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Man Gets 99 Years For Stealing Cell Phone

Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:17 am

I love Texas justice!!!

WACO, Texas - A man has been sentenced to 99 years in prison for stealing a cellphone.

Glenn Alvin Reed, 31, was convicted of robbery Thursday for stealing a cellular phone from a man's truck last fall and then hitting him several times when he demanded its return.

Jurors, who deliberated about 15 minutes, convicted Reed as a habitual criminal because he has prior felony convictions for injury to an elderly person and robbery. That bumped the minimum sentence from five to 25 years for Reed, who rejected a 15-year plea bargain offer from prosecutors.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...071205dntexcellphone.96d633a7.html
 
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RE: Man Gets 99 Years For Stealing Cell Phone

Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:19 am

They should have given him death penalty, man. Where is Texas Justice when you need it?
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RE: Man Gets 99 Years For Stealing Cell Phone

Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:20 am

Don't get me started on "Texas justice"...But I'd guess this was strike three.....

I'm suprised they didn't execute him...Hell, isn't that well within the confines of "Texas justice" for a crime like this???
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RE: Man Gets 99 Years For Stealing Cell Phone

Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:25 am

Reed also has 15 misdemeanor convictions dating to 1991, including 12 criminal trespassing convictions.

Reed, who testified during his trial against the wishes of his court-appointed attorneys, frequently went into profanity-laced tirades and told jurors he didn't care if they gave him life in prison.

"There's things I choose to do, like, if I go in a store and choose to take a Snicker's bar," Reed testified. "If you catch me, you catch me. If not, I'm going to go home and eat it up and go on about my business, dog."

Four years ago, Reed walked up behind retired Texas Ranger Capt. Bob Prince outside the McLennan County courthouse annex and said he was robbing him. Prince decided not to shoot Reed because he could tell he was unarmed, the former Ranger testified during Reed's cell phone robbery trial.

Prince easily took Reed into custody, and he later was sentenced to two years in prison, according to court records.

Reed made an obscene hand gesture toward Prince as the former Ranger left the witness stand.


This "man" has no place in society. The good people of Texas are better off with this jerk behind bars.

Let me also throw in that CA and other states also have "three strikes" laws. I'd hate to see this turn into a Texas flame fest.

[Edited 2005-07-11 22:28:18]
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RE: Man Gets 99 Years For Stealing Cell Phone

Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:26 am

If you are a habitual, violent criminal, this is what happens to you. I feel no sympathy for this man, and am grateful he is off the streets.

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RE: Man Gets 99 Years For Stealing Cell Phone

Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:29 am

I bet that, here in Germany, he even didn't have to go to jail.

I am glad to see that such people dissapear from the streets for a long time in certain US states!

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RE: Man Gets 99 Years For Stealing Cell Phone

Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:30 am

I bet Germany doesn't have nearly as many headcases either. If your criminal element ever gets like ours your laws will be stiffened as well.
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RE: Man Gets 99 Years For Stealing Cell Phone

Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:36 am

Quoting Checkraiser (Reply 6):
I bet Germany doesn't have nearly as many headcases either.

Yes but this is no reason to have such a ridiculous justice system like we have. Just one example, this retart who invented the computer virus "Sasser" got only 1.5 (?) years on parole. The guy is responsible for damages that cost millions but didn't have to go to jail, this is a complete joke in my opinion!

Quoting Checkraiser (Reply 6):
If your criminal element ever gets like ours your laws will be stiffened as well.

Why not stiff it before? I am sure that will prevent many people from becoming criminal.

Patrick

Edited for typo.

[Edited 2005-07-11 22:37:41]
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RE: Man Gets 99 Years For Stealing Cell Phone

Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:42 am

I knew my hometown was newsworthy! Strangely this is the first I've heard of it. Oh well. I don't mind him being of of the streets, and especially out of my neighborhood.

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RE: Man Gets 99 Years For Stealing Cell Phone

Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:53 am

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 7):
Yes but this is no reason to have such a ridiculous justice system like we have. Just one example, this retart who invented the computer virus "Sasser" got only 1.5 (?) years on parole. The guy is responsible for damages that cost millions but didn't have to go to jail, this is a complete joke in my opinion!

One word: Jugendstrafrecht. That's "youth penology" in English, roughly.

I haven't heard of any criminal history that stupid kid may have, so why lock him away for years and make a criminal out of him? After all, he's an immature youngster on whom prison would definitely have a bad influence. Those bits of the story that I followed showed that he had bragged about Sasser, probably unaware of the damage this thing was going to cause.

If anyone was to punish severely, that would be the customers by not buying MS products anymore - like that's going to happen...
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RE: Man Gets 99 Years For Stealing Cell Phone

Tue Jul 12, 2005 6:04 am

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 7):
Yes but this is no reason to have such a ridiculous justice system like we have. Just one example, this retart who invented the computer virus "Sasser" got only 1.5 (?) years on parole. The guy is responsible for damages that cost millions but didn't have to go to jail, this is a complete joke in my opinion!

I read that in the paper the other day and thought he got off easy.
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RE: Man Gets 99 Years For Stealing Cell Phone

Tue Jul 12, 2005 6:10 am

Quoting Aloges (Reply 9):
I haven't heard of any criminal history that stupid kid may have, so why lock him away for years and make a criminal out of him? After all, he's an immature youngster on whom prison would definitely have a bad influence. Those bits of the story that I followed showed that he had bragged about Sasser, probably unaware of the damage this thing was going to cause.

I absolutely agree. This boy wasn't aware what he was doing and I am sure he won't do anything like this anymore. If he went to jail there would have been a big chance he would have become real a criminal.

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RE: Man Gets 99 Years For Stealing Cell Phone

Tue Jul 12, 2005 6:15 am

For the liberals out there who feel that this was too hard a sentence - exactly how many violent crime "strikes" do you propose we give a criminal before we sentence him to jail for the rest of his life? If 3 isn't enough, will 5 make you happy? How about 10? Should we give someone nine previous opportunities to violently assault a fellow member of society before we put him away for good?

Criminals have a choice - if they do the crime they should expect to be punished.

Perhaps in this era of political correctness, the US should adopt the Islamic legal principles of chopping off a hand if you steal. I for one would be completely in favor of such a change.
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RE: Man Gets 99 Years For Stealing Cell Phone

Tue Jul 12, 2005 6:15 am

Quoting Checkraiser (Reply 3):
This "man" has no place in society. The good people of Texas are better off with this jerk behind bars.

So how much is it going to cost the taxpayers of Texas to take away this man's liberty for the rest of his life?
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RE: Man Gets 99 Years For Stealing Cell Phone

Tue Jul 12, 2005 6:17 am

Did the cell phone have the free nights and weekends plan?

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 2):
Don't get me started on "Texas justice"...

Ditto here.

Quoting BaylorAirBear (Reply 8):
I knew my hometown was newsworthy!

Actually, your home town is newsworthy for something that happened in 1993. But, I went to school in a more morbid town, Huntsville.

Baylor is a great school!

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RE: Man Gets 99 Years For Stealing Cell Phone

Tue Jul 12, 2005 6:23 am

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 13):
So how much is it going to cost the taxpayers of Texas to take away this man's liberty for the rest of his life?

Good question.
I am sure the same people who are saying; 'Let him rot in prison' are the same people that bitch about taxes.
It's the cost to keep these punks off the streets so they will be safe from people like this.
Why didn't anybody see this man had a problem sooner?
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RE: Man Gets 99 Years For Stealing Cell Phone

Tue Jul 12, 2005 6:26 am

So how much is it going to cost the taxpayers of Texas to take away this man's liberty for the rest of his life?

Can you say personal responsibility? It is the man's fault he is in prison, not the state of Texas. By the way, I'd rather pay a little higher taxes to get rid of these people than to have them roaming the streets hurting other people.

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RE: Man Gets 99 Years For Stealing Cell Phone

Tue Jul 12, 2005 6:26 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 15):
Why didn't anybody see this man had a problem sooner?

I don't know. Let's ask his parents that question.

Oh wait - it's not PC to say that parents the primary responsibility in raising their kids. We all know that it's the state's job.
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RE: Man Gets 99 Years For Stealing Cell Phone

Tue Jul 12, 2005 6:30 am

Quoting Pope (Reply 17):
I don't know. Let's ask his parents that question.

Oh wait - it's not PC to say that parents the primary responsibility in raising their kids. We all know that it's the state's job.

Sounds like the 'family' and his 'village' has failed him.
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RE: Man Gets 99 Years For Stealing Cell Phone

Tue Jul 12, 2005 6:32 am

Quoting Aloges (Reply 9):
I haven't heard of any criminal history that stupid kid may have, so why lock him away for years and make a criminal out of him?

He is already a criminal, he invented a computer virus!

Quoting Aloges (Reply 9):
After all, he's an immature youngster on whom prison would definitely have a bad influence.

Who cares? He is a criminal who caused damages all over the world, so throw his sorry a$$ into jail for several years. I am sure that he will think twice what he is doing the next time he is sitting in front of a computer when he is out of jail after 10 or more years. Maybe he is inventing another virus in a few years when he remembers that he got away with 1,5 years on parole.

Quoting ZRH (Reply 11):
This boy wasn't aware what he was doing...

So he invented the virus by coincidence?

Quoting ZRH (Reply 11):
If he went to jail there would have been a big chance he would have become real a criminal.

As I wrote above, he is already a real criminal!

Ok, let's not turn the thread off-topic, actually it is about the guy who stole a mobile phone and not about the guy who invented Sasser.

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RE: Man Gets 99 Years For Stealing Cell Phone

Tue Jul 12, 2005 6:40 am

Quoting Pope (Reply 17):
Oh wait - it's not PC to say that parents the primary responsibility in raising their kids. We all know that it's the state's job.

It's not the states job, rather it's the states job to ensure a good environment, one that does not breed criminals. So far, I have yet to see any "state" attempt this. Instead of fighting the poverty problem, they fight the reaction to the poverty problem and illogically think if you lock em all up, there won't be any more crime!
 
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RE: Man Gets 99 Years For Stealing Cell Phone

Tue Jul 12, 2005 7:00 am

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 13):
So how much is it going to cost the taxpayers of Texas to take away this man's liberty for the rest of his life?

Last figure I heard was several tens of thousands of $$$ per annum. Sorry I am unable to provide more specifics at this point. But it is no trivial amount.

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 16):
By the way, I'd rather pay a little higher taxes to get rid of these people than to have them roaming the streets hurting other people.

Well, then come pay my taxes.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 15):
I am sure the same people who are saying; 'Let him rot in prison' are the same people that bitch about taxes.

You got that right, Superfly.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 15):
Why didn't anybody see this man had a problem sooner?

The problem was evident sooner. In their minds, stiffer penalties (longer jail sentences) were not available.  Wink

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RE: Man Gets 99 Years For Stealing Cell Phone

Tue Jul 12, 2005 7:02 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 18):
Would you forgive him if he were to seek forgivness from you Pope?

His incarceration has nothing to do with whether or not the victim has forgiven him. A crime by definition is an offense against the state. As such, the case is labelled the People of Texas v. ________ not the individual v. __________.

Whether an individual grants forgiveness against his tormentor is between the individuals and their God. I would hope that I would be strong enough but I'm honestly not sure whether I would forgive someone who robbed me. Hopefully I will never have to confront that issue.

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Quoting B744F (Reply 20):
It's not the states job, rather it's the states job to ensure a good environment, one that does not breed criminals. So far, I have yet to see any "state" attempt this. Instead of fighting the poverty problem, they fight the reaction to the poverty problem and illogically think if you lock em all up, there won't be any more crime!

I guess you missed the last 30+ years and the liberal "war on poverty" that has resulted in over a trillion dollars being spent to no measurable improvement.

No matter how much money is spent on a good environment as you term it, children face an uphill battle to become responsible productive members of our society when parents abdicate their responsibilities to other - or as is more often the case, ignore those responsibilities completely.

I was at the local mall today at lunch and counted no less than 20 teenaged mothers walking around with their babies - in the course of 15 minutes. No amount of spending on environment can ever have the same impact that closing their legs would have had on the lives of those teenagers. Whose job is it to communicate that message? The government's or their parents.
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RE: Man Gets 99 Years For Stealing Cell Phone

Tue Jul 12, 2005 7:06 am

The prison guard lobby and there union is one of the fastest growing and become EXTREMLY influential in state legislatures around the country.
Here in California, prison guard pay has increased 300%!
Gray Davis, Arnold Swarzeneggar and Pete Wilson were all bed buddies with there union.
Arnold Swarzeneggar couldn't stand up to them so he went after nurses and there support staff instead. What f--king girlie man he is!  Sad
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RE: Man Gets 99 Years For Stealing Cell Phone

Tue Jul 12, 2005 7:07 am

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 13):
So how much is it going to cost the taxpayers of Texas to take away this man's liberty for the rest of his life?

Too much. Apparently he doesn't care for his liberty anyway because he told the jury he didn't care if they gave him life. It's too bad they have to pay for a lifetime in prison - in some countries he'd be executed without appeals.

Quoting ZRH (Reply 11):
This boy wasn't aware what he was doing

Please. If he was smart enough to engineer a computer virus he certainly knew the result. I'm sure he also knew the damage it would do and the consequences for it. They shouldn't throw away the key but a year in jail would wake him up and also set an example.

Quoting B744F (Reply 20):
illogically think if you lock em all up, there won't be any more crime!

Knowing that I could be locked up is EXACTLY what keeps me from becoming a criminal.
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RE: Man Gets 99 Years For Stealing Cell Phone

Tue Jul 12, 2005 7:21 am

Quoting Pope (Reply 22):
I guess you missed the last 30+ years and the liberal "war on poverty" that has resulted in over a trillion dollars being spent to no measurable improvement.

That's interesting. I guess you missed the whole biggest economic boom after WWII with said policies that have drastically reduced poverty

Quoting Pope (Reply 22):
No matter how much money is spent on a good environment as you term it, children face an uphill battle to become responsible productive members of our society when parents abdicate their responsibilities to other - or as is more often the case, ignore those responsibilities completely.

Thats not what you said to begin with but it is a problem I agree

Quoting Pope (Reply 22):
I was at the local mall today at lunch and counted no less than 20 teenaged mothers walking around with their babies - in the course of 15 minutes. No amount of spending on environment can ever have the same impact that closing their legs would have had on the lives of those teenagers. Whose job is it to communicate that message? The government's or their parents.

Interesting, we live in a free society, but you want to limit how many people have kids?

Quoting Checkraiser (Reply 24):
Knowing that I could be locked up is EXACTLY what keeps me from becoming a criminal.

If you are unemployed, have nothing in your name, no hope in your eyes of ever doing anything, desperation is a dangerous thing and can lead to such acts no matter the consequences. If you don't fight the problem from the source, you will be doing nothing but running around locking people up hoping it will bring the point across (and judging by the crime rates over the past few decades, it does not work)
 
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RE: Man Gets 99 Years For Stealing Cell Phone

Tue Jul 12, 2005 11:12 am

Quoting B744F (Reply 25):
If you don't fight the problem from the source

Exactly the point our lawmakers (and some in our society that vote for them) are missing.

Quoting B744F (Reply 25):
nothing but running around locking people up hoping it will bring the point across

But it’s good for families, right?  Wink
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RE: Man Gets 99 Years For Stealing Cell Phone

Tue Jul 12, 2005 1:30 pm

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 14):
Baylor is a great school!

Thanks. So how often did your lights flicker in Huntsville?

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 13):
So how much is it going to cost the taxpayers of Texas to take away this man's liberty for the rest of his life?

How much money could this guy cost us by being on the streets?

Quoting Superfly (Reply 15):
I am sure the same people who are saying; 'Let him rot in prison' are the same people that bitch about taxes.

I bitch plenty about taxes, but not in this case.

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Quoting BaylorAirBear (Reply 8):
I don't mind him being of of the streets, and especially out of my neighborhood.

Holy shit. I can't believe I misspelled off. May my life be filled with anguish.
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RE: Man Gets 99 Years For Stealing Cell Phone

Tue Jul 12, 2005 2:46 pm

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 4):
If you are a habitual, violent criminal, this is what happens to you. I feel no sympathy for this man, and am grateful he is off the streets.

He must be from Jersey....  biggrin 

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 16):
By the way, I'd rather pay a little higher taxes to get rid of these people than to have them roaming the streets hurting other people.

Uh..it's actually cheaper to kill people than to imprison them....That's why in Texas, we believe in hangings...uhmm, I mean executions.

The guys life is over...we'll trade him to Oklahoma for a less violent criminal and then have that person pick up trash up and down 35.

Oh, I forgot. We will actually charge Oklahoma to house their less violent criminal because they are stupid enough to pay.
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RE: Man Gets 99 Years For Stealing Cell Phone

Tue Jul 12, 2005 2:54 pm

Quoting Jdaniel001 (Reply 28):
The guys life is over...we'll trade him to Oklahoma for a less violent criminal and then have that person pick up trash up and down 35.

Oh, I forgot. We will actually charge Oklahoma to house their less violent criminal because they are stupid enough to pay.

Finally someone shares in my loathing of Oklahoma. Welcome to my modest RR.

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RE: Man Gets 99 Years For Stealing Cell Phone

Tue Jul 12, 2005 3:10 pm

Quoting BaylorAirBear (Reply 29):
Finally someone shares in my loathing of Oklahoma.

I blame them for all the traffic in Dallas once a year.
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RE: Man Gets 99 Years For Stealing Cell Phone

Tue Jul 12, 2005 7:30 pm

Are you a Longhorn?

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RE: Man Gets 99 Years For Stealing Cell Phone

Tue Jul 12, 2005 8:37 pm

While I hink life is too much time, this degenerate certainly should spend a 5-15 strech
 
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RE: Man Gets 99 Years For Stealing Cell Phone

Tue Jul 12, 2005 9:07 pm

Quoting ZRH (Reply 11):
I absolutely agree. This boy wasn't aware what he was doing and I am sure he won't do anything like this anymore. If he went to jail there would have been a big chance he would have become real a criminal.

From what we know, he DID know what he did was wrong. He just does not give a shit. Those who know and don't care are the most dangerous ones, IMHO. Life in prison may seem harsh in relation to the cell-phone, but this is very obviously someone who was going to graduate to bigger things.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 18):
Would you forgive him if he were to seek forgivness from you Pope?

As a Catholic, I would forgive him. But I would still want him behind bars. There is a difference between forgiveness and allowing someone to hurt you again. You might recall that Pope John Paul II forgave the man who shot him, but I don't recall him ever saying that he should be allowed to go free.

Quoting B744F (Reply 25):
If you don't fight the problem from the source, you will be doing nothing but running around locking people up hoping it will bring the point across (and judging by the crime rates over the past few decades, it does not work)

I'm curious about this statement. Does not every kid in the U.S. have the right to an education? Does not every kid, if he shows a will to work hard, have the opportunity to get to university through either scholarships or simple subsidies, in the case of state universities?. Does not every kid's life start out with both a father and a mother (the last time that wasn't the case was just over 2,000 years ago, I believe, and even he turned out alright).

The opportunities are there - for everybody. There are no laws or great trend of racism prevailant in the U.S. to stop anyone who wants to become successful. The ONLY causes for kids to fall through the cracks are:

1) Bad parenting, lack of moral education (including single motherhood)
2) Bad circle of friends (parents should be monitoring and controling this)
3) Bad examples provided via media, like rappers (again, parents should be monitoring and controling this)

It all comes down to the parents. I say that society should start considering punishing the biological parents of a child that turns rotten. Start sending a strong, hard message to everyone with children that they have a responsibility to that child, and society will not allow you to walk away from it.

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RE: Man Gets 99 Years For Stealing Cell Phone

Tue Jul 12, 2005 10:31 pm

Quoting B744F (Reply 25):
Interesting, we live in a free society, but you want to limit how many people have kids?

No, I don't want to do anything to that effect. I do want people to take responsibility for their decision instead of making their decision my responsibility. The statement was made:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 15):
Why didn't anybody see this man had a problem sooner?

To which I responded that it was the parent's responsibility to have seen that this man had a problem. Inherent in the original statement is an implication that someone else should have been responsible for discovering - and presumably addressing - this person's problems.

I would submit that all this talk of personal freedoms (which I completely support) is pointless without a discussion of personal responsibility. This punk robbed people 3 times. Robbery implies violence or the threat thereof. The apologist on this thread that blame the state and society for this sentence are missing the point. This criminal had the choice. He pursued a course of action that placed his personal desires above his responsibilities to society.

Well if he can choose that course of action, society can choose to incarcerate him for the rest of his natural life. But again I ask, just how many violent crimes should we allow a punk like this to commit before we lock him away for good? Obviously there are people say that three times is too strict and arbitrary. I'd like these same people to state a position and say exactly how many times they think is fair.
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RE: Man Gets 99 Years For Stealing Cell Phone

Tue Jul 12, 2005 10:40 pm

Quoting Pope (Reply 12):
For the liberals out there who feel that this was too hard a sentence - exactly how many violent crime "strikes" do you propose we give a criminal before we sentence him to jail for the rest of his life?

So, stealing a cell phone meets your definition of a "violent crime" Pope? Nice to know you've extended violence to such a level. I think you're just one of those people who want to lock anyone who does a crime like this forever and ever, amen. 99 years for stealing a phone? What kind of crap is that? I don't care what his history is, that isn't a violent crime, and it isn't worth 99 years in prison.

Another reason to be glad I don't and never would live in Texas.

Quoting Pope (Reply 12):
Perhaps in this era of political correctness, the US should adopt the Islamic legal principles of chopping off a hand if you steal. I for one would be completely in favor of such a change.

Of course you would-you're one of these "moral values" Republicans.
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RE: Man Gets 99 Years For Stealing Cell Phone

Tue Jul 12, 2005 10:48 pm

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 35):
So, stealing a cell phone meets your definition of a "violent crime" Pope?

The man was convicted of robbery not larceny. In order to obtain a robbery conviction the state has the burden of proof to show that the theft crime was accomplished through violence or threat of violence - so it's not my definition but that of the State of Texas's criminal code.

But in typical fashion, you've ducked the question - just how many convictions for violent (or attempted violent) crimes should a person have before they are put away for good?

What he stole isn't relevant - people have been shot dead for sneaker, an Ipod, or $5 cash. Are they any less dead because what was stolen from them had relatively little monetary value.

The reason that the law punishes robbery in a manner greater than simple larceny is precisely because of the violence or threat thereof. Don't you agree that members of society should be able to walk down the street without fearing that the same criminals will be committing violent crimes over and over again.

Come on Falcon, just how many bites at the apple should violent criminals get?
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RE: Man Gets 99 Years For Stealing Cell Phone

Tue Jul 12, 2005 11:14 pm

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 35):
What kind of crap is that? I don't care what his history is, that isn't a violent crime, and it isn't worth 99 years in prison.

Falcon, the guy assaulted the owner of the cellphone to get it. The cellphone is not the point. The point is that this guy is violent, has a history of beating people up in his robberies, and does not care whether it's right or wrong. in his testimony during the trial, he told the jury, ""There's things I choose to do, like, if I go in a store and choose to take a Snicker's bar," Reed testified. "If you catch me, you catch me. If not, I'm going to go home and eat it up and go on about my business, dog."

This guy is a hopeless case, and it should be absolutely obvious to anyone that, if released, he will do it again, and again. Eventually, someone will certainly kill him, but how many old ladies will get beaten up in the meantime?

Lock him up and lose the key, please.

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RE: Man Gets 99 Years For Stealing Cell Phone

Tue Jul 12, 2005 11:30 pm

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 37):
Falcon, the guy assaulted the owner of the cellphone to get it. The cellphone is not the point.

Again, it's not worth 99 years in prison, my friend. End of story, as far as I'm concerned.

Quoting Pope (Reply 36):
What he stole isn't relevant - people have been shot dead for sneaker, an Ipod, or $5 cash.

He didn't shoot anyone, hombre, so what you say has no meaning. Irrelevant.
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RE: Man Gets 99 Years For Stealing Cell Phone

Tue Jul 12, 2005 11:41 pm

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 38):
He didn't shoot anyone, hombre, so what you say has no meaning. Irrelevant.

So we should wait until he shoots someone before taking action.

Falcon, you duck the question yet again. How many times does someone get the chance to commit a violent crime before we put them away for good? You say three is not enough chances. What is enough?
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RE: Man Gets 99 Years For Stealing Cell Phone

Tue Jul 12, 2005 11:46 pm

You know, this thread should be titled "Habitual Offender Gets 99 Years"

You know, the only way to make society better is to get these scum off the street and to prevent others from causing trouble. Punishment or incarceration should have 3 goals; punishment for the offense, rehabilitation of the offender and as a deterrance of future offenses.

Now to his specific case. He is clearly show no remorse and has proven that rehabilitation will not work. According to the story, over the last 14 years (since he was 17), he has 15 misdemeanor convictions, at least 1 violent assault and his current dilemma. How long has he spent in prison for preying on society? This man should not be allowed to walk among us; liberal, conservative or anything in between.
 
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RE: Man Gets 99 Years For Stealing Cell Phone

Tue Jul 12, 2005 11:47 pm

Quoting Pope (Reply 39):
So we should wait until he shoots someone before taking action.

You go on the assumption he will, because you have such low opinion of much of humanity, Pope. You cannot give a guy 99 years because you THINK, someday, maybe, possiblly, he MIGHT shoot someone. That's taking presumption of guilt to an extreme level, I think.

Perhaps we should put EVERYONE in jail for a time, Pope, on the grounds they MIGHT shoot someone, or harm someone someday. I don't buy that line of thinking-another example of utter extremism.

Quoting Pope (Reply 39):
How many times does someone get the chance to commit a violent crime before we put them away for good?

CHANCE? You want to lock someone up forever because they have a CHANCE to commit a violent crime? Need I say more about how you think?

We're supposed to lock people up for what they've done, not what they MIGHT do, Pope. The Iraq analogy, on a more personal scale. Why am I not surprised.  Smile

And I never said three isn't enough. But in my book, someone gets 99 years not for a petty crime like cell phone stealing. They get it for major crimes, like rape, murder, etc-not beating someone for a cell phone.
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RE: Man Gets 99 Years For Stealing Cell Phone

Tue Jul 12, 2005 11:57 pm

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 41):
You cannot give a guy 99 years because you THINK, someday, maybe, possiblly, he MIGHT shoot someone.

The guy has been convicted of three violent crimes. There's no issue of possibility - the state has proven beyond a reasonable doubt to a jury of his peers that the man committed these crimes. The three strike rules all require conviction - plea deals don't count - so stop trying to distort the issue. Nobody is advocating anyone be put in jail for something they're contemplating. We're only talking about what the appropriate punishment is for actual crimes that have been proven.

So once again I ask you, how many chances at committing a violent crime should a criminal get before he is put in jail for good. Don't duck the question - answer it.
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RE: Man Gets 99 Years For Stealing Cell Phone

Wed Jul 13, 2005 12:06 am

This guy will probably get out within 5-10 years on parole. The judge probably just wanted to send him a message that his continuous screw ups won't be tolerated.
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RE: Man Gets 99 Years For Stealing Cell Phone

Wed Jul 13, 2005 12:06 am

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 33):
As a Catholic, I would forgive him. But I would still want him behind bars. There is a difference between forgiveness and allowing someone to hurt you again.

I was asking The Pope. He is the Holy Father and I place extremely high value in what The Pope says. However this new Pope makes me worry a bit because he is an A.net member and John Paul II was not a member of A.net like the new one.



Anyhow, it sounds like this punk has the mentality of a 5 grade class that never grew up. This man is a mental retard and I doubt he realized the seriousness of his acts. I am all for punishment but it should be done in a way that in which he can be a productive and or civilized member of society.
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RE: Man Gets 99 Years For Stealing Cell Phone

Wed Jul 13, 2005 12:42 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 44):
I am all for punishment but it should be done in a way that in which he can be a productive and or civilized member of society.

I agree. There are plenty of productive jobs that can be done from behind bars. But only from behind bars, for this guy.

And bring back hard labor. Make these guys earn their keep by making furniture or harvesting crops.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 44):
I was asking The Pope. He is the Holy Father and I place extremely high value in what The Pope says. However this new Pope makes me worry a bit because he is an A.net member and John Paul II was not a member of A.net like the new one.

Perhaps I am Pope Benedict's version of Karl Rove - the puppet master  Smile
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RE: Man Gets 99 Years For Stealing Cell Phone

Wed Jul 13, 2005 12:46 am

Who's this Benedict guy everyone keeps talking about?
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RE: Man Gets 99 Years For Stealing Cell Phone

Wed Jul 13, 2005 1:24 am

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 45):
agree. There are plenty of productive jobs that can be done from behind bars. But only from behind bars, for this guy.

And bring back hard labor. Make these guys earn their keep by making furniture or harvesting crops.

Like in North Korea?

Quoting Pope (Reply 46):
Who's this Benedict guy everyone keeps talking about?

So you aren't the Holy Father?
You should change your username if your're not because I find that to be offensive.
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RE: Man Gets 99 Years For Stealing Cell Phone

Wed Jul 13, 2005 1:55 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 47):
Like in North Korea?

Superfly, you don't usually make dumbass comments like that. This guy is not a political prisoner, and what's wrong with making prison a place that you really don't want to go to. These nice prisons with cable TV, weight rooms, and lots of leisure time is a very large reason why crime is so prevailant in our "modern" society.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 47):
So you aren't the Holy Father?
You should change your username if your're not because I find that to be offensive.

LOL  laughing 
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RE: Man Gets 99 Years For Stealing Cell Phone

Wed Jul 13, 2005 2:00 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 47):
You should change your username if your're not because I find that to be offensive.

I find anal sex offensive but you don't see me trying to impose my personal preferences on you.
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