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Three Boys Found Dead In Trunk

Sat Jun 25, 2005 11:33 am

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationwo...,print.story?coll=ny-top-headlines

The father of a missing 6-year-old boy found his son's body and those of his two young friends in the trunk of a car Friday, two days after the children disappeared from a nearby yard where they were playing.

A neighbor, Carmen Cilla, said she saw David Agosto open the trunk of the car and collapse to his knees screaming. It was not immediately clear how the three boys got into the vehicle or whether foul play was involved.

The boys -- Jesstin "Manny" Pagan, 5; Daniel Agosto, 6; and Anibal "Juni" Cruz, 11 -- had vanished from the yard next to Anibal's home on Wednesday evening. The car where they were found was parked in a driveway next to the yard. It was not immediately clear if the car had been searched previously.

The boys had been the subject of a massive search since their disappearance. About 150 police, firefighters and other officials searched Friday using boats, helicopters, all-terrain vehicles and tracking dogs.


My mom spoke to the pilots of a NJSP helicopter that was searching for them. They had been searching all night, and it was city-wide. Everyone had high-expectations of finding them, as, after all it is Camden, and it might have been likely they were taken and soon to be returned. Now it looks like, at least what I think happened, that the children somehow got in the trunk and shut it while playing a game or something of that sort. Very very very sad, though, and being a local, and watching the video of the Camden residents just losing their emotions is rather heart breaking. Comments?

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RE: Three Boys Found Dead In Trunk

Sat Jun 25, 2005 11:40 am

This is one of the most bizarre cases i've heard of. Sad nonetheless.
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RE: Three Boys Found Dead In Trunk

Sat Jun 25, 2005 11:46 am

Get your Flame throwers ready...

A) only a few people REALLY have a good idea why they died at this point in time so us speculating without an initial coroner's report is useless.
B) Having said A, and presuming they just died because of locking themselves in the trunk, it's just Darwin at work. Sad but true.
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RE: Three Boys Found Dead In Trunk

Sat Jun 25, 2005 11:58 am

Having said A, and presuming they just died because of locking themselves in the trunk, it's just Darwin at work. Sad but true.


I'm a huge fan of the Darwin awards, but this is truly sad. You don't expect kids of that age to have the foresight to avoid locking themselves and dying in the trunk of a car. But let's wait for the autopsies to be sure though.
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RE: Three Boys Found Dead In Trunk

Sat Jun 25, 2005 12:15 pm

Quoting Captaingomes (Reply 3):
You don't expect kids of that age to have the foresight to avoid locking themselves and dying in the trunk of a car.

NOPE, but as the father of a 6 and 3 year old I expect that unless you hire a baby sitter, take the kid to daycare or otherwise entrust the care of your child to someone else, you are FOOLISH to not keep an eye on your kids 24/7. Why was the trunk open in the first place???
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RE: Three Boys Found Dead In Trunk

Sat Jun 25, 2005 12:17 pm

I can't believe the local CBS station showed the clip of him discovering the three children dead on the evening news!!! Ugh, distasteful of them!
 
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RE: Three Boys Found Dead In Trunk

Sat Jun 25, 2005 12:20 pm

Quoting Pendrilsaint (Reply 5):
I can't believe the local CBS station showed the clip of him discovering the three children dead on the evening news!!! Ugh, distasteful of them!

So you saw that, too? It was absolutely horrifying watching these neighbors breakdown on the ground...just...horrible.

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RE: Three Boys Found Dead In Trunk

Sat Jun 25, 2005 12:38 pm

Quoting Pendrilsaint (Reply 5):
I can't believe the local CBS station showed the clip of him discovering the three children dead on the evening news!!! Ugh, distasteful of them!

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RE: Three Boys Found Dead In Trunk

Sat Jun 25, 2005 7:35 pm

Man, sad story, the media should not have played the clip no matter what the outcome was.
 
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RE: Three Boys Found Dead In Trunk

Sat Jun 25, 2005 7:53 pm

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 4):
NOPE, but as the father of a 6 and 3 year old I expect that unless you hire a baby sitter, take the kid to daycare or otherwise entrust the care of your child to someone else, you are FOOLISH to not keep an eye on your kids 24/7. Why was the trunk open in the first place???

I can only imagine the car was probably unlocked. Auto trunk release. Bang, it's open.

Some cars - and I don't know which ones because I haven't owned a car in thirty years - have a trunk release inside. I know the early 1990s model Ford Escort did, my wife had one.

Quoting Pendrilsaint (Reply 5):
I can't believe the local CBS station showed the clip of him discovering the three children dead on the evening news!!! Ugh, distasteful of them!

Agreed.
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RE: Three Boys Found Dead In Trunk

Sat Jun 25, 2005 8:36 pm

I don't know if this car had auto-release, but in my opinion ALL cars should have auto-release. It's just common sense as far as I'm concerned.

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RE: Three Boys Found Dead In Trunk

Sat Jun 25, 2005 10:21 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 9):
have a trunk release inside.

Mine does, but I hope no on I know ever needs to use it.

The thing that MIGHT be shown in this case is that MAYBE they had one too, the only problem being that with 3 boys in such a small space, and maybe playing like they were going to take a nap, they ran out of oxygen before anyone thought there was a problem. Honestly not a bad death, if I have do die 'un-naturally' O2 deprivation doesn't seem too bad, just LOC then death.
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RE: Three Boys Found Dead In Trunk

Sun Jun 26, 2005 2:07 am

Sounds fishy. I hope the cops are investigating the parents. If they told the cops and firefighters, "We already looked in there," then it makes the parents suspects. If I were called out to help with a search and a parent told me they already checked the trunk, I'd wouldn't trust them. I would want to check it myself...with another professional rescuer as a witness.

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RE: Three Boys Found Dead In Trunk

Sun Jun 26, 2005 2:16 am

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 12):
I hope the cops are investigating the parents. If they told the cops and firefighters, "We already looked in there," then it makes the parents suspects.

If the father was guilty per say, why would he later go in the trunk????? I mean, that would be giving it away don't you think? My gut feeling is that these kids locked themselves in there and died as a result. Unbelievably sad story this one is. I love how the media played barely ANY attention to this story. Yet they are all up in arms about the girl missing in Aruba. I would think they would pay more attention to the boys since IT HAPPENED IN THE UNITED STATES and people could do something about it from watching the TV. But of course they were hispanic boys after all....
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RE: Three Boys Found Dead In Trunk

Sun Jun 26, 2005 2:41 am

Quoting CORULEZ05 (Reply 13):
But of course they were hispanic boys after all....

Sorry but 3 hispanic boys that we KNOW are dead aren't worth a pretty blonde 18 year old chick who "might still be alive".











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RE: Three Boys Found Dead In Trunk

Sun Jun 26, 2005 4:47 am

The Associated Press story I'm reading on a local TV stations website says the hydraulic plunger that keeps the trunk lid open was not working and allowed the lid to close. The vehicle in the photos is a 92-95 body style Camry which has opposing torsion springs on the trunk, not a hydraulic piston.

Terribly sad story, but the malfunction they claim cannot happen on this car.
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RE: Three Boys Found Dead In Trunk

Sun Jun 26, 2005 4:48 am

Quoting Captaingomes (Reply 3):
I'm a huge fan of the Darwin awards, but this is truly sad. You don't expect kids of that age to have the foresight to avoid locking themselves and dying in the trunk of a car. But let's wait for the autopsies to be sure though.

i join you on that but then again the boys were what...5 and 6? and the one who is 11 was reported as having the mental capactiy of a 4 or 5 year - old. so.....
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RE: Three Boys Found Dead In Trunk

Sun Jun 26, 2005 9:08 am

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 11):

The thing that MIGHT be shown in this case is that MAYBE they had one too, the only problem being that with 3 boys in such a small space, and maybe playing like they were going to take a nap, they ran out of oxygen before anyone thought there was a problem. Honestly not a bad death, if I have do die 'un-naturally' O2 deprivation doesn't seem too bad, just LOC then death.

I don't think most trunks are air tight. I live about an hour and a half from Philadelphia and I know it has been really hot around here lately. They probably died of heat stroke.

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RE: Three Boys Found Dead In Trunk

Sun Jun 26, 2005 9:28 am

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 17):
I don't think most trunks are air tight. I live about an hour and a half from Philadelphia and I know it has been really hot around here lately. They probably died of heat stroke.

You are ignoring this: http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050625/D8AUUGN80.html N.J. Boys Said to Accidentally Suffocate

You don't have to be in an 'airtight compartment' to suffocate..just one that doesnt have enough ventalation/moving air to sustain 3 boys.
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RE: Three Boys Found Dead In Trunk

Sun Jun 26, 2005 10:18 am

And people still bring kids into this world...and then ignore them.

Sorry, parents at fault.
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RE: Three Boys Found Dead In Trunk

Sun Jun 26, 2005 10:42 am

Quoting CORULEZ05 (Reply 13):
I love how the media played barely ANY attention to this story.

I guess your cable is out, or your Satellite is malfunctioning. Hell of a lot of news coverage on this on all the networks . . .yes, even way up here in the Arctic. Breaking News when they were reported missing. Constant coverage while the search progressed. Breaking news when they were unfortunately found dead.

Hey, here's a novel thought - try actually turning ON your television. News coverage is better that way!  sarcastic 

Quoting CORULEZ05 (Reply 13):
But of course they were hispanic boys after all....

 redflag  Doesn't matter that they are hispanic. Still three missing children. And your comments show only one thing - that you yourself are racist. But of course, we already knew that. Grow up.
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RE: Three Boys Found Dead In Trunk

Sun Jun 26, 2005 10:55 am

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 19):
And people still bring kids into this world...and then ignore them.

Sorry, parents at fault.

Huh? Didn't you ever play in the backyard as a kid while mom made dinner? I think it's unrealistic to expect one adult to have eyes on kids every single minute, 24/7. It's a tragic accident.
 
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RE: Three Boys Found Dead In Trunk

Sun Jun 26, 2005 11:04 am

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 19):
And people still bring kids into this world...and then ignore them.

I think that is an extremely insensitive thing to say. These kids were playing and rough housing around their own house - that's what normal kids do. I remember when I was a kid, because we live right on Sydney harbour, that I was always falling in the water, or getting under the house or some other place to play "hide and seek" or whatever. It didn't mean that my parents ignored me!

Hindsight is a beautiful thing, and it's completely unfair of you to turn around and have a go at the parents. It's a really REALLY low blow.

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RE: Three Boys Found Dead In Trunk

Sun Jun 26, 2005 11:09 am

When I was a kid, I've heard about a similar accident happening to a boy who hid inside an old scrap 1950s refrigerator, those built before they had the magnetic seal on the door, they had a big lever lock on the outside, impossible to open from the inside. The children were playing hide and seek.

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Sun Jun 26, 2005 5:01 pm

Freezers and Car Trunks have killed many kids over the years, and this incident is probably just another sad example of that happening.

The kids where right where they where supposed to be, in their yard.
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RE: Three Boys Found Dead In Trunk

Sun Jun 26, 2005 7:32 pm

So I get flamed because parents don't have the forsight to watch thier kids?

Excuse me. Anyone who is even remotely aware of what a sick world we live in should be on top of thier children 24/7. And while this most likely is an accident...these kids were LITTLE. A 10 or 12 year old may be cut a little slack but 5 and 6?

The father may as well have killed them himself.

No sympathy here. Except for the kids who have lousy parents and suffered because of it.
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RE: Three Boys Found Dead In Trunk

Sun Jun 26, 2005 8:19 pm

Bullshit!
I think in many cases parents today are overprotective and literally condeming their kids to be couch potatoes. I grew up in the 1970s and compared to children today, we had a lot more freedoms. At the age of 5-6, we were playing the whole summer outside with other kids. I used to walk to school about 1.5 miles away, unsupervised after the first two weeks (My mother checked out that I knew how to cross a busy road and was able to find my way), same as my class mates. I've never heard about children above preschool being picked up by their parents and any kid, where the parents insisted and which didn't have the excuse of a long travel distance, would have been teased mercilessly. If you were living further away than 20 minutes walk, you would come to school by bicycle.
There were several playgrounds, a forestlike park and even something what we called an adventure playground, where we were provided with scrap timber, nails and tools to built houses and were allowed to light fires to e.g. cook potatoes on a pointed stick, with minimal adult supervision (there were a few adults around, making sure nobody got seriously hurt and they also loaned out the tools, most of them were parents taking turns, my mother included). We had pocket knives as tools, we never thought about them as weapons, but to show your new Swiss pocket knife with the most gadgets was a competition.
We were zooming around by bicycle, sometimes 3-4 miles away from home, and as long as we let the parents know where we were going, it was ok.

If I hear the complaints of my 14 year old daughter in Ca, who says that there is apparently a law that even teenagers have to be constantly supervised by their parents, I feel sorry for them.

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RE: Three Boys Found Dead In Trunk

Sun Jun 26, 2005 8:32 pm

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 26):

I think in many cases parents today are overprotective and literally condeming their kids to be couch potatoes. I grew up in the 1970s and compared to children today, we had a lot more freedoms

I agree. Today's children are virtually, in some cases, under house arrest.

Now, I recall when my Daughter the same age as these children, and she had her freedoms and her limits. Want to play outside, play in the back yard (fenced of course). Have to use a helmet when you ride you bike, not in the street of course (wonder why, I never did).

This is nothing more than an unfortunate accident - I hope - and I'm sorry for those three kids and their families. But, lets not have a kneejerk reaction and start locknig our children in a closet.

I suspect someone will pass a law or legislate the hell out of something to show "what a great community service" he/she is doing to hopefully prevent this in the future. If it were preventable, it wouldn't be called an accident.
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RE: Three Boys Found Dead In Trunk

Sun Jun 26, 2005 8:33 pm

That was the 70's.

Does a day go by anymore we don't read about some kid getting snatched or killed?

Let them run free and you'll be sorry.

And so will they.
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RE: Three Boys Found Dead In Trunk

Sun Jun 26, 2005 8:41 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 27):
Now, I recall when my Daughter the same age as these children, and she had her freedoms and her limits. Want to play outside, play in the back yard (fenced of course). Have to use a helmet when you ride you bike, not in the street of course (wonder why, I never did).



Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 28):
That was the 70's.

Noooo, that was 5 years ago.

She had her share of scrapes and bruises and one run in with a wayward moose (now THAT got my attention - fence paid for itself right then and there). But I didn't sit on her 24/7. I definitely knew where she was, and took other precautions but I didn't "not" let her be a kid.

I see your point, I see where you're going, I understand your point. Perhaps I'm reading too much in to it - but sounds to me as though you'd be or you are a bit over-protective?

Got to be a line drawn somewhere between too much and too little. Unfortunately, there isn't a Soldiers Field Manual written on that?  wink 
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Sun Jun 26, 2005 8:42 pm

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 28):
Does a day go by anymore we don't read about some kid getting snatched or killed?

I think the number of incidents staid more or less the same, but what was formerly just a matter for the local press once a day is now published nationwide and repeated every 30 minutes on the news channels.

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RE: Three Boys Found Dead In Trunk

Sun Jun 26, 2005 10:11 pm

UPDATE!

Deaths ruled accidental. Children suffocated  Sad




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RE: Three Boys Found Dead In Trunk

Sun Jun 26, 2005 10:14 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 31):
UPDATE!

Deaths ruled accidental. Children suffocated



Quoting TedTAce (Reply 18):
You are ignoring this: http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050625/D8AUUGN80.html N.J. Boys Said to Accidentally Suffocate
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RE: Three Boys Found Dead In Trunk

Tue Jun 28, 2005 7:53 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 9):
I can only imagine the car was probably unlocked. Auto trunk release. Bang, it's open.

Some cars - and I don't know which ones because I haven't owned a car in thirty years - have a trunk release inside. I know the early 1990s model Ford Escort did, my wife had one.

I believe by the 1990s, nearly every car offered an inside trunk release button as standard equipment. Back in the '70s & '80s, it was only an option on certain models.

Many newer sedans (I'm not sure whether it's now a mandatory safety feature) now have a plastic flourescent (glow-in-the-dark) trunk-release lever inside the trunk itself. In this case, an in-trunk-release lever could've made the difference between life and death for those boys.

Nonetheless, the incident is still a tragedy.
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RE: Three Boys Found Dead In Trunk

Tue Jun 28, 2005 8:28 am

This is a total tragedy and may there souls rest in peace.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 33):
I believe by the 1990s, nearly every car offered an inside trunk release button as standard equipment. Back in the '70s & '80s, it was only an option on certain models.

Many newer sedans (I'm not sure whether it's now a mandatory safety feature) now have a plastic flourescent (glow-in-the-dark) trunk-release lever inside the trunk itself.

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RE: Three Boys Found Dead In Trunk

Tue Jun 28, 2005 8:35 am

I can't believe the local CBS station showed the clip of him discovering the three children dead on the evening news!!! Ugh, distasteful of them!


Whoa, I'd been following this all last week on the radio. They showed the actual real time video of the father discovering them?!
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RE: Three Boys Found Dead In Trunk

Tue Jun 28, 2005 11:35 am

I believe a minute or so after. All the neighbors going insane.
 
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RE: Three Boys Found Dead In Trunk

Tue Jun 28, 2005 1:13 pm

On one of the CBS affiliates in Atlanta they showed the video of the father actually discovering the children. He basically spins around screaming and crying and runs and buries his head against a wall; it was the most disturbing thing I have seen in a long while. I've only seen it played that one time since then.

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