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Man Arrested For Using Someone Elses Wi-Fi Network

Fri Jul 08, 2005 12:37 am

 
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RE: Man Arrested For Using Someone Elses Wi-Fi Network

Fri Jul 08, 2005 1:16 am

This is an interesting precedent because I know that there are many people that regularly mooch internet.
 
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RE: Man Arrested For Using Someone Elses Wi-Fi Network

Fri Jul 08, 2005 1:40 am

Quoting Clickhappy (Thread starter):
Why not just secure it?

Because that would require intelligence!!!

I'm pretty sure this article discusses this issue: http://www.tomshardware.com/column/20040430/index.html

I think if you are on YOUR property and someone's signal is comming to you it's your right to use it.. Be very interesting to see how the case law comes out on this.
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RE: Man Arrested For Using Someone Elses Wi-Fi Network

Fri Jul 08, 2005 1:47 am

But really, how hard is it to enable WEP? It takes all of 2 minutes. Sure it isn't the most secure, but it is the equivalent of a deadbolt on your front door. From my house I get signals from 6 other wireless networks. Of those, only two are secure.
 
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RE: Man Arrested For Using Someone Elses Wi-Fi Network

Fri Jul 08, 2005 2:02 am

Around my house I get signals of 4 other WLANs, all are secured. Here we have had many reports about this problem in the media.

As Clickhappy said, it`s really no problem to secure a WLAN. These who let there doors open, shouldn`t be suprised about peoples coming in.

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RE: Man Arrested For Using Someone Elses Wi-Fi Network

Fri Jul 08, 2005 2:11 am

I frequently use others' wi-fi when I'm not at home. I'm not on their property and I do no harm, so what's the big deal?

[Edited 2005-07-07 19:11:47]
 
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RE: Man Arrested For Using Someone Elses Wi-Fi Network

Fri Jul 08, 2005 2:12 am

im the king of piggybacking, haha. If you're not smart enough to take the 2 mins or whatever to figure out how to secure your network then you should be prepared to have other people mooch. I don't do anything to their computers or their network other than use it their internet connection.
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RE: Man Arrested For Using Someone Elses Wi-Fi Network

Fri Jul 08, 2005 4:45 am

I've been using someones else's wifi for the past month of so until a couple of days ago when they added a network key (damn!). If they're dumb enough not to protect it, I'm smart enough to ''borrow'' it!
back to crappy dial-up now but luckily i think the preview has convinced my mum to get broadband again and hopefully a wireless router.
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RE: Man Arrested For Using Someone Elses Wi-Fi Network

Fri Jul 08, 2005 4:45 am

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 6):
don't do anything to their computers or their network other than use it their internet connection.

So, you're a thief. Something to be proud of. The person, group, whatever you're stealing from pays for the service. He pays for the service for his exclusive use, not to share it (I assume). Yes, he should secure it, but maybe he doesn't know how. Why should it be incumbant on the owner of the connection to prevent YOU from using it?

There is a law here in the DFW area, maybe it's a state law, that infuriates me. It says that a car owner can be prosecuted for leaving his car running. In short the law says that it's the car owners fault for ALLOWING his car to get stolen if he leaves his keys in it.

I imagine they'll soon prosecute for unlocked homes and sheds. Unlocked cars will become illegal. Hey unsecured networks will soon follow. All because some people choose to STEAL.

Planespotting and Brettbrett21, you're both thieves, by your own admission.

[Edited 2005-07-07 21:48:04]
 
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RE: Man Arrested For Using Someone Elses Wi-Fi Network

Fri Jul 08, 2005 4:49 am

Can someone knowlegeable post instructions on how to secure a network? There's plenty of information on WHAT to do, but I haven't found much on HOW.
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RE: Man Arrested For Using Someone Elses Wi-Fi Network

Fri Jul 08, 2005 4:59 am

There are tons of resources, a good one is www.DSLReports.com

First thing to do is change the default SSID. For a Linksys router it is "Linksys" for a Dlink it is "default" etc etc Anyone looking for a network can learn what type of hardware you are using based on what your default SSID is, so change it.

Then, using your routers Admin tool, change your password. Most are username: Admin and the password is blank. So if someone sees you are using a Linksys router, with the default SSID they can probably guess you haven't changed your Admin password OR your default IP, and could log right in and take over your router. Not good.

WEP is pretty easy, 64-bit uses a 10digit key, and when you log in from a wireless client (IE your laptop computer) you will need to have this Key in order to access the network.
 
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RE: Man Arrested For Using Someone Elses Wi-Fi Network

Fri Jul 08, 2005 4:59 am

Quoting Air2gxs (Reply 8):
Planespotting and Brettbrett21, you're both thieves, by your own admission.

so?

Quoting Air2gxs (Reply 8):
There is a law here in the DFW area, maybe it's a state law, that infuriates me. It says that a car owner can be prosecuted for leaving his car running. In short the law says that it's the car owners fault for ALLOWING his car to get stolen if he leaves his keys in it.

well...yeah...
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RE: Man Arrested For Using Someone Elses Wi-Fi Network

Fri Jul 08, 2005 5:03 am

Look into the documentation of your router and your computer WiFi component.

You need to set up a WEP password protection. The older WPA protection scheme has already been invalidated by recent hacking strategies. WEP is still relatively(!) secure at this time.
 
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RE: Man Arrested For Using Someone Elses Wi-Fi Network

Fri Jul 08, 2005 5:04 am

Quoting Air2gxs (Reply 8):
So, you're a thief. Something to be proud of.

How is utilizing something that someone is BROADCASTING INTO YOUR HOME STEALING?

Quoting Air2gxs (Reply 8):
I assume

You know what they say about assuming...ass

Quoting Air2gxs (Reply 8):
Yes, he should secure it, but maybe he doesn't know how

And that's their problem why?
(I would say 'our', but I have broadband myself so I have no need to 'borrow' a WAP)

Quoting Air2gxs (Reply 8):
Why should it be incumbant on the owner of the connection to prevent YOU from using it?

Because it is easy to protect what is YOURS.

Quoting Air2gxs (Reply 8):
There is a law here in the DFW area, maybe it's a state law, that infuriates me. It says that a car owner can be prosecuted for leaving his car running. In short the law says that it's the car owners fault for ALLOWING his car to get stolen if he leaves his keys in it.

You really are dense..aren't you?

Quoting Air2gxs (Reply 8):
Planespotting and Brettbrett21, you're both thieves, by your own admission.

It has yet to be proven in ANY court of law that this is such a crime, or much less be legislated against.

Quoting LHMARK (Reply 9):
Can someone knowlegeable post instructions on how to secure a network? There's plenty of information on WHAT to do, but I haven't found much on HOW.

RTFM.. Each router has it's own twist.
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RE: Man Arrested For Using Someone Elses Wi-Fi Network

Fri Jul 08, 2005 5:15 am

The documentation that came with my Linksys wireless-g. router was unbelievably flimsy, relying on the config wizard to take care of everything. The website offered little more practical instruction.

Oh well, a buddy of mine is an MCSE. I'll get him to walk me through it. Until then, Planespotting, stay away from my house!  Smile
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RE: Man Arrested For Using Someone Elses Wi-Fi Network

Fri Jul 08, 2005 5:26 am

Quoting LHMARK (Reply 14):
The website offered little more practical instruction

It should have the specific Admin guide which should tell you how to do it..just make sure you have the same/similar instructions on your WNIC.
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RE: Man Arrested For Using Someone Elses Wi-Fi Network

Fri Jul 08, 2005 5:43 am

What you guys are doing is taking advantage of the victim because he chooses not to or can't secure his network. By your logic, he gets what's coming to him.

So, is rape OK when a woman (or girl) dresses provacatively? She chooses to dress that way, usually knowing full well she will excite men.

Why can't you people see that it's not the victim's fault that he is being robbed? It is the fault of the inconsiderate and/or immoral thief.

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 13):
It has yet to be proven in ANY court of law that this is such a crime, or much less be legislated against.

Steal: To take (the property of another) without right or permission.

The owner of the connection and wireless router pays for and owns the signal. Maybe it hasn't been legislated or adjudicated, but theft is theft. If you can live with yourselves, have at it.

So Ted, why am I dense? Because I feel I should be allowed to leave my vehicle running for a moment while I take my daughter into the daycare and not be afraid of having the car stolen? The law attacks a symptom, not the disease. It blames the victim.

[Edited 2005-07-07 22:46:44]
 
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RE: Man Arrested For Using Someone Elses Wi-Fi Network

Fri Jul 08, 2005 5:47 am

Quoting Air2gxs (Reply 16):
So, is rape OK when a woman (or girl) dresses provacatively? She chooses to dress that way, usually knowing full well she will excite men.

If she shows up nude in my bedroom guess what? YES

Quoting Air2gxs (Reply 16):
Steal: To take (the property of another) without right or permission.

What 'property' has changed hands?
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RE: Man Arrested For Using Someone Elses Wi-Fi Network

Fri Jul 08, 2005 5:52 am

Quoting Air2gxs (Reply 16):
What you guys are doing is taking advantage of the victim because he chooses not to or can't secure his network. By your logic, he gets what's coming to him.

It's not sealing as much as it is a consistant borrowing...... shhh 

I do not steal errrrr borrow my internet but I do not secure it. Too much work for me and if the computers get disconnected it's a pain to get them back. I constantly have others with their laptops who like to join. Another reason being that there is a PC for ever Mac in this house. They get confused some times. And I live in the hills. All the people around live in big ass houses and wouldn't know what wireless internet was if it crawled up their you-know-where. If someone wants to go 30min out of their way to sit outside of my house and steal my internet feel free. It'll take all but 5min for the "locals" to swing by to see who you are. This area is an everyone-knows-everyone area and I'm on a dead end. So really, if you want to deal with all that crap take my internet.

Take care  crazy 

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RE: Man Arrested For Using Someone Elses Wi-Fi Network

Fri Jul 08, 2005 6:02 am

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 17):
If she shows up nude in my bedroom guess what? YES

I didn't say nude, I said provactively dressed. Even nude, you'd still be charged with rape.

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 17):
What 'property' has changed hands?

The property is the service that the owner of the connection purchased.

Look, I can see that you rationlize theft when it suits you, so I can live with that. You don't have to convince me that what your doing, or defending, is correct. I've made my decision and you've obviously made your's. I think it's theft and you think it's OK. Eventually a court will decide. However a court decides, I'll still consider it theft, just like I still consider my property mine even though the court says my local government can use it to produce more income. (For the dense out there, that was a slam against the Supreme Court).
 
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RE: Man Arrested For Using Someone Elses Wi-Fi Network

Fri Jul 08, 2005 6:03 am

In the same way that we pay for internet here at home, when people come to visit family that may leave down the street, I almost expect that at some point, someone has mooched off my of router/wi-fi. Likewise, when I am traveling, I don't feel badly about mooching off of another persons network for a little bit. It's not stealing- and it's no secret that you can lock your network. If mooching is bothering you that much, Id think youd take the time to see how to lock your network. If you dont, then it really isn't much of a problem is it? Give and take, give and take.

Jeez...

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 13):
Quoting Air2gxs (Reply 8):
There is a law here in the DFW area, maybe it's a state law, that infuriates me. It says that a car owner can be prosecuted for leaving his car running. In short the law says that it's the car owners fault for ALLOWING his car to get stolen if he leaves his keys in it.

You really are dense..aren't you?

I think we know the answer to that one...

For heavens sake, people, get over it. You leave your car on? It deserves to get stolen. You leave your wireless internet on? Its going to get used.

Sometimes ethics have to take the back seat to simple common sense...

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RE: Man Arrested For Using Someone Elses Wi-Fi Network

Fri Jul 08, 2005 6:07 am

Quoting Air2gxs (Reply 16):
Because I feel I should be allowed to leave my vehicle running for a moment while I take my daughter into the daycare and not be afraid of having the car stolen?

then get daycare in a better neighborhood.

i lock my car when i go to Saks and it's 50 feet from a doorman.
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RE: Man Arrested For Using Someone Elses Wi-Fi Network

Fri Jul 08, 2005 6:19 am

Quoting STLGph (Reply 21):
i lock my car when i go to Saks and it's 50 feet from a doorman.

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RE: Man Arrested For Using Someone Elses Wi-Fi Network

Fri Jul 08, 2005 6:27 am

Thats why I only run wired networks, even WAP, WEP, etc has flaws. Im getting a Wifi card for my laptop and im gonna cruise around the hotels that have that free Wifi and mooch.

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RE: Man Arrested For Using Someone Elses Wi-Fi Network

Fri Jul 08, 2005 6:30 am

You know, the bootom line is that you are using something that you did not pay for. If you're OK with it, live with. I already accept that you are around me and I deal with it. I don't expect to change you, I'd just like you to look at yourselves and admit to yourselves that you're using something that is not your's.

For the record, I do secure my network because internet thieves exist. I do lock my car, because car thieves exist. Doesn't mean I have to like it.
 
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RE: Man Arrested For Using Someone Elses Wi-Fi Network

Fri Jul 08, 2005 6:32 am

If you are not bright enough to correctly apply a given piece of technology.. don't use it.

That means if you do not know how to operate your wireless router, don't buy one.

If the guy was sitting in his house and using an internet connection he could get without doing anything I have a hard time convicting him of anyything. Was it stealing? Yes. Is it wrong? yes. Should it be against the law? No. We do not need to be making more case law to protect people too stupid to live.


As far as securing your router goes.. it varies by router, consult your documentation but there is probably a menu inside your router's setup stuff.
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RE: Man Arrested For Using Someone Elses Wi-Fi Network

Fri Jul 08, 2005 6:49 am

Quoting Air2gxs (Reply 19):
I didn't say nude, I said provactively dressed. Even nude, you'd still be charged with rape.

My point was showing up in my bedroom and trespassing buddy...pay attention...

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 25):
We do not need to be making more case law to protect people too stupid to live.

ROFLMAO!!! But it's Ameri Jerry Freaking Springer WAY!!!


You sold me a gun I use to kill my wife by accident in the the middle of the night with, you owe me $20 freaking million!!!

GOD this country SUCKS sometimes..

What the %$@# ever happened to PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY!?!?!?!

You used my network because I was to %$#%ing LAZY to secure it you stole Whine whine whine.. We deserve to have this country go down in the great big fireball it is...
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RE: Man Arrested For Using Someone Elses Wi-Fi Network

Fri Jul 08, 2005 6:55 am

Quoting Air2gxs (Reply 24):
I'd just like you to look at yourselves and admit to yourselves that you're using something that is not your's.

i admit it now...i'm stealing from my neighbor's satellite system.
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RE: Man Arrested For Using Someone Elses Wi-Fi Network

Fri Jul 08, 2005 7:16 am

Jason, I know you are bad somtimes, but damn! That's over the limit!  Wink

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RE: Man Arrested For Using Someone Elses Wi-Fi Network

Fri Jul 08, 2005 6:07 pm

Has anybody EVER thought about the fact that the VAST majority of all wireless connections are on flat rates? Generally a wireless router will not be hooked up to dial-up. It is most probably a DSL or Cable connection. In other words, you might be stealing, but you're stealing something that's completely free to the owner. It's like your neighbor having a fresh water source on their property. Now you go there and steal a bucket of water. Think about it.
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RE: Man Arrested For Using Someone Elses Wi-Fi Network

Fri Jul 08, 2005 6:26 pm

but if the bandwidth is not being fully used, and it's unlimited, like it is in most of the states, there's no perceived damage. However as far as encryption, I believe you got it backwards (I may be wrong), WEP is the old and insecure one (unless you go for 128-bit WEP) and WPA is the better one.

I'm repeating birdwatching's point.
PS: Some Wi-Fi penetration tools include Kismet and Airsnort. After collecting 1-2 million packets, they can crack the encryption code in a matter of seconds.
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RE: Man Arrested For Using Someone Elses Wi-Fi Network

Fri Jul 08, 2005 7:58 pm

I know many people who purposefully share their broadband. I understand there are many who have unsecured routers and there are many of those who have no clue what that means. It has no effect on them. Ergo, its a victimless crime.

BTW, comparing "wi-fi theft" to rape is the very definition of absurd. Its like comparing apples to strangling babies with rusty piano wire.

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