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Old Glory In The Toilet

Fri Jul 22, 2005 2:23 pm

Sacramento -- A painting of the United States sinking into a toilet now on display in the cafeteria of the state Department of Justice has raised the ire of the state Republican Party, which is demanding that Attorney General Bill Lockyer remove the image.

The painting -- part of an exhibit of more than 30 works by lawyer artists and pieces with overt legal themes -- has an American flag-painted continental United States heading into a toilet. Next to it are the words: "T'anks to Mr. Bush."


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RE: Old Glory In The Toilet

Fri Jul 22, 2005 2:27 pm

Does art work fall under the freedom of speech bit of the constitution?
 
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RE: Old Glory In The Toilet

Fri Jul 22, 2005 2:32 pm

Okay, this is in the state DOJ cafeteria... Yeah, and we wonder why OJ and Jacko got off. What a joke. I strongly disagree with the idea of partisan art being hung in a place where law is supposed to supercede race, religious, and political backgrounds. Whether it's art by Republican or Democrat lawyer/artists, any sort of overtly political theme should not be displayed in a building of law.
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RE: Old Glory In The Toilet

Fri Jul 22, 2005 2:45 pm

Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 1):
Does art work fall under the freedom of speech bit of the constitution?

So if I go and urinate on this "lawyer artwork", am I protected under the right to freespeech?
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RE: Old Glory In The Toilet

Fri Jul 22, 2005 2:57 pm

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 3):
So if I go and urinate on this "lawyer artwork", am I protected under the right to freespeech?

No, because you would be damaging artwork owned by the artist. Destruction of property. If you wanted to recreate the artwork and then urinate on it - that would be okay.

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Fri Jul 22, 2005 3:04 pm

Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 4):
No, because you would be damaging artwork owned by the artist. Destruction of property. If you wanted to recreate the artwork and then urinate on it - that would be okay.

Oh well, can't blame a guy for trying.
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Fri Jul 22, 2005 3:21 pm

I remember what happened back in 1989/1990 with the Chicago Art Institute student who got flamed for his "art work" of having the United States Flag on the ground for people to step on...it was HUGE news back then...all over the majour networks...

coicidentally, the Art Institute teacher there was my art teacher @ my also college back in 1990...couldn't stand her.....she didn't like me too much either, except for my "fuck happens" SoundGarden t-shirt that I used to wear in college..hehe..bit rebellious back then..
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Fri Jul 22, 2005 3:46 pm

Since Republicans made the outcry on this (and, though, not a Republican, I can't stand it myself), I wonder what the outcry from would be if someone painted Hiliary Clinton's face on the porcelain on the inside-bottom of a toilet and tried to display it? Is that still freedom of speech? Both that and this described here are disgusting images, but would the outcry be the same? Would one be judged more harshly than the other? The answer is that the outcry would be different. Republicans would be indifferent (and some laughing) and Democrats would be flailing away. The point is, there's a line that's been crossed here - but, if not, and it's ok to make such representations, then where is the line drawn? Or is there a line? If some people want to have their freedom of speech expressed in such manner, then other people (like me) should have the freedom of speech to decry that use of it.

But then it ends up that whoever feels like they're on the short end of that confrontation cries that they've been wrongfully censored, and then it turns into more arguing and bitterness, and then finally it all dies down (just in time for it to be revived and rehashed here at Anet  biggrin  ).

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Fri Jul 22, 2005 3:52 pm

So now maybe the Republicans understand the point of view behind the Ten Commandments Issue? I find that putting both types of images/words in a court of law is tasteless.
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RE: Old Glory In The Toilet

Fri Jul 22, 2005 3:57 pm

Quoting JCS17 (Reply 2):
Okay, this is in the state DOJ cafeteria... Yeah, and we wonder why OJ and Jacko got off. What a joke. I strongly disagree with the idea of partisan art being hung in a place where law is supposed to supercede race, religious, and political backgrounds.

Yet I'm sure you have no problem with the 10 commandments on display at the capitol?
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RE: Old Glory In The Toilet

Fri Jul 22, 2005 3:58 pm

Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 7):
Hiliary Clinton's

There is a HUGE difference between HRC and a sacred symbol.
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RE: Old Glory In The Toilet

Fri Jul 22, 2005 4:41 pm

Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 1):
Does art work fall under the freedom of speech bit of the constitution?

Unfortunately, a lot of stupid shit "falls" under the Freedom of Speech article of the US Constitution . . . taking a shit in public likely would too if done by some activist with his/her panties in a wad because some frickin' tree got cut down . . .

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 3):
So if I go and urinate on this "lawyer artwork", am I protected under the right to freespeech

Gawddamn well better be - and I want to see all the same people that raised billy hell about the Quran and Gitmo jump in there to defend you - and when that happens, I'll be elected Pope, PotUS and Prime Ministrer of the UK, all at once.

There's something about the Stars and Stripes that obviously means more to some of us A-Netters than others . . .

Don't desecrate my Flag, or I'll have your ass . . . if course this is the internet, it ain't like I'm gonna fly to where you are and beat you up  wink .
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RE: Old Glory In The Toilet

Fri Jul 22, 2005 9:00 pm

Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 1):
Does art work fall under the freedom of speech bit of the constitution?

VR, I think you might have missed the memo... effectively it said something to the effect of '9/11 has forced us to suspend the constitution, and common sense'.
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RE: Old Glory In The Toilet

Fri Jul 22, 2005 9:04 pm

Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 4):
Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 3):
So if I go and urinate on this "lawyer artwork", am I protected under the right to freespeech?

No, because you would be damaging artwork owned by the artist. Destruction of property. If you wanted to recreate the artwork and then urinate on it - that would be okay.

Should be ok, as long as you don't get caught  Wink
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RE: Old Glory In The Toilet

Fri Jul 22, 2005 10:41 pm

The flag can't just a a symbol of suppoting the nation. It also has to be a symbol, used in protest, of disagreeing with the government and the country.

If this stupid proposed Amenedment to ban flag burning ever became law, then the flag, and the liberty it represents, is cheapened, and those who say they're for liberty in support of such an amendment are liars.
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Fri Jul 22, 2005 11:17 pm

After nearly forty years of misguided, ill-considered legislation California is bankrupt (except for tax revenues they steal from outside the state) and worse, their silly-ass rules are bankrupting the individual counties.

Then they blame it all on Gray Davis.

Then they sweep Ahnold into office expecting, really believing, that he'd fix everything in six months.

Now you should hear my California friends and family criticise the movie star they cast to play governor!

now this . . .

Some bonehead hires lawyers to create art!

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RE: Old Glory In The Toilet

Sat Jul 23, 2005 12:24 am

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 15):
After nearly forty years of misguided, ill-considered legislation California is bankrupt (except for tax revenues they steal from outside the state) and worse, their silly-ass rules are bankrupting the individual counties.

Then they blame it all on Gray Davis.

Then they sweep Ahnold into office expecting, really believing, that he'd fix everything in six months.

WOW, we agree on something!  Wow!
I voted against the recall anyhow.


As far as the painting goes, it's a very accurate representation of the Bush presidency. This painting is not at all anti-United States. It's expressing how Bush is ruining this great country.
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RE: Old Glory In The Toilet

Sat Jul 23, 2005 12:32 am

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 3):
So if I go and urinate on this "lawyer artwork", am I protected under the right to freespeech?

Perhaps.
But you'd be hauled to the slammer for public indecency.
And you know what happens to pudgy Republicans in San Francisco jails, don't you? Big drag queens named Chableee and Chardonnee make them their bitches.

Quoting JCS17 (Reply 2):
. I strongly disagree with the idea of partisan art being hung in a place where law is supposed to supercede race, religious, and political backgrounds. Whether it's art by Republican or Democrat lawyer/artists, any sort of overtly political theme should not be displayed in a building of law.

I agree. Partisan political art should be displayed elsewhere. The person who allowed this to be displayed should be fired.
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Sat Jul 23, 2005 12:35 am

People in this country would rather burn the Bill of Rights than the US flag.
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RE: Old Glory In The Toilet

Sat Jul 23, 2005 12:58 am

Politically motivated art (in which the message is clear, like this) has no place in a governmental building. It needs to go.

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RE: Old Glory In The Toilet

Sat Jul 23, 2005 12:59 am

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 17):
Big drag queens named Chableee and Chardonnee make them their bitches.

I think their last names are Berringer.

Quoting TUNisia (Reply 18):
People in this country would rather burn the Bill of Rights than the US flag.

Sad, but true.
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RE: Old Glory In The Toilet

Sat Jul 23, 2005 1:03 am

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 10):
There is a HUGE difference between HRC and a sacred symbol.

she is a sacred symbol.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 11):
Unfortunately, a lot of stupid shit "falls" under the Freedom of Speech article of the US Constitution . . . taking a shit in public likely would too if done by some activist with his/her panties in a wad because some frickin' tree got cut down . . .

political speech. so, yes.

Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 4):
Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 3):
So if I go and urinate on this "lawyer artwork", am I protected under the right to freespeech?

No, because you would be damaging artwork owned by the artist. Destruction of property. If you wanted to recreate the artwork and then urinate on it - that would be okay.

correct

Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 1):
Does art work fall under the freedom of speech bit of the constitution?

yes

Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 7):
Or is there a line?

the line is drawn with restrictions called Time, Place, and Manner.

and even though you're all going to run with going "well, dat dere flag werk ain't time, no place, and no manner."

read up on it before you all go posting blindly about it.
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RE: Old Glory In The Toilet

Sat Jul 23, 2005 1:05 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 16):
As far as the painting goes, it's a very accurate representation of the Bush presidency. This painting is not at all anti-United States. It's expressing how Bush is ruining this great country.

I agree.

But it is still a piece of politically motivated art representing one point of view. As such, it should not be placed in a Government building. I suspect that the representation itself without the words "T'anks to Mr. Bush" may have passed muster, but with that placard, this art becomes a clearly partisan political statement.
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RE: Old Glory In The Toilet

Sat Jul 23, 2005 1:05 am

Quoting JCS17 (Reply 2):
Whether it's art by Republican or Democrat lawyer/artists, any sort of overtly political theme should not be displayed in a building of law.

Well put. The guy has a right to express his political views, but having such a strong partisan statement in a public arena where justice is supposed to be blind, that's just screwed up. If you want to protest the flag, express your partisan political views in your office, or OUTSIDE of a courthouse or law building. I don't agree with his art, or necessarily his views, but if he wants to express a personal political belief like he did, might as well let someone put up a painting of the last supper the Department of Justice as well, since it is a freedom of expression and one's own personal belief.
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RE: Old Glory In The Toilet

Sat Jul 23, 2005 1:07 am

Quoting Greyhound (Reply 23):
Well put. The guy has a right to express his political views, but having such a strong partisan statement in a public arena where justice is supposed to be blind, that's just screwed up.

Maybe we should do the same for the Ten Commandments, since it's become such a strong partisian statement for the right in a public arena where justice is supposed to be blind.

Deal?
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RE: Old Glory In The Toilet

Sat Jul 23, 2005 1:08 am

Quoting STLGph (Reply 21):
well, dat dere flag werk ain't time, no place, and no manner."

read up on it before you all go posting blindly about it.

Sorry, but your attempt at dialect failed utterly. I have no idea what you were trying to say here. Try expressing that idea as yourself, some of us might agree with you!
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RE: Old Glory In The Toilet

Sat Jul 23, 2005 1:09 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 24):
Maybe we should do the same for the Ten Commandments, since it's become such a strong partisian statement for the right in a public arena where justice is supposed to be blind.

Deal?

I agree... either tolerate both or tolerate neither. One way or another.....
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RE: Old Glory In The Toilet

Sat Jul 23, 2005 1:11 am

Quoting Greyhound (Reply 26):
I agree... either tolerate both or tolerate neither. One way or another.....

Unfortunately, there's a group of extremists in this country, who, for them, it's their way or the highway, and they'd agree to get rid of the first but not the second.
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RE: Old Glory In The Toilet

Sat Jul 23, 2005 1:17 am

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 25):
Sorry, but your attempt at dialect failed utterly. I have no idea what you were trying to say here. Try expressing that idea as yourself, some of us might agree with you!

ugh, old schoolers.


here is Time, Place, and Manner.

Time, place and manner restrictions may be placed on expressive activities that occur in or on public forums or limited public forums. Simply, this means that the when, where and how@ of expressive activity may be reasonably regulated to serve a significant government interest if such regulation is: (a) narrowly tailored; (b) without reference to the content of the speech; and (c) leaves ample opportunity for speech in alternative areas or forums. A Asignificant government interest@ includes: (1) the protection and maintenance resources, facilities and property; and (2) the promotion of public health, safety and welfare.

The Supreme Court has recognized that the crucial question [for time, place and manner restrictions] is whether the manner of expression is basically incompatible with the normal activity of a particular place at a particular time, To that end, time, place and manner restrictions may be placed on expressive activities that materially and substantially disrupt the operation or function of a University or interfere with the rights of its students to obtain an education.
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RE: Old Glory In The Toilet

Sat Jul 23, 2005 2:53 am

Quoting STLGph (Reply 21):
the line is drawn with restrictions called Time, Place, and Manner.

Agreed, but most of us, I believe, would adhere to that there is no manner acceptable for flag-burning. It's twisted - the flag is the symbol for the same freedoms that are given to those who would burn that flag. That tells me (and others) that those people are ignorant of what (and who) won their freedoms and are careless to preserve it.

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RE: Old Glory In The Toilet

Sat Jul 23, 2005 3:04 am

Okay STLGph I understand "Time, Place and Manner."

What I was questioning was your use of dialect. Specifically the quote attributed to us all. Again, your use of dialect failed. You were attempting to render a language or manner of speech in which you are apparently not fluent. So, again:

Quoting STLGph (Reply 21):
"well, dat dere flag werk ain't time, no place, and no manner."

What does that mean?
What sort of human being are you attempting to emulate or parody?
What is your point with that line of text?

I'm not trying to provoke argument, I just don't understand your post.
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RE: Old Glory In The Toilet

Sat Jul 23, 2005 3:31 am

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 30):
I'm not trying to provoke argument, I just don't understand your post.

i'll make a deal. you come to stl and we be chill.

by the end of the night, you'll get it completely.

and i'll buy the first five rounds.

or for a short cut.
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Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 29):
Agreed, but most of us, I believe, would adhere to that there is no manner acceptable for flag-burning. It's twisted - the flag is the symbol for the same freedoms that are given to those who would burn that flag. That tells me (and others) that those people are ignorant of what (and who) won their freedoms and are careless to preserve it.

that is a whole other argument for a whole other day. right now destroying your social security card, a $1 bill, or a certified copy of your birth certificate is much more illegal than burning a flag.

and like you said...the flag is a symbol and just that. it's not an official document. it's actual physical value is nothing more than there mere material it is made out of. the olive branch is a symbol, too. but damn, olives sure are tasty. the bald eagle is also a symbol, but that doesn't mean it doesn't make great target practice.

I covered a flag burning protest once and because of Time, Place, Manner, everything was ok by the rules and laws of the land. I must admit burning the flag adds a great smoky flavor to ham though.
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RE: Old Glory In The Toilet

Sat Jul 23, 2005 3:41 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 24):
Maybe we should do the same for the Ten Commandments, since it's become such a strong partisian statement for the right in a public arena where justice is supposed to be blind.

And we did.

The Supreme Court ruled that no "Thou shalt not" stuff in Court Houses.

The issue with this Flag Flushing painting with Dubya's name by it, is more an issue of observing decorum and fairness. Free speech is indeed limited in Court houses. You can't just trot into a judicial proceeding and start singing the blues and hide behind the First Amendment.
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RE: Old Glory In The Toilet

Sat Jul 23, 2005 4:02 am

Quoting STLGph (Reply 31):
and click on the dialectizer.

Okay, I did that. It was rather lame and not particularly accurate. Worse, it does not reverse-translate so I could not discern which of the dialects you were affecting.

So, if you are not ashamed of post #21 would you please tell me what the sentence ""well, dat dere flag werk ain't time, no place, and no manner"

It sounds as if you might me making fun of an ethnic group and I want to be sure before I suggest deletion and possible banning.
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Sat Jul 23, 2005 4:07 am

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 33):
Okay, I did that. It was rather lame and not particularly accurate. Worse, it does not reverse-translate so I could not discern which of the dialects you were affecting.

i'm with you there! i've written strongly worded letters disappointed they don't have a "reverse" feature.

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 33):
It sounds as if you might me making fun of an ethnic group and I want to be sure before I suggest deletion and possible banning.

and what ethnic group would that be? are you only bringing this up because you don't get it? i certainly don't recall you chiming up when people were discussing Asian drivers.

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RE: Old Glory In The Toilet

Sat Jul 23, 2005 4:24 am

Falcon84...a group of extremists for whom it is their way or the highway...hmmm, I guess you have become familiar with the leftwing radicals that are now at the helm of the Democrat Party! We've lost the past several elections, but unless you do things our way, you haven't sought our advice and consent...those guys?!

Anyway, I file this in my great big bin labeled "Who the F*ck Cares?!" For one thing, it looks like a preschool fingerpainting project. Secondly, if it was really a piece of "art" with a message, the "artist" would not need to print any of those ridiculous words down the side. It would certainly be more subtle and creative than a poorly drawn toilet. Oh...oh, I guess the word play of T'anks-Thanks-Tanks (huh huh get it?) took maybe three brain cells to communicate with each other...so I suspect there had to be at least 3 left wingers involved in order to accomplish this masterpiece. This seems to be the extent of the intellect of the Left in this country, so I say, PAINT AWAY...keep 'em coming!

Funny, this POS is "art" but a Nativity scene in December is representative of the downfall of all human rights?! Some people need to get their heads on straight.

I also wouldn't put this in the league of flag burning. A different level of ignorance is required there. Let 'em burn it...it's just a nylon symbol at its base. In the end, the real thing is still there. Now, what if someone flushed one down the toilet, as in the "art"?! Where will the ACLU be then? There are many who love and revere and pledge their lives to that flag...shouldn't they be given the same protections as those who are offended by near-Koran flushings?
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RE: Old Glory In The Toilet

Sat Jul 23, 2005 4:28 am

Quoting Cwapilot (Reply 35):
Let 'em burn it...it's just a nylon symbol at its base. In the end, the real thing is still there.

that's probably the best comment i've ever heard anybody make on this topic.
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RE: Old Glory In The Toilet

Sat Jul 23, 2005 4:29 am

You have a degree in mass communication?
Did it come in a cereal box?

You are a sorry ass communicator. Where IN THE HELL did you go to school?

"dat dere" is a type of language sometimes referred to as "Uncle Remus" and is often intended to be insulting to, or derogatory toward rural, southern black people.

For your information, I was not attacking your position on this thread topic. I was not disagreeing with you in any way. In fact I have not even posted any opinions on this topic other than the inherent silliness of lawyers-as-artists. I'm not even sure how I do feel about this topic.

I was just trying to understand your post.

So, is it some bigot-insider code which I would understand if I was a white southerner? Is it something for which you could be banned? I think it is time for you to explain it and stop being so damn obtuse.

My next communication will be to the administrator if I do not get a serious explanantion.
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RE: Old Glory In The Toilet

Sat Jul 23, 2005 4:33 am

The way I understand it, this piece of art could also mean that traditional American values, like freedom, democracy and justice are being flushed down the toilet by the current administration.

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RE: Old Glory In The Toilet

Sat Jul 23, 2005 4:40 am

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 37):
"dat dere" is a type of language sometimes referred to as "Uncle Remus" and is often intended to be insulting to, or derogatory toward rural, southern black people.

if you weren't so obtuse yourself and would have mentioned this the first time, we wouldn't have a problem, now would we? i can communicate just fine as you don't see me telling people they are sorry asses and ripping on their education, now do you? clarity is class and something i suggest you look into.

but no, i am am not referring to "Uncle Remus." i have never even heard the term "Uncle Remus" until i just read what you wrote. this also has nothing to do with rural, southern black people. i happen to like rural, southern black people, as i think they have some of the best stories one could ever hear to be told.

the comment in question comes from a segment from ESPN's Pardon the Interruption. Tony Kirschner uses this line often for various reasons. watch and you'll see.

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 37):
Where IN THE HELL did you go to school?

University of California -- Boston
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RE: Old Glory In The Toilet

Sat Jul 23, 2005 4:40 am

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 38):
The way I understand it, this piece of art could also mean that traditional American values, like freedom, democracy and justice are being flushed down the toilet by the current administration.

That would be my understanding of it.

The controversy, I suppose, is between three points of view.

1. It is a personal artistic expression by a free man lamenting the erosion of his liberties.
2. It is a partisan criticism of the current administration and therefore out of place in the current venue.
3. Any depiction or use of the US flag that appears to be disrepectful of it is an insult to the brave people who fought for our liberties. (see number 1 above)

I can think of arguments for all three.
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RE: Old Glory In The Toilet

Sat Jul 23, 2005 4:45 am

Quoting STLGph (Reply 39):
ESPN's Pardon the Interruption. Tony Kirschner uses this line often for various reasons. watch and you'll see.

So what, now I have to start watching a bunch of ESPN to understand the reference?

No thanks.

I do note, however that you still decline to put your opinion into your own words.

Go back and re-read your responses to my questions and tell me again that you think you communicate well.

Take you up on the beers though.
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RE: Old Glory In The Toilet

Sat Jul 23, 2005 4:46 am

SAMClick...it appears that he used the "Redneck" dialect on the Dialectizer. From what I have seen on this forum, Redneck bashing is acceptable and even encouraged. It is also an insult Europeans and other Lefties like to toss at people who don't tow the party line. If you protest Redneck bashing and have it forbidden, this forum will be cut by at least 65%, and that can't be good for ad revenue. Get your panties out of your crack.
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RE: Old Glory In The Toilet

Sat Jul 23, 2005 4:54 am

Quoting Cwapilot (Reply 42):
From what I have seen on this forum, Redneck bashing is acceptable and even encouraged

If you read some of the intervening posts, I though he intended a racist remark.

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RE: Old Glory In The Toilet

Sat Jul 23, 2005 4:59 am

Yes, I realize that...but he didn't, so it's all okay....
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RE: Old Glory In The Toilet

Sat Jul 23, 2005 5:02 am

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 41):
I do note, however that you still decline to put your opinion into your own words.

for Time, Place, and Manner...
i think it's important that Time, Place, and Manner restrictions should be pointed out. when such art/"art" is displayed, you rarely hear anybody use Time, Place, Manner as a defense or offense for their argument. they could dance around it in other ways, but most of the time arguments are made using other excuses. many people are unware that such content exists until they come across an issue, such as this, first hand. i remember learning all about the Constitution in high school, but never recall them teaching us anything about Time, Place, Manner. i had to learn all about it on my own..the hard way...when i got my first gig as a radio DJ.

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 41):
Take you up on the beers though.

come to town.

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 41):
So what, now I have to start watching a bunch of ESPN to understand the reference?

No thanks.

i can't argue with you on that. but sometimes at the station i have to watch the show and follow commentary on St. Louis sports teams/figures for our own interest and benefit.
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RE: Old Glory In The Toilet

Sun Jul 24, 2005 3:13 am

Quoting JCS17 (Reply 2):
Okay, this is in the state DOJ cafeteria... Yeah, and we wonder why OJ and Jacko got off. What a joke. I strongly disagree with the idea of partisan art being hung in a place where law is supposed to supercede race, religious, and political backgrounds. Whether it's art by Republican or Democrat lawyer/artists, any sort of overtly political theme should not be displayed in a building of law.

But of course athletes, celebs and rich people are never convicted no matter how brutal the crime or how good the evidence so I say the artwork is quite fitting and accurate. And yes, Jacko and Willie Smith are both guilty. I don't care what the "jury" thinks.
 
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RE: Old Glory In The Toilet

Mon Jul 25, 2005 5:19 pm

I like it. That piece sums it all up nicely. Bravo well done.
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RE: Old Glory In The Toilet

Mon Jul 25, 2005 5:31 pm

Quoting JCS17 (Reply 2):
Okay, this is in the state DOJ cafeteria... Yeah, and we wonder why OJ and Jacko got off.

What does two sets of 13 regular people who decide the fate of another have anything to do with the department of justice? Way to go for the generalizations JCS17.
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