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Hard Drive Near Full = Computer Acting Weird?

Fri Jun 17, 2005 7:47 am

Hi all...

Lately Ive been getting the blue screen of death on my computer a lot (never had it before until about 3 days ago, and Ive had this computer nearly 2 years), and so I went and checked how much room I had in my hard drive and was shocked to see that it was less than 1 GB (my hard drive is about 40 GB or so)...is this why my computer's been so fussy lately?

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RE: Hard Drive Near Full = Computer Acting Weird?

Fri Jun 17, 2005 7:50 am

Probably. Do you have a way to perform system cleanup?
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RE: Hard Drive Near Full = Computer Acting Weird?

Fri Jun 17, 2005 7:58 am

Well I just went through and deleted off about 8 GB worth of crap...so that's a start...
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RE: Hard Drive Near Full = Computer Acting Weird?

Fri Jun 17, 2005 8:10 am

Only 40GB? That is oldskool.  Wink

If you have room in your case, just buy another hard drive, they are really cheap these days. Or, you could delete all that porn, either way would work. Big grin
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RE: Hard Drive Near Full = Computer Acting Weird?

Fri Jun 17, 2005 8:12 am

Under 1GB should not cause the Blue Screen of Death. There is no logic behind that, anything that would cause it should not be triggered by under 1 GB being available, as far as I know.

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Fri Jun 17, 2005 8:13 am

Quoting USAFHummer (Reply 2):
Well I just went through and deleted off about 8 GB worth of crap...so that's a start...

Very good.
Hard drives USUALLY want at LEAST 10% of their space to be 'free'.

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RE: Hard Drive Near Full = Computer Acting Weird?

Fri Jun 17, 2005 8:16 am

Quoting F9Widebody (Reply 4):
Under 1GB should not cause the Blue Screen of Death. There is no logic behind that, anything that would cause it should not be triggered by under 1 GB being available, as far as I know.

Do you not know what a page file is?
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RE: Hard Drive Near Full = Computer Acting Weird?

Fri Jun 17, 2005 9:30 am

Quoting F9Widebody (Reply 4):
There is no logic behind that

There's no logic behind Windows either  Wink

Windows = Crap = Endless computer troubles.
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Fri Jun 17, 2005 9:52 am

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 7):
Windows = Crap = Endless computer troubles.

And your alternative is? MacCrack..looks Like It Will Be A "...ux" World.. (by TedTAce Jun 17 2005 in Non Aviation)
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Fri Jun 17, 2005 12:34 pm

probably wants to be deshaged, I mean defragged as well.
 
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RE: Hard Drive Near Full = Computer Acting Weird?

Fri Jun 17, 2005 12:46 pm

You should install a new hard drive of much larger size if have the space in the case while still retaining the original, and transfer some or all of the data to the new one. You could find an 80GB drive for well less than $ 70 at CompUSA, Staples, other stores - watch for ads, rebate deals. 120/160 GB drives are maybe $100-125? Go to computer sites for info on how to do that (PCWorld.com, other sites) or their shopping helper connections for who might have a real good deal on drives.
 
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RE: Hard Drive Near Full = Computer Acting Weird?

Fri Jun 17, 2005 12:51 pm

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 6):
Do you not know what a page file is?

Since you mentioned it, I did some reading on it. Interesting to learn about, but correct me if I am wrong, while low HD space could cause a decrease in performance, it still should not cause a Blue Screen of death, which is often a substantially more serious issue than simply running low on RAM.

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RE: Hard Drive Near Full = Computer Acting Weird?

Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:42 pm

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 10):
You should install a new hard drive of much larger size if have the space in the case while still retaining the original, and transfer some or all of the data to the new one. You could find an 80GB drive for well less than $ 70 at CompUSA, Staples, other stores - watch for ads, rebate deals. 120/160 GB drives are maybe $100-125? Go to computer sites for info on how to do that (PCWorld.com, other sites) or their shopping helper connections for who might have a real good deal on drives.

It's a laptop, does that affect things regarding the above?

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Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:53 pm

Sorry, didn't know it was a laptop. Then the best bet is to get an external hard drive. Just checked a Circuit City ad for this week and they have a Western Digital External 120GB USB2.0 Dual Option Backup hard Drive - $69.99 after $60 in 2 mail in rebates.
 
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RE: Hard Drive Near Full = Computer Acting Weird?

Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:56 pm

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 13):
Sorry, didn't know it was a laptop.

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RE: Hard Drive Near Full = Computer Acting Weird?

Fri Jun 17, 2005 2:06 pm

Get rid of your porn, that will free up about half.

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RE: Hard Drive Near Full = Computer Acting Weird?

Fri Jun 17, 2005 2:18 pm

Oh yes it can.

Believe it or not, my mother's computer at home still has the classic Qantum Fireball 3.2GB HD, and it causes problems from being full, even though the D: drive has 700-800 MB free, because C: is choked up.
 
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RE: Hard Drive Near Full = Computer Acting Weird?

Fri Jun 17, 2005 3:28 pm

Well to start, download a Adware remover like Ad-Aware or Spybot and run that. That should certainly speed your computer up.
Then run a scan disk, then Disk Cleanup, then Disk Defragmenter. After all this download Mozilla Firefox and Thunderbird as replacements for Internet Explorer and Outlook Express.
Your problems should be solved for quite some time.
What type processor is in your laptop and how much RAM do you have?
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RE: Hard Drive Near Full = Computer Acting Weird?

Fri Jun 17, 2005 5:42 pm

Hello,

Blue Screens are usually caused when the operating system is corrupt or there is a hardware issue (RAM). There might be a clue in the blue screen as to what the error could be if you decipher the "error number".

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RE: Hard Drive Near Full = Computer Acting Weird?

Fri Jun 17, 2005 7:28 pm

UnInstall Unwanted Stuff.[What worth of 39GB you've got there]
Get a Bigger HDD or an Additional one.
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RE: Hard Drive Near Full = Computer Acting Weird?

Fri Jun 17, 2005 9:36 pm

Resource starvation is always the toughest test of any system especially when the system is running out of memory.

And when there´s not enough space on disk to expand virtual memory (the ominous "page files") the system may get into trouble. Even MacOS X doesn´t like that very much and can get more bitchy than it should.

It is very demanding to make a modern multitasking system handle memory starvation gracefully; And a minor problem in a single obscure mechanism anywhere in the depths of the system can be enough to give you trouble.

So it´s generally a good idea to keep several gigabytes of disk space available on your swap partition (which is usually your startup disk on most systems) for situations where the OS may need to expand virtual memory.

Many mechanisms and applications also use temporary files and may not appreciate a lack of space to create those as well. In most cases, they will also use the startup disk.

There is no actual "percentage" of free space to be observed, and the harddisk itself couldn´t care less if it´s filled to the brim. It´s also not a problem for disks or partitions used for data storage only.

How much space you need to keep free depends on the maximum amount of virtual memory you´ll need (check your system resource usage during a "big session" with multiple applications open etc.) and on the size of temporary files that may be generated during use.
 
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RE: Hard Drive Near Full = Computer Acting Weird?

Fri Jun 17, 2005 10:24 pm

The Recycle bin is usually set up to reserve 10% of the hard drive space. Right click on it and choose properties. Change the setting to 2%.

Temporary Internet Explorer files usually reside on the C: drive. Go to Tools/ Internet Options/Temporary Internet files/settings and change them to the other hard drive (if your laptop has another hard drive).

And so on.

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Fri Jun 17, 2005 10:36 pm

When we bought this computer about 2 years ago and got a 120Gb hard drive, noone could believe us. The sales person was shocked, and when I bought a tv card for it and was asking about recording on it, he said that i needed at least a 40Gb drive for that. I said I had 120Gb and he went, ok, that will do, and laughed.

Last month, we bought an additional 250Gb drive for it. This is the media drive, so that we have space for other things on the c:drive. But it was cheap, 100 bucks or something. And we also have 2 USB drives, 40Gb and 80Gb just incase we need a boost at any time, but these are mainly used with the laptop.

DOes anyone know what utility I need to run to give breakup of what is on the disk, ie 40% is program files, 3% is word, 4% excel, etc. I ran it before on another computer and cannot remember what it is.
 
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RE: Hard Drive Near Full = Computer Acting Weird?

Fri Jun 17, 2005 10:43 pm

Quoting Wunala (Reply 22):
DOes anyone know what utility I need to run to give breakup of what is on the disk, ie 40% is program files, 3% is word, 4% excel, etc. I ran it before on another computer and cannot remember what it is.

Partition Magic

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RE: Hard Drive Near Full = Computer Acting Weird?

Fri Jun 17, 2005 10:49 pm

Thanks Nick, I'll try it.

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RE: Hard Drive Near Full = Computer Acting Weird?

Fri Jun 17, 2005 11:17 pm

@Wunala

Maybe I misunderstood you. Partition Magic can create different partitions. Upon re-reading your post it seems as if you are looking for a program which gives you a statistic? There is a program out there, called Space Monger, which gives you a graphical overview of where your biggest space hoggers are.

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RE: Hard Drive Near Full = Computer Acting Weird?

Fri Jun 17, 2005 11:44 pm

I did wonder, but I was waiting until my residential techy returned from the UK. I am running Spacemonger at the minute. I'll let u know what happens.
 
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RE: Hard Drive Near Full = Computer Acting Weird?

Sat Jun 18, 2005 7:15 am

Quoting F9Widebody (Reply 11):
it still should not cause a Blue Screen of death, which is often a substantially more serious issue than simply running low on RAM.

Well it's not just a ram issue if the hard drive is almost full now isn't it? BSOD means the OS tried to tell the hardware to do something and the hardware basically said "F U". Doesn't mean either were at fault per-say.

Quoting USAFHummer (Reply 12):
It's a laptop, does that affect things regarding the above?

Prices are a bit steeper with laptops, that's why I recomended USB if your laptop has USB 2.0 ports. No price change regardless of what you are hooking it up too and it's the EASIEST way to add space w/out being a rocket scientest.

Quoting Type-Rated (Reply 17):
Thunderbird as replacements for Internet Explorer and Outlook Express.
Your problems should be solved for quite some time.
What type processor is in your laptop and how much RAM do you have?

Typical HACK troubleshooting... yeah do this, do that, do the other thing... OHHH by the way 'what about.....'
Just because you use Firefox doesn't make you a cool tech..

Quoting Beowulf (Reply 18):
Blue Screens are usually caused when the operating system is corrupt or there is a hardware issue (RAM). There might be a clue in the blue screen as to what the error could be if you decipher the "error number".

BSOD's Sometimes are hard to copy all the errors, but I have yet to look up a hex code and not find SOMETHING.

By the way, Longhorn says good by to the Blue, it's either Red or Black from what I have heard.
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RE: Hard Drive Near Full = Computer Acting Weird?

Sat Jun 18, 2005 7:53 am

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 27):
Typical HACK troubleshooting... yeah do this, do that, do the other thing... OHHH by the way 'what about.....'
Just because you use Firefox doesn't make you a cool tech..

A bit touchy, aren't we today?
I was trying to be helpful and offered an orderly method to try to resolve some of these problems. Many people do absolutely NO maintenance on their systems and many have no idea what adware can do to the performance of their system. Since I started using Firefox, I have had NO problems with adware at all.
It's also a well known fact that users who regularly utilize a regular maintenance utility regimen on their computer have less problems to begin with.

Did I even say I was a tech?

I really get off to your know it all, typical low level tech attitude. Don't investigate the why's of the problem, just throw more money at it. (New Hard Disk)
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Sat Jun 18, 2005 7:59 am

TedTAce further proves why companies are more than happy to outsource their tech support... The techs are grouchy jerks.
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RE: Hard Drive Near Full = Computer Acting Weird?

Sat Jun 18, 2005 8:48 am

Quoting Type-Rated (Reply 28):
Did I even say I was a tech?

For the impression you SEEMED to be making I guessed wrong, for that I am HONESTLY sorry I jumped on you for that...

Quoting Type-Rated (Reply 28):
I really get off to your know it all, typical low level tech attitude. Don't investigate the why's of the problem, just throw more money at it. (New Hard Disk)

Let's see what transpired before I replied:

Quoting USAFHummer (Reply 2):
Well I just went through and deleted off about 8 GB worth of crap...so that's a start...



Quoting Jutes85 (Reply 3):
Only 40GB? That is oldskool.

Humm seems like a good reason to suggest an upgrade to me. I didn't mention it in this thread, but I did in another... Effectively with all that one 'commonly does' these days with anything better then a modem as 'par' for the course, 40 GB is not a good place to keep your OS , AND your fun files. Let's not forget if you get a 200 GB drive and partition it to 160ish and 40ish (don't hit my with the #'s semantics) you have 160 GB for your 'crap' and a great Backup to disk folder to put your c: info on. What is 'bad' about that?

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 29):
TedTAce further proves why companies are more than happy to outsource their tech support... The techs are grouchy jerks.

Only when amateurs (not saying Jutes85, because he didn't claim to be a tech) try to 'fix it', deny doing anything wrong, then expect us to fix their problems IMMEDIATELY because they think they are 'God's gift' to the company.
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