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Barry Bonds May Not Return This Year

Sat Jul 16, 2005 2:29 am

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2108582

What a shock. Stop the presses. Color me surprised.

Of course he isn't going to play this year! I called this months ago. Here's the script: the dude is off the juice, he's losing weight, certainly doing rehab, but the absence allows him to get and stay clean, and when he returns, he'll claim that he lost the weight so as not to put overdue stress on the knee.

It's all so predictable and scripted....
 
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RE: Barry Bonds May Not Return This Year

Sat Jul 16, 2005 2:41 am

I'll agree with you, Slider. I wouldn't shed a single tear if Bonds never returned to baseball. Screw Mr. "I can't throw out Sid 'I run like I've got JCS17 tied to my back' Bream." If anyone doesn't agree with Slider on this, put down the orange and black Kool-Aid and think about it. Baroid (if I may borrow KROC's nickname for him) goes from this when he was with the Pirates:



to this:



Somehow I don't think the weight room in San Francisco is THAT much better than the one in Pittsburgh.

Even more disgraceful is that that joke of a commissioner, Bud Selig, did nothing about this until the heat really came on. I've said it before and I'll say it again - Selig could have found a box of syringes and a big barrel labeled "BARRY'S STEROIDS" in the Giants clubhouse and would have done jack. Baseball needs a commissioner with a backbone. Deride Gary Bettman all you want to for the NHL lockout, but the man had a backbone to stick to his guns. Selig goes whichever the way the wind (and consequently his bad rug) blows. Give me a modern-day Kennesaw Mountain Landis to do what needs to be done to clean up America's pasttime. /rant.
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RE: Barry Bonds May Not Return This Year

Sat Jul 16, 2005 2:46 am

So does this mean that the Giants may go on a loosing streak?
If so, that's great!
That means shorter season, which means less traffic jams!
The train line I use to&from work is the only line that goes to that damn ballpark. If there is a game, it can take up to 90 minutes to get home instead of the normal 25 minutes.
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RE: Barry Bonds May Not Return This Year

Sat Jul 16, 2005 2:47 am

Bonds not returning? Better for baseball. He needs to retire quietly and try to avoid damaging baseball any further.


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RE: Barry Bonds May Not Return This Year

Sat Jul 16, 2005 2:48 am

I'd miss Bonds about as much as a f#@king hemorrhoid.
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RE: Barry Bonds May Not Return This Year

Sat Jul 16, 2005 2:54 am

Quoting DL021 (Reply 3):
GP Buddy, you gotta let go of that moment. I never will, but you should move on.org there....

Sorry, Ian, but I can't. From that moment on it's been a blur of losing season after losing season with the occasional "demolition of 3 Rivers," and "Randall Simon attacks giant sausage" to break the monotony up. How can I not forget that an outfielder sitting at short couldn't throw out Sid Bream - a man who once was in a footrace with a pregnant woman and finished 3rd?
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RE: Barry Bonds May Not Return This Year

Sat Jul 16, 2005 2:54 am

Bonds never returning would be great for baseball. Also would be great to keep the all-time homer record intact and not tainted.

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RE: Barry Bonds May Not Return This Year

Sat Jul 16, 2005 3:30 am

I was a Bonds fan. What a player!
But the steroids issue has left me
bitter and like most of you,Bonds
should not returned.With Mcguire,
I'm not happy.

As a Giants/Angels/Padres fan,
The Giants need to rebuild
and get on with life.

Aaron,Ruth and Mays never
cheated.
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RE: Barry Bonds May Not Return This Year

Sat Jul 16, 2005 3:32 am

ho-hum


yaaaaaawwwwwwn


yeah..............whatever
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RE: Barry Bonds May Not Return This Year

Sat Jul 16, 2005 4:18 am

Quoting Aerobalance (Reply 8):
ho-hum


yaaaaaawwwwwwn


yeah..............whatever

I believe that is your most complete and accurate analysis yet!
 
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RE: Barry Bonds May Not Return This Year

Sat Jul 16, 2005 4:28 am

Quoting WellHung (Reply 9):
I believe that is your most complete and accurate analysis yet!

F*ck, now you're obsessed with me? Damn! Go away!!
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RE: Barry Bonds May Not Return This Year

Sat Jul 16, 2005 4:30 am

And Hammerin Hanks's home run record is safe once more.....or at least for another 6-7 til A-Rod gets up there.

Tom at MSY

edit: it's Friday, forgive my typo

[Edited 2005-07-15 21:36:45]
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RE: Barry Bonds May Not Return This Year

Sat Jul 16, 2005 4:31 am

Who cares? He's a cry baby roid head who cries because the media covers him. I don't care if he never comes back to baseball. Baseball is better off without him. We wouldn't have to wonder how many home runs he could have hit off of steriods.
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RE: Barry Bonds May Not Return This Year

Sat Jul 16, 2005 4:47 am

I've seen Barry Bonds play baseball on TV for many years. Look at his long career, maybe a sign of aging? Most MVPs played for at least 20 years.

When he is officially retired from playing, I am sure he will be a coach, then manager, or do the baseball talk on TV.. who knows..

He'll be around for years to come, IMO.
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RE: Barry Bonds May Not Return This Year

Sat Jul 16, 2005 4:52 am

Quoting Wayfarer (Reply 13):
When he is officially retired from playing, I am sure he will be a coach, then manager, or do the baseball talk on TV.. who knows..

Or perhaps a team pharmacist.

Tom at MSY
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RE: Barry Bonds May Not Return This Year

Sat Jul 16, 2005 4:54 am

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 14):
Or perhaps a team pharmacist.

Pro wrestling, maybe? I mean they give you the steroids for free there.
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RE: Barry Bonds May Not Return This Year

Sat Jul 16, 2005 10:26 am

Who cares if the guy took steroids? Do you think anyone can take steroids and become one of the best hitters in the game?
 
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RE: Barry Bonds May Not Return This Year

Sat Jul 16, 2005 10:30 am

Quoting Psa53 (Reply 7):

Aaron,Ruth and Mays never
cheated.

And Ruth drank like a fish, smoked like a chimney, and his exercise program consisted of screwing hookers.........
 
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RE: Barry Bonds May Not Return This Year

Sat Jul 16, 2005 10:44 am

Anyone else feeling sympathy for poor Pedro Gomez of ESPN? He'll have to find a new job that doesn't involve being Barry Bonds' media bitch...

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RE: Barry Bonds May Not Return This Year

Sat Jul 16, 2005 12:35 pm

Quoting B744F (Reply 16):
Who cares if the guy took steroids?

Clearly everybody in this thread except you. It casts huge shadows onto the guy's record for one. How much of his records was natural talent and how much was 'roids? Look at Canseco. The man admits he roided up throughout his career and that without steroids he probably would have just been some average player. I say that if Selig had a pair he'd slap down a lifetime ban on Canseco, strip all his records, make him ineligible for the Hall and, in short, treat his entire career as a nonevent. Same thing for the Walking Steroid. Somehow magically he goes from jacking an average of 25 HR/season as a Pirate to 43 HR/season in San Francisco? Especially considering he played 7 years in one of the least homerun friendly ballparks in the majors (Candlestick Park)? I don't buy it for a second and strongly believe that if Bonds returns to baseball (which I hope and pray he never does), we'll see his HR average return to something slightly more human.

One of the best hitters in the game? How can you compare the man to a Ruth or an Aaron or a Maris when, to the very best of our knowledge, their records were untainted by chemical enhancement. It's an insult to the men who wrote the records that Bonds is cheating his way to breaking.
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RE: Barry Bonds May Not Return This Year

Sat Jul 16, 2005 9:03 pm

We watch sports because as a society we need to see our competitive urges exemplified. We need heroes and examples that can do the things that we cannot, persons that we can cheer and exhort as if they were our friends, people we can emulate in our back yards and park fields and courts, even though we can't match their physical prowess. We need the hope that we, our friends or our progeny can compete in that arena sometime.

Since we have moved beyond gladatorial combat we now have sports that involve different forms of competition as well as differing degrees of violence and various methods to achieve. All of this, however, involves a set of rules designed to make our competitions more civilized than those performed in the Flavian Amphitheatre or the Circus Maximus. Without these rules our sports would naturally devolve into more primitive forms and the potential for death and the level violence would increase as a normal means of increasing the level of competition in order to win. This happens enough with sports such as football and auto racing, to the point that increasing rules must be levied in order to reduce the level of danger to the participants as the speeds of the cars and the sizes of the players continues to increase. Without these rules we could devolve these games we watch into what came before. Our games are a reflection of our society, and supposed to be the best examples of our society.

As a society we also set certain standards and ethics of fair play. By taking these drugs to gain that level of achievement Bonds has diminished its value, and made it artificially difficult for those attempting to follow and cheer. We want to see the men and women who can excel naturally. We lose respect and faith when the sports heroes cheat the system in order to increase their abilities. We lose interest in the records when they are broken by those who cheat, and that causes us to lose interest in the sports themselves and seek to create other diversions. We want honest competition. Not rigged or altered circus acts. We can go to Ringling Brothers, Barnum & Bailey for that.

Today the real heroes are the men and women who put themselves in danger every day, both in the military and here at home. These real heroes who endure real sacrifice of their time, limb and life are not making heroic salaries nor are they becoming internationally famous. They are, however, also looking for their diversions and sports heroes. I think that the people who take the big salaries and accept the societal accolades, especially from the real heroes who are saving our and risking their lives every day here and abroad, should do it right. They should play fair and practice good sportsmanship. Otherwise they should join the Army and learn what the hard life of a real hero is all about.
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RE: Barry Bonds May Not Return This Year

Sat Jul 16, 2005 9:09 pm

Quoting B744F (Reply 16):
Who cares if the guy took steroids?

Isn't there a three strike rule around here somewhere?
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RE: Barry Bonds May Not Return This Year

Sun Jul 17, 2005 6:55 am

Frankly, my darling, who gives a shit?
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RE: Barry Bonds May Not Return This Year

Mon Jul 18, 2005 11:28 pm

DL021- Post of the week, man. Post of the week.  Smile

Quoting B744F (Reply 16):
Who cares if the guy took steroids? Do you think anyone can take steroids and become one of the best hitters in the game?

Roids will take a guy who already has the hand-eye coordination and make that ball go further. Hence, more HRs. Hence, cheating. Try again.
 
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RE: Barry Bonds May Not Return This Year

Tue Jul 19, 2005 5:37 am

I really hope Bonds does not return to the game. Even if he comes off of steroids, the damage has already been done. His home run total is within easy reach of Babe Ruth and he could still overcome Hank Aaron, even off of the steroids. It would be like driving most of the way up Peaks Peak, walking the last 50 feet, and telling everyone that you climbed the mountain. If he should reach one or both of those benchmarks, there will forever be controversy about how he achieved that. Already, the season record is tainted, so now the all time record is in jeopardy. The sports world will be divided on the issue of the "true" home run champion if Bonds hits over Aaron's total. Therefore, the best thing would be for him to just go away. Ideally, his record (along with everyone else who used steroids) should be removed from the books, but I do not see that happening.
 
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RE: Barry Bonds May Not Return This Year

Tue Jul 19, 2005 10:25 am

Quoting DL021 (Reply 20):
We watch sports because as a society we need to see our competitive urges exemplified.

Don't throw this "we" stuff in there. Many of "us" are way beyond our childhood.

Quoting Slider (Reply 23):
Roids will take a guy who already has the hand-eye coordination and make that ball go further. Hence, more HRs. Hence, cheating. Try again.

Cheating? It's just a stupid game, who cares what the guy does? What he does is and has been done by countless others, people have always looked for ways to get an advantage. Stop idolizing these people and demanding perfection and then they won't strive to do such things.
 
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RE: Barry Bonds May Not Return This Year

Tue Jul 19, 2005 10:47 am

Quoting B744F (Reply 25):
Many of "us" are way beyond our childhood.

Dude, your sanctimonious diatribe only plays out so far. Go find a women's support group to bitch to. I'm a liberal, a musician, and a sports nut. I've protected this nation's drinking water (and continue to do so), played at some of the finest venues in Boston and the surrounding area, and cried my eyes out when the Patriots and Red Sox finally brought it home. No shame in that.

Please shut the hell up, as you are embarrasing yourself, and giving liberals a bad name. As if we didn't have enough problems there.
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RE: Barry Bonds May Not Return This Year

Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:10 am

Quoting B744F (Reply 25):
It's just a stupid game, who cares what the guy does?

I'm inclined to agree with Logan on this. I inherited a love for sports from my dad who went to his grave wishing he'd been able to see the Pirates win just one more World Series, or the Steelers one more Super Bowl, or the Penguins one more Stanley Cup. Grown-up? I'd rather be called infantile for my love of sports by you than to be "adult" and have become so cynical, embittered, and heartless to realize that baseball and sports in general are more than just a game to a lot of people. However, let me put it like this.

1) Yes, baseball is a game. But baseball, like almost all human-created institutions has rules. Bonds is breaking those rules and society has determined that breaking rules requires consequences. It is time for Bonds to face those consequences.

2) Baseball is also a business. When owners are shelling out $22,000,000 salaries on some players (as Bonds earned last year), those players become investments. For a player to endanger himself by taking steroids represents a potential loss in revenue in a multitude of ways. If I were the owner of the Giants, I'd sure as hell care that one of my biggest investments was endangering himself, the team, and most importantly my investment in him.

3) Baseball is also about nostalgia. We don't demand "perfection" from our players. If every man on that diamond was perfect, it'd be a damned boring game. The dropped ball that leads to the come-from-behind win wouldn't ever occur, batters getting snookered by an off-speed pitch wouldn't happen, and it'd be a tedious affair. Baseball's heroes were great, but they were men all the same - imperfect beings. Even All Stars had their imperfections, both on and off the field. The notable point is that with rare exception, they followed the rules of the game and avoided performance enhancers. If Babe Ruth could post his record in the dead ball era of baseall, why can't Bonds do it naturally? It smacks of cowardice, insecurity, and lack of maturity.

In the meantime, I suggest you go to a ballgame sometime and tell the old guy who still has a twinkle in his eye at seeing a beautiful day game that he needs to "grow up." I'd love to see his reaction.
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RE: Barry Bonds May Not Return This Year

Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:36 am

As Terrance Mann (James Earl Jones) once said in one of my favorite movies, Field of Dreams:

"Ray, people will come, Ray. They'll come to Iowa for reasons they can't even fathom. They'll turn into the driveway, not knowing for sure why they're doing it. They'll arrive at your door as innocent as children, longing for the past. "Of course we won't mind if you have a look around," you'll say. "It's only twenty dollars per person." They'll pass over the money without even thinking about it; for it is money they have and peace they lack.

They'll walk out to the bleachers, sit in shirt-sleeves on a perfect afternoon. They'll find they have reserved seats somewhere along one of the baselines, where they sat when they were children and cheered their heroes. And they'll watch the game, and it'll be as if they had dipped themselves in magic waters. The memories will be so thick they'll have to brush them away from their faces.

People will come, Ray.

The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers; it has been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt, and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game, is a part of our past, Ray. It reminds us of all that once was good, and it could be again. Ohhhh, people will come, Ray. People will most definitely come."
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RE: Barry Bonds May Not Return This Year

Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:40 am

Quoting N317AS (Reply 28):
As Terrance Mann (James Earl Jones) once said in one of my favorite movies, Field of Dreams:

"Ray, people will come, Ray. They'll come to Iowa for reasons they can't even fathom. They'll turn into the driveway, not knowing for sure why they're doing it. They'll arrive at your door as innocent as children, longing for the past. "Of course we won't mind if you have a look around," you'll say. "It's only twenty dollars per person." They'll pass over the money without even thinking about it; for it is money they have and peace they lack.

They'll walk out to the bleachers, sit in shirt-sleeves on a perfect afternoon. They'll find they have reserved seats somewhere along one of the baselines, where they sat when they were children and cheered their heroes. And they'll watch the game, and it'll be as if they had dipped themselves in magic waters. The memories will be so thick they'll have to brush them away from their faces.

People will come, Ray.

The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers; it has been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt, and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game, is a part of our past, Ray. It reminds us of all that once was good, and it could be again. Ohhhh, people will come, Ray. People will most definitely come."

Easily my favorite piece of dialogue from any movie.
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RE: Barry Bonds May Not Return This Year

Wed Jul 20, 2005 12:26 am



I'm not surprised, he must be in his 50's. He was a great player in his day, but I don't think he will help West Ham's Premiership survival bid. duck 

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