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Relations Between Israel & Australia?

Thu Jun 23, 2005 2:21 am

Hey guys -

I was just talking to a co-worker about Export Compliance laws and he mentioned something about Israel and Australia being "arch-enemies" and having very strained relations. I have never heard anything about this, it's the first time I've heard that there was any sort of animosity between them.

Can someone explain the background behind this? What caused the rift between them? Any reference material/reading you can point me to would be great.

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RE: Relations Between Israel & Australia?

Thu Jun 23, 2005 2:25 am

Strange, but our archi-enemy's foreign minister was here less then a month ago, opening the Australian films festival in Tel Aviv's Cinematheque...

I guess they forgot to tell it to him (or us).

You can also check this out:

http://www.foreignminister.gov.au/sp...04/040125FF_aust_chamber_comm.html

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RE: Relations Between Israel & Australia?

Thu Jun 23, 2005 2:27 am

Maybe he could be wrong.. I don't know. Like I said, this is the first I've heard of it.. I'm just trying to make sense of it.

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RE: Relations Between Israel & Australia?

Thu Jun 23, 2005 2:31 am

I just Googled the matter and didn't come up with much. Except for an incident concerning Mossad agents in New Zealand trying to get false passports. Is it possible that he confused Australia with New Zealand?  Confused
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RE: Relations Between Israel & Australia?

Thu Jun 23, 2005 2:34 am

Quoting BCAInfoSys (Reply 3):
. Is it possible that he confused Australia with New Zealand?

Even if he did - that still wouldn't be true, although Israel-NZ relations did suffer from the incident you've mentioned - albeit on a political level only.
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RE: Relations Between Israel & Australia?

Thu Jun 23, 2005 2:49 am

If it'll help the context of the discussion any, here's the specific text that got us talking about it, and then he mentioned Australia in addition.

"U.S. law prohibits... from knowingly participating in a non-U.S. boycott of certain countries that are friendly to the United States. Boycott requests must be reported to the U.S. Government.

U.S. Law may prohibit any of the following; therefore, each transaction must be reviewed against the following profile to ensure compliance:

  • Agreements to refuse - or actual refusals - to do business with Israel or with blacklisted companies

  • Furnishing information about business relationships with Israel or with blacklisted companies.

  • All transactions and documents received from any of the following countries: Argentina, Bahrain, Bangladesh, India, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Nigeria, Oman, Qatar, Saudia Arabia, Syria, United Arab Emirates and Yemen.


So that's where my question came from, even though Australia isn't listed there, he said they once were because they had asked us to boycott Israel for some reason. He used Australia as an example to explain the concept to me.

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RE: Relations Between Israel & Australia?

Thu Jun 23, 2005 3:15 am

Lets try to solve this :

What's common for Argentina, Bahrain, Bangladesh, India, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Nigeria, Oman, Qatar, Saudia Arabia, Syria, United Arab Emirates and Yemen?

The answer could be quit easy when thinking of Israel, but Argentina, Nigeria,India and even Jordan rule that out. Not to mention that Iran is not on the list and neither is Egypt. What else?

Also, what's the origin of the text?
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RE: Relations Between Israel & Australia?

Thu Jun 23, 2005 3:33 am

The text is a qoute concerning US Export Control regulations and EAR (Export Administration Regulation). It's basically about how information and goods are controlled for export outside of the United States.

And given the list, I can see why most of them are there. But I don't think India, Nigeria or Argentina are hostile towards Israel, at least that I know. And as you mention, Iran is missing. So I am quite perplexed.  Confused

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RE: Relations Between Israel & Australia?

Thu Jun 23, 2005 3:34 am

Is Kangaroo meat Kosher? Maybe that's the source of the problem  biggrin 
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RE: Relations Between Israel & Australia?

Thu Jun 23, 2005 3:48 am

No strained relations that I can think of. The only things I could think of are the New Zealand incident with the Mossad, and perhaps Australian authorities not allowing El Al security to carry their own weapons (hence El Al couldn't fly there).

But I don't think India, Nigeria or Argentina are hostile towards Israel, at least that I know.

Israel actually has super close relations with India, believe it or not. Israel has very close relations with some countries that you wouldn't expect, such as Singapore. They used to be very close to South Africa as well.
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RE: Relations Between Israel & Australia?

Thu Jun 23, 2005 5:22 am

Quoting LY7E7 (Reply 6):
What's common for Argentina, Bahrain, Bangladesh, India, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Nigeria, Oman, Qatar, Saudia Arabia, Syria, United Arab Emirates and Yemen?

How did Argentina get in there? All of the other countries you mentioned are either Arab or Muslim countries (or have a big Muslim population), but what does Argentina have in common with them. I thought they had a big Jewish population.

Could someone explain please?

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RE: Relations Between Israel & Australia?

Thu Jun 23, 2005 6:14 am

Quoting ConcordeLoss (Reply 10):
Could someone explain please?

You are re-iterating my question  Smile


When it come to controlling exports of US products to Argentina I can think of it as the only country in the western hemisphere that actively didn't accept the Monroe doctrine. (Do correct me if I'm wrong). Maybe the answer lies in that direction...
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RE: Relations Between Israel & Australia?

Thu Jun 23, 2005 8:19 am

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 9):
Israel actually has super close relations with India, believe it or not.

Yup, they have very good relations with India, selling them defense hardware etc. But India citizens still need a visa to go to Israel. They have pretty good relations with South Africa also.

I don't know of any incident which may have strained relations between Israel and Australia. I've been to Israel twice using my Australian passport, there were no problems at all. Nobody even bothered...they were more concerned with the flight from Bombay which had also landed at the same time.
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RE: Relations Between Israel & Australia?

Thu Jun 23, 2005 9:32 am

When my Aunt and Unlce went there about 5 years ago now, when they were leaving they were taken asside and interrogated. Neither are jewish, neither come from any middle eastern back ground, my aunt who is a solicitor isn't likley to go around breaking any laws. They were quite perplexed as to why they seemed to be singled out.

Is this a normal circumstance? or could this be a as a result of strained relations if any between the two countries.
 
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RE: Relations Between Israel & Australia?

Thu Jun 23, 2005 9:41 am

Is this a normal circumstance?

Normal for all pax, Jewish and non-Jewish.

Did they enjoy their trip?
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RE: Relations Between Israel & Australia?

Thu Jun 23, 2005 9:56 am

Quoting BCAInfoSys (Thread starter):
Israel and Australia being "arch-enemies"

Not enemies in any sense of the word but Australian intelligence services have had constant trouble with Israeli intelligence officers. Numerous incidents and several people have been deported and refused entry. The most recent I think was an Israeli "so called" diplomat who got too friendly with the daughter of a senior government minister.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/...4/1107476807834.html?oneclick=true

http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2005/s1305609.htm

Australia is certainly not anti-Israel and has a large Jewish population but I personally I am getting a bit tired of the Mossad's desire to have links, passports of or intelligence assets in every country. Let's be honest, Australia is no threat to them or in actuality anyone!
 
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RE: Relations Between Israel & Australia?

Thu Jun 23, 2005 11:44 am

Argentina has had historically taken positions in all the subjectcs usually against the USA and its allies.
For example they were pro-nazis during WWII, and not only didn't send troops(Brazil and some other countries did)But they gave refuge to a lot of nazis, Eichmann and Priebke, just to name two.They almost went to a war with Chile,who's very pro Britain, and thus pro USA,and actually went to a war with the Britain itself.
Those are just a few things, I could name some more....but lately the gov has been trying to become closer to the US, so thing are changing.

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RE: Relations Between Israel & Australia?

Thu Jun 23, 2005 1:34 pm

Quoting BCAInfoSys (Reply 5):
Australia isn't listed there, he said they once were because they had asked us to boycott Israel for some reason.

That's utterly ridiculous. All Australian government's have been supportive of Israel since it's creation. Especially former Prime Minister Bob Hawke (1983-1991), who is a bit of a fixture in Australian-Israeli relations.

Australia would probably not be a key US ally if it was anti-Israel.

Australia also has one of the world's largest Jewish communities outside Israel in Melbourne, Victoria.

You're friend is incorrect or simply confused.

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RE: Relations Between Israel & Australia?

Thu Jun 23, 2005 1:46 pm

Quoting Ozair (Reply 15):
Let's be honest, Australia is no threat to them or in actuality anyone!

And nobody in Mossad sees it like one  Smile. The other incidents are plain dumb IMO.
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RE: Relations Between Israel & Australia?

Thu Jun 23, 2005 3:52 pm

Quoting Ozair (Reply 15):
Let's be honest, Australia is no threat to them or in actuality anyone!

Your inability to grasp the full implications of our nation's place in the world astounds me.

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