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Mum Sprayed Petrol On Me!

Thu Jul 14, 2005 11:55 am

Today we were in a hurry. My mum and I were taking our friends back to MSP for their flight back to LGW. But first she needed to pick me up from work. When I got in the car she said we needed petrol so we had to quickly hurry and then go back home to load the car with our guest's bags. When we got to the gas station she got out to start fueling the car. I was going to stay in the car but it was just too hot, (93F/38C today) so I got out. She was trying to get the credit card in and stat pumping, and wasn't realy paying atention when she must have turned the pump on..... It sprayed all over my left leg for about a second, then she just pointed it at the ground and tried to turn it off. the gas went everywhere. finnaly she got it right. but kept on bitching about it like she dose, oh well. what I'm worried about is that it took us about 10min later until we got home, in that time my leg started to sting, not bad but I know that it cant be good to get a large amount of petrol on your skin. Will I get sick from this??


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RE: Mum Sprayed Petrol On Me!

Thu Jul 14, 2005 11:57 am

This type of stuff wouldn't happen if you lived here in NJ, where you aren't allowed to pump your own gas.  crazy 

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RE: Mum Sprayed Petrol On Me!

Thu Jul 14, 2005 12:03 pm

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 1):
where you aren't allowed to pump your own gas

Really?

I was doused with gas once because a dude wasn't watching his pump and it started to over flow. So I handled it, but in the process got soaked. I ended up going to the hospital because the fumes I inhaled burned my lungs...OUCH.
You shouldn't worry about getting sick though.
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RE: Mum Sprayed Petrol On Me!

Thu Jul 14, 2005 12:12 pm

Really?

Yes, quite odd. Thank God I drive to PA and NY quite frequently, or I never would have learned how to pump my own gas. I have a lot of friends, who have driven for years, who still don't.  crazy 

This is the legislature's reasoning:

The Legislature finds and declares that:

a. Because of the fire hazards directly associated with dispensing fuel, it is in the public interest that gasoline station operators have the control needed over that activity to ensure compliance with appropriate safety procedures, including turning off vehicle engines and refraining from smoking while fuel is dispensed;

b. At self-service gasoline stations in other states, cashiers are often unable to maintain a clear view of the activities of customers dispensing gasoline, or to give their undivided attention to observing customers; therefore, when customers, rather than attendants, are permitted to dispense fuel, it is far more difficult to enforce compliance with safety procedures;

c. The State needs stronger measures to enforce both compliance by customers with the ban on self-service and compliance by attendants with safety procedures;

d. The higher general liability insurance premium rates charged to self-service stations reflect the fact that customers who leave their vehicles to dispense gasoline or other inflammable liquids face significant inconveniences and dangers, including the risks of crime and fall-related personal injury, which are a special burden to drivers with physical infirmities, such as the handicapped and some senior citizens;

e. Exposure to toxic gasoline fumes represents a health hazard when customers dispense their own gasoline, particularly in the case of pregnant women;

f. The significantly higher prices usually charged for full-service gasoline in states where self-service is permitted results in discrimination against low income individuals, who are under greater economic pressure to undergo the inconvenience and hazards of dispensing their own gasoline;

g. The increasing use of self-service has contributed to the diminished availability of repair facilities and maintenance services at gasoline stations;

h. Even in filling stations which offer both self-service and full-service gasoline, customers are less likely, because of the much higher price usually charged for full service, to have attendants make needed maintenance checks, thus causing significant neglect of maintenance and danger both to the customers and to other motorists, as well as the unneeded costly repairs which often result from deferred maintenance;

i. The prohibition of customer self-service does not constitute a restraint of trade in derogation of the general public interest because the Legislature finds no conclusive evidence that self-service gasoline provides a sustained reduction in gasoline prices charged to customers; and

j. A prohibition of self-service gasoline will therefore promote the common welfare by providing increased safety and convenience without causing economic harm to the public in general.


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RE: Mum Sprayed Petrol On Me!

Thu Jul 14, 2005 12:16 pm

Thank you for posting that, Harry. I always wondered about the reasoning behind NJ’s full-service quirk.

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RE: Mum Sprayed Petrol On Me!

Thu Jul 14, 2005 12:18 pm

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 3):
Exposure to toxic gasoline fumes represents a health hazard when customers dispense their own gasoline

So let one guy do it a hhundred times a day? Thanks.

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RE: Mum Sprayed Petrol On Me!

Thu Jul 14, 2005 12:19 pm

Wash yourself a couple of times using Dawn washing up liquid. Then apply a hand/body lotion.

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RE: Mum Sprayed Petrol On Me!

Thu Jul 14, 2005 12:21 pm

Jason, you really shouldn't let yourself get burned up over something like that.  Smile

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RE: Mum Sprayed Petrol On Me!

Thu Jul 14, 2005 12:22 pm

So let one guy do it a hhundred times a day? Thanks.

Haha, I know, I didn't even think of that.  Smile

To answer the thread starter's questions, here is a pdf about gasoline exposure. It doesn't sound too serious, although it can lead to the irritation you described.

http://www.chevron.com/products/abou...g_gasoline_handling_guidelines.pdf

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RE: Mum Sprayed Petrol On Me!

Thu Jul 14, 2005 12:26 pm

NJ is on crack... I'll make sure we never fill up in NJ when we go there.. they don't need our tax money from gas.
 
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RE: Mum Sprayed Petrol On Me!

Thu Jul 14, 2005 12:28 pm

NJ is on crack... I'll make sure we never fill up in NJ when we go there.. they don't need our tax money from gas.

All of NJ isn't on crack, just most of the people in Newark, Irvington, and Camden.  Wink

Anyway, don't want cheap gas, that's up to you. Big grin

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RE: Mum Sprayed Petrol On Me!

Thu Jul 14, 2005 12:30 pm

I know, it is wierd they are all full service, and they are on crack, NO LEFT TURNS lolol.

In NY it is half and half. Always go to the Full side so you don't get your hands dity (My philosphy, lol don't worry not gay though)

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RE: Mum Sprayed Petrol On Me!

Thu Jul 14, 2005 12:31 pm

NO LEFT TURNS lolol.

The infamous land of the jughandle.  Wink

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RE: Mum Sprayed Petrol On Me!

Thu Jul 14, 2005 12:35 pm

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 3):
Yes, quite odd. Thank God I drive to PA and NY quite frequently, or I never would have learned how to pump my own gas. I have a lot of friends, who have driven for years, who still don't.

Sounds so typical of a Blue State Mentality...

Keep the poor people poor...

How? Well, I guess the legislature in NJ think the people in that state are too stupid to pump their own gas safely, so they go mandate that every station in the state create minimum wage jobs to pump gas.

Thus, charging customers more thru higher prices (thats where they get more tax money), and making owners provide people to pump. Well, we all know that they will be low wage jobs, thus keeping more people in the "Trap" known as government assistance. Thus, more voters.

See? Typical Blue State Mentality.
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RE: Mum Sprayed Petrol On Me!

Thu Jul 14, 2005 12:38 pm

While you might think NJ is crazy for having full-serve only... then why is gas cheaper there than in New York?
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RE: Mum Sprayed Petrol On Me!

Thu Jul 14, 2005 12:40 pm

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 13):
Thus, charging customers more thru higher prices (thats where they get more tax money), and making owners provide people to pump.

New Jersey gas is a lot cheaper than New York gas. Every time my family is in NJ, we try to fill up before we go back into New York. Sometimes, we'll even go to New Jersey specifically to get gas (though the increased tolls on the way back have somewhat lessened the cost-effectiveness of that).

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RE: Mum Sprayed Petrol On Me!

Thu Jul 14, 2005 12:46 pm

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 10):
All of NJ isn't on crack, just most of the people in Newark, Irvington, and Camden.

 rotfl 

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 13):
Sounds so typical of a Blue State Mentality...

Keep the poor people poor...

 wideeyed  tapedshut 

Quoting DesertJets (Reply 14):
then why is gas cheaper there than in New York?

Gasoline is refined to each jurisdictions’ standard ~ each state (and in some cases, counties, too) have different regulations. Supply and demand, guess the refineries producing fuel for NY State need to crank up.

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RE: Mum Sprayed Petrol On Me!

Thu Jul 14, 2005 12:47 pm

While you might think NJ is crazy for having full-serve only... then why is gas cheaper there than in New York?

I think it is a combination of local refineries and low gas taxes. For example, Jersey gas tax is somewhere near 14 cents a gallon, where NY is above 30 cents.

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RE: Mum Sprayed Petrol On Me!

Thu Jul 14, 2005 1:35 pm

ok, ok... I really didnt think i was really going to be all that sick, but my dad worries and makes everything seem worse than what it really is. he gets the whole family in a paninc for nothin.

thanks for your help you lot

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RE: Mum Sprayed Petrol On Me!

Thu Jul 14, 2005 1:40 pm

"mum"

"petrol"

Are you British?
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RE: Mum Sprayed Petrol On Me!

Thu Jul 14, 2005 2:30 pm

To get rid of spilled gasoline on your clothing and skin, apply a flame. Gets rid of it fast!
 
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RE: Mum Sprayed Petrol On Me!

Thu Jul 14, 2005 3:10 pm

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 6):
Wash yourself a couple of times using Dawn washing up liquid. Then apply a hand/body lotion.

Actually Joy soap cuts it better, that is what we used to use to hide a fuel spill from the Department of Enviromental Conservation.


But serious gasoline is a chemical and it will chemically burn. That burning process is what you where feeling when you felt the leg start to tingle. Remove the soaked clothing and wash as soon as practicable.

I one time had a very nasty burn caused by Jet fuel on my leg, took a long time to clean up.
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RE: Mum Sprayed Petrol On Me!

Thu Jul 14, 2005 3:20 pm

Oregon is the only other state where you're not allowed to pump your own gas. There have been several times driving between SEA and PDX when I've gotten out of the car to do it myself only to have the attendant run up to me all in a panic. He then sees my Washington plates and just shakes his head.

On the plus side, gas is about 20 cents per gallon cheaper across the Columbia, especially as the Washington Legislature just upped the gas tax by 10 cents. I'm not complaining though, we need the money because the state's whole infrastructure is beginning to fall apart.

What might bring gas prices down is for the EPA to set a national standard for refining that all states must subscribe to.

But then, that would make too much sense.

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RE: Mum Sprayed Petrol On Me!

Thu Jul 14, 2005 6:57 pm

Quoting N808NW (Thread starter):
what I'm worried about is that it took us about 10min later until we got home, in that time my leg started to sting,

Sorry to hear about your incident... on a lighter note, do you shave your legs?  tongue   Wink
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RE: Mum Sprayed Petrol On Me!

Thu Jul 14, 2005 7:00 pm

Oregon is the only other state where you're not allowed to pump your own gas. There have been several times driving between SEA and PDX when I've gotten out of the car to do it myself only to have the attendant run up to me all in a panic. He then sees my Washington plates and just shakes his head.

Funny, that doesn't happen much here in NJ, mainly because I'm pretty sure everyone knows already that we're messed up. Big grin

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RE: Mum Sprayed Petrol On Me!

Thu Jul 14, 2005 7:01 pm

Quoting N808NW (Thread starter):
Mum Sprayed Petrol On Me!

[sarcasm] Oh, poor little you! [/sarcasm]

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RE: Mum Sprayed Petrol On Me!

Thu Jul 14, 2005 8:59 pm

Quoting BaylorAirBear (Reply 2):
a dude wasn't watching his pump and it started to over flow.

Errr... the pump doesn't switch off once the tank is full? When I fill up the car, it's virtually impossible to make the tank overflow. Can be a pain in the behind if you don't want to pay 44,53 but 45,00.
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RE: Mum Sprayed Petrol On Me!

Thu Jul 14, 2005 9:06 pm

Dude I don't think your mum/mom likes you... Perhaps you should consider moving out... She did it on purpose. I can tell.  tongue 

Btw, I wouldn't worry about the fuel on your leg... you'll live. Its won't eat your skin or anything like that.
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RE: Mum Sprayed Petrol On Me!

Thu Jul 14, 2005 11:20 pm

Quoting L-188 (Reply 21):
Actually Joy soap cuts it better, that is what we used to use to hide a fuel spill from the Department of Enviromental Conservation.

But serious gasoline is a chemical and it will chemically burn.

OK, you're not only talking out of your a**, but you openly admit to covering up releases that may have been reportable to the state. Fine, break the law if you want, but at least let's get the science right:

Gasoline is not "a" chemical. It is a mixture of chemicals that includes mainly branched alkanes, alkenes and BTEX (benzene, toluene, ethylbenzene, and xylenes). The heaviest end of gasoline is the polynuclear aromatic hydrocarbon naphthalene. None of the constituents in gasoline cause chemical burns. The tingling N808NW felt was the removal of natural oils from the skin, and exposure of this skin to an unfamiliar environment (i.e., no natural moisturization from these oils).

As for "getting sick," gasoline presents the greatest hazard from an inhalation standpoint. Dermal absorption of many of the constituents will happen, but if you removed the affected clothing quickly, this should not be too much of an issue. You experienced an acute exposure. Typically, acute exposure result in immediate effects (e.g., death). If nothing happened, then your acute issues are probably over. However, this exposure will also be averaged out over the next weeks, months and years in terms of the levels of gasoline constituents you've come into contact with (as you will have other exposures; these compounds are everywhere). My advice: speak to your doctor, and see if a blood or urine test is appropriate. It's true that some people handle gasoline everyday and live to be 100, and others get cancer when they are 10 years old, so variability is an important point.
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RE: Mum Sprayed Petrol On Me!

Fri Jul 15, 2005 2:49 am

Quoting Aloges (Reply 26):
Errr... the pump doesn't switch off once the tank is full?

The guy had his gas cap wedged in the pump handle, so it was only flowing at about 3/4. Maybe there wasn't enough back pressure, or whatever, to shut off the pump. I didn't even get a thank you, cinsidering his wife and kids were in the car. Next time I'll just light a match.

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RE: Mum Sprayed Petrol On Me!

Fri Jul 15, 2005 3:08 am

There is such a thing as a broken automatic-shut-off mechanism. Tom and Ray discussed it this past week.

http://www.cartalk.com/content/columns/Archive/2005/July/01.html
 
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RE: Mum Sprayed Petrol On Me!

Fri Jul 15, 2005 4:16 am

Quoting N808NW (Thread starter):
My mum and I were taking our friends back to MSP for their flight back to LGW. But first she needed to pick me up from work. When I got in the car she said we needed petrol so we had to quickly hurry and then go back home to load the car with our guest's bags.

Having grown up in the MSP area I can tell you that the first problem is that you were trying to buy "petrol". No such animal. You can buy "gas" or "gasohol" but not petrol. No Minnesotan in their right mind would pay $2 a liter for "petrol"...  Smile
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RE: Mum Sprayed Petrol On Me!

Fri Jul 15, 2005 4:29 am

New Jersey says:
"The significantly higher prices usually charged for full-service gasoline in states where self-service is permitted results in discrimination against low income individuals, who are under greater economic pressure to undergo the inconvenience and hazards of dispensing their own gasoline;"


New Jersey says:
"the Legislature finds no conclusive evidence that self-service gasoline provides a sustained reduction in gasoline prices charged to customers;"


No wonder John Kerry carried New Jersey.
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RE: Mum Sprayed Petrol On Me!

Fri Jul 15, 2005 5:07 am

While we're on the subject of petrol, does anybody know at what rate the kerosine can be pumped into the A380? I've heard that in order to facilitate efficient turnarounds for the immense tanks, it's higher than today's usual figures, and the B744 already had an astonishing rate. Just curious  Smile
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RE: Mum Sprayed Petrol On Me!

Fri Jul 15, 2005 5:15 am

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 13):
Sounds so typical of a Blue State Mentality...

I hope you're just kidding since there are no other Blue States (other than Oregon) that do this.

Quoting N808NW (Thread starter):
It sprayed all over my left leg for about a second, then she just pointed it at the ground and tried to turn it off. the gas went everywhere.

I don't know how the pumps in MSP are, but here in California you have to put a good amount of pressure on the handle to get the gas flowing.
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RE: Mum Sprayed Petrol On Me!

Fri Jul 15, 2005 5:26 am

Quoting BaylorAirBear (Reply 29):
Next time I'll just light a match.

Reminds me of The Blues Brothers... you know the movie?
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RE: Mum Sprayed Petrol On Me!

Fri Jul 15, 2005 6:14 am

Yeah, I'm half English and I'm around lots of English people here... My mum's friends. I don't have a strong accent but it is there.... It comes and goes depending on who I'm talking too. I was born in Chicago and lived there for about 2 years. I lived in England for 5 years, moved to GRB then MSP. Our family goes back ever summer for a few weeks too. Hope that sums it up for ya.


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RE: Mum Sprayed Petrol On Me!

Fri Jul 15, 2005 7:01 am

no, I don't think anything will happen to your skin. I once got gas in my eye and THAT HURT!!!!!! I was a young kid and when it happened, my mother started to panic and yelling so a lady from the pump beside ours gave my mom her bottle of water and she flushed my eye out...thankfully, there was no permanent damage...that I know of!  Big grin
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RE: Mum Sprayed Petrol On Me!

Fri Jul 15, 2005 7:55 am

Quoting CORULEZ05 (Reply 37):
there was no permanent damage...

To your eye.
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RE: Mum Sprayed Petrol On Me!

Fri Jul 15, 2005 8:15 am

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 9):



Quoting Iowaman (Reply 9):
NJ is on crack... I'll make sure we never fill up in NJ when we go there.. they don't need our tax money from gas.

Fine, but NJ has the lowest gas tax, so therefore has the lowest average gas price in the country. You're just jealous, just admit. Gas is about 2.17 where i live
 
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RE: Mum Sprayed Petrol On Me!

Fri Jul 15, 2005 8:52 am

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 24):
Funny, that doesn't happen much here in NJ, mainly because I'm pretty sure everyone knows already that we're messed up.

I've absentmindedly gotten out of the car in NJ and tried to pump my own gas...but the guys run up pretty quickly and I remember that I'm not in Washington any more, Toto.  Smile
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RE: Mum Sprayed Petrol On Me!

Fri Jul 15, 2005 2:42 pm

Quoting Aloges (Reply 35):
Reminds me of The Blues Brothers... you know the movie?

Indeed. It will always be in my greatest hits collection.

Quoting CORULEZ05 (Reply 37):
I once got gas in my eye

Me too. When I was about 5 or 6, I was on a job site with my dad(construction). I saw him rinse his face out of a can and tried to emulate that. Well, the water can was next to the gas can...and you can fill in the rest. It was before I knew blue was water and red was gas.

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RE: Mum Sprayed Petrol On Me!

Fri Jul 15, 2005 3:28 pm

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 28):
Gasoline is not "a" chemical. It is a mixture of chemicals that includes mainly branched alkanes, alkenes and BTEX (benzene, toluene, ethylbenzene, and xylenes

Correct, I should have said a mix of chemicals, that burn at a specification.

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 28):
tingling N808NW felt was the removal of natural oils from the skin,

Sure sounds likes a chemical burn to me. And all I know that time I got my leg soaked in Jet-A and wasn't able to change, it took a couple weeks to heel up....damm lear tip-tanks.

Quoting FlyAUA (Reply 33):
I've heard that in order to facilitate efficient turnarounds for the immense tanks, it's higher than today's usual figures, and the B744 already had an astonishing rate

If memory serves a standard aircraft single-point will handle 600GPM, with those big boys you are running 1200 GPM, through two connections. And then there is another one on the other side of the aircraft, so you can pump 2400 GPM to the aircraft.

Now that being said, I have seen a hydrant truck that was only run at 300 GPM at 45PSI because the company didn't need a 600 GPM fueling rate with teh gear they where running. I didn't work the fuel farm so I didn't have to deal with changing the filters but I was told it was done so they didn't have to order so many filters.

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 28):
but you openly admit to covering up releases that may have been reportable to the state.

Calm down. The idea is to not spill it in the first place. Besides, I didn't work fueling. But I was part of the oil spill response crew if something happened. Never was an issue, but running a booming drill on the water in the Aleutian Islands in weather was not my idea of fun.

I personally fish in the water that would have been contaminated if anything spilled.
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RE: Mum Sprayed Petrol On Me!

Mon Jul 18, 2005 4:58 am

Quoting Pilotsmoe (Reply 39):
Gas is about 2.17 where i live

We payed $2.06 at Wal-mart a couple days ago...
 
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RE: Mum Sprayed Petrol On Me!

Mon Jul 18, 2005 5:09 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 42):
If memory serves a standard aircraft single-point will handle 600GPM, with those big boys you are running 1200 GPM, through two connections. And then there is another one on the other side of the aircraft, so you can pump 2400 GPM to the aircraft.

Now that being said, I have seen a hydrant truck that was only run at 300 GPM at 45PSI because the company didn't need a 600 GPM fueling rate with teh gear they where running. I didn't work the fuel farm so I didn't have to deal with changing the filters but I was told it was done so they didn't have to order so many filters

WOW! And I thought the pumps with F1 cars were powerful  eyepopping 

Thanks for the info!
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