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All Four London Bombers Arrested!

Sat Jul 30, 2005 1:41 am

Reports on BBC are stating that all four London would-be bombers have been arrested. The last was arrested by Italian police in Rome.
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RE: All Four London Bombers Arrested!

Sat Jul 30, 2005 1:44 am

Good news.

Maybe the UK wont feel the need to declare war on an entire country to bring the "alleged" bombers to justice.

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Sat Jul 30, 2005 1:50 am

Hopefully the interrgators won't go easy on them. Send 'em to Club G'itmo.
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RE: All Four London Bombers Arrested!

Sat Jul 30, 2005 1:54 am

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 2):
Hopefully the interrgators won't go easy on them.

While anti-terrorist legislation in the UK allows, with a judge's permission, the detaining of a terrorist suspect for an extended period of time without charge, due process is still followed. They will be allowed legal representation at all times.
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Sat Jul 30, 2005 1:58 am

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Sat Jul 30, 2005 2:14 am

No, we won't take them to Gitmo because;
a) Torture does not work.
b) It would be a PR disaster.
c) These are high grade catches, real terrorists, as opposed to whoever the Afghan Northern Alliance felt like handing over to the US, (for cash), so mostly low grade Taliban foot-soldiers or anyone who happened to piss off the NA, in the Cuban sun.
d) We know torture does not work, but these four thought they'd die instantly and go to paradise, now they face the rest of their lives in Belmarsh prison, so some or all may crack under proper, rigorous, skilled interrogation, which also preserves the basic rule of law in this country.

Good work by the Met.
 
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Sat Jul 30, 2005 2:17 am

Quoting GDB (Reply 5):
d) We know torture does not work, but these four thought they'd die instantly and go to paradise, now they face the rest of their lives in Belmarsh prison, so some or all may crack under proper, rigorous, skilled interrogation, which also preserves the basic rule of law in this country.

And that is the happiest thought of all. Justice can, ever so sometimes, actually win, and the universe continues to unfold as it should. Well done coppers, nice to see hard work pay off.
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Sat Jul 30, 2005 2:20 am

Amazing Work.
What Nationalities were the Arrested Guys.
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Sat Jul 30, 2005 2:21 am

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 2):
Hopefully the interrgators won't go easy on them

They're probably zapping them with taser guns as we speak!

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Sat Jul 30, 2005 2:24 am

I'll echo those praising the swift and effective work of the Met here. Within a week, it seems they've tracked them all down and caught them - and alive too. We all know the immense pressure they're under right now, so a few words of unreserved praise are in order.

And yes, GDB is right. We'll be putting this lot through the full judicial process, and they can sit and stew over what they tried to do for the next forty years.
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RE: All Four London Bombers Arrested!

Sat Jul 30, 2005 2:27 am

Quoting Jamie757 (Reply 8):
Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 2):
Hopefully the interrgators won't go easy on them

They're probably zapping them with taser guns as we speak!

You must be kidding. They'll interrogate them hard, but they won't do anything that might jeopardise a successful prosecution. Torture would.
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RE: All Four London Bombers Arrested!

Sat Jul 30, 2005 2:29 am

Quoting Banco (Reply 9):
and they can sit and stew over what they tried to do for the next forty years.

While large, socially challenged fellow prisoners teach them the true meaning of terror. Have fun, boys.
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Sat Jul 30, 2005 2:36 am

Somone's showing the Yanks how it should be done  Wink
 
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Sat Jul 30, 2005 2:53 am

Hi there,

I just see this coverage on the news. It was amazing, they had live streaming of the arrests! Hopefully we will get somewhere now.

Quoting AviationMaster (Reply 12):
Somone's showing the Yanks how it should be done

No comment... You speak truth! Big grin

Happy to see the Met are on their toes.

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RE: All Four London Bombers Arrested!

Sat Jul 30, 2005 3:11 am

Well, from one Yank, ... Nicely done!!!

(I'll leave my torture remarks out of this one)  Wink
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RE: All Four London Bombers Arrested!

Sat Jul 30, 2005 3:17 am

And Kudos to the Italian Police in Rome too.

Does not mean there are not others out there, preparing.
But now they face possibly unreliable bombs and the prospect of not eternal paradise, but something that would feel like eternity, but served at Her Majesties Pleasure.
 
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Sat Jul 30, 2005 3:31 am

Quoting AviationMaster (Reply 12):
Somone's showing the Yanks how it should be done

Great job...but wasn't it the Yanks that wanted to pick up one of the guys associated with the attacks...and were denied by the Brits because he was a British citizen? That was a great decision.

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 1):
Maybe the UK wont feel the need to declare war on an entire country to bring the "alleged" bombers to justice.

Meaning what? Also, I love the clever usage of "alleged"...
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Sat Jul 30, 2005 3:38 am

Good job!

And I can only concur with GDB above.
 
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Sat Jul 30, 2005 3:43 am

Quoting GDB (Reply 5):
No, we won't take them to Gitmo because;
a) Torture does not work.
b) It would be a PR disaster.
c) These are high grade catches, real terrorists, as opposed to whoever the Afghan Northern Alliance felt like handing over to the US, (for cash), so mostly low grade Taliban foot-soldiers or anyone who happened to piss off the NA, in the Cuban sun.
d) We know torture does not work, but these four thought they'd die instantly and go to paradise, now they face the rest of their lives in Belmarsh prison, so some or all may crack under proper, rigorous, skilled interrogation, which also preserves the basic rule of law in this country.

Good work by the Met.

Well said, GDB!

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 11):
While large, socially challenged fellow prisoners teach them the true meaning of terror. Have fun, boys.

I hope these four guys end up in cells with the angriest, most sexually frustrated rapists and pedolphiles that the United Kingdom has to offer.
 
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Sat Jul 30, 2005 3:49 am

Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 19):
Quoting GDB (Reply 5):
No, we won't take them to Gitmo because;
a) Torture does not work.
b) It would be a PR disaster.
c) These are high grade catches, real terrorists, as opposed to whoever the Afghan Northern Alliance felt like handing over to the US, (for cash), so mostly low grade Taliban foot-soldiers or anyone who happened to piss off the NA, in the Cuban sun.
d) We know torture does not work, but these four thought they'd die instantly and go to paradise, now they face the rest of their lives in Belmarsh prison, so some or all may crack under proper, rigorous, skilled interrogation, which also preserves the basic rule of law in this country.

Good work by the Met.

Well said, GDB!

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 11):
While large, socially challenged fellow prisoners teach them the true meaning of terror. Have fun, boys.

I hope these four guys end up in cells with the angriest, most sexually frustrated rapists and pedolphiles that the United Kingdom has to offer.

Interesting comments...so for these guys:
Gitmo and "torture"-Bad....sexually frustrated rapists and pedophiles-Good.

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Sat Jul 30, 2005 4:20 am

The !st 24 Hours in Police Detention in Britain on Suspected Anti Terror Matter"s they have no rite to Legal help.

After the 1st 24 hours Suspect"s can get Legal help.
Also rest period"s can be denied in the 1st 24 hour"s

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Sat Jul 30, 2005 4:22 am

Indeed well done to the police in London and Italy.

However, I am the only person who feels slightly uneasy with these people being labelled "the bombers." The simple fact is that in the UK, we have this tradition called "justice." One of the principles of this system is that an individual is innocent until PROVEN guilty in a court of law. These guys haven't actually been tried or convicted on anything. Fair enough the evidence against them may appear compelling but it seems to me completely out of order to label someone a criminal who hasn't been through the court system. In particular I think these guys right to a fair trail has been seriously compromised, how is any jury in the world going to be able to sit through a trial for these guys without "knowing" at the start that they are guilty.

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Sat Jul 30, 2005 4:26 am

Quoting JamesAg96 (Reply 20):
Interesting comments...so for these guys:
Gitmo and "torture"-Bad....sexually frustrated rapists and pedophiles-Good.

Gotcha

You're darn right! And no, I'm not contradicting myself, as you try to imply:

1) The 4 bombers are guilty, hands down. These guys are terrorists, the real deal. The Gitmo guys are low level Talibans who haven't been charged or convicted of anything, just suspected of collaborating with the enemy.

2) Gitmo torture is government-sponsored torture. That's bad. But nothing wrong with a little rough 'n tumble in the prison cell. Boys will be boys.

Quoting SamL (Reply 22):
However, I am the only person who feels slightly uneasy with these people being labelled "the bombers." The simple fact is that in the UK, we have this tradition called "justice." One of the principles of this system is that an individual is innocent until PROVEN guilty in a court of law. These guys haven't actually been tried or convicted on anything.

They've been caught on tape trying to blow up subways and buses. It doesn't get much more obvious than that.

[Edited 2005-07-29 21:33:59]
 
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Sat Jul 30, 2005 4:34 am

According to a friend I just talked to, who has been a sergeant in the RAF Regiment for 15 years and once had to escort a prisoner to the police station the suspects are being held, this place and the guards are extremely intimidating. My friend is a tough bloke and a veteran of both the Falklands war and Northern Ireland, working as a railway security guard in Germany today, and so has seen a bit, he told me that this place gave even him the creeps even though he was just escorting a prisoner and not a prisoner himself. He said that the guards there have been picked for being big and tough.

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Sat Jul 30, 2005 4:38 am

Good work, good news, but I'm afraid there are a lot more potential terrorists waiting. Hopefully, the failed attempt of an attack as well as the forthcoming interrogations will reveal more information that help to arrest more extremists.

Torture would only render information useless, hence is not only inhuman but also counter-productive.
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Sat Jul 30, 2005 4:43 am

The embarrassment of having their presumptive "heroes" jailed and subjected to an impeccably fair justice system can have more and better impact on the motivation of other terrorists and their supporters than a bunch of bomb loads could have. It´s still just a single step, but a very good one - if the suspects are in fact the would-be bombers as we all hope they are...
 
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RE: All Four London Bombers Arrested!

Sat Jul 30, 2005 4:49 am

Quoting AviationMaster (Reply 12):
Somone's showing the Yanks how it should be done

Unfortunately, I agree with that statement.

It seems that in Britain, the goal is to solve the crime, period. In the U.S., the goal is much more about shaping public opinion, justifying old grudges and building political 'capital' out of a superficial stance on terror.

The results speak for themselves.
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RE: All Four London Bombers Arrested!

Sat Jul 30, 2005 4:55 am

I myself always find comments like "I hope they get raped in prison" or "they should be buried in pig fat" and the like, distasteful and to be honest, immature too.
Not to mention bringing yourself down to their level.

Apart from CCTV, at least one was grappled by commuters before finally escaping, all were seen by plenty of witness trying to detonate bombs, there will be stacks of forensics at their addresses, on their bombs, and lets not
forget possibly lower level supporters who may well have been amongst the arrested in the past few days, they might well start blabbing to try and save their own skins.

But SamL makes a valid point, though tough to maintain in our media soaked age (with the recent addition of mobile phone pictures and films from bystanders in this most memorable of months in London).
 
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RE: All Four London Bombers Arrested!

Sat Jul 30, 2005 5:07 am

Quoting JamesAg96 (Reply 17):
Somone's showing the Yanks how it should be done

Great job...but wasn't it the Yanks that wanted to pick up one of the guys associated with the attacks...and were denied by the Brits because he was a British citizen? That was a great decision.

Yea, just about as good as our guys ignoring reports of people taking flight training that didn't want to learn how to take off or land, as well as many other things.

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RE: All Four London Bombers Arrested!

Sat Jul 30, 2005 5:21 am

Quoting GDB (Reply 28):
I myself always find comments like "I hope they get raped in prison" or "they should be buried in pig fat" and the like, distasteful and to be honest, immature too.
Not to mention bringing yourself down to their level.

Very true.

As for the "media soaked age" ... this brings me to a different point: It appears to me that some reports I came across were far too detailed. I.e. it was reported that the rucksacks didn't explode, because either the explosives were too old or contained too much sulfur - or whatever it was.

As long as those information isn't deliberately misleading: Why don't we let the terrorists puzzle over why their bombs didn't explode?

In another case, the police hinted that they found fingerprints on one of the backpacks that actually exploded. I have seen pieces of metal that were in the immediate surrounding of an explosion, and those pieces didn't even have paint on them anymore. I would have never thought they would be able to find fingerprints somewhere near the center of an explosion.
So was it really necessary to tell the public where inspectors - thanks to modern technology - can find hints on the identity of the terrorists?
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RE: All Four London Bombers Arrested!

Sat Jul 30, 2005 5:23 am

Quoting Boeing Nut (Reply 29):
Quoting JamesAg96 (Reply 17):
Somone's showing the Yanks how it should be done

Great job...but wasn't it the Yanks that wanted to pick up one of the guys associated with the attacks...and were denied by the Brits because he was a British citizen? That was a great decision.

Yea, just about as good as our guys ignoring reports of people taking flight training that didn't want to learn how to take off or land, as well as many other things.

Glass houses bud, glass houses.

Though I agree with you to a point, it isn't apples and apples. Bureaucracy was the downfall of the FBI with regards to the hijackers of 9/11...suspicious activity no doubt but they were not wanted for questioning with regards to specific threats as was the case recently.
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RE: All Four London Bombers Arrested!

Sat Jul 30, 2005 5:26 am

Quoting AviationMaster (Reply 12):
Somone's showing the Yanks how it should be done

How's that?
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RE: All Four London Bombers Arrested!

Sat Jul 30, 2005 5:38 am

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 1):

Just don't try them in California!

Take your racist comments and shove them up your ass.

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RE: All Four London Bombers Arrested!

Sat Jul 30, 2005 6:33 am

Excellent Big grin

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RE: All Four London Bombers Arrested!

Sat Jul 30, 2005 8:01 am

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 2):
Send 'em to Club G'itmo.

-> The Brits will do the prosecution themselves --- and have nice recreational places in Dartmoor

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 7):
What Nationalities were the Arrested Guys.

-> three were Somalis/Eritreans, the fourth one who is known as Ramzi Mohammed rather looks "Mediterranean"
 
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Sat Jul 30, 2005 8:40 am

Good work by the Met, once they were captured on the numerous CCTV's on the underground, there was no place to hide. Now is the time to squeeze out as much information out of these bombers about who they're working for, what help they received, from whom they received it from etc. Then let justice take it's course and prevail. Screw your 'Gitmo' nonsense and macho tactics.
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Sat Jul 30, 2005 9:19 am

Quoting Arsenal@LHR (Reply 36):
Then let justice take it's course and prevail. Screw your 'Gitmo' nonsense and macho tactics.

Justice? Those idiots were about to blow up innocent people, and you want them to face justice?! They should be shot...or better still...blow them up. Scum like that don't deserve justice.
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Sat Jul 30, 2005 9:35 am

Killing them would be doing them a favour, since death is what they wanted in the first place. Give them a life sentence and let them think about their stupidities for the rest of their lifes...
 
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Sat Jul 30, 2005 9:40 am

Also, those blokes are very low on the terrorist food chain, as walking delivery system for explosives they are considered expendable by their leaders, even though it has been glorified for them to be "martyrs".

The interesting thing would be now to go after the people who
a) are giving the orders in the terrorist group
b) who are supplying tthe explosives and training
and
c) who are financing the group

Much of this can be learned from skilled interrogation, so I hope that more arrests will follow.

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Sat Jul 30, 2005 10:05 am

You guys do realize that many of the interrogation techniques used by the Gitmo interrogators were developed in the UK? Calling it torture is not accurate, unless you simply broaden the definition to include making the people uncomfortable. I'll bet many of you who refer to torture probably don't remember the interrogations of the IRA members over the last 30 years, or the techniques used to bring them down. The wiring of the entire city for video certainly seemed to have paid off. I guess all that time under the terrorist gun has paid off in some levels of preparedness. Good thing.

As far as the speed with which the police have caught these terrorists, congratulations are in order. Now, let's see them sent to some prison for the rest of their lives in such a way that they cannot become martyrs.
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Sat Jul 30, 2005 10:17 am

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 37):
hen let justice take it's course and prevail. Screw your 'Gitmo' nonsense and macho tactics.

Justice? Those idiots were about to blow up innocent people, and you want them to face justice?! They should be shot...or better still...blow them up. Scum like that don't deserve justice.

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Justice? deserve? --- you take it the wrong way round. It is NOT those "suspects" who deserve justice. It is Great Britain which deserves to keep up correct justice and legal standards. As former German Federal Chancellor Helmut Schmidt once said "the lawful legal state is indivisable" --- you canNOT have one state for bad criminals and another one for others.
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You have seen that recently in the Netherlands. That murderer of that film-maker for most would have "deserved" whatever. Whether and if yes when the murderer will become free again (maybe in 20 years) in spite of that "no parole" thing is NOT the point, the point is that he got sentenced as a murderer and a killer in accordance with Dutch law.
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Sat Jul 30, 2005 10:23 am

DL021: "You guys do realize that many of the interrogation techniques used by the Gitmo interrogators were developed in the UK? Calling it torture is not accurate, unless you simply broaden the definition to include making the people uncomfortable. I'll bet many of you who refer to torture probably don't remember the interrogations of the IRA members over the last 30 years, or the techniques used to bring them down."

Halls: the US-bashers on this thread aren't going to miss any opportunity to ply their trade, so expect them to avoid addressing your post. I know one of the Army judge advocates currently assigned to Gitmo. He wouldn't remain silent if the prisoners were being tortured.

What many people refuse to accept is that the detainees pose a threat to the US. While I agree that the judicial process ought to be moving faster, to suggest that we open the gates and let them all go free is simply lunacy.

That said, kudos to the Met for bagging these guys. I hope they continue to round up all those that were responsible.
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Sat Jul 30, 2005 10:48 am

After the early 70's, the 'famous 5' (techniques of sensory deprivation) were outlawed, these had been used in various 'out of area' conflicts that UK forces had engaged in since 1945. With not much effect, counter insurgency in Malaya, Borneo, Cyprus and others that were very or fairly successful, were not due to these techniques.
Neither was it much use in N.I.
Wiring up police cells with CCTV (probably the first in the UK) stopped the RUC kicking the shit out of prisoners, thus creating propaganda for the IRA when said prisoner appeared in court looking battered.

No, the IRA were partly undermined by penetration, not 'torture lite' (to use current US parlance), one reason that Adams and co started putting out peace feelers in the early 90's was that too many 'volunteers' were ending up dead or in prison due to intel, not that they'd ever admit as much of course.

Gitmo is a legal black hole, is not even near to being a source of decent intel, but when you have a President who has stated that he has not made any mistakes, (that will be god talking to him again no doubt), he cannot order it shut, all the while it acts as a recruitment advert for AQ, "look, all that stuff about Western democracy is a sham, they even subvert their own laws".

John McCain (not a 1960's combat dodger, and no 'dove' either), has pointed out that 'even the Nazis got a trial', and he knows something about being mistreated as a POW.

I'm afraid that what has emerged from Gitmo has all the hallmarks of Abu Garaib, but the staff at Gitmo are not quite as dumb as the Iraq prison staff with their cameras.
It's a response that has the ignorance, fear mongering and plain stupidity of the worst aspects of the current US administration stamped all over it.
Certainly not from any idea of how to combat terrorism.
I bet many good dedicated people in CIA, FBI etc, who have some idea about how to combat terrorism, must be dismayed.

It has been reported that at least one of the suspects picked up in London expressed the fear that he might be shot as he emerged from his flat as the police ordered him to do, "I'm scared" he apparently said.
I think we can safely say that even if ot was was legal, or desirable, or moral, to use torture ("lite" or otherwise), it would not be needed in this case.

Now the task facing the Police is to try and round up any other cells, logistic support, safe houses, instigators etc,
It is thought that recent arrests of some of these in previous days, led the police to the addresses of the attempted bombers.
 
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Sat Jul 30, 2005 11:32 am

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 11):
While large, socially challenged fellow prisoners teach them the true meaning of terror. Have fun, boys.

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RE: All Four London Bombers Arrested!

Sat Jul 30, 2005 11:38 am

Good job done by British law enforcement...and swiftly done without the Patriot Act and following due process - the way it should be!
 
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Sat Jul 30, 2005 8:49 pm

The police were expecting a possible siege and/or gun battle, hence the use of solid shotgun shells to blow open doors, tear gas and possibly, stun grenades.
(Rumours of some technical support and management consultantcy from special forces too).

But in the end, after some police initiated 'bangs' it ended with a whimper.
 
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RE: All Four London Bombers Arrested!

Sat Jul 30, 2005 8:54 pm

What's the bets that they get released on bail or something?
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RE: All Four London Bombers Arrested!

Sat Jul 30, 2005 8:58 pm

great.......now let the good old British justice system take care of them........legal aid and appeal after appeal, I think they will serve about the same amount of time as your average motoring offence.
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RE: All Four London Bombers Arrested!

Sat Jul 30, 2005 9:43 pm

Wow, whose been reading the Daily Mail this morning?

Some perspective, remember the 1980 Iranian Embassy siege?
After the Iranian dissidents (armed and sent on their way by Iraq), started shooting hostages, the SAS famously stormed the building killing all but one of the terrorists.
Where is he now, the surviving terrorist, 25 years after being convicted?
a) Back in the Mid East (back to Iran itself would be a death sentence for him).
b) Released on parole, living here on benefits.
c) Still in prison, no parole planned.

The answer was c).
Of course.
He killed no UK citizens, he misguidedly, with others, targeted what they thought was a bastion of their oppressors, but on UK soil.
None of this involved getting on to a train or bus and trying to blow up everyone who happened to be there as well.
But it was a major terrorist incident on UK soil.

In 1966, Harry Roberts, a criminal, shot dead 3 un-armed, undercover policemen.
He was sentenced to 30 years, but in 1996, he was not released, he's still inside.

Myra Hindley only got out in a box, Brady will do the same.

IRA prisoners were only released due to part of a process of the IRA surrendering (not that they'd ever call it that) their terror campaign.
Not nice, but most of us don't have to live in Northern Ireland, 'Loyalists' were too, some on both sides have gone back inside at times since.

This idea that the justice system is always soft (though it is far from perfect), is an invention of a bunch of rancid, stupid, fear mongering tabloid rags.

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