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6 In 10 Americans Oppose The War In Iraq

Wed Jun 22, 2005 7:07 am

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/06/20/poll/index.html

Since my last thread on this was deleted for a reference to a certain Member (the reference was totally un-called for and deserved to be deleted) here it is again without the reference.


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RE: 6 In 10 Americans Oppose The War In Iraq

Wed Jun 22, 2005 7:22 am

On a related note, 4 out of 10 americans are stupid.  duck 
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RE: 6 In 10 Americans Oppose The War In Iraq

Wed Jun 22, 2005 7:31 am

OK so what do those 6/10 propose doing? And "not getting into this stupid war in the first place" is not really an option fyi.
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RE: 6 In 10 Americans Oppose The War In Iraq

Wed Jun 22, 2005 7:33 am

Quoting Flyingbronco05 (Reply 1):
On a related note, 4 out of 10 americans are stupid.

Only 4?  Wink

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RE: 6 In 10 Americans Oppose The War In Iraq

Wed Jun 22, 2005 7:35 am

Is this really supposed to be news? It's pretty obvious the war is a very negative subject in the U.S. It almost brought Bush a loss in the elections, and everyone agrees we need to get out of there. But I'd like to know how they suggest we do it.

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RE: 6 In 10 Americans Oppose The War In Iraq

Wed Jun 22, 2005 7:37 am

So what do they propose we do about it? Un-invade?
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RE: 6 In 10 Americans Oppose The War In Iraq

Wed Jun 22, 2005 8:00 am

OK so what do those 6/10 propose doing? And "not getting into this stupid war in the first place" is not really an option fyi.

I guess you'll have to wait for the next pointless poll asking people which of the following answers are appropriate:

A. Get out of Iraq.
B. Stay in Iraq.
C. We should never have gone there in the first place.
D. Bush is an idiot.
E. Bush is not an idiot, and Kerry also voted for the war - so don't blame Bush. But we still don't know what to do.
F. I don't know what war you're talking about - the only news I follow is Entertainment Tonight.
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RE: 6 In 10 Americans Oppose The War In Iraq

Wed Jun 22, 2005 8:48 am

Quoting Flyingbronco05 (Reply 1):
On a related note, 4 out of 10 americans are stupid.

ROFL!
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RE: 6 In 10 Americans Oppose The War In Iraq

Wed Jun 22, 2005 8:59 am

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 5):
So what do they propose we do about it? Un-invade?

As you well know we can't uninvade at this point, I realize you weren't seriously suggesting it. Cutting and running at this time would be a certain disaster for Iraq as they would likely be overrun by insurgents just to prove we failed.

However, we can not go on indefinitely losing Americans and getting bombed day after day, some new ideas need to be discussed not just the same old "stay the course" crap - how about something like:
-Set a goal of some sort. Not a timeline - a goal such as rooting out the insurgency (instead of insisting it's in its "last throes") and training XXX,XXX (whatever) amount of Iraqis, then we leave.
-Take more offensive action to wipe out the insurgency. We have the best military in the world, I can't believe over 2 years into this thing and the insurgents are still running around rampant.
-If #2 means more troops, then lets get more troops over there. I happen to know for a fact, despite what he says on TV, Gen Tommy Franks was very upset with the number of troops he got from the beginning. Also, it would seem, the former Army Chief of Staff - Shinsheki - was not "mistaken" when he claimed the occupation of Iraq would take hundreds of thousands in order to secure the country.

It's not a popular war and I personally think some questions need to be asked about how we got there under incorrect (or false) pretenses, why the planning seems so awful, and why it has progressed so poorly for so long. However, we can't leave - our image in the world would be that much worse and Iraq would be in chaos. We have to fix what we broke, like it or not - that's my  twocents !
 
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RE: 6 In 10 Americans Oppose The War In Iraq

Wed Jun 22, 2005 9:03 am

Quoting Flyingbronco05 (Reply 1):
On a related note, 4 out of 10 americans are stupid.

I think it's more like 8/10...
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RE: 6 In 10 Americans Oppose The War In Iraq

Wed Jun 22, 2005 11:49 am

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 10):
I think it's more like 8/10...

Really...i didn't realize there were that many Democrats in the country.
 
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RE: 6 In 10 Americans Oppose The War In Iraq

Wed Jun 22, 2005 12:08 pm

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 10):
I think it's more like 8/10...

Then you included yourself, Adam and Superfly? Don't include Thomas as he isn't American.
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RE: 6 In 10 Americans Oppose The War In Iraq

Wed Jun 22, 2005 1:56 pm

hard to belive that there are still so many peoples left that it is the correct way what is the us doing in iraq.
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RE: 6 In 10 Americans Oppose The War In Iraq

Wed Jun 22, 2005 2:05 pm

Quoting Flyingbronco05 (Reply 1):
On a related note, 4 out of 10 americans are stupid

LOL!

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 5):
So what do they propose we do about it? Un-invade?

Leaving now would create even more disaster than what it is now, and no, I don't have a solution, however, one step could be to begin admiting that it was a mistake to start the war and that it was done under poor intel (or should I say lies?)
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RE: 6 In 10 Americans Oppose The War In Iraq

Wed Jun 22, 2005 2:13 pm

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 14):
Leaving now would create even more disaster than what it is now, and no, I don't have a solution, however, one step could be to begin admiting that it was a mistake to start the war and that it was done under poor intel (or should I say lies?)

So who are the stupid ones? The 4/10 who want to carry out the mission in Iraq? Or the 6/10 who (half of them) originally supported the war in the first place! It's easy to change your opinion after things start to go downhill. The fact remains, these people supported the war, many democrats supported the war, and now that things haven't turned out as planned, they've simply 'changed their minds' and decided to blame the administration.
 
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RE: 6 In 10 Americans Oppose The War In Iraq

Wed Jun 22, 2005 2:19 pm

Quoting Basas (Reply 15):
The fact remains, these people supported the war, many democrats supported the war, and now that things haven't turned out as planned, they've simply 'changed their minds' and decided to blame the administration.

Yes Basas, I agree with you, but i think it's more than simply "changing their minds". It's many people admiting that a mistake was made. However a few don't admit it was a mistake and are still justifying a war that we now know was a complete screw up based on dodgy info. Admitting a mistake shows integrity.
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RE: 6 In 10 Americans Oppose The War In Iraq

Wed Jun 22, 2005 2:27 pm

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 16):
Yes Basas, I agree with you, but i think it's more than simply "changing their minds". It's many people admiting that a mistake was made. However a few don't admit it was a mistake and are still justifying a war that we now know was a complete screw up based on dodgy info. Admitting a mistake shows integrity.

True, but it is still wrong to say the war was a complete waste. Iraq is better without Saddam, and the Middle East will be a safer region with a free, and liberated Iraq. Was Iraq the great threat that we thought it was? Perhaps not, but that doesn't mean this war has been a complete failure. We've won against the terrorists on many levels.
 
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RE: 6 In 10 Americans Oppose The War In Iraq

Wed Jun 22, 2005 2:34 pm

Quoting Basas (Reply 17):
Iraq is better without Saddam, and the Middle East will be a safer region with a free, and liberated Iraq

I used to think that as well, now I'm not so sure. The place is a mess, hundreds killed each month. I don't see that as "safer" for the region.

Quoting Basas (Reply 17):
Was Iraq the great threat that we thought it was? Perhaps not, but that doesn't mean this war has been a complete failure. We've won against the terrorists on many levels.

How has it not been a complete failure? What positive has turned out from it (not from the Iraqi view, but for the US, what has the US achieved with this war regarding the war on terror)? And I think this war is actually creating more terrorists than destroying them.
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RE: 6 In 10 Americans Oppose The War In Iraq

Wed Jun 22, 2005 2:41 pm

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 18):
I used to think that as well, now I'm not so sure. The place is a mess, hundreds killed each month. I don't see that as "safer" for the region.

Really, it will depend if stability can be achieved in the coming months, if not years. If, and when Iraq is a free democracy, without bombings daily, we will know that it is indeed safer than Saddam-Iraq.

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 18):
How has it not been a complete failure? What positive has turned out from it (not from the Iraqi view, but for the US, what has the US achieved with this war regarding the war on terror)? And I think this war is actually creating more terrorists than destroying them.

The positive from the American standpoint is obviously on the fight against terror. Whether or not Iraq was a threat, the point is that threats must, and will be taken seriously and must be dealt with before materializing. Think of the outlast against Bush and the administration if Iraq was indeed involved in terrorist activities, something happened, and the Bush administration didn't do anything about it. Sometimes, you have to take risks. This time, it turned out Iraq was not as big a threat as intelligence suggested. That doesn't mean it wasn't a risk worth taking to protect the homeland, and overall, improve peace throughout the Middle-East.
 
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RE: 6 In 10 Americans Oppose The War In Iraq

Wed Jun 22, 2005 2:52 pm

Quoting Basas (Reply 19):
Really, it will depend if stability can be achieved in the coming months, if not years. If, and when Iraq is a free democracy, without bombings daily, we will know that it is indeed safer than Saddam-Iraq.

True, but things don't look too good. The thing I have a problem is with Iraq being a free democracy, in the sense that obviously it is a positive thing, yet it is hard for it to work because it was imposed. Democarcies were mostly created, for a lack of a better word, naturally, without foreign forces forcing it on them. Argentina, Chile, Spain, Russia, UK, France ... etc. I guess, as you have correctly said, we'll have to wait and see.

Quoting Basas (Reply 19):
Whether or not Iraq was a threat, the point is that threats must, and will be taken seriously and must be dealt with before materializing.

There are far bigger threats that we, the average people know of (N.Korea, Saudi Arabia, for example), yet they went for Saddam. Why this threat and not the other? Besides, with what we know now, and they knew then, Iraq was not a threat, so why go after Saddam? Do you honestly believe it was to fight terrorists?

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 18):
And I think this war is actually creating more terrorists than destroying them.

Now this is a problem!
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RE: 6 In 10 Americans Oppose The War In Iraq

Wed Jun 22, 2005 3:04 pm

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 20):
True, but things don't look too good. The thing I have a problem is with Iraq being a free democracy, in the sense that obviously it is a positive thing, yet it is hard for it to work because it was imposed. Democarcies were mostly created, for a lack of a better word, naturally, without foreign forces forcing it on them. Argentina, Chile, Spain, Russia, UK, France ... etc. I guess, as you have correctly said, we'll have to wait and see.

I see your point- but i think the strong showing of Iraqis at the election in January shows that Iraqis do, indeed, support democracy in their country.

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 20):
There are far bigger threats that we, the average people know of (N.Korea, Saudi Arabia, for example), yet they went for Saddam. Why this threat and not the other? Besides, with what we know now, and they knew then, Iraq was not a threat, so why go after Saddam? Do you honestly believe it was to fight terrorists?

All these nations you list are indeed threats. Iraq was also a threat, and it refused to co-operate with anyone- suggesting even further the possible threat. Perhaps the threat was overexagerated, but I still believe Saddam was a dangerous man to have in power- a danger for Iraqis, and the rest of the world alike. We DO need to keep tracking North Korea, Iran, etc. but take action only if absolutely needed (even taking lessons learned from Iraq and applying them to situations involving these other nations).

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 20):
And I think this war is actually creating more terrorists than destroying them.

Now this is a problem!

Well- can this actually be proven? Many strong insurgents have been captured or killed in Iraq, and 75% of Al-Qaeda (sp?) elsewhere. I think it is making a mark into terrorism. Just IMO, of course.  Smile
 
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RE: 6 In 10 Americans Oppose The War In Iraq

Wed Jun 22, 2005 3:07 pm

Nothing from Nikv69 on this subject? duck 
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RE: 6 In 10 Americans Oppose The War In Iraq

Wed Jun 22, 2005 3:17 pm

Quoting Basas (Reply 21):
Well- can this actually be proven?

Obviously there are no figures, but Anti-Americanism has been growing world wide. Ok, fair to say that there are not future terrorists to be found at an anti-Bush rallie in London, but what about in Iraq itself? Or Saudi Arabia? Or Iran? It was so easy to recruit terrorists before so imagine now, having US troops in their back yard. I hope I'm wrong  Sad

Quoting Basas (Reply 21):
but I still believe Saddam was a dangerous man to have in power- a danger for Iraqis, and the rest of the world alike

A potential threat maybe, but not a real threat in the last few years. Well, actually, let me specify: For Iraqis he was definitly a threat, as Pinochet was in Chile, Stalin in the USSR or Castro in Cuba, but from the US intrests, I honestly don't see how Saddam was a direct threat. He wasn't the closest of friends, but he was not stupid. So, regardless that he did not have the military capability to be a threat to the US, even if he would have had an atomic bomb, he would not have used it because he knew that retaliation would have been his end. Just my opinion here, can't back it up!  Smile

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RE: 6 In 10 Americans Oppose The War In Iraq

Wed Jun 22, 2005 3:36 pm

Quoting Basas (Reply 21):
I still believe Saddam was a dangerous man to have in power- a danger for Iraqis, and the rest of the world alike

Saddam was a danger to Iraqis, but not to the rest of the world. He may have been an evil dictator, but he wasnt dumb. He ruled with absolute power; he wasnt going to let anyone compromise that including terrorists. The most dangerous thing he had when we invaded was a SCUD missile that could barely reach outside the countries borders.

Quoting Basas (Reply 21):
Many strong insurgents have been captured or killed in Iraq, and 75% of Al-Qaeda (sp?) elsewhere

Many, many more have been recruited. Im willing to bet that Al-Qaeda is much stronger today than it was before 9/11. They may not be as concentrated, but they probably have many more people in countries around the world.
 
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RE: 6 In 10 Americans Oppose The War In Iraq

Wed Jun 22, 2005 3:56 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 2):
OK so what do those 6/10 propose doing? And "not getting into this stupid war in the first place" is not really an option fyi.

Well, this one of that 60% proposes to hold investigations and punish those responsible. I'd keep an open mind to impeachment hearings for Bush too.

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RE: 6 In 10 Americans Oppose The War In Iraq

Wed Jun 22, 2005 4:03 pm

I think that running away would not be a good idea at this point. But I would like Bush and Co. to be more honest to the American people. Daily suicide bombings and double-digit deaths are NOT a sign that the insurgents are withrawing, no matter how many good things go unreported. It isn't winning or a victory unless the Iraqi people gain a sense of security. I'm sick of all this bullshit positive spin and smoke screens being put up by the administration. I suppose they think the entire American public is full of dummies (yes I know there are many).

It's time that we hear the truth and investigate (like NonRevKing said) what happened.
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RE: 6 In 10 Americans Oppose The War In Iraq

Wed Jun 22, 2005 5:42 pm

Quoting FDXMECH (Reply 12):
Don't include Thomas as he isn't American.

And damn proud of it!  bigthumbsup 

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RE: 6 In 10 Americans Oppose The War In Iraq

Wed Jun 22, 2005 10:19 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 2):
OK so what do those 6/10 propose doing?

Impeaching Bush would be a good thing to begin with. How about High Treason?
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RE: 6 In 10 Americans Oppose The War In Iraq

Wed Jun 22, 2005 10:58 pm

Quoting Thom@s (Reply 27):
And damn proud of it!

Yes, I'm sure you are. Though, is the rest of Britain proud to claim you as well?

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 20):
Democarcies were mostly created, for a lack of a better word, naturally, without foreign forces forcing it on them.

What about Germany and Japan?

Quoting ZOTAN (Reply 24):
Saddam was a danger to Iraqis, but not to the rest of the world.

No, he was a danger to the mideast in general. Didn't he also sponsor suicide bombers in Israel?

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 20):
There are far bigger threats that we, the average people know of (N.Korea, Saudi Arabia, for example), yet they went for Saddam.

Are you proposing military action against those countries or just playing foriegn policy 3 card monty?
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RE: 6 In 10 Americans Oppose The War In Iraq

Wed Jun 22, 2005 11:27 pm

Both Germany and Japan had done experiments with democracy in the 1920 (in the case of Japan actually during the late 19th century as well), so democracy wasn´t a strange word for them and basic structures (like dfemocratic parties working underground) existed. Both, germany and Japan, turned into military dictatorships in the 1930s, after the world economic crisis and depression, when the democratically elected governments couldn´t deliver (due to several reasons, which in both country´s constitutions have been fixed).
The seeds were there, but just needed an opportunity to grow, unlike e.g. Iraq, which has no democratic traditions at all.

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RE: 6 In 10 Americans Oppose The War In Iraq

Thu Jun 23, 2005 12:07 am

Quoting FDXMECH (Reply 29):
Yes, I'm sure you are. Though, is the rest of Britain proud to claim you as well?

Norway is part of Britain now?  Wow! I must have missed that column in the newspapers...  Smile

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RE: 6 In 10 Americans Oppose The War In Iraq

Thu Jun 23, 2005 12:49 am

Well nice to see that more of the public are coming to their senses.

But unfortunately this does not change anything. Bush will continue to do what pleases him.

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 6):
OK so what do those 6/10 propose doing? And "not getting into this stupid war in the first place" is not really an option fyi.

I guess you'll have to wait for the next pointless poll asking people which of the following answers are appropriate:

A. Get out of Iraq.
B. Stay in Iraq.
C. We should never have gone there in the first place.
D. Bush is an idiot.
E. Bush is not an idiot, and Kerry also voted for the war - so don't blame Bush. But we still don't know what to do.
F. I don't know what war you're talking about - the only news I follow is Entertainment Tonight.



Quoting Flyingbronco05 (Reply 1):
On a related note, 4 out of 10 americans are stupid.



Quoting Thom@s (Reply 3):
Only 4?

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RE: 6 In 10 Americans Oppose The War In Iraq

Thu Jun 23, 2005 1:34 am

Quoting Basas (Reply 21):
I see your point- but i think the strong showing of Iraqis at the election in January shows that Iraqis do, indeed, support democracy in their country.

They they want it, I'm sure. But I'm not sure that they can handle it at the present time. And as Jan said, several countries that tried democracy too early ended up falling back into dictatorships, and nasty ones at that. I don't think you can force democracy on a country. It has to bloom naturally. Right now, Iraq has the same potential to handle democractic as a three-year old child has to handle independence. And we're going to have to be the ones who watch over Iraq as it grows up and becomes able to handle the government that we've now decided, quite arbitrarily, that it's time for it to have.

Iraq will eventually become democratic, but I have a hard time justifying the massive number of Iraqis killed, the number of American troops lost, and the huge amount of money spent (the next three generations at least are going to be paying for this war) for something that, given time, will come naturally. Quite frankly, I'm not sure that we're going to bring about democracy any sooner than the natural course of time would.

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RE: 6 In 10 Americans Oppose The War In Iraq

Thu Jun 23, 2005 2:22 am

Quoting FDXMECH (Reply 29):
What about Germany and Japan?

At what point did I say "all countries"? Besides, I stand by my post: Most countries.

Quoting FDXMECH (Reply 29):
No, he was a danger to the mideast in general. Didn't he also sponsor suicide bombers in Israel?

And Saudi's dont? And by the way, how is this a threat to the US?

Quoting FDXMECH (Reply 29):
Are you proposing military action against those countries or just playing foriegn policy 3 card monty?

No, I'm proposing more diplomacy, something that is being used for N Korea, for example. In Iraq diplomacy was practically not used, why? Revenge? Easy enemy? Business?

Quoting FDXMECH (Reply 29):
Quoting Thom@s (Reply 27):
And damn proud of it!

Yes, I'm sure you are. Though, is the rest of Britain proud to claim you as well?

Did you make a mistake or have you no clue of the Norwegian flag?
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RE: 6 In 10 Americans Oppose The War In Iraq

Thu Jun 23, 2005 2:35 am

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 34):
No, I'm proposing more diplomacy, something that is being used for N Korea,

With zero success whatsoever...
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RE: 6 In 10 Americans Oppose The War In Iraq

Thu Jun 23, 2005 2:44 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 2):
OK so what do those 6/10 propose doing? And "not getting into this stupid war in the first place" is not really an option fyi.

What do you propose doing other than being nonchalant about it?
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RE: 6 In 10 Americans Oppose The War In Iraq

Thu Jun 23, 2005 2:49 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 35):
With zero success whatsoever...

Well, no one has been killed over it, something you can't say regarding Iraq, can you? How do you measure success?
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RE: 6 In 10 Americans Oppose The War In Iraq

Thu Jun 23, 2005 3:49 am

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 36):
What do you propose doing other than being nonchalant about it?

I'm not in that 6/10.

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 37):
Well, no one has been killed over it, something you can't say regarding Iraq, can you? How do you measure success?

The goal is to disarm a nuclear North Korea, so success would mean we've moved towards that goal when in fact we've done precisely the opposite. North Korea, if we are to believe their rhetoric and there is good reason to do so, is closer than ever to building a nuclear bomb; in fact it may already have done so. The North Korean talks have been a resounding failure thus far. If more parties were to take the white gloves off, ie China and South Korea, then that could change.

[Edited 2005-06-22 20:51:49]
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RE: 6 In 10 Americans Oppose The War In Iraq

Thu Jun 23, 2005 3:53 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 38):
Quoting Jaysit (Reply 36):
What do you propose doing other than being nonchalant about it?

I'm not in that 6/10.

And that's why I asked you what you propose to do about the current state of the war in Iraq. Keep up the status quo? Send in more troops? Plan on staying in Iraq for as long as it takes to create a safe, viable, democratic, pro-US nation?
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RE: 6 In 10 Americans Oppose The War In Iraq

Thu Jun 23, 2005 5:35 am

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 39):
Plan on staying in Iraq for as long as it takes to create a safe, viable, democratic

Yes. And if we succeed in creating a democratic Muslim world (Indonesia aside) it will be one of the greatest contributions to humanity in world history.

[Edited 2005-06-22 22:35:43]
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RE: 6 In 10 Americans Oppose The War In Iraq

Thu Jun 23, 2005 5:46 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 40):
Yes. And if we succeed in creating a democratic Muslim world (Indonesia aside) it will be one of the greatest contributions to humanity in world history.

Well, at least you're upfront about it.
I wish the President was. Because quite likely there is no other alternative at this point. The long haul in Iraq could mean years or even decades.
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RE: 6 In 10 Americans Oppose The War In Iraq

Thu Jun 23, 2005 6:20 am

Quoting Aloges (Reply 28):
Impeaching Bush would be a good thing to begin with. How about High Treason?

Really...because i don't think it would matter what leader was in power- the US would still be in Iraq. (I guess some forgot the massive support for the war in BOTH parties).
 
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RE: 6 In 10 Americans Oppose The War In Iraq

Thu Jun 23, 2005 6:27 am

Quoting Basas (Reply 42):
(I guess some forgot the massive support for the war in BOTH parties).

That's never stopped the opposition before, why start now?
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RE: 6 In 10 Americans Oppose The War In Iraq

Thu Jun 23, 2005 6:29 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 43):
That's never stopped the opposition before, why start now?

Huh? All i'm saying is that people are finding an easy excuse to blame Bush when really, the US would have been in Iraq with any president.
 
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RE: 6 In 10 Americans Oppose The War In Iraq

Thu Jun 23, 2005 6:44 am

Quoting Basas (Reply 44):
Huh? All i'm saying is that people are finding an easy excuse to blame Bush when really, the US would have been in Iraq with any president.

B*llshit.

We didn't find ourselves in Iraq under Bush I (although he had the chance to go in for regime change), nor did we find ourselves in Iraq under Clinton. We found ourselves in Iraq because of a sea change in policy under the current man who plays a President on TV.
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RE: 6 In 10 Americans Oppose The War In Iraq

Thu Jun 23, 2005 6:49 am

Quoting Basas (Reply 44):
Huh? All i'm saying is that people are finding an easy excuse to blame Bush when really, the US would have been in Iraq with any president.

I'm just pointing out that the opposition camp has had many major supporters of the war until it went sour--a fact often forgotten by opponents of the war.
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RE: 6 In 10 Americans Oppose The War In Iraq

Thu Jun 23, 2005 6:54 am

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 45):
We didn't find ourselves in Iraq under Bush I (although he had the chance to go in for regime change), nor did we find ourselves in Iraq under Clinton. We found ourselves in Iraq because of a sea change in policy under the current man who plays a President on TV.

Because Iraq wasn't a threat under Clinton? Or perhaps he was...but maybe the US wasn't as aggressive in going after threats. That's why 9/11 happened. The point of going into Iraq is to try and stop attacks before they happen. But I'm sure your beloved left-wing leaders would have done a much better job in Iraq..I mean, with that big plan they had and all... Yeah sure

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 46):
I'm just pointing out that the opposition camp has had many major supporters of the war until it went sour--a fact often forgotten by opponents of the war.

Exactly.
 
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RE: 6 In 10 Americans Oppose The War In Iraq

Thu Jun 23, 2005 6:59 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 46):
I'm just pointing out that the opposition camp has had many major supporters of the war until it went sour--a fact often forgotten by opponents of the war.

I guess it took them longer to realize that this war was a losing endeavor and a farce to begin with.
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RE: 6 In 10 Americans Oppose The War In Iraq

Thu Jun 23, 2005 11:54 am

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 34):
Did you make a mistake or have you no clue of the Norwegian flag?

No. I stand by my claim that that flag is indeed the British flag.

My goof. Actually I didn't look at the flag but thought he was from the UK from a prior post. Hey let's be honest, I misspelled Norway and somehow it came out as Britain, plausible right? Besides if he was from Norway he'd write with an accent and his name would be Lars.

I know what the Norwegian flag looks like, I wrote a book report about Denmark in junior high school.

Anyway the stats now been upped to 9 of 10 Americans are stupid. Lucky I'm from Sweden. Phew.
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RE: 6 In 10 Americans Oppose The War In Iraq

Thu Jun 23, 2005 12:14 pm

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 18):
What positive has turned out from it

Halliburton was just awarded a $1.25 Billion contract the other day.

Quoting Aloges (Reply 28):
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 2):
OK so what do those 6/10 propose doing?

Impeaching Bush would be a good thing to begin with. How about High Treason?

Using his own mantra, all options are on the table!

Quoting FlyAUA (Reply 32):
Bush will continue to do what pleases him.

GWB does what pleases corporate interests and his daddy’s friends.
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