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Who Is Judith Miller Holding Out For?

Wed Jul 13, 2005 11:32 pm

As we all know (unless my info is wrong), Judith Miller of the NYT is going to jail for not following a court order to reveal her source in this whole mess. So who could she be holding out for? I have my theory, but here goes...

1. One of the leakers recently has been found out to be Karl Rove.
2. Bush has said he will fire anybody who was involved with this.
3. Now the White House is being very quiet about this in a complete about face.

It is my personal opinion that Karl Rove has Bush by the balls and is squeezing real tight. Imagine the following situation.

Rove and Bush (yes, GWB) are the two leakers. Rove was revealed but Judith Miller is holding back on revealing Bush because she realizes the implications it would have. Reporters are all over the White House trying to figure out what's going on with Rove. Meanwhile, the silence on this topic is deafening.

What if Bush were the other leaker? Or even behind this whole shenanigan? Or lets say that Rove was behind all this, because he is a nasty man who will do anything to get his way. At this point, lets say the White House were to fire him, couldn't Rove say "If I go down, you're going down with me"?

I'm not a conspiracy theorist. There is another leaker out there apparently that Judith Miller is now in jail for. Is it possible that Karl Rove has the whole White House under his thumb at the moment knowing that Bush is the other leaker?

All hypothetical
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RE: Who Is Judith Miller Holding Out For?

Thu Jul 14, 2005 2:48 pm

Quoting Tbar220 (Thread starter):
All hypothetical

I would be stunned if she doesn't have 20 or so voicemails from KR saying she can reveal him. I think the thing JM is doing is standing up for her journalistic integrity. IE even though the source now says it's ok to go public, the fact that she initially promised the soure anonymity is what she is sticking to. It is right that her being coarsed into testifying is fachist crap!! She's doing the right thing.
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RE: Who Is Judith Miller Holding Out For?

Thu Jul 14, 2005 2:58 pm

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 1):
She's doing the right thing.

She's still breaking the law.
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RE: Who Is Judith Miller Holding Out For?

Thu Jul 14, 2005 3:02 pm

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 1):
standing up for her journalistic integrity

By publishing the name of an active CIA agent she lost all her integrity
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RE: Who Is Judith Miller Holding Out For?

Thu Jul 14, 2005 3:14 pm

Judith Miller never had any journalistic integrity to begin with. She's a Republican shill who happens to have a cushy job at the New York Times.

As for KKKarl, he's the brains of the operation (so to speak), the one who makes the final decisions about everything (and you thought Bush was in charge! How quaint!), so I doubt he'll be firing himself. Bosses don't usually fire themselves.
 
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RE: Who Is Judith Miller Holding Out For?

Thu Jul 14, 2005 3:19 pm

Quoting Alberchico (Reply 3):
By publishing the name of an active CIA agent she lost all her integrity

it was on it's way out into the open no matter how or whom.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 2):
She's still breaking the law.

and is the law always right?
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RE: Who Is Judith Miller Holding Out For?

Thu Jul 14, 2005 3:21 pm

Nobody is really discussing the topic, does anybody have any thoughts as to whom Judith Miller is holding out for? If there is, who could the other leaker be? What do people think of my theory? Any comments welcome
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RE: Who Is Judith Miller Holding Out For?

Thu Jul 14, 2005 3:22 pm

Quoting TrappedInMKG (Reply 4):
She's a Republican shill who happens to have a cushy job at the New York Times.

Republicans don't get hired by the New York Times.

She is probably waiting to run up the movie right prices for her story.

Face it, jail time makes it more dramatic.
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RE: Who Is Judith Miller Holding Out For?

Thu Jul 14, 2005 3:22 pm

Quoting TrappedInMKG (Reply 4):
Judith Miller never had any journalistic integrity to begin with. She's a Republican shill who happens to have a cushy job at the New York Times.

now -that's- a statement! ;p
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RE: Who Is Judith Miller Holding Out For?

Thu Jul 14, 2005 4:41 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 2):
She's still breaking the law.

Please cite what law (other then a court order) she is breaking by not revealing her source.

Quoting Alberchico (Reply 3):
By publishing the name of an active CIA agent she lost all her integrity

Novak published the first story wonder boy. She effectively just wrote up a confirmation piece.

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 6):
Nobody is really discussing the topic, does anybody have any thoughts as to whom Judith Miller is holding out for? If there is, who could the other leaker be? What do people think of my theory? Any comments welcome

There is almost no doubt that she's hiding KR.
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RE: Who Is Judith Miller Holding Out For?

Thu Jul 14, 2005 4:48 pm

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 9):
There is almost no doubt that she's hiding KR.

i don't know if i would agree that she's hiding Bush, but it is fun to entertain that thought. given her history of stories in the past...maybe she's hiding our other president.....DR?
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RE: Who Is Judith Miller Holding Out For?

Fri Jul 15, 2005 5:13 am

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 6):
Nobody is really discussing the topic, does anybody have any thoughts as to whom Judith Miller is holding out for? If there is, who could the other leaker be? What do people think of my theory?

One of the other "possibilities" going around that was discussed in another thread is that Cheney leaked the info to Rove, and it is possible that Miller is protecting Cheney. As it is, there is absolutely no, I repeat, no proof that this is truly the case. I think that other people in the White House aside from Rove knew about the plan, Andrew Card being one of them, and it is conceivable that the committee set up to discuss running Ambassador Wilson's name through the mud was headed up or had the participation of Cheney, but, again, the only people we know for sure who were in the group are Rove and Card.

We know that Rove is merely an advisor, a position not usually privy to the intelligence that he leaked. Therefore we assume that someone higher up in the administration who had access to the intelligence on Wilson and Plare passed the classified information along to Rove. That would implicate people as high up as Cheney, but very doubtful that W had any knowledge of it. However, it is also possible that Bush decided to give Rove unprecedented security clearance for an advisor and Rove picked the intelligence up himself. An investigation needs to be launched to figure out the exact nature of the leak.

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RE: Who Is Judith Miller Holding Out For?

Fri Jul 15, 2005 5:21 am

Quoting Tbar220 (Thread starter):
because he is a nasty man who will do anything to get his way.

He is. Look at the 2000 South Carolina Republican presidential primaries as proof of that.
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RE: Who Is Judith Miller Holding Out For?

Fri Jul 15, 2005 5:31 am

My 0.02 from another thread.

Quoting 11Bravo (Reply 60):
Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 59):
As for Judith Miller - here's what I don't get, and someone please explain this to me: she's basically protecting Rove (or whoever the leaker is). I understand the journalists' creed, but I presume she's an NYT lefty, so what does she care if she lets Rove out to dry? Rove should be sending her flowers in jail; her (lack of ) testimony is what's keeping Rove (assuming he did the deed) from some serious legal bills.

A couple a things here… First, I think you are over estimating the willingness of many reporters to discard their strongly held convictions about confidentiality based on partisan leanings. There have been many reporters in the last few days, from both the “Liberal” camp and the “Conservative” camp, who have made it clear that it is categorically unacceptable to reveal sources no matter whose ox is being gored.

Second, I think it’s possible that Miller is doing this to regain credibility she lost by publishing a number of articles in the NYT prior to the war that were based on sources in the Administration and within the Iraqi exile community. She wrote several articles on WMD and Iraqi connections to international terrorism that turned out to be completely and utterly false. Judith Miller’s reputation was greatly damaged by all that, and she may feel that she can regain some integrity by falling on her sword here.
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