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Michael Jackson

Fri Jun 10, 2005 3:30 pm

Any body care about the verdict? I think he's probably going to jail, he's done too much. Have you noticed he's not wearing pajamas to court anymore?
 
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RE: Michael Jackson

Fri Jun 10, 2005 3:33 pm

Albino Boy and his clever hand from Neverland are gonna trade in animals and ferris wheels for orange shirts and bars. 'Nuf said.
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RE: Michael Jackson

Fri Jun 10, 2005 3:45 pm

I predict that he's going to walk away from this with no jail time.

I think the jury is going to have a tough time convicting him "beyond a shadow of a doubt". His attorneys were pretty effective and creating doubt.

The conspiracy charge will certainly go away.

As for the molestation, the judge can waive any jail time in the event of a guilty verdict if MJ intends to appeal.


(This only expresses what I THINK may happen - not what I believe regarding his guilt or innocence.)
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RE: Michael Jackson

Fri Jun 10, 2005 6:02 pm

Not sure what I should hope in this case, seems a choose between two bads.

If he's convicted, he probably won't live to sit out his jail sentence.
If he's not convicted, I hope at least he will get a supervisor or counselors who takes care he can never get that close with children anymore.
Anyway, his career is ended as least as tragically as Elvis Presleys. I wonder why so many superstars f*cked their lives up by the time they are 40 and others (Sinatra, Cliff Richard, the Rolling Stones) stay well and healthy til they're at least 75.
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RE: Michael Jackson

Fri Jun 10, 2005 6:33 pm

I think there will be a mistrial due to a hung jury.

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RE: Michael Jackson

Fri Jun 10, 2005 6:54 pm

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 4):
I think there will be a mistrial due to a hung jury.

What's the procedure in the US when this happens? Does it always go to another trial or do they sometimes let it lie on file?
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RE: Michael Jackson

Fri Jun 10, 2005 6:54 pm

A Mistrial will kill him just as quickly as a Jail term.
As he will have to do it all over again and look at the mess he is in now.

His finances are a wreck he is going to sell Neverland M&M wants it for his daughter.

If he still has the Beatles back catalogue that will most likely go and wacko will end up on Skid Row!
 
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RE: Michael Jackson

Fri Jun 10, 2005 7:12 pm

my guess is, if letting him go free was a possibility from the start, the trial wouldn't be so thorough so long and so mediatised. on the other hand, they have nothing concrete neither, so my guess is he will be found guilty on the light charges and innocent on the others, pushing him to jail for something like 6 months to 2 years max. After that period, everybody will be happy.

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RE: Michael Jackson

Fri Jun 10, 2005 9:10 pm

Quoting Diamond (Reply 2):
I think the jury is going to have a tough time convicting him "beyond a shadow of a doubt". His attorneys were pretty effective and creating doubt.

The fact they have spent almost a week on it so far is VERY intersting, add to that the fact they had a 'short day' yesterday, and I'll go dimes to dollars we are looking at a hung Jury/mistrial on some counts. They will probably convict on the 'giving alcohol to a minor' charge and that will be enough to put him in jail/house arrest for now.
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RE: Michael Jackson

Fri Jun 10, 2005 9:35 pm

My problem with the entire issue, is that although I think he is guilty, he does not believe that he has done anything wrong, and that is very sad.

Look, I'm 43 (ouch that hurt to say that) and a gay man. If I invited the little neighbor boy over, showed him soft core porn, gave him "jesus juice" and shared my bed with him, I'd be in Jackson Prison (no pun intended, but that's the name of the state prison in Jackson, Michigan) faster than I could say Judy Garland.

The guys got issues and more money than god....which will win?
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RE: Michael Jackson

Fri Jun 10, 2005 10:42 pm

What I don't understand is why no one is calling for the kid's mother to be put in jail.
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RE: Michael Jackson

Fri Jun 10, 2005 10:44 pm

Quoting TWFirst (Reply 10):
What I don't understand is why no one is calling for the kid's mother to be put in jail.

That is the big question....why hasn't she been approached by DCFS?
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RE: Michael Jackson

Sat Jun 11, 2005 1:58 am

Though I personally think he's guilty, I think he'll get away from the most serious charges against him. The prosecution didn't do a good job of making their case.
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RE: Michael Jackson

Sat Jun 11, 2005 2:07 am

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 3):
and others (Sinatra, Cliff Richard, the Rolling Stones) stay well and healthy til they're at least 75.

Thank you.

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RE: Michael Jackson

Sat Jun 11, 2005 2:17 am

I'm willing to put money on a not guilty verdict. So, all the anticipation and speculation is just pointless because everyone knows he will NOT be serving any time. Oh and as for the news media, it is truly sad that they have these 24 hour reports on what is going on yet there is NOTHING to report on so they just sit there and speculate...sad sad sad.
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RE: Michael Jackson

Sat Jun 11, 2005 2:19 am

Even though I think that MJ is guilty and that he should go to prison, I think he is going to get off... If it is taking the jury 7+ days to come up with a vedict, that's almost never a good thing for the prosecution...
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RE: Michael Jackson

Sat Jun 11, 2005 2:28 am

I would not label Michael Jackson as a child molester. I do not think he molested a boy but he did spend a lot of his time with small boys, too many of them. lol. That is what he likes. No one knows for sure what he did do with the boys, only Michael Jackson and "his" boys.
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RE: Michael Jackson

Sat Jun 11, 2005 2:35 am

the fact about michael jackson is that hes a 40 year old man. i was explaining it to friends at school and i said its like your dad sleeping with your mate its not right and its not acceptable. the thing about this trial is that people want to make him poor and suffer like everyone else in the world
its a word vs word case and should be chucked out of court for lack of evidence as there isnt any evidence. michael should admit sleeping with boys is wrong and let it be and let him do what he does best and sing
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RE: Michael Jackson

Sat Jun 11, 2005 2:36 am

What ever comes out of this, I really hope that Michael Jackson gets some mental help. Just look at him. As strange as he looks on the outside, just imagine what's going on in the inside.

I think he needs mental help more than anything.

I am not legal expert but is it possible that he could be found guilty yet get a light sentence without any jail time?
There have been case of people being convicted for murder and get a small fine of $500.
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RE: Michael Jackson

Sat Jun 11, 2005 2:57 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 18):
What ever comes out of this, I really hope that Michael Jackson gets some mental help. Just look at him. As strange as he looks on the outside, just imagine what's going on in the inside.

I think he needs mental help more than anything.

 checkmark 

This is EXACTLY what needs to happen. The man definitely has some serious mental health issues that should be addressed first. But..That does not make him any less of a predator, and pedophile. If you guys deny that...you are sticking your head in the sand. He has all the qualities and characteristics of a child molester. Period. Lets hope he gets the help he needs. Who knows..maybe he can come back agian after he has done his due time.
 
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RE: Michael Jackson

Sat Jun 11, 2005 3:01 am

I do hate it when I read people terming acquittal verdicts as the accused "getting off". It's an automatic assumption that someone is guilty just because they're charged, and that they've got away with it. How on earth can anyone who hasn't been in court definitively say he's guilty? Not guilty means not guilty, and if that's what comes out, then you have to accept it for what it is. I know it's idealistic, but there we are. Otherwise the implication is that the jury are stupid.
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TAM1079
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RE: Michael Jackson

Sat Jun 11, 2005 3:07 am

Quoting Banco (Reply 20):
Otherwise the implication is that the jury are stupid.

Well....you said it...  flamed 
 
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RE: Michael Jackson

Sat Jun 11, 2005 3:11 am

Quoting TAM1079 (Reply 21):
Well....you said it...

Your compatriots, not mine.  Wink
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RE: Michael Jackson

Sat Jun 11, 2005 3:13 am

Quoting TAM1079 (Reply 19):
But..That does not make him any less of a predator, and pedophile. If you guys deny that...you are sticking your head in the sand.

Agreed.

Quoting TAM1079 (Reply 19):
He has all the qualities and characteristics of a child molester.

Is he a Trekkie? Big grin
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Quoting TAM1079 (Reply 19):
Who knows..maybe he can come back agian after he has done his due time.

I don't know man. I have his last two albums and I think it's time for him to hang it up.  Silly
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RE: Michael Jackson

Sat Jun 11, 2005 3:41 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 23):
Is he a Trekkie?

He IS strange enough...so that added to the rest of the weirdness wouldn't surprise me.  scratchchin 

Quoting Superfly (Reply 23):
I don't know man. I have his last two albums and I think it's time for him to hang it up

Who knows...with all this stress of the trail, it could be a creative outlet for him. Maybe his best work ever...  liar 
Otherwise..hes just gonna go  bouncy  right back to little boys. It will just be another cycle if he gets off. Maybe part of the mental health work would be creating another album. Come back as super star...probably not, but maybe as a has been. Hasn't Cher been retiring for years now? He could pull a Celine, and have his own show in vegas for decades to come?!?!? Just in idea..
 
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RE: Michael Jackson

Sat Jun 11, 2005 3:46 am

One of two things could happen in my mind...

One, he'll be found not guilty, because the Jury can't believe a word the mother has said thus far.

Two, he'll be found guilty, but given zero prison time because of who he is, and how bad his health is. At least how bad he wants us to think his health is. I think Jackson milks his "health issues" as far as he thinks he can take them. His frequent trips to the hospital during this trial have been well timed, and very well covered by the media. Just think how OJ would have looked if he was taken to the hospital because he "had a severe panic attack over the stress of losing his wife". He would have walked away the true victim in that case. Michael Jackson has always done a good job of trying to make everyone feel bad for him. He always finds a convinient time to say how hard his childhood was, or how he was beaten or molested by his dad. He truely thinks men and boys should share a bed together every night. He's a messed up person. He does need serious help to try and figure out why he thinks it's ok for men and boys to sleep together every night.
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RE: Michael Jackson

Sat Jun 11, 2005 3:56 am

TAM1079:
I don't think he can make the same kind of comeback as those you've mentioned.
Child molestation is the worse thing someone can be accused of. There is no honor in it what so ever. As sick as it may sound, even murderers get more respect (depending on who & why they killed) in certain circles and certainly in prison. When you start inflicting harm on children that is when you are the sickest for of life on the planet.

I am really hoping that none of this happened. Part of me really hopes that Michael Jackson is being extorted out of cash by some lunatic mother who has a lottery mentality.
However, Michael Jackson is weird which can open him up to lots of unwanted criticism.
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RE: Michael Jackson

Sat Jun 11, 2005 4:06 am

The Freak should be locked up in a zoo.
But,like OJ,MJ has enough money to cheat justice..
 
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RE: Michael Jackson

Sat Jun 11, 2005 4:08 am

Quoting Biggles (Reply 27):
The Freak should be locked up in a zoo.

Nah, he'll have access to young boys at the zoo.  Smile
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TAM1079
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RE: Michael Jackson

Sat Jun 11, 2005 4:11 am

Superfly,

Its just all wishful thinking on my part. I personally think he is guilty as sin, and definitely won't make a comeback. This touches close to home for me. One of my bestfriends in HS was being molested by some old guy. While he wouldn't admit it, his bestfriend and I both knew better. So we went online and created a fake SN, and basically caught this guy red handed. He even sent us pics of our friend. So..we kept it up until we got enough evidence to show our friend that he was being played. He didn't want to believe it. So we took it to the FBI, and now...the old guy is boyfriends with Bruno in prison. My point is though...reading thru all the stuff of Jackson, and then what my friend went through. The similarities are very striking in how Jacko and this old guy went about getting the young men. The tactics are almost identical.
Now..I do have some sympathy for jacko...he has had a very bad childhood, and that certainly contributed to this. Not completely, but he does need to be held accountable. If he is found guilty, I don't think he should go to jail jail...he would be snuffed out pretty quick...regardless of security efforts, and being confined. When there is a will...theres a way...
He should be locked up in a Mental Health facility, that would do him, and society more good in the long run. He doesn't fully realize what he is doing is wrong, the guy in my case very well DID know what he was doing.

Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 17):
the fact about michael jackson is that he's a 40 year old man. i was explaining it to friends at school and i said its like your dad sleeping with your mate its not right and its not acceptable

For me..its this simple. Its not acceptable. If you ever saw a normal 40yr old male walking around holding hands with a 10-15yr old boy, the MAJORITY of people are gonna raise their eyebrows, and say something. Its just flat out wrong, but people want to think "Its just Jackos weirdness". Regardless of weirdness,there is laws in place to protect against this. Now lets hope justice really does happen in this case.

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RE: Michael Jackson

Sat Jun 11, 2005 4:19 am

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 3):
Anyway, his career is ended as least as tragically as Elvis Presleys.

In N.America, yes, as it's long-since been.... the dude can still sell big in Europe and Asia though, as recent attempts have shown.

Quoting TWFirst (Reply 10):
What I don't understand is why no one is calling for the kid's mother to be put in jail.

Gloria Allred did, but then again, she also called for MJ's children to be removed-- so probably just playing Double Devil's Advocate to once again get her name out.

Here's the thing with this though, and I believe (and hope the jury does as well) it to be a huge flaw in the Defense's case:
...their strategy has been to show that this kid has an irresponsible mother who used him as bait to get money from a rich man, therefore MJ must be innocent.

Reality Check-- this kid's mother obviously ain't gonna win the June Cleaver award, and yes he comes from a disfunctional background riddled with questionable actions on her account. But even taking that as granted: THE FACT THAT THE KID HAS A SH!TTY (IF NOT CRIMINAL) MOTHER DOES NOT EXONERATE ANY POTENTIAL SEXUAL MISCONDUCT BY MICHAEL JACKSON!

Basically, what I'm saying is:
even if she stripped her kid butt-ass naked, tied him to the bed, and put on tapes of Barney set to a sleazy 1970s rhythm-- if Michael Jackson decided to take that bait, he should be found guilty.


Quoting CORULEZ05 (Reply 14):
because everyone knows he will NOT be serving any time

...detail this "everyone" and explain exactly how they "know".

There'll be a public outcry not heard in the decade since OJ if MJ is found guilty and does no time in some sort (be it mental or criminal) lockdown.
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RE: Michael Jackson

Sat Jun 11, 2005 4:27 am

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 30):
Basically, what I'm saying is:
even if she stripped her kid butt-ass naked, tied him to the bed, and put on tapes of Barney set to a sleazy 1970s rhythm-- if Michael Jackson decided to take that bait, he should be found guilty.

BWAHAHAHAHA  rotfl  rotfl  rotfl  rotfl 

Hillarious!!! I can just hear the rythm now. And Barney? OUCH...thats so wrong its beautiful!
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RE: Michael Jackson

Sat Jun 11, 2005 4:32 am

What I wonder is how they found enough "impartial" jury members for this. Everyone HAS to have had some opinion on it, one way or another.. Same with OJ trial or whatever..

I hope he rots in prison..

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RE: Michael Jackson

Sat Jun 11, 2005 4:34 am

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 30):
Reality Check-- this kid's mother obviously ain't gonna win the June Cleaver award, and yes he comes from a disfunctional background riddled with questionable actions on her account. But even taking that as granted: THE FACT THAT THE KID HAS A SH!TTY (IF NOT CRIMINAL) MOTHER DOES NOT EXONERATE ANY POTENTIAL SEXUAL MISCONDUCT BY MICHAEL JACKSON!

Basically, what I'm saying is:
even if she stripped her kid butt-ass naked, tied him to the bed, and put on tapes of Barney set to a sleazy 1970s rhythm-- if Michael Jackson decided to take that bait, he should be found guilty.

BUT... that's not the way our system of justice works. The defense did a great job of questioning the credibility and honesty of both the mother and the bratty victim.... YES, that doesn't mean Michael didn't do it... BUT, it's enough to cast reasonable doubt.

Quite frankly, I'm not entirely convinced Michael is a child molester... I certainly wouldn't be surprised if he is... but I do believe it's entirely possible he's just a head case who thinks he's 12.
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RE: Michael Jackson

Sat Jun 11, 2005 4:38 am

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 32):
someone's been watching a lil' too much Family Guy, no?

Me....nah. I just love little boys who get off on world domination.  silly  stirthepot 

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RE: Michael Jackson

Sat Jun 11, 2005 4:49 am

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 30):
set to a sleazy 1970s rhythm

HEY WATCH IT!
the 70s was the greatest time ever!  Smile




TAM1079:
Excellent post and I agree 100%.
I hope your frined managed to recover and live a normal life
(What ever normal means).
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TAM1079
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RE: Michael Jackson

Sat Jun 11, 2005 5:07 am

Thanks Fly,
Yeah..hes cool now. Took him a bit to get over it. But hes pretty "normal" now. Hes rather eccentric...but back to normal eccentric.
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Quoting Superfly (Reply 36):
the 70s was the greatest time ever!

I agree...I was born on the tail end of the 70s. But some GUUUUD music was made in the 70s. Im grooving to some Donny Hathaway right now. His remake of "Whats Going On".
 
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RE: Michael Jackson

Sat Jun 11, 2005 5:19 am

Quoting TAM1079 (Reply 19):
Lets hope he gets the help he needs.

If you don't think you need help, then getting help will not benefit you. It would be a waste of money and time.

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