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Billionaire Walton Dies In Plane Crash.

Tue Jun 28, 2005 10:27 am

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RE: Billionaire Walton Dies In Plane Crash.

Tue Jun 28, 2005 10:30 am

Too bad... Maybe he could peddle his inferior products to the Devil now.

[Edited 2005-06-28 03:50:51]
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RE: Billionaire Walton Dies In Plane Crash.

Tue Jun 28, 2005 10:36 am

Quoting Flybyguy (Reply 1):
Too bad... Maybe he could peddle his inferior products to the Devil.

If I could peddle inferior products and make BILLIONS, I'd do it.
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RE: Billionaire Walton Dies In Plane Crash.

Tue Jun 28, 2005 10:45 am

Nothing inferior about buying the exact same pencils, shampoo, toliet paper, or grociers for less at Wal-Mart.


He died doing what he loved, flying an ultralight over beautiful Wyoming. Would that we were all so fortunate.
 
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RE: Billionaire Walton Dies In Plane Crash.

Tue Jun 28, 2005 10:56 am

Well I consider everything made in China inferior and for Walmart to be the largest US importer of Chinese goods (or "bads" as the case may be) that would make Walmart the largest distributer of flimsy crap in America.

When I think superior products I think products made in the USA, Japan, and Europe and possibly Singapore.
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RE: Billionaire Walton Dies In Plane Crash.

Tue Jun 28, 2005 11:16 am

 tombstone 

He is a Vietnam Vet - Green Beret. Salute and Rest in Peace.

Quoting Flybyguy (Reply 1):
Too bad... Maybe he could peddle his inferior products to the Devil now.



Quoting MD-90 (Reply 3):
Nothing inferior about buying the exact same pencils, shampoo, toliet paper, or grociers for less at Wal-Mart.

Agree with MD-90.  faint  Same product, less cost, I'm okay with that.
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RE: Billionaire Walton Dies In Plane Crash.

Tue Jun 28, 2005 11:20 am

Quoting Flybyguy (Reply 4):
Well I consider everything made in China inferior

I don't, I think you're just racist  banghead 
 
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RE: Billionaire Walton Dies In Plane Crash.

Tue Jun 28, 2005 11:23 am

His father Sam flew his own prop plane back in the 1960-1980's to look at stores, and from stories, he was a very risk taking pilot and had his own 'style of flying, often scaring passangers.
This man served his country honorably, but took one risk too many. It is a terrible loss for his family and the people he worked with. This reminds me of the death of singer John Denver, whom also died in an ultralight aircraft flight.
 
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RE: Billionaire Walton Dies In Plane Crash.

Tue Jun 28, 2005 11:37 am

Maybe it was a Chinese ultralight.

...but there are only 3 small factories in China, which produce only 20 light, or ultralight aircrafts of inferior quality every year and whose quality cannot be guaranteed.

Source: http://www.cnairsports.com/10_1.htm

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RE: Billionaire Walton Dies In Plane Crash.

Tue Jun 28, 2005 12:21 pm

Quoting Pilotsmoe (Reply 6):
I don't, I think you're just racist

Racist? Perhaps you didn't read the rest of my message... last time I checked Japanese and Singaporean people were Asian.

I really dislike people tossing the R-word with little thought. That definitely takes a lot of limelight off of Neo-Nazis and KKKers.
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RE: Billionaire Walton Dies In Plane Crash.

Tue Jun 28, 2005 12:23 pm

Awww... another walton gone. I feel a hollow place inside my heart. How many more?
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RE: Billionaire Walton Dies In Plane Crash.

Tue Jun 28, 2005 12:29 pm

I've read the Reader's Digest condensed version of Sam Walton's autobiography (very good read), and while there was mention of Mr. Walton's flying, nothing ever suggested that he was a pilot with substandard judgement.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 7):
This reminds me of the death of singer John Denver, whom also died in an ultralight aircraft flight.

No, he didn't, because he was not flying an ultralight. He was flying a Long-EZ, and was unfamiliar with the fuel selection toggle behind and above his head (not uncommon in Long-EZs).

Quoting Flybyguy (Reply 9):
I really dislike people tossing the R-word with little thought.

Personally, I dislike ignorant people bashing Wal-Mart when they don't understand the very basic trade that enriches both Americans and Chinese through Wal-Mart.
 
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RE: Billionaire Walton Dies In Plane Crash.

Tue Jun 28, 2005 12:32 pm

He was just 58 years old ... That is way young. This is totally unexpected.

EDIT: What aircraft was he piloting? Are there airliners.net photos of same aircraft type?

[Edited 2005-06-28 05:34:59]
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RE: Billionaire Walton Dies In Plane Crash.

Tue Jun 28, 2005 12:38 pm

My understanding is that he was piloting an ultralight.

If that is the case the NTSB won't investigate since it isn't a registered airplane.
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RE: Billionaire Walton Dies In Plane Crash.

Tue Jun 28, 2005 12:52 pm

Anything made in China is inferior? You should look at the actual products, and not where they are made, to determine if they are inferior or not. There is a lot of crap made in America, Europe and Japan, just so you know. The above coments about you aren't out of line.
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RE: Billionaire Walton Dies In Plane Crash.

Tue Jun 28, 2005 1:05 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 5):
He is a Vietnam Vet - Green Beret. Salute and Rest in Peace.

RIP to him. The article says he was awarded the Silver Star. Hats off to him for that. One doesn’t get a Silver Star just for showing up to work.

This thread took all of 1 post to become a Wal-Mart bashing thread. I’m all for bashing Wal-Mart – but c’mon for chrissakes, a newsworthy guy (a decorated vet and that took me by surprise) died! There is a time/place for bashing. Gawd!
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RE: Billionaire Walton Dies In Plane Crash.

Tue Jun 28, 2005 1:06 pm

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 11):
Personally, I dislike ignorant people bashing Wal-Mart when they don't understand the very basic trade that enriches both Americans and Chinese through Wal-Mart.

Enriches Americans? Maybe Chinese Factory Owners and the Waltons everybody else on this side of the Pacific get the corperate shaft. I fail to see how the biggest importer in America helps Americans... I can understand companies like Chevy or Catapillar helping Americans earn a living even as each respective company annually shovels hundreds of jobs to Mexico because these companies have at least have some interest in manufacturing in America, however Walmart is probably the company with the most contempt for the American way of life. Walmart waltzes into small towns and facilitates the destruction of local economies. Not only is Walmart the largest undisputed importer of Chinese crap in the country but they pay their workers shit... and are always in the news because of some form of wickedness the porkbelly management inflicts upon their employees.

The man is worth $18 Billion dollars yet none of his employees have a living wage and he has spent most of his life keeping it that way. If that doesn't make Satan proud I don't know what will. Hope you like your eternal accommodations at the Hotel Tartarus, John Walton.
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RE: Billionaire Walton Dies In Plane Crash.

Tue Jun 28, 2005 3:31 pm

Quoting September11 (Reply 12):
EDIT: What aircraft was he piloting? Are there airliners.net photos of same aircraft type?

lol, I doubt it.

Walton, an experienced pilot who was a resident of Jackson Hole, was flying a 400- to 500-pound home-made aircraft, with an aluminum body, cloth-covered wings and a small engine, Grand Teton National Park spokeswoman Joan Anzelmo said.

It wasn't even an actual ultralight. Go figure that the ignorant press would get it wrong. http://yahoo.reuters.com/financeQuot...05-06-28_03-28-10_n27325008_newsml

Park rangers were investigating the incident, she said, adding that the Federal Aviation Administration had declined to do so as it involved an unregistered aircraft.

Although, maybe I was too quick to judge the writer. If it's an experimental, it must have an N-number. Maybe he was flying an ultralight trainer? At least the Reuters article properly calls it a light plane, not an ultralight. Probably an experimental of some sort (a "heavy" ultralight), since legal ultralight trainers aren't all that common.

Quoting Flybyguy (Reply 16):
Enriches Americans? Maybe Chinese Factory Owners and the Waltons everybody else on this side of the Pacific get the corperate shaft.

Wal-Mart pretty much does more to increase the purchasing power of Americans than any other entity, including the parasitic government. That company is a huge boon to almost every American, as well as an extremely important employer.
 
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RE: Billionaire Walton Dies In Plane Crash.

Tue Jun 28, 2005 5:10 pm

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 17):
Walton, an experienced pilot who was a resident of Jackson Hole, was flying a 400- to 500-pound home-made aircraft, with an aluminum body, cloth-covered wings and a small engine, Grand Teton National Park spokeswoman Joan Anzelmo said.

Being a billionaire I guess I could afford at least a Cessna and would not have to risk my life in some home-made "aircraft".
 
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RE: Billionaire Walton Dies In Plane Crash.

Tue Jun 28, 2005 6:45 pm

Look at it this way Flybyguy. You have a poor family who can hardly afford to get by. Do they go to the local shop, which probably pays the same wages to it's workers, or do they go to Wal-Mart, where they can save some of their hard-earned money?
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RE: Billionaire Walton Dies In Plane Crash.

Tue Jun 28, 2005 7:54 pm

Quoting UN_B732 (Reply 19):
You have a poor family who can hardly afford to get by. Do they go to the local shop, which probably pays the same wages to it's workers, or do they go to Wal-Mart, where they can save some of their hard-earned money?

Look at it this way. That poor family once upon a time might of had a breadwinner working in a factory until that factory moved to China so they could pay their people pennies to the dollar compared to an American worker. Now that American worker makes pennies to the dollar if he works at all. Walmart made a new customer.
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RE: Billionaire Walton Dies In Plane Crash.

Tue Jun 28, 2005 8:34 pm

The argument that Wal-Mart "destroys" local economies is flimsy. While mom & pop businesses might be a casualty, the employment opportunity offered by a local Wal-Mart store is so much greater than what a few mom & pop stores could possibly offer. Plus, if mom & pop stores tried to differentiate themselves in some way besides price, there would be room for both concepts in the community.

Also, last time I checked, IBM wasn't planning on opening offices in a place like Milledgeville, GA anytime soon.
 
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RE: Billionaire Walton Dies In Plane Crash.

Tue Jun 28, 2005 10:38 pm

Quoting Flybyguy (Reply 16):
Enriches Americans? Maybe Chinese Factory Owners and the Waltons everybody else on this side of the Pacific get the corperate shaft. I fail to see how the biggest importer in America helps Americans...

Cheap Chineses imports have been controlling US inflation and delivering standard of living increases for years now.
 
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RE: Billionaire Walton Dies In Plane Crash.

Wed Jun 29, 2005 12:41 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 13):
If that is the case the NTSB won't investigate since it isn't a registered airplane.

Actually they are showing an interest. NTSB released this this morning:

"The National Transportation Safety Board has dispatched an
investigator from the Denver regional office to monitor
developments at the scene of yesterday's crash of an
unregistered air vehicle, reportedly an ultra-light, near
Jackson Hole Airport, in Wyoming. The sole occupant of the
vehicle, John Walton, was killed in the crash."

It's not unusual for the NTSB to investigate an incident it otherwise would not, or investigate more deeply than it otherwise would have, when a prominent person is involved. Sen Wellstone, Payne Stewart, and John Denver all got the celebrity treatment from NTSB.
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RE: Billionaire Walton Dies In Plane Crash.

Wed Jun 29, 2005 12:55 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 5):
He is a Vietnam Vet - Green Beret. Salute and Rest in Peace.

Whatever I think of Wal Mart and its crappy treatment of employees and its business practices, hats off for that one. FlyingTexan was right, noone gets a Silver Star for just showing up to work. Wal Mart aside, seriously the military resume was impressive enough. Combat Medic in Vietnam... that's a job just as tough and maybe tougher than being a grunt I would think.
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RE: Billionaire Walton Dies In Plane Crash.

Wed Jun 29, 2005 1:11 am

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 18):
Being a billionaire I guess I could afford at least a Cessna and would not have to risk my life in some home-made "aircraft".

You obviously don't know much about flying and obviously you are not a pilot.

As for Wal-Mart, obviously a pretty good company considering their success and the amount of people that flow thru their stores each day.

As for Walton, it's a sad loss for his family. And because of who he is he is chastised here. When you think about it, that's pretty low in anyone's book. Shame on you.
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RE: Billionaire Walton Dies In Plane Crash.

Wed Jun 29, 2005 4:21 am

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 18):
Being a billionaire I guess I could afford at least a Cessna and would not have to risk my life in some home-made "aircraft".

Most all of them are a lot more fun than a boring spam can.
 
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RE: Billionaire Walton Dies In Plane Crash.

Wed Jun 29, 2005 7:23 am

More news from NTSB. Apparently they have decided to investigate rather than observe:

"A National Transportation Safety Board investigator is at
the scene of yesterday's crash in Jackson Hole, WY, that
resulted in the death of John Walton. The investigator,
Aaron Sauer of the NTSB's regional office in Denver, has
performed an initial examination of the wreckage and had
discussions with National Park Service officials and local FAA
inspectors.

The accident vehicle has been identified as a CGS Hawk
Arrow, an experimental, kit-built airplane.

Consequently, the NTSB will conduct a typical field
investigation of this accident. Mr. Sauer will be the
Investigator-in-Charge."





www.cgsaviation.com

[Edited 2005-06-29 00:30:10]

[Edited 2005-06-29 00:34:04]
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RE: Billionaire Walton Dies In Plane Crash.

Wed Jun 29, 2005 8:15 am

Quoting Flybyguy (Reply 4):
Well I consider everything made in China inferior

That's naive. This may have been true 10 yrs ago but the quality of products coming out of China now is as good as any from most of those countries you mentioned.

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RE: Billionaire Walton Dies In Plane Crash.

Thu Jun 30, 2005 11:17 am

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 17):
Although, maybe I was too quick to judge the writer. If it's an experimental, it must have an N-number.

Experimental aircraft do not have N numbers and quite a few ultralights are experimental.
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RE: Billionaire Walton Dies In Plane Crash.

Thu Jun 30, 2005 11:23 am

Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 29):
Experimental aircraft do not have N numbers

Uhhhh, no. Checkout any new Boeing airliner type before it gets certified and you'll see the word "Experimental" above the door and they have N-numbers.

Here's an example....


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RE: Billionaire Walton Dies In Plane Crash.

Thu Jun 30, 2005 11:42 am

Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 29):
Experimental aircraft do not have N numbers and quite a few ultralights are experimental.

UMMM.....very wrong. My father owns an experimental airplane. It's a modified Great Lakes Biplane which he built himself. It most certainly has a N number!!
 
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RE: Billionaire Walton Dies In Plane Crash.

Thu Jun 30, 2005 12:01 pm

Quoting Clipperhawaii (Reply 25):
And because of who he is he is chastised here. When you think about it, that's pretty low in anyone's book. Shame on you.

And you ever wonder why people present good eulogies for evil people. I guess the fact death can claim rich or poor, sick or healthy, good or bad leaves us shuddering against any offense towards it. Death the great equalizer, no matter how rich we are we all become moldering piles of worm food in the end... I think Mr. Greedy N. Moneybags found that out first hand.
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RE: Billionaire Walton Dies In Plane Crash.

Thu Jun 30, 2005 12:06 pm

lol. You're comparing a 777 to an ultralight?!
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Flying Under Ultralight Rules (FAR Part 103)

Recreational flight limited to single seaters weighing less than 254 lbs (and two-seaters less than 496 lbs empty, when operated in accordance with one of the FAA training exemptions issued to the ultralight organizations).
Any category, class or type of vehicle permitted (i.e. airplane, trike, powered parachute)
Dual flight training under special FAA exemption.
FAA has chosen not to promulgate Federal regulations regarding pilot certification, vehicle certification, and vehicle registration, preferring that the ultralight community assume the initiative for the development of these important safety programs. The ultralight community has taken positive action and developed programs almost two decades ago gaining FAA approval for their implementation.
FAA further states, "...it should be emphasized that the individual ultralight operator's support and compliance with national self-regulation programs is essential to the FAA's continued policy of allowing industry self-regulation in these areas." http://www.usua.org/Rules/ruleandregs.htm

And my apologies, while some experimental a/c do not have n numbers, I believe that most do. NX followed by the additional information. Some ultralights do not need to be registered.
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RE: Billionaire Walton Dies In Plane Crash.

Thu Jun 30, 2005 12:31 pm

My mistake for thinking that all ultralights are experimental...this is of course incorrect. blush  However, ultralights do not need N numbers.
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RE: Billionaire Walton Dies In Plane Crash.

Thu Jun 30, 2005 12:36 pm

All legal ultralights do not require N (numbers). They are some experimental ultralights built from kits, but most of them are delivered straight from the factory. All experimental aircraft that are not ultralights must have an N-number, and it doesn't have to start with NX (that was way back in the day...).

There are quite a few "heavy" ultralights, which are technically illegal.
 
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RE: Billionaire Walton Dies In Plane Crash.

Thu Jun 30, 2005 5:56 pm




From the current Avweb NewsWire:

Dr. Brent Blue, an aviation medical examiner in Jackson Hole, told AVweb yesterday that Walton was "a very experienced and a very careful pilot. He was current in his Citation and flew it regularly. He was a crop-duster earlier in his life in California ... Truly a great guy. He will be missed by his friends in this community."
 
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RE: Billionaire Walton Dies In Plane Crash.

Fri Jul 01, 2005 1:54 pm

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 11):
Personally, I dislike ignorant people bashing Wal-Mart when they don't understand the very basic trade that enriches both Americans and Chinese through Wal-Mart.

Yes it sure enriches all those minimum wage workers in America and those cent an hour workers in China! Honestly what planet do you live on?
 
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RE: Billionaire Walton Dies In Plane Crash.

Fri Jul 01, 2005 2:06 pm

It sure alows our inflating dollar buy more. A dollar today is only worth 50% of a dollar from 1980!
 
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RE: Billionaire Walton Dies In Plane Crash.

Sat Jul 02, 2005 12:14 pm

And what you fail to grasp is Wal-Mart, globalization, et al causes even more deflation.
 
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RE: Billionaire Walton Dies In Plane Crash.

Sat Jul 02, 2005 10:10 pm

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 36):
From the current Avweb NewsWire:

Dr. Brent Blue, an aviation medical examiner in Jackson Hole, told AVweb yesterday that Walton was "a very experienced and a very careful pilot. He was current in his Citation and flew it regularly. He was a crop-duster earlier in his life in California ... Truly a great guy. He will be missed by his friends in this community."

How the Hell is an AME going to know if the guy's a "careful" pilot? That's right. He may know if he's a healthy one...

And I've met more nutjobs flying Citations single-pilot than I care to recount.
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