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Drivers On Cell Phones More Likely To Crash

Wed Jul 13, 2005 1:40 am

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/07/12/cells.drivers/index.html

They needed a study to figure that out? No safety benefit to hands free is a bit of a surprise though.

I never have understood what call could be so important as to make taking it while driving an imperative. Just talk to them when you get home or to the office.
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RE: Drivers On Cell Phones More Likely To Crash

Wed Jul 13, 2005 1:55 am

I heard this on the radio this morning, apparently you're four times more likely to crash if you're on the phone, handsfree or not. It amazes me that there are so many people out there that are willing to risk their own lives and the lives of others for the sake of a phone call.

Quoting SATL382G (Thread starter):
No safety benefit to hands free is a bit of a surprise though.

I agree, I don't do either though, I pull in and turn my engine off if I'm going to take a call. It's illegal to accept a call in this country with engine on (If I remember rightly? Somebody correct me if I'm wrong).

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RE: Drivers On Cell Phones More Likely To Crash

Wed Jul 13, 2005 2:29 am

It's prohibited in Germany as well, but handsfree it's allowed... Yet another German low which is not quiet meaningful...
 
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RE: Drivers On Cell Phones More Likely To Crash

Wed Jul 13, 2005 2:30 am

Its illegal in India too even with the hands free, there were a couple of accidents in my state due to the hands free, so even hands free was banned, you have to stop your car and take the phone call.

You loose ur attention while driving, its simple you don't need a research/survey to tell that.
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RE: Drivers On Cell Phones More Likely To Crash

Wed Jul 13, 2005 2:35 am

I honestly don't care if these morons risk their own lives.

It is when they risk mine that I start to get pissed off. If someone is on a cell phone they get no courtesy from me.
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RE: Drivers On Cell Phones More Likely To Crash

Wed Jul 13, 2005 2:47 am

Quoting Jamie757 (Reply 1):
It's illegal to accept a call in this country with engine on

I don`t know how it is in the UK, but here in Germany and the most other EU countries it`s illegal, because of these risks. But never the less you can see many idiots in their cars, using their mobile. Sometimes you can already recognize them from far away, because they are swerving in snake lines.

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RE: Drivers On Cell Phones More Likely To Crash

Wed Jul 13, 2005 3:41 am

Quoting Jamie757 (Reply 1):
I agree, I don't do either though, I pull in and turn my engine off if I'm going to take a call. It's illegal to accept a call in this country with engine on

Jamie757,

Although i'm not 100% sure, i think you're allowed to accept a call so long as it's handsfree...Don't quote me on that though.

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RE: Drivers On Cell Phones More Likely To Crash

Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:34 am

Quoting OhTheDrama747 (Reply 6):
Although i'm not 100% sure, i think you're allowed to accept a call so long as it's handsfree...Don't quote me on that though.

Sorry, I was a little vague as to what I meant, I don't use a handsfree kit so I have no option but to stop if I want/need to answer a call. You are correct, it is legal to accept or make a call from a handsfree kit provided the phone is mounted in a cradle on the dashboard. You are not permitted to hold the handset whilst driving.

Hope that helps to clarify.

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RE: Drivers On Cell Phones More Likely To Crash

Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:50 am

It's amazing the amount of irresponsible people who still use a mobile while driving, every day i see at least four or five people using a mobile while driving. Last week i saw a lady approach a roundabout while chatting away on her phone. In that space of time, she managed to look slow down, indicate, change gears and speed off into an exit without looking ANYWHERE apart from straight ahead.
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RE: Drivers On Cell Phones More Likely To Crash

Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:52 am

It's too bad people who don't have the brain capacity to do more than 1 thing at a time ruin it for the rest of us.
 
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RE: Drivers On Cell Phones More Likely To Crash

Wed Jul 13, 2005 5:33 am

Quoting B744F (Reply 9):
It's too bad people who don't have the brain capacity to do more than 1 thing at a time ruin it for the rest of us.

Would be interesting to know how many have died or caused others to die because they were sure they could "do more than 1 thing at a time". The figures would probably make the 9/11 and 7/7 attacks look insignificant casualty wise......
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RE: Drivers On Cell Phones More Likely To Crash

Wed Jul 13, 2005 5:52 am

Quoting SATL382G (Thread starter):
I never have understood what call could be so important as to make taking it while driving an imperative. Just talk to them when you get home or to the office.

because some people don't have the choice....their office is often in their cars and the cell phone is the center point.

for example--

i am in the news business and outside of the studios, the field is our office and the phone can often be a vital tool for the job. about 90% of the time, the tv news reporter gets to talk while the cameraman drives. but if you are in newspapers, you don't get that luxury. you are hook, line, and sinker when it comes to news reporting. pulling over to use the phone and turning off the car is next to absurd in this business. that means you are wasting time beating competition to get there. you missed the body being pulled. you missed the explosion. you missed great sound bites and quotes from eye witnesses and the emergency response spokes personnel. sometimes with print journalists, you have to phone your story in and dictate it over the phone while driving to the next point of interest so you can make deadline.

i only work three (sometimes four) days a week and i can attribute an average of over 1,500 minutes a month for work. many full timers i know can reach 3 to 4,000 minutes a month.
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RE: Drivers On Cell Phones More Likely To Crash

Wed Jul 13, 2005 5:54 am

Quoting SATL382G (Reply 10):
Would be interesting to know how many have died or caused others to die because they were sure they could "do more than 1 thing at a time". The figures would probably make the 9/11 and 7/7 attacks look insignificant casualty wise......

Wow, that was very informative.
 
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RE: Drivers On Cell Phones More Likely To Crash

Wed Jul 13, 2005 6:51 am

Quoting STLGph (Reply 11):
because some people don't have the choice....their office is often in their cars and the cell phone is the center point.

What do you mean "don't have a choice"? Some how the news got reported before cell phones didn't it? What you mean is that your industry is so competitive that it ignores safe and prudent practices to make a buck...

Now I know that if you're driving you aren't gathering news so you can't tell me it's essential.

Print media huh? Boy it's real important that you phone the news in so I don't get my paper late. Oh wait I still get my paper ontime regardless of wether you stop to call it in or not....

edit: sorry. I have a low regard for the media in general, unrelated to the topic of this thread.

[Edited 2005-07-12 23:54:37]
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RE: Drivers On Cell Phones More Likely To Crash

Wed Jul 13, 2005 9:17 am

I think if it can be demonstrated that you were on the phone while in an accident, life sentence. If you kill someone* death penality!!!


There was some dumb bitch in the Central Florida who ALLEGEDLY ran a red light and killed two beautiful young girls aged 3 and 6 (I think). Do I need to say witnesses said she was on her cell at the time? She has been charged, and trial is pending.
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RE: Drivers On Cell Phones More Likely To Crash

Wed Jul 13, 2005 10:44 am

Yes, I admit to using my cell (mobile) phone while driving a very few times. But I have seen too may yahoos weaving, driving up/down on the gas pedal and NOT really driving while on a cell phone to make me not want to do it any more. A few weeks ago, the Discovery Channel program 'Mythbusters' did a test of the affects of cellphone use as well as being legally drunk while driving on a controlled off-street course. Turns out to confirm other studies that cell phone use was as hazardous as being legally drunk, and in some situations even worse. Besides, often while driving with the phone, the signal will cut out, drop and you lose your conversation, so is it worth it?
 
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RE: Drivers On Cell Phones More Likely To Crash

Wed Jul 13, 2005 11:57 am

Quoting SATL382G (Reply 13):

What do you mean "don't have a choice"? Some how the news got reported before cell phones didn't it? What you mean is that your industry is so competitive that it ignores safe and prudent practices to make a buck...

Now I know that if you're driving you aren't gathering news so you can't tell me it's essential.

Amen! Cell phones should be a mobile panic button for use in serious matters and nothing more. Prior to the cellphone explosion, a call of signifigant gravity would be made at a roadside public phone, or made prior to hitting the road. Having the damn things just resulted in having more chit-chat, whether driving, shoppping, standing in line at the bank etc. "..Whatcha' dooo-ing?" "...No honey, you're NOT fat" "You parents can come visit anytime..." "...Baked turkey breast would be fine...." "SELL!" "BUY!" What a bunch of spurious BS.

Who was the sagacious wag who wryly ( and astutely I might add ) commented on the telephone in the late-19th century? The hoopla stated: ......"Maine can talk to Florida!". He quipped: "But does Maine have anything to say to Florida??".

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RE: Drivers On Cell Phones More Likely To Crash

Wed Jul 13, 2005 1:09 pm

i can't tell you how many people have been on their phones and cut out in front of me while i'm riding because they're too distracted by their phone to look both ways. on a side note, according to the american motorcyclist association, motorcyclists are MUCH less likely to be the ones causing accidents on the road (on bike or car) than other drivers.

not that this means crotch rockets are ok if they're doing 80 in a 40mph zone dodging cars. i own a rocket and don't condone it at all
 
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RE: Drivers On Cell Phones More Likely To Crash

Wed Jul 13, 2005 5:48 pm

The irony over here in the UK, is tha tthe people who you see most frequently using the phone while driving are the school run mums in their big SUVs. (You only really seem to see men wearing bluetooth headsets).

These women drive big SUVs because they want a feeling of safety for them and their kids, yet at the same time think nothing of booking the hairdressers appointment, for after they've dropped off the kids at school, while they are driving.....
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Wed Jul 13, 2005 5:49 pm

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RE: Drivers On Cell Phones More Likely To Crash

Wed Jul 13, 2005 5:55 pm

Even more stupid is people texting while driving. There was a case here a couple of years ago where someone was charged after hitting & killing a cyclist while sending a text.
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RE: Drivers On Cell Phones More Likely To Crash

Thu Jul 14, 2005 4:35 am

Eating, doing makeup, reaching for things, reading the paper or other material, and talking to other people in the car is more dangerous than talking on a cell phone, in my opinion.
 
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RE: Drivers On Cell Phones More Likely To Crash

Fri Jul 15, 2005 5:28 am

Quoting SATL382G (Reply 13):
What do you mean "don't have a choice"? Some how the news got reported before cell phones didn't it? What you mean is that your industry is so competitive that it ignores safe and prudent practices to make a buck...

news vehicles used to get around by use of CB radio.

problem is, stations would constantly mess around with each other. "WOW, WE JUST FOUND THREE DEAD BODIES NEXT TO THIS DUMPSTER!"

etc.

you get the idea.

and yeah, we ignore a lot of things to make a quick buck. we want to get to the pay off of the anchor chair position.

Quoting SATL382G (Reply 13):
Now I know that if you're driving you aren't gathering news so you can't tell me it's essential.

you can call in to your editor and producer and dictate copy to meet deadline.
you can also make phone calls to contacts to verify information.

Quoting SATL382G (Reply 13):
Print media huh? Boy it's real important that you phone the news in so I don't get my paper late. Oh wait I still get my paper ontime regardless of wether you stop to call it in or not....

it's not a matter of getting the paper ontime. it's a matter of getting the news in on time.
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RE: Drivers On Cell Phones More Likely To Crash

Fri Jul 15, 2005 6:06 am

Quoting SATL382G (Thread starter):
No safety benefit to hands free is a bit of a surprise though.

that is absolute BS. In my car I have hands free (Bluetooth) where calls come on over the speakers and it is ABSOLUTELY very very safe. Completely hands free with no cords or anything. Bad thing is, people think you are talking to yourself....hehe

I think more cars should come with this technology to make our roads safer. But honestly, the problem isn't people talking on the phone while driving but the person driving itself....I say give harsher penalties for reckless drivers and get them off the road!!!!...don't blame cells.
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RE: Drivers On Cell Phones More Likely To Crash

Fri Jul 15, 2005 3:48 pm

No....

Drivers eating while driving, doing they're make-up, playing with the radio, talking to passengers, adjusting they're seat, finding a map, taking a drink for a beverage, shaving(Yes, I've seen it), doing they're hair, using the GPS, checking they're mirrors, thinking about something bad that happened during the day, reading something(Yes, I've seen it), or doing anything else I've mentioned are likely to get in a crash..if not MORE likely than someone using they're phone. These studies are a crock of s**t to me, as they don't prove anything other than some people can't walk and chew gum. I am so sick and god damned tired of driving on the interstate, and looking at someone who parks themselves in the fast lane and doesn't observe traffic around them at all. They are the biggest safety risk, as they have no f**king clue what's going on around them. They don't know if someone is approaching, or in they're blind spot if for some reason they had to avoid an object in the road. But more than anything...They are usually the ones screwing up the flow of traffic. Every time someone finally passes them....THEN they get over into the middle/slow lane. It's like "Oh! I guess I should get over now. Six cars passed me and I'm not even going with the flow of traffic. In Oregon we have the basic rule. That is if everyone on the interstate is going 70 in the fast lane...so should you. If everyone is going 65 (Posted MAX. speed on all OR highways and interstates...), then you go 65. You get the idea. I am sick and tired of being in a rush to get somewhere, only to have to slow down for 10 miles because one person can't get they're act in gear and move over. Nope...they HAVE to go 60 mph., while everyone wants to go faster. These people scare me, as they will be the root cause of accidents. They have no clue what is going on around them, and they will be the one to freak out and cause an accident. Not me on my cell phone trying to wrap something important up.


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RE: Drivers On Cell Phones More Likely To Crash

Fri Jul 15, 2005 4:08 pm

i'm guilty of all of those actually. even the make up thing. i was doing a show in which i was singing the opening the number and was running late from a train.

as for the book? well...i just couldn't put Harry Potter down...
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RE: Drivers On Cell Phones More Likely To Crash

Fri Jul 15, 2005 4:17 pm

Quoting Vivek0072 (Reply 3):
Its illegal in India too even with the hands free

In Mumbai Driving with the Hands free is ok.The Other day I was Talking on the Hands free in front of a Cop who asked me for a time check.
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RE: Drivers On Cell Phones More Likely To Crash

Fri Jul 15, 2005 5:30 pm

Quoting Cornish (Reply 18):
The irony over here in the UK, is tha tthe people who you see most frequently using the phone while driving are the school run mums in their big SUVs. (You only really seem to see men wearing bluetooth headsets).

Yeah. Same here. You see these people in expensive BMWs, Jaguars holding the phone trying to look like Mr./Ms. Important all the time. One would think that if they can afford to spend 50.000 EUR for a car they could also spare 150 for a handsfree kit.

Although I guess that in the US the fact that most of the cars have automatic transmissions makes the calling while driving slightly less dangerous than over here where you have to shift gears, hold the steering wheel and the phone - that's handling THREE things with only TWO HANDS!
 
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RE: Drivers On Cell Phones More Likely To Crash

Fri Jul 15, 2005 5:50 pm

it completely makes sense...when drivin, pay attention to the road n dont worry bout the phone! just call the person back when u get off.
 
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RE: Drivers On Cell Phones More Likely To Crash

Sat Jul 16, 2005 1:20 pm

Quoting SATL382G (Thread starter):
No safety benefit to hands free is a bit of a surprise though.

Actually, this has been known in the US for about ten years now thanks to previous studies conducted here. The only surprising part is that Americans are oblivious to it. Of couse, watching all the carnage on the local television news you'd think they'd go into a little more detail about what can contribute to all those wreaks, but nah, that doesn't interest folks over here.
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RE: Drivers On Cell Phones More Likely To Crash

Sat Jul 16, 2005 4:20 pm

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 24):
I am sick and tired of being in a rush to get somewhere, only to have to slow down for 10 miles because one person can't get they're act in gear and move over. Nope...they HAVE to go 60 mph., while everyone wants to go faster. These people scare me, as they will be the root cause of accidents. They have no clue what is going on around them, and they will be the one to freak out and cause an accident.

i've heard some rants in my time, but this is a bit ridiculous...if you had any argument going for you, it was flushed directly down the toilet when you complained that somebody was driving below the speed limit and blocking traffic while YOU are the one in the rush...didn't anybody ever tell you to plan ahead? everybody should know these things are bound to happen! i will be the first to admit being frustrated trying to get somewhere and not having the ability to do so because of a slow driver, but i won't try and make a point, just to shoot myself in the foot

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