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Canada: Same-sex Marriage Bill Is Passed.

Wed Jun 29, 2005 10:36 am

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/06/28/samesex050628.html

Finally. I am proud to be a Canadian at this important juncture, proud that we have become just the 3rd country to embrace this right. At the same time, I am sensitive to the fact that many Canadians do disagree with this legislation, but I hope we can move on without too much division (as opposed to what Harper wants) and that people can calm down about it and just see how it goes.

What I'm really wondering now is whether, with the battle lost, Harper will shut up and settle down for the summer, or whether he will continue to try to use this to rip this country apart (my editorial bias is obvious - I admit!)

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Wed Jun 29, 2005 10:44 am

Good it's over. Lets move on.

Now, let those little swines in Ottawa have the Summer off to think of new ways to screw us.

Sorry....just in a bad mood.

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Wed Jun 29, 2005 10:48 am

I'm very disappointed in my home riding, Thunder Bay-Superior North. Joe Comuzzi resigned from cabinet rather than vote for same-sex marriage. Apparently this is what his constituents have wanted. I met him when he first ran for Parliament and thought he was a good guy. I guess he still is, but man, I'm glad I left Thunder Bay.
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Wed Jun 29, 2005 10:52 am

What I find strange is that Comuzzi felt he needed to leave Cabinet. As is well-known, the liberal leadership allowed a free vote of conscious among its members. Comuzzi could certainly have voted with his (or his constituents'( heart and still have kept his cabinet position. There is really no point in him making a big point about leaving, unless it is for intentional posturing for some reason.

I have spent some time in the Northern Manitoba riding this year, and there was huge pressure on their NDP MP to vote against the legislation, which would obviously be against the party line. I don't know how she ended up voting, as I'm not sure whether the NDP allowed this to be a free vote as well.
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RE: Canda: Same-sex Marriage Bill Is Passed.

Wed Jun 29, 2005 10:54 am

Congratulations Canada!

What I find sad however is the manner in which the conflict is framed:
...pitting supporters of equality rights against those who are defending religious freedoms...

I don't understand why these two principles have to be mutually exclusive. This is the very same argument I was making in the Civil Av thread about Airlines and Gay Rights:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...eneral_aviation/read.main/2192178/

How does extending equality rights to gay and lesbian couples in any way detract from the religious freedom of others (namely social conservatives)? How is my freedom to marry my partner in any way affect someone else's right to practice their religion? Does it in any way impinge on their ability to practise the rights or rituals of any religious denomination? Nobody is asking anyone to change their religious beliefs. I honestly don't get it.
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Wed Jun 29, 2005 10:55 am

Is there a list of who voted yay or nay?
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RE: Canada: Same-sex Marriage Bill Is Passed.

Wed Jun 29, 2005 10:57 am

Per the CBC, Cabinet ministers were expected to vote in line with the official Liberal party position - so for the legislation.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/natio...2005/06/28/comizzi-quit050628.html

Martin has said the vote on same-sex would be a free vote for backbench Liberals, but cabinet ministers are under orders to vote in favour of the bill.
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RE: Canada: Same-sex Marriage Bill Is Passed.

Wed Jun 29, 2005 11:02 am

I have always been a proud Canadian, but even more so after this legislation has passed.

Congratualtions Canada, once again, a world leader!
 
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RE: Canada: Same-sex Marriage Bill Is Passed.

Wed Jun 29, 2005 11:04 am

Quoting Jean Leloup (Thread starter):
What I'm really wondering now is whether, with the battle lost, Harper will shut up and settle down for the summer, or whether he will continue to try to use this to rip this country apart (my editorial bias is obvious - I admit!)

Unfortunately, I think Harper will continue to blab on about this topic forever more. He's already threatened that the "battle over marriage" isn't over yet. His rants on the BQ and NDP cooperating with the Liberals on the bill, have become pointless, and it simply doesn't help the image he's trying to create.

In reality, I think most Canadians are tired of the issue, and the majority have accepted the fact that same-sex marriage is here to stay. So Harper should really try finding another issue to concentrate on (i.e. Sponsorship Scandal). Gay marriage as an issue, isn't nearly as explosive in Canada as it is in the United States. So Harper: Stop stealing from Rove's Book!

On a positive note, this is good news for Canada, and it reaffirms my belief that Canada is one of the greatest places to live in the world.

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RE: Canada: Same-sex Marriage Bill Is Passed.

Wed Jun 29, 2005 11:31 am

Quoting PA110 (Reply 4):
What I find sad however is the manner in which the conflict is framed:
...pitting supporters of equality rights against those who are defending religious freedoms...

I don't understand why these two principles have to be mutually exclusive.

PA110,

The "concern" about same-sex rights impinging on religious freedoms is that the legislation might mean that religious organizations would be forced to marry people of the same sex when they did not agree with such a unions. Your suspcions are correct, though: this is not a legitimate concern, and this "fear" is really just a straw man for the Conservatives to attack. The fact is that religious officials are free to marry or not marry whomever they choose. No one can "force" a religious group to bless or conduct the marriage of any two heterosexual people, either. So this really makes no difference in this regard. It only allows religious groups MORE freedom in their handling of relationships, not less. However, many people refuse to see this and keep on fighting it under this false pretence.

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RE: Canada: Same-sex Marriage Bill Is Passed.

Wed Jun 29, 2005 11:42 am

A truly SAD day for Canada.

The issue, despite what the Gays say is NOT about Human Rights, but rather what WORD is used to define those rights.

Unable to define their own relationships with a word to define Homosexual or Lesbian Unions, they Hi-jacked the historical definition of the word Marriage. That of "One Man and One Woman".

I have absolutely no objection to Gay Unions, or whatever unique new word they wish to create to sanctify their unions. But for heaven's sake, why not let the term Marriage have its own unique definition. It's historical definition.

For me, this is truly a Sad Day for Canada and Traditional Marriage.
 
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RE: Canada: Same-sex Marriage Bill Is Passed.

Wed Jun 29, 2005 12:10 pm

Way to go Canada. Once again showing the world how progressive and forward-thinking you are.

And the US continues to play catch up!

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RE: Canada: Same-sex Marriage Bill Is Passed.

Wed Jun 29, 2005 12:18 pm

I was married in Toronto on February 28, 2004. I have been hoping this would be finalized and I could feel safe that my marriage would stay recognized.

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RE: Canada: Same-sex Marriage Bill Is Passed.

Wed Jun 29, 2005 12:33 pm

Great job Canada! One helluva country!

I would imagine that various hateful religious groups will continue to funnel money into Harper's pocket. He's found his bread-and-butter hot button issue, not for Canadians, but for thick-headed American contributors.

He should be quite well off down the road.
 
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RE: Canada: Same-sex Marriage Bill Is Passed.

Wed Jun 29, 2005 12:34 pm

Quoting Photopilot (Reply 10):
they Hi-jacked the historical definition of the word Marriage.

the historical definition of "racial relations" for many different groups of people has often included slavery, subjugation, prejudice, etc., etc. Just because something is based in antiquity doesn't make it just.

Slavery was the American South's "peculiar institution." Southerns like to justify it historically because the Roman Republic and Greek democracies had slaves, too. Also: Southern economy/society would collapse without slavery (interesting when you think about what is said now about including homosexuals in marriage).

Great for Canada!


Interestingly, though, slavery in America was historically unique in that you were born into slavery, whereas in Rome and Greece, you could be born of slave parents but be free. (but that's totally unrelated, just today's trivia)

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RE: Canada: Same-sex Marriage Bill Is Passed.

Wed Jun 29, 2005 12:50 pm

Good on ya Canada, It's nice to see that equality of rights for all people regardless of gender/sexual orientation has been considered, and put into law. For those that don't like it my answer to them is, that's cool - it's not like you have to marry a homosexual just because they want to marry the love of their life. If you have an attitude like that you're unlikely to have gay friends anyway so won't be going to their weddings anyway.. In short it won't affect you in the slightest... move on...
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RE: Canada: Same-sex Marriage Bill Is Passed.

Wed Jun 29, 2005 1:01 pm

Here's to Canada. A Lebatt's to any Canadian MP who takes me up on the offer. I am even more proud to say I have been recently dating a Canadian woman
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RE: Canada: Same-sex Marriage Bill Is Passed.

Wed Jun 29, 2005 1:44 pm

Quoting Jean Leloup (Reply 3):
What I find strange is that Comuzzi felt he needed to leave Cabinet. As is well-known, the liberal leadership allowed a free vote of conscious among its members. Comuzzi could certainly have voted with his (or his constituents'( heart and still have kept his cabinet position. There is really no point in him making a big point about leaving, unless it is for intentional posturing for some reason.

Cabinet was required to vote party line while the rest of the Liberal caucus was permitted to vote freely.

Quoting Jean Leloup (Reply 3):
I'm not sure whether the NDP allowed this to be a free vote as well.

I am 95% percent sure they were required to vote party line, howerver, there is always that 5%

Quoting SQuared (Reply 8):
Unfortunately, I think Harper will continue to blab on about this topic forever more. He's already threatened that the "battle over marriage" isn't over yet.

CBC was reporting that he has already stated that he would repeal the legislation following an open vote in Parliament if he is ever elected PM.

Quoting SQuared (Reply 8):
In reality, I think most Canadians are tired of the issue, and the majority have accepted the fact that same-sex marriage is here to stay.

Not quite a majority, actually it depends. Most polls on the issue usually fluctuate between the 45-55% range depending on the mood of the day, either being in favor or opposed to, however, most are usually in support of.
 
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RE: Canada: Same-sex Marriage Bill Is Passed.

Wed Jun 29, 2005 2:17 pm

Very, very unfortunate. I don't believe the fight is over yet.
 
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RE: Canada: Same-sex Marriage Bill Is Passed.

Wed Jun 29, 2005 2:18 pm

Quoting Basas (Reply 18):
Very, very unfortunate. I don't believe the fight is over yet.

Oh great, you. Typical one line response with no reasoning (if there is any).


Do enlighten us all.
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RE: Canada: Same-sex Marriage Bill Is Passed.

Wed Jun 29, 2005 2:21 pm

Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 19):
Oh great, you. Typical one line response with no reasoning (if there is any).


Do enlighten us all.

What reasoning do you want? Marriage is between one man, and one women. There, done.

The fight WILL continue. Alberta is still strongly against. Many in my home province are against. Conservatives, as a party, are against. Things could turn around.
 
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RE: Canada: Same-sex Marriage Bill Is Passed.

Wed Jun 29, 2005 2:23 pm

Quoting Basas (Reply 20):
Conservatives, as a party, are against.

Thank you, Captain obvious.

Quoting Basas (Reply 20):
Things could turn around.

Good luck with that.

What are your views on civil unions and the rights they contain?
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Wed Jun 29, 2005 2:26 pm

Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 21):
Thank you, Captain obvious.

My point is, if Conservatives can get into power, or increasing power, they may be able to do something about it.

Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 21):
What are your views on civil unions and the rights they contain?

I'm perfectly fine with Civil unions. Once again, it is the word 'marriage' that I have trouble with. The definition now being "between two persons", as opposed to "between one man, and one women". I don't think its right, and many other Canadians don't think its right. I do not believe the fight is over yet.
 
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RE: Canada: Same-sex Marriage Bill Is Passed.

Wed Jun 29, 2005 2:31 pm

Quoting Basas (Reply 22):
Once again, it is the word 'marriage' that I have trouble with.

Ok, fair enough. It will be much more difficult to repeal this once its been passed into law. A political see saw with this would surely be in the benefit of no one.

The people I have the most problem with is advocates of these state bannings of gay marriage in the states that also outlaw civil unions and MANY other rights. Also with President Bush speaking about his approval for a Constitutional amendment against gay marriage on one hand, then around debate time sounding compassionate and very much for equal rights granted via civil unions. I do have this question for the President and other conservatives: where is your civil union legislation?
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RE: Canada: Same-sex Marriage Bill Is Passed.

Wed Jun 29, 2005 2:40 pm

I'm all for civil rights for gay couples in Canada and elsewhere. It saddens me that in order to achieve that, a minority has changed an institution so important and sacred for most people.  worried 

However, I'm sure that people of good will in Canada an elsewhere will keep the good fight, defending family as the fundament of our society, and always doing it free of bigotry and prejudice against gays or any other group.  crossfingers 
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Wed Jun 29, 2005 2:44 pm

Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 24):
It saddens me that in order to achieve that, a minority has changed an institution so important and sacred for most people

It also saddens me that in order to achieve that, a minority has changed an institution so important and sacred for most people by legalizing marriages between different races. We all know that God intended races to be separate - why else would we have been made to look different? I'm sure that people of good will in the South and elsewhere will keep the good fight, defending family as the fundament of our society.

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Wed Jun 29, 2005 2:46 pm

Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 24):
and always doing it free of bigotry and prejudice against gays or any other group.

Now we both know that is just not going to happen.
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Wed Jun 29, 2005 8:25 pm

Quoting Basas (Reply 22):
My point is, if Conservatives can get into power, or increasing power, they may be able to do something about it.

In reality, about the only thing the Conservatives can really do about it is use the Notwithstanding Clause. This is not at all popular, because essentially it allows the government to subvert the constitution in regards to equality rights, for a period of 5 years. I'm not sure Harper would want to risk the firestorm related, if he enacted Section 33 of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

Quoting Basas (Reply 20):
Alberta is still strongly against.

It's funny, apparently even Klein doesn't oppose same-sex marriage. It's predominantly the Conservative back-benchers in the Alberta legislature that are opposed.

http://www.canada.com/edmonton/edmon...d5cad8-def1-40d7-976e-0cae2a6c39a1

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Wed Jun 29, 2005 8:37 pm

Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 24):
It saddens me that in order to achieve that, a minority has changed an institution so important and sacred for most people.

For non-religious people, marriage is just a civil contract signed, with both partners promising each other support and sharing of rights and duties, nothing more (I should know, I've been married twice).
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Wed Jun 29, 2005 8:56 pm

Yaay! Way to go Canada  praise 

I am glad to see that more and more countries are following the footsteps of the Netherlands. This is good news since it gets us closer to reaching equality in society.
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RE: Canada: Same-sex Marriage Bill Is Passed.

Wed Jun 29, 2005 9:02 pm

Who ever said Canadians did nothing but lick maple leaves? LOL. Good job Canada. Another victory for human rights! Now, just get your asses down to the states and set us on the right path.

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Wed Jun 29, 2005 9:24 pm

Quoting AC_A340 (Reply 7):
Congratualtions Canada, once again, a world leader!

You got that straight. (Pardon the pun).

Quoting Photopilot (Reply 10):
I have absolutely no objection to Gay Unions



Quoting Photopilot (Reply 10):
why not let the term Marriage have its own unique definition.

So you object to someone who says things like: 'The painting was a marriage of eastern and western styles'?

You're problem isn't with the grammar or vocab, admit it.

Quoting Basas (Reply 20):
What reasoning do you want? Marriage is between one man, and one women. There, done.

Not anymore. lol

I'm a married man, and my marriage or the sanctity of it hasn't been diminished in the slightest by this decision. I'm just glad that homosexuals will now be able to enjoy the legal aspect of this glorious thing called marriage.

Well done to my Canadian friends,

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Wed Jun 29, 2005 9:40 pm

Quoting Basas (Reply 22):
I don't think its right, and many other Canadians don't think its right. I do not believe the fight is over yet.

I don't think it was right, and many other Canadians also didn't think it was right, that a proportion of our population was being denied the right to marry. I don't believe the fight is over yet either, and I am sad about that. It should be over. Paul Martin's government has done the right thing.

"Marriage" is just a word. Two committed partners of the same sex marrying does not cheapen the word. People like Britney Spears and Jennifer Lopez cheapen the word more than allowing homosexual marriage ever will.
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Wed Jun 29, 2005 9:57 pm

Quoting AC_A340 (Reply 7):
Congratualtions Canada, once again, a world leader!

In what?

Quoting Basas (Reply 20):
What reasoning do you want? Marriage is between one man, and one women. There, done.

Couldn't agree more. If people want to be gay, fine by me, but there should be another term for marriage that should apply to homosexuals. Marriage, is between a MAN a WOMAN.
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Wed Jun 29, 2005 11:18 pm

Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 31):
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Quoting ScarletHarlot (Reply 32):
ScarletHarlot

It's always great to hear your perspective on these issues. Unfotrunately, not many people are as open-minded and compassionate as the two of you. I, for one, thank you for your support.
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Thu Jun 30, 2005 12:06 am

Quoting Jutes85 (Reply 33):
Couldn't agree more. If people want to be gay, fine by me, but there should be another term for marriage that should apply to homosexuals. Marriage, is between a MAN a WOMAN.

Why are you clinging so fiercely to the words? That definition came about in 1866 - the same era when slavery was rampant, bi-racial unions were illeagal, women didn't have the vote and homosexuality was a crime.

I really don't understand what you are scared of? You think that gay marriage will destroy or diminish the sanctity of heterosexual unions?
If you are of this opinion, I challenge you take a trip to the Las Vegas strip.

Homosexuals deserve the legal rights associated with marriage, just as they are afforded all other rights under law (or at least should). They are tax-paying citizens, often of secular states, the same secular-states that recognise marriage in a modern context as a legal union. Therefore, for a secular state to deny homosexuals access to a legal union is not only illogical, but it's also blatant discrimination.

No way this decision will be reversed. And I am bloody glad of that.

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Thu Jun 30, 2005 12:40 am

Quoting Xpat (Reply 34):
I, for one, thank you for your support.

Of course. What's the saying - "Straight but not narrow"? Gays are people just like the rest of us and deserve a loving relationship (and MARRIAGE!) as much as anyone.
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Thu Jun 30, 2005 5:10 am

Over time the issue will become insignificant. The definition of marriage is just a paradigm. Paradigms are constantly changing.

I make a comparisson to slavery. Before its abolishment, it was considered "normal" for whites to enslave African-Americans. After it was made illegal, many people still considered slavery to be "normal". Now, several generations later, slavery is not normal. The paradigm has shifted. The whole issue of inter-racial relations (which I have no objection against) can be used as another analogy.

The point is, people will accept the new definition of marriage over time, it just involves a paradigm shift.

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Thu Jun 30, 2005 5:21 am

Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 24):
It saddens me that in order to achieve that, a minority has changed an institution so important and sacred for most people.

What sacred thoughts go through the minds of these people when they cheat on their spouses, or when they divorce each other, or when they simply just detest each other?

Goddamnit comes to mind.

Congratulations Canada ! You've marched into the 21st Century.
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RE: Canada: Same-sex Marriage Bill Is Passed.

Thu Jun 30, 2005 6:03 am

The "vote is about the Charter of Rights," said Martin. "We're a nation of minorities and in a nation of minorities you don't cherry-pick rights."

And with that, my respect for Martin goes up quite a few notches. Nice to see we finally finished what Trudeau started in 1969.
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Thu Jun 30, 2005 6:31 am

SFOMEX...

If you are so against Gay Marriage, then dont marry a guy.

See is that simple.
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Thu Jun 30, 2005 6:41 am

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 40):
SFOMEX...

If you are so against Gay Marriage, then dont marry a guy

Indeed.

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Thu Jun 30, 2005 6:52 am

Canada: Please annex US.

ASAP!
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RE: Canada: Same-sex Marriage Bill Is Passed.

Thu Jun 30, 2005 6:58 am

I love how the backwards rural Albertans suddenly jumped up and declared war on the rest of Canada for allowing such blasphemy to become law...

Forgetting that the rest of Canada stopped giving a crap about Alberta a long long time ago... the sabre rattling is laughable at best... Alberta's best accomplishment has been it's ability to bitch and complain about everything, but never being able to table any valuable or viable solutions.

To those whacko Albertans who can't jump into the 21st century... move to Kansas where you belong!
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Thu Jun 30, 2005 8:57 am

Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 24):
However, I'm sure that people of good will in Canada an elsewhere will keep the good fight, defending family as the fundament of our society, and always doing it free of bigotry and prejudice against gays or any other group.

Please give it a rest, your 100 posts against anything "gay" is gettig so old, and no one (except you and AllstarFlyer) seem to care.

I just hope you don't pass your bias onto the high school students you teach.
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Thu Jun 30, 2005 1:01 pm

Quoting A332 (Reply 43):
To those whacko Albertans who can't jump into the 21st century... move to Kansas where you belong!

Don't forget everyone is entitled to their opinion.

I have no problem with this ruling.
Canada is all about tolerance,after all,even for "whacko" Albertans.

If you don't like Alberta , you are free to leave at any time.

[Edited 2005-06-30 06:02:58]
 
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RE: Canada: Same-sex Marriage Bill Is Passed.

Thu Jun 30, 2005 1:28 pm

Quoting Jutes85 (Reply 33):
Marriage, is between a MAN a WOMAN.

I like how social conservatives seemed more eager in this debate to define marriage by sex rather than by love. Ironic.
 
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RE: Canada: Same-sex Marriage Bill Is Passed.

Thu Jun 30, 2005 3:40 pm

Well done Canada.
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RE: Canada: Same-sex Marriage Bill Is Passed.

Thu Jun 30, 2005 6:12 pm

The legalization of same-sex marriage in Canada to me it is a deep insult to and creates great difficulty for people of traditional faith to be involved in government. It will disenfranchise almost any Roman Catholic from being in a place of authority as to conducting or registering civil marriages as they will be required to authorize same-sex marriages that are against their faith teachings. Such people, under threat of Excommunication or denial of the Sacraments of the Roman Catholic Church, may be forced to resign from their faith or no longer be able to hold such government offices. In effect, they are being denied their civil rights as to freedom of religion. It also may deny people of other faiths such as Islam from participation in government for similar reasons and deny their civil rights as well.
 
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RE: Canada: Same-sex Marriage Bill Is Passed.

Thu Jun 30, 2005 6:43 pm

Quote:
The legalization of same-sex marriage in Canada to me it is a deep insult to and creates great difficulty for people of traditional faith to be involved in government.

Not unless their only reason for being involved with the government is due to their faith. I'm not completely clear on the U.S situation; but in the U.K, we do have some people involved in the government for no other reason other than their religion permits them to have some influence. If these laws eliminate these people, then that's just fine by me as they should never have been given a platform in the first place. After all, I don't see any atheists occupying a government position because of their atheism.

Anyway ...

We can now add Spain to the list  Smile

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...630/ap_on_re_eu/spain_gay_marriage

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