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Lexus Is 300

Tue Jul 05, 2005 1:59 am

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v707/THarm688/IS-242_lg.jpg

I've decided to look for a new car, and have my eyes set on this one. Does anyone here own one or had any experiences with one? Looking for opinions or problems you or anyone you know has had with it, and is it worth what you pay for it?

I love my Trans Am, but want and need a new car. Your opinions are appreciated.
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RE: Lexus Is 300

Tue Jul 05, 2005 2:06 am

If your going to buy one or any 'new' car, buy it used. Let some other sucker take the depreciation. Of all the cars, Lexus tends to hold its value though. But for the same money you can get a nice BMW 3 Series...
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RE: Lexus Is 300

Tue Jul 05, 2005 2:18 am

Don't waste your money, because a brand-new, far superior IS (IS 250 and IS 350) is coming out in a few months:

http://www.akdal.ru/live/news.asp?id=10052152
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RE: Lexus Is 300

Tue Jul 05, 2005 2:20 am

Lexus = Toyota with more fake chrome

Depreciation is hideous. Do they sell the Avensis in the USA?

Much lower depreciation and every bit as good as a Lexass with better fuel economy too.
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RE: Lexus Is 300

Tue Jul 05, 2005 2:24 am

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 1):
But for the same money you can get a nice BMW 3 Series...

This man has sense! Big grin

If it was my money, I'd go for a 3 Series of some kind. They really are something. With this car you are getting superb reliability, exceptional safety, an excellent level of comfort, and not only that, I think this car looks gorgeous.  Smile

What kind of money do you have to spend, Travis?

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RE: Lexus Is 300

Tue Jul 05, 2005 2:53 am

Don't listen to the Brits. The Lexus is a fine automobile that is not appreciated across the pond. Usually the Brits are right when arguing with Americans on cars, but they don't give Lexus the credit it deserves. Depreciation on the Lexus in North America is very weak, so they do maintain their value just as well as a BMW or Mercedes.

The IS300 is a fantastic car, and of course its value will drop once the new, far better one is out. This will make the IS300 a fantastic value for a great automobile. I highly recommend it!
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RE: Lexus Is 300

Tue Jul 05, 2005 2:58 am

Quoting Jkw777 (Reply 4):
What kind of money do you have to spend, Travis?

Justin, I was looking in the 30-35,000 range. I've also looked at the BMW 3 series, they are also very nice. Having trouble deciding between the Lex and the Beamer.

Gomes, thanks for the recommendation.
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RE: Lexus Is 300

Tue Jul 05, 2005 3:06 am

While I would prefer a 3 series BMW over a Lexus, it's worth noting that the Is300 comes with free Lexus lights  wink 

I had to pay a little under £100 to get Lexus lights on my Astra!

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RE: Lexus Is 300

Tue Jul 05, 2005 3:08 am

Quoting Usairwys757 (Reply 6):
Justin, I was looking in the 30-35,000 range. I've also looked at the BMW 3 series, they are also very nice. Having trouble deciding between the Lex and the Beamer.

You can get a lot of car for that sort of money, as far as I know. A fully loaded 330I sounds nice to me, I can most definitely recommend it! Test drive both, but I think the BMW would come out on top.

The 330I vs the IS300...

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RE: Lexus Is 300

Tue Jul 05, 2005 3:57 am

A fully loaded 330I sounds nice to me, I can most definitely recommend it!

Yeah, I recommend it also, but it starts at $36,300, fully loaded at nearly 50 grand, it seems like far more then he wants to spend.

I've driven quite a few IS300's, and they are a very nice car, although I would wait for the next generation IS this fall. Take a look at the new Audi A4.
 
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RE: Lexus Is 300

Tue Jul 05, 2005 4:01 am

Dumb Question?

With all the rebates (employee prices for everyone, etc) you can get from GM, isn't their an American car that you could see yourself driving?
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RE: Lexus Is 300

Tue Jul 05, 2005 4:02 am

I work in finance so here's a little advice.

Don't buy new. Almost any new car drops in value by 15-20% immediately. If you want to know what a car is worth, I have access to a site through work and can get you the value of anything you want.

Lexus holds their value well. I did a loan on an IS 300 a while back and it was still worth about $18k even though it was 4 years old.

I actually highly recommend the Infiniti G35. Holds it's value great and you can get all the options and be out the door at around $35k.
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RE: Lexus Is 300

Tue Jul 05, 2005 4:53 am

DTWClipper, for some of us, American cars just aren't as appealing. However, there have been some exceptions lately. The new Chrysler 300M and Dodge Charger are extremely interesting alternatives for very good prices. But if Travis is like me, he might want something a bit smaller and sportier. From GM, there is the Cadillac CTS whcih is quite interesting and competitive, but it doesn't do anything for me either, except perhaps the Z06 powered version, but that's a whole different ball game. Ford has .... well, nothing.

In an international economy, you are not helping your fellow Americans by purchasing what might be to you an inferior product. The best way for the local companies to improve is for people to backlash against mediocrity, which is what's been happening with the American Big Three for a long time now. The end result is they are now producing far superior products when compared to just a few years ago.

So sure, buy American, but ONLY if you really want to. Really, buy what you want.  Smile
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RE: Lexus Is 300

Tue Jul 05, 2005 5:01 am

I like the VW Vento. It's a good car, go buy one of those second hand.
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RE: Lexus Is 300

Tue Jul 05, 2005 5:05 am

Hey- how about neither the Lexus or the BMW? Go for the Infiniti G35! Same price, GREAT car! And if not that, try a Saab 9-3- it drives WONDERFULLY. My mom has the G35 and my dad has the 9-3, and they love them both very much!

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RE: Lexus Is 300

Tue Jul 05, 2005 5:19 am

Quoting Myt332 (Reply 13):
I like the VW Vento. It's a good car, go buy one of those second hand.

Wise, wise man!

Quoting JBLUA320 (Reply 14):
Hey- how about neither the Lexus or the BMW? Go for the Infiniti G35! Same price, GREAT car! And if not that, try a Saab 9-3- it drives WONDERFULLY

Saabs just aren't the same anymore.  Sad The G35 is a great contender though! My choices are the BMW 3 Series or an Audi A4. The Audi from 2004 onwards has improved immensely in reliability too, so it's worth a closer look just for that reason alone. It is widely expected that Audi will be in the top 5 for quality and reliability, and far ahead of its German competitors. Unfortunately German cars have slipped in these areas in the last decade or so. It's nice to see at least Audi taking great initiatives! On a similar note, Porsche is often very near the top of these rankings too, but they don't make a sports sedan to compete with the 3 Series.  Wink
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RE: Lexus Is 300

Tue Jul 05, 2005 6:42 am

I just bought an IS 300 [no leasing for that specific car in Costa Rica] three weeks ago. No regrets at all. Just an extraordinary car in its type!
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RE: Lexus Is 300

Tue Jul 05, 2005 7:18 am

How about getting one of these  wink 

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RE: Lexus Is 300

Tue Jul 05, 2005 7:53 am

If I had the money (to insure the bloody thing!) I'd have a Monaro.

Branded as Vauxhall here, it's two tons of Australian muscle made by Holden. Brilliant car, not sure if Chevrolet do it in the USA.

5.7 litre V8, or a bonecrunching 6.0 litre VXR
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RE: Lexus Is 300

Tue Jul 05, 2005 8:06 am

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 18):
Brilliant car, not sure if Chevrolet do it in the USA.

Not Chevrolet, but the Pontiac GTO. I'd rather have the Monaro.
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RE: Lexus Is 300

Tue Jul 05, 2005 8:13 am

You can get soooooooo much more for the money with other cars. I don't believe in these cars like the 325 and the IS300 because they are at the bottom of a luxury line of cars. You are paying a lot of money for not a lot of things. I mean, the car is not ugly by no means but you could get a lot more. You mentioned 30-35,000 is how much you want to spend...that will NOT buy you a lot of features on the IS300. A nicely equipped IS300 could be up closer to the 40,000 mark. My recommendation would be the Chrysler 300C but that car, fully loaded is $45,000. But honestly, for that price range you put...any car will get you the same. Whether it is the CTS, G35, IS300, TL...they all run for that amount of money and you get the same...it all comes down to what you think looks nicers. Another thing to look at, the IS300 isn't going to give you much room. You would get room in the CTS or G35. One more thing to consider is that the IS300 is highly seen as a chick car...don't know if that holds true elsewhere but that's how it is around here.
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RE: Lexus Is 300

Tue Jul 05, 2005 8:30 am

Quoting CORULEZ05 (Reply 20):
My recommendation would be the Chrysler 300C but that car, fully loaded is $45,000.

A Chrysler 300C Hemi with navigation and sunroof is less than $37k.

Quoting CORULEZ05 (Reply 20):
A nicely equipped IS300 could be up closer to the 40,000 mark.

A loaded IS300 costs $33,749. There is only one option package.

A great value right now, IMO, is the new Audi A3. Loaded with navigation, premium package, and panoramic roof, it is just under $32k, and the car is a real looker (if you like the European hot hatch look, as I do). Great value, fun car.

The best value in this class is the Acura TL. Fully loaded, with navigation (the only option), the car is $35,100. Fast and sleek.

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RE: Lexus Is 300

Tue Jul 05, 2005 8:40 am

I don't believe in these cars like the 325 and the IS300 because they are at the bottom of a luxury line of cars.

So? The BMW 325i and IS300 are both some of the best, if not the best (325i) cars in their category. It's money well spent with either choice.

Another thing to look at, the IS300 isn't going to give you much room. You would get room in the CTS or G35.

Considering they all are nearly the same size, neither one has much of an advantage as far as leg room is concerned.

A nicely equipped IS300 could be up closer to the 40,000 mark

Incorrect as MAH pointed out.
 
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RE: Lexus Is 300

Tue Jul 05, 2005 8:45 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 21):
A Chrysler 300C Hemi with navigation and sunroof is less than $37k

AH yes the Brampton Ontario built 300, now there is also a new version of that car coming with a SRT-8 6.1L V8 Hemi that pumps 425Hp. That is a nice car!!!!
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RE: Lexus Is 300

Tue Jul 05, 2005 8:46 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 21):
A Chrysler 300C Hemi with navigation and sunroof is less than $37k.

you are gonna tell that to someone who owns a FULLY loaded 300C and I payed $45,000 how much it costs? Perhaps NOW they are 37k because they have been out for a year now but I got mine when it FIRST came out and they were over pricing it perhaps. Besides, navigation and sunroof...you think those are the ONLY options that come with that car? Well, you forgot the wireless phone, park assist, high intensity lights, among others....

All those prices you are talking about are fine and all but he would get more with other brand of cars such as the 300C. However, the 300C is much bigger but hey, you are getting 340 hp and a Hemi V8.
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RE: Lexus Is 300

Tue Jul 05, 2005 9:25 am

Dealers in TN were charging list (and sometimes a bit more premium) for loaded 300C Hemis last Nov. when we bought ours. We shelled out $300. to Southwest Airlines for a couple of oneway tickets to DTW and picked ours up there for about $5000.00 off list. The new -charged SRT Hemis will probably command list at first, and even longer in markets where dealer allocation is few per month, but will eventually drop. So shop around.

Buying used (but with a super warranty) is probably the best financially for most. As mentioned before, let the other guy take the initial depreciation. However, MY personal attitude is buy it new (I don't plan on selling or trading it in next year anyway, so initial depreciation isn't that important to me), plus, if the car is going to be wrecked or have the piss beat out of it, I'M going to be the one to do it, not some other previous owner who might very well be a non-machinery oriented clown.

I just bought a new 4X4 Chev long-bed for farm work and hill-clearing. With less than 800 miles on it, I should imagine that bodywork and other detail amenities would already be in the $1000.00-plus range. Why buy it new to tear up? Because I wanted a new work truck that I won't have to worry about whether the other guy changed fluids regularly or abused the transfer case or locker, red-necked-rigged other repairs, etc. If you want something that you are going to keep for a while, buy it new and maintain it. My opinion, only...regards...Jack
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RE: Lexus Is 300

Tue Jul 05, 2005 9:36 am

Jack, I agree with you. My philosophy is to buy something nice, that you would want to keep for a while, and take care of it properly. People who buy new cars every three years, or continuously lease, are paying through the nose for the perceived luxury of driving a new car. I like new cars like anybody else, but there are more important things for me to worry about these days than to replace my 8 year old VW. Plus, when the time comes that I do decide to get a new vehicle, I will definitely treat myself, but it will stay with me for the long run.
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RE: Lexus Is 300

Tue Jul 05, 2005 10:14 am

For some nice pics of the Audi A3, for the sake of comparison, you can check this ebay listing for a black on tan demo that is for sale ...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...8492&category=6055&sspagename=WDVW
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RE: Lexus Is 300

Tue Jul 05, 2005 11:36 am

Quoting Captaingomes (Reply 12):
The new Chrysler 300M and Dodge Charger

It's a Chrysler 300C. The only reason I am nit-picking at this is because the 300M is a gross p.o.s. and the 300C is a much needed improvement.

Quoting JBLUA320 (Reply 14):
And if not that, try a Saab 9-3- it drives WONDERFULLY.

He didn't specify what he wants engine wise really, but it should be noted that the 9-3 comes with an inline 4 rather then six cylinders like the competition.

Quoting CORULEZ05 (Reply 20):
I don't believe in these cars like the 325 and the IS300 because they are at the bottom of a luxury line of cars.

What a garbage statement. You have got to be kidding me man. Yes, they are the cheaper of the "luxury" bunch, but that does not mean they are garbage. They are made more affordable, yet drive wonderfully, and have the amenities to satisfy just about anyone.

Quoting CORULEZ05 (Reply 24):
you are gonna tell that to someone who owns a FULLY loaded 300C and I payed $45,000 how much it costs?

Just because you got a jacked up price, does NOT mean he will pay the same gross amount buddy. As for your beloved 300C, sure it may come at a comparable or perhaps cheaper price, but you also have to level with the fact that it is a Chrysler product. Therefore it will depreciate faster and face more reliability issues then say an IS300 or G35. The 330i and A4 are also in the same ballpark when it comes to reliability.


If I were in the market for such cars, I would look at the IS300, G35, TL, and possibly the Nissan Altima SE-R. Reason being:

Lexus IS300
Pros: A lot of bang for the buck, great reliability and depreciation.
Cons: The underpowered of the bunch.

Infiniti G35
Pros: Drives like a German car, most horsepower of the bunch.
Cons: Sometimes iffy build quality.

Acura TL
Pros: Faster then most at a lower price
Cons: Front wheel drive

Nissan Altima SE-R
Pros: Cheaper then others by far, and very fast.
Cons: Not a "luxury" car.

To sum it up, would I buy the IS300? Yes with no hesitation.


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RE: Lexus Is 300

Tue Jul 05, 2005 11:46 am

If you like the IS300 then get it, you should be able to negotiate a good deal since the new model will be arriving this fall. Question is, will you second guess yourself when the new model arrives?

I just traded my '05 325i for an '06 330i, same two options - steptronic and leather. Made money on the '05 and got a decent deal on the '06, 37K out the door, it stickered at 38.5K E90 is a much better car than the E46, but the E46 is a great car.
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RE: Lexus Is 300

Tue Jul 05, 2005 11:53 am

Quoting JetsGo (Reply 28):
Yes, they are the cheaper of the "luxury" bunch, but that does not mean they are garbage

I don't believe I said garbage ANYWHERE in my post. I simply said that they are at the bottom of the luxury brand of cars and you don't get as much as you would with other brands. NOTHING being sad about them being garbage at all.

Quoting JetsGo (Reply 28):
Just because you got a jacked up price, does NOT mean he will pay the same gross amount buddy

When the car FIRST came out which is when I got mine, the prices were higher ANYWHERE you went. I had my CUSTOMIZED ORDER placed months and months before the first one ever came out for sale. What does that tell you? I was ONE OF THE FIRST to have the car which means I payed more. Are they cheaper now? Of course they are cheaper because they have been around for a year.

Quoting JetsGo (Reply 28):
As for your beloved 300C, sure it may come at a comparable or perhaps cheaper price, but you also have to level with the fact that it is a Chrysler product. Therefore it will depreciate faster and face more reliability issues then say an IS300 or G35. The 330i and A4 are also in the same ballpark when it comes to reliability.

As for depreciation, I really don't care what it is worth now because I OWN THE CAR...as in paid cash for it at the time of purchase. It could be worth $2 today, I could care less. I love the car and the value it has means nothing to me. So just because you get an IS or G35 you are guaranteed reliability? I have several friends who have bought BRAND NEW cars of these brands that have had problems. Example, one of my friends had a BMW 330i, 2 months after she got it, the car broke down and had to be towed to the dealership. So, reliablity is NOT guaranteed with the brand of the car.

Quoting JetsGo (Reply 28):
To sum it up, would I buy the IS300? Yes with no hesitation.

Well, there ya go Travis. He has made the decision for you....lol
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RE: Lexus Is 300

Tue Jul 05, 2005 11:55 am

"It's a Chrysler 300C. The only reason I am nit-picking at this is because the 300M is a gross p.o.s. and the 300C is a much needed improvement."

You're absolutely right, and I'm embarassed to make that mistake! The 300C is a far superior product to the 300M.
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RE: Lexus Is 300

Tue Jul 05, 2005 12:02 pm

Quoting CORULEZ05 (Reply 30):
When the car FIRST came out which is when I got mine, the prices were higher ANYWHERE you went. I had my CUSTOMIZED ORDER placed months and months before the first one ever came out for sale. What does that tell you? I was ONE OF THE FIRST to have the car which means I payed more. Are they cheaper now? Of course they are cheaper because they have been around for a year.

If you agree that they are cheaper now, then why bring up the fact that you payed 45k?

Quoting CORULEZ05 (Reply 30):
So just because you get an IS or G35 you are guaranteed reliability? I have several friends who have bought BRAND NEW cars of these brands that have had problems. Example, one of my friends had a BMW 330i, 2 months after she got it, the car broke down and had to be towed to the dealership. So, reliablity is NOT guaranteed with the brand of the car.

I could have worded it better, but the German cars suffer the same reliability issues as the Americans. Reason being for your friends incident. And yes, I do believe that when you buy a Japanese product, you are buying more reliability. Toyota, Honda, and Nissan all consistantly rank higher than the Americans in reliability ratings.

Quoting CORULEZ05 (Reply 30):
Well, there ya go Travis. He has made the decision for you....lol

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RE: Lexus Is 300

Tue Jul 05, 2005 12:05 pm

get either a BMW 325i or an Audi A4 3.2 or a A3 w/ DSG.... the IS300 is going to be redesigned soon (w/in the next year), so dont waste ur money on it. On the other hand, the BMW & the Audis have all JUST recieved brand new designs. Happy driving.

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You get the idea.

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RE: Lexus Is 300

Tue Jul 05, 2005 12:12 pm

Quoting Captaingomes (Reply 31):
You're absolutely right, and I'm embarassed to make that mistake! The 300C is a far superior product to the 300M.

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RE: Lexus Is 300

Tue Jul 05, 2005 1:07 pm

Quoting CORULEZ05 (Reply 24):
you are gonna tell that to someone who owns a FULLY loaded 300C and I payed $45,000 how much it costs? Perhaps NOW they are 37k because they have been out for a year now but I got mine when it FIRST came out and they were over pricing it perhaps. Besides, navigation and sunroof...you think those are the ONLY options that come with that car? Well, you forgot the wireless phone, park assist, high intensity lights, among others....

You got ripped off or decided to pay a premium to have the car early.

All I said that a Chrysler 300C with Nav and Sunroof cost less than $37k and, guess what, it does! I said nothing incorrect in my post.

And the retail prices for the car have not gone down. In fact, they have gone up very slightly. Dealers just aren't adding on ridiculous mark-ups (which most people have to complete morons to pay, because it's not that difficult to get out of them, as I have done many times). With every single possible factory option, a 2006 Chrysler 300C RWD is $39,925. A loaded 2005 Chrysler 300C, with every single option, was $39,630.

I was just car shopping this past weekend, and everywhere I go, windo stickers would have these ridiculous $1,000-$2,000 mark-ups with things sayings like "Florida Prep Package" or "Security Convience Group". Ridiculous mark-ups that, sadly, people pay. Because they go to the dealer, see these sticker prices, haggle down, and then end up paying around MSRP, when in reality you should start dealing at MSRP.
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RE: Lexus Is 300

Tue Jul 05, 2005 1:10 pm

Quoting Captaingomes (Reply 12):
the Cadillac CTS whcih is quite interesting and competitive, but it doesn't do anything for me either, except perhaps the Z06 powered version

Captaingomes, there is no Z06-powered version of the CTS. The performance branch of Cadillac is the V-series (although the CTS-V has the OLD Corvette Z06 engine, tweaked for a little LESS power and more economical driving). Only the Chevrolet Corvette has a Z06 label, and the new Z06 has 500 HP!!!! Nice job on the GM part...1 for 3. Also, the CTS is going out of production, to be replaced by the far superior STS.

Usairways757, as to your dilemma. The New York Times did a long article last Sunday comparing the G35 and similar cars in its class, and the G35 came out WELL on top. Car and Driver did a similar test and also loved the G35. The IS was up top a few years ago, but with little change in the last 4 years it has now dropped quite significantly. The new 3-series is too new to get reliable stats on, but it seems to be a great automobile.

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RE: Lexus Is 300

Tue Jul 05, 2005 1:32 pm

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 36):
Also, the CTS is going out of production, to be replaced by the far superior STS.

No it isn't.

The CTS is an entry level luxury sedan that replaced the Catera. The STS is a mid-level luxury sedan (ala E-Class, 5-Series) that replaced the Seville. The cars have nothing to do with each other outside of the fact they are Cadillacs.
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Tue Jul 05, 2005 1:35 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 37):
No it isn't.

Thanks for not being blatant...haha...thank you for the correction, I was misled by that commercial with with lightning strikes that says, "First it was the CTS. Now comes the all new STS from Cadillac." I assumed (wrongly) that the STS was a replacement.

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RE: Lexus Is 300

Tue Jul 05, 2005 1:42 pm

grrrrrrrr, the CTS-V is powered by the previous generation Z06 Chevrolet Corvette engine, hence why I said it's the Z06 powered CTS. Let's not get too picky! Also, the CTS-V has 400 hp, the Z06 has 405. I wouldn't go as far as saying it's been detuned for economical driving. It has more likely to do with exhaust, or other components than actually detuning the engine.
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RE: Lexus Is 300

Tue Jul 05, 2005 8:36 pm

Captaingomes is correct in assuming the HP reduction in CTS-V is due to exhaust restrictions because of platform design.

Also, the new 500 HP ZO6 for 2006 is pretty much a hand-built, dyno run-in powerplant that shares a bevy of unique features not found in any other Corvette or Cad product. The new STS-V Northstar also features supercharging as does the (non-variable valved and larger CID Hemi) 300C SRT-8.

Anyway, it's nice to see a "horsepower race" brewing amongst the luxo/entry luxo brands (FoMoCo; where are you?), however, miscellaneous ramblings from Detroit allude to government and insurance companies becoming somewhat nervous (again). I hope the manufacturers, including foreign competition, stay the straight and keep offering exciting product without fear of reprisals. Regards...Jack
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