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Fri Jul 29, 2005 2:57 am

Many moons ago, I posted about needed to create backups on my computer.

I never did and since, my computer has basically been shut down(since I use the computer at work)

Anyhoo, I first got the computer without a DVD drive and only with a CD-RW.

In the following link, I was going to opt for one of the first two storage devices listed. Either single or double layer DVD, but I am not clear what their differences are and would they require special DVDs?

I figure a DVD drive would be good for back ups but I am also considering an external drive.

thoughts?

heres the link. check out the first two.

http://www.cnet.com/Top_10_storage/4520-6022_1-102337-6.html?tag=nav
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Fri Jul 29, 2005 3:23 am

Hmm...the presence of the Lite-On LTR52327S makes me suspect of this list instantly.

I've owned that particular drive for a year now, and in all honesty, I haven't burned more than 30 CDs, and the drive is already well into its failure mode.

Unless you have multiple computers or no room/power to upgrade, stay the hell away from external drives...they are way too expensive.

Personally, I would go for the double-layer DVD drive...in addition to writing standard DVD formats, you can also burn the new double layer DVDs. In terms of manfacturers, go for a drive from Plextor or LG...they seem to be the most reliable of any burner out there.
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Fri Jul 29, 2005 3:28 am

Forget disks, if you have to backup any volume. External hard drives are dirt cheap. Get a good name brand, like Western Digital, or Maxtor, connectable by USB 2.0. That way you have the additional advantage that you can plug it into any PC without any need for drivers. Expect to pay less than $1 per gigabyte (I remeber paying $200 for a 10 MB drive!  Smile)

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Fri Jul 29, 2005 7:50 am

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 2):
like Western Digital

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For 'day to day' backups get an external HDD this will be the best 'less mess' solution.

For storing your 'vital data' (photo's MP3's etc...) strategically: use DVD's and keep up with it!!
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mirrodie
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Fri Jul 29, 2005 8:34 am

Cfalk, I've always apreciated and trusted your judgement through the years. Thanks again.

So I'll pony up for an external HD. (Also, is LaCie a decent make?)

And I'll pony up for a DVD-RW. Seems like the double layer is the way to go?!
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Fri Jul 29, 2005 2:14 pm

I have a LaCie myself - one of them "Porche-design" drives with 250 GB. That thing sure is useful, but the noise it makes sure makes me worry. It wirrs and purrs constantly. Last week I bought a Western Digital external drive for my father, and it seems to work a lot better, quieter and cooler. Lacie seems to be the cheapest on the market, and it shows, I'm afraid. But the Western Digitals were not that much more expensive. I would stay away from the Lacie, and spend the extra $20 for the WD.

As for DVD, absolutely go for dual layer writing capability. I would also recommend this new "Lightscribe" capability which allows you to print text and graphics directly onto the DVD in the drive (no more sticking labels). That's a Hewlett Packard exclusivity, I think. I got an HP 640e external DVD writer with Lightscribe, and it works great, and pretty cheap.

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Fri Jul 29, 2005 4:15 pm

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 5):
As for DVD, absolutely go for dual layer writing capability. I would also recommend this new "Lightscribe" capability which allows you to print text and graphics directly onto the DVD in the drive (no more sticking labels). That's a Hewlett Packard exclusivity, I think. I got an HP 640e external DVD writer with Lightscribe, and it works great, and pretty cheap.

It is HP AFAIK but the thing is the discs arent exactly cheap in large amounts. The Verbatim or Memorex discs I havent even seen in like 25 or 50 packs just 5-10 packs and expensive compared to the normal sales of 50 packs for $7-8USD.

BTW: Good luck finding dual layer discs in a store hehehe  Silly
 
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Fri Jul 29, 2005 4:40 pm

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 6):
BTW: Good luck finding dual layer discs in a store hehehe

Not very common yet, but they are there, and they'll get cheaper. Remember how expensive CD-Rs and DVD-Rs were when they came out?

I use DVDFab Express to compress double-layer store-bought DVD's onto a single-layer. If the original disk was pretty full, you do see compression artifacting on the compressed copy.

By the way, (something I learned only recently) when you by blank DVDs. buy DVD+R, not DVD-R. There IS a difference!

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Fri Jul 29, 2005 4:45 pm

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 7):

Not very common yet, but they are there, and they'll get cheaper. Remember how expensive CD-Rs and DVD-Rs were when they came out?

Yes Charles, but Dual layer drives have been very common for some time now. Its probably that blue ray will be here before we even see dual layer discs in your local Office Depot.

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 7):
By the way, (something I learned only recently) when you by blank DVDs. buy DVD+R, not DVD-R. There IS a difference!

Not significant from what I can see if your burning the average DVD movie from your local Blockbuster but nonetheless alot of drives burn +Rs faster than -R.
 
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Fri Jul 29, 2005 4:54 pm

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 8):
Its probably that blue ray will be here before we even see dual layer discs in your local Office Depot.

At my local store, we have about 15 different single-layer DVD-R and +R brands, and 3 different Dual-Layer DVD-R brands.

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 8):
Not significant from what I can see if your burning the average DVD movie from your local Blockbuster but nonetheless alot of drives burn +Rs faster than -R.

The difference is that the DVD-R standard is the "official" standard, approved by all the manufacturers. But several years later, as it became obvious that there were problems with the DVD-R format, most manufacturers adopted the DVD+R format, which is more compatable with more hardware.

With DVD-R, I've made DVD's that were unreadable, even on the reader on which they were created! Never had that problem with DVD+R.

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Fri Jul 29, 2005 5:09 pm

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 9):
At my local store, we have about 15 different single-layer DVD-R and +R brands, and 3 different Dual-Layer DVD-R brands.

Allright dude we dont all live in Switzerland...hehehe. No but seriously we have a crapload of every DVD disc that you want including lightscribe except dual layer (Speaking in my local area only)

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 9):
With DVD-R, I've made DVD's that were unreadable, even on the reader on which they were created! Never had that problem with DVD+R.

First time ive heard this before...thats ummm weird.

I am speaking of the difference in quality, I get the same on both + and -.
 
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Fri Aug 05, 2005 9:49 am

So to review then, it seems my best bet might be to :

A) get a western digital or maxtor HD, copy my drive then throw my backup into a fireproof safe

and since I am not in a huge hurry:
B) since DVD-R is not as recommended as DVD+R, it seems prudent to wait for a double layer DVD to come out in +R format, right?



last thoughts, as an aside, recommended USB flash drives (128 to 512, Im open) : Jogr? Sandisk Cruzer? Sandisk titanium? Sandisk got some pretty shitty reviews! Let me know,. thanks
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Fri Aug 05, 2005 10:12 am

Quoting Mirrodie (Reply 11):
last thoughts, as an aside, recommended USB flash drives (128 to 512, Im open) : Jogr? Sandisk Cruzer? Sandisk titanium? Sandisk got some pretty shitty reviews! Let me know,. thanks

Do I have to say www.tomshardware.com again? Big grin
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Fri Aug 05, 2005 10:20 am

Which drive is best? California Route 1 from San Simeon to Carmel, of course!
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Fri Aug 05, 2005 11:01 am

Quoting Mirrodie (Reply 11):
since DVD-R is not as recommended as DVD+R, it seems prudent to wait for a double layer DVD to come out in +R format, right?

I have in my hands now a TDK Dual Layer blank DVD+R, so they are out there.
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Fri Aug 05, 2005 12:51 pm

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 12):
Do I have to say www.tomshardware.com again? Big grin

Toms hardware is good to learn how to startup, and use this to buy your stuff http://www.tigerdirect.com/

Its also convenient if you have one of their outlets 25 minutes away from you with the warehouse in back that they use to ship out to the rest of the world. What does this mean? a Samsung DVD-+RW drive for $45 instantly in your hands without no shipping charges. http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...ategory/category_slc.asp?CatId=89& Such as this. Mirrodie, just fork over $50 with shipping (no tax for you either) and get yourself a DVD burner...you cant lose.

BTW, I built at least 2 computers in the last month from pieces bought at TD all for less than $300 a pop with similar specs that will cost you around $800 at a retail store.
 
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Tue Aug 16, 2005 6:03 am

Update- I finally got an external HD for backup and picked up one of those usb flash drives for transfers.

Re: the hard drive- Its a Western Digital, 250 Gb USB 2.0/Firewire w/ USB Hub.
It has both the wiring for Fire wire and USB 2.0.

Weird thing is that in the instructions, it said you could connect either wires up but it suggested that WITH both the USB 2.0 and FIREwire hooked up, performance would be optimal.

So I hooked just the Firewire up and backed up sucessfully. SO first, let me say thanks for all your input, fellas.

question- I had about 7.4 Gb of stuff to back up. It took somewhere between 30-50 minutes. Is that about right? Just seemed long. Also, I did that backup ONLY with the Firewire hooked up.

Also, I thought Firewire was quicker than usb 2.0. BUt with BOTH connections, am I to assume it will be even faster? How do they both work together?
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Tue Aug 16, 2005 6:19 am

Quoting Mirrodie (Reply 16):
question- I had about 7.4 Gb of stuff to back up. It took somewhere between 30-50 minutes. Is that about right? Just seemed long. Also, I did that backup ONLY with the Firewire hooked up.

Hmmm...

I just ran a test on my LaCie 250 GB drive, and using the USB 2.0 port it transfers at a rate of about 1.3 GB per minute. Your backup should have taken around 5 minutes. Try the USB port, and see if it is faster. Otherwise, I would guess something is slowing you down somewhere.

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Tue Aug 16, 2005 6:22 am

get a Lacie firewire external drive, it comes with backup software as well.
 
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Tue Aug 16, 2005 6:22 am

30-50 mins is gong to depend on several things.. to me it does seem a little long on time. You might want to defrag your primary hard drive to be sure.

The way both can be used together is the same way computers can have multiple network cards to make themselves faster on the network. 2pipes @ 500 odd mbps is a LOT faster then 1.
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Tue Aug 16, 2005 6:30 am

Here are the specs to mine:

http://www.lacie.com/products/product.htm?pid=10384

And this, I presume, is your new drive:

http://www.wdc.com/en/products/Products.asp?DriveID=94&Language=en

Assuming this is your drive, your transfer rate on USB should be even faster than mine.

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Tue Aug 16, 2005 7:44 am

I thought about defragging but the 'degrag analysis' that win xp does says its not needed at the moment and also, it was defragged about 2 months ago.


not sure what is slowing me down, but the back up seemed long and just to get fs9 running seems to take forever. I suspect fs9 is slowing down the whole computer, even if its not running. Is that possible.

adware and virus scans are clean.


*scratching my head"* but thanking you all for your counsel.
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Tue Aug 16, 2005 8:41 am

The FireWire adapter in either your harddisk or in your computer is probably to blame if it´s that slow. Other reasons could be an extremely large number of small files (which generates a lot of overhead) or some bad settings in your operating system.
 
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Tue Aug 16, 2005 9:17 am

I do my backups with a 180GB WD HD, that I bought a USB 2.0 enclosure for. I started beta testing Windows OneCare (the Norton of MS), and the damn thing wont let me back up to HD, only DVD or CD (by design, im hoping RTM will include it). But the HDD+Enclosure is cheaper than an external HDD. Cool thing is, MS sent me 2 blank double layer discs with the OneCare beta package. But for backup software, I definately reccomend Acronis products, they let you backup and restore from any platform and media out there, I backed up an entire laptop to a network drive, ploped in a new HDD and restored the image from the network, before installing Windows.

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Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:01 am

Quoting Dan2002 (Reply 23):
I definately reccomend Acronis products

I reccomend Veritas!!
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Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:43 am

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 7):
By the way, (something I learned only recently) when you by blank DVDs. buy DVD+R, not DVD-R. There IS a difference!

I knew I'd find the Cnet page for which I was looking: http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-7613_7-5135505-7.html?tag=bnav . I knew Panasonic made one (wasn't sure about the other). ]

But what I can't understand is how the -RW is that much worse than the +RW (although a few pages back on that site, it did mention that removing a DVD-RAM cartridge can significantly reduce its quality of rewriting http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-7613_7-5135505-2.html?tag=bnav .

But maybe it has something to do with this:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 9):
With DVD-R, I've made DVD's that were unreadable, even on the reader on which they were created! Never had that problem with DVD+R.

Though, I'm not sure if it has anything to do with this:

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 8):
but nonetheless alot of drives burn +Rs faster than -R.

But, then again, I'm just a novice about all of this anyway.  tongue 

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Tue Aug 16, 2005 11:02 am

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 24):
I reccomend Veritas!!
www.veritas.com

Damn, they merged into Symantic!? Im sitting on about 100 licenses for Veritas software here, and I hope they are still good. I would say Veritas it more for buisness environments though.


-Dan

Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 25):
but nonetheless alot of drives burn +Rs faster than -R.

But, then again, I'm just a novice about all of this anyway.

I would say thats wrong, Ive burned DVD-R and +R and -RAM and I havnt noticed any major difference in speed.


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Tue Aug 16, 2005 11:20 am

Quoting Dan2002 (Reply 26):
I would say thats wrong, Ive burned DVD-R and +R and -RAM and I havnt noticed any major difference in speed.

I was quoting someone else there, Dan2002, and as for myself, I wouldn't be able to say for sure. I'm just curious that some here have found a distinction between the two.

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Tue Aug 16, 2005 11:39 am

Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 27):
I was quoting someone else there, Dan2002, and as for myself, I wouldn't be able to say for sure. I'm just curious that some here have found a distinction between the two.

There are specific burners that will burn one format faster than the other.

In my desktop I have dual DVD+-RW Burners. This one right here http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...details.asp?EdpNo=1270835&CatId=89

As you can see the max is a 16x for a +R and 12x for a -R.

Why the hell are you guys bruning DVD-RAMs? Alot of Panasonic equipment in your house?
 
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Tue Aug 16, 2005 11:47 am

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 28):
Why the hell are you guys bruning DVD-RAMs? Alot of Panasonic equipment in your house?

I had a few blank DVD-RAMs laying around. I have a similar drive, recording speed doesnt vary atall between types of media.

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