sleekjet
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Could You Evade Capture?

Sat Jul 30, 2005 4:30 am

OK, first off let me say that I've lived a crime-free life, homophobia excluded. That's a joke. But I've often wondered why crooks get caught so easily. With all four of the London suspects being caught now, it caused me to revisit this line of thought.

Maybe I'm naive, but I think I could evade capture if the cops were looking for me. First of all, I would leave town. I can't believe that apparently 3 of those four bombing suspects were nabbed in London. Man, I would leave on the first train or plane, disappear in an obscure town in an obscure country.

Grow a beard, get false ID, knock a couple of front teeth out. Wear a hooded sweatshirt at all times. It seems easy to me.

Then again, maybe I'm really underestimating our law enforcement agencies.
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RE: Could You Evade Capture?

Sat Jul 30, 2005 4:39 am

Initially it sounds easy but I'm sure it isn't.

Where would you get a false ID? Would it pass muster if inspected by law inforcement & run through the system?

What would you do for money? You couldn't use credit cards or check, obviously, so cash is really your only option. You would need a lot, and when it runs out, what do you do?
 
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RE: Could You Evade Capture?

Sat Jul 30, 2005 4:39 am

British intelligence and police are the best. I wouldn't even think on trying to pull something in the UK.

Keep in mind, the police release enough information to the public to appease them...maybe it's 1% of what they know. They're not going to release important info...and not always the truth.

"Spooks" is a great TV show that shows how it works. The show is called "MI-5" in the USA for some reason.

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RE: Could You Evade Capture?

Sat Jul 30, 2005 4:39 am

Quoting Sleekjet (Thread starter):
Then again, maybe I'm really underestimating our law enforcement agencies

I think you probably are. How about your friends/family who would turn you in? And you'd have trouble going thru customs etc as they'd recognise your passport. Someone somewhere would turn you in, especially if there was a price on your head.

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Quoting Sleekjet (Thread starter):
homophobia excluded

LOL. I bet there's somebody out there that was gonna b1tch if you hadn't said it was a joke.
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RE: Could You Evade Capture?

Sat Jul 30, 2005 4:40 am

Quoting Sleekjet (Thread starter):
I've often wondered why crooks get caught so easily.

It is because their pants are always falling down.. Don't you watch COPS?


Honestly, if you get away clean from the actual incident and lay low for a while. Then change your appearance by changing your hair color, growing a beard, wearing colored contacts, maybe wearing glasses etc. you could probably hide for a pretty long time. It isn't foolproof but if someone really smart wanted to hide they could. Most criminals aren't all that bright, that is why they are crimimals
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RE: Could You Evade Capture?

Sat Jul 30, 2005 4:47 am

Getting into the outback is probably the last thing you'd do. Only one person has to recognise you and it won't be long till eveyone knows where you are. If you are in a city you are less likely to be recognised (your 1 of 1000 strangers as opposed to 1 of 1 strangers so you draw less attention) and even if you are recognised there are more places to hide.
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RE: Could You Evade Capture?

Sun Jul 31, 2005 8:40 am

Osama Bin Laden has avoided capture for years. Granted, he has a bunch of money ,and people protecting him,but it just shows it can be done. This IS NOT to say that I condone what he has done.
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RE: Could You Evade Capture?

Sun Jul 31, 2005 8:47 am

Osama Bin Laden has avoided capture for years. Granted, he has a bunch of money ,and people protecting him,but it just shows it can be done.

The U.S. troops could have gone in and picked him off anytime over the past four years. The President has ordered them not to because he needs to milk the terror thing for as long as he can. It's all he has going for him. If Bush loses his "cash cow," there's nothing else he can do to prove to himself that he's a good President.

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RE: Could You Evade Capture?

Sun Jul 31, 2005 8:51 am

First, avoid ALL of your friends and relatives, as well as your old neighbourhoods, because this is where the cops will look first.
Then, in today's organised world it is virtually impossible to find an income without some form of ID. Most employers will insist on bank transfers or cheques, so you'll need an account, for this you'll need ID again. Normal people don't have the contacts to get good forged ID, which will stand up to a police check.
Then, e.g. in many European countries you'll have to register your residence with the local police, which again will be entered into the ID. All a cop has to do to check the ID is to make a radio call to the station to have the dispatcher compare the ID data with the computer files.

Then you'd need lots of money, impossible without work. So you will have to turn to petty crime, which increases the chance of you getting caught.

The only people I've seen who managed to disappear even though they were wanted by the police where people who have been involved in serious white collar crimes, and this way managed to squirrel a lot of money aside, so that they could hide in countries where e.g. corrupt governments would help them.

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RE: Could You Evade Capture?

Sun Jul 31, 2005 8:52 am

You can evade capture from a determined set of authorites only by staying off the grid and avoiding anyone you cannot absolutely trust while leaving the country as quickly as possible. Without help it is nearly impossible to evade determined searchers forever. There are ways to E&E out of Dodge, but you have to be resourceful and determined. You also have to have money.....

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 7):
Osama Bin Laden has avoided capture for years. Granted, he has a bunch of money ,and people protecting him,but it just shows it can be done.

The U.S. troops could have gone in and picked him off anytime over the past four years. The President has ordered them not to because he needs to milk the terror thing for as long as he can. It's all he has going for him. If Bush loses his "cash cow," there's nothing else he can do to prove to himself that he's a good President.

Mark

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RE: Could You Evade Capture?

Sun Jul 31, 2005 8:57 am

OBL hid in a tribal society where a guest is sacred, where there is big distrust in any authority outside the tribe and where a guest or a family member is NEVER, absolutely NEVER handed over to the government. That he has lots of money to bribe people and that many people in this area regard him as a hero helps him as well.

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RE: Could You Evade Capture?

Sun Jul 31, 2005 8:57 am

Remember that these guys went with the idea that this was their last and most glorious day.
They had no reasons to think about plan B, hiding, forging, escaping et al, and in the logic of the "organizer" it would be a very bad idea to prepare would-be suicidals with a possibility of failure in mind.
 
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RE: Could You Evade Capture?

Sun Jul 31, 2005 9:04 am

Oh, and the attention tone on your profile just freaked out my cat who was asleep by the computer speaker!

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RE: Could You Evade Capture?

Sun Jul 31, 2005 9:17 am

Let'ssay, if you plan to disappear at some stage of your life, you'll have to be prepared. Get some false ID, preferably from a country with lax birth and death registration (e.g. my first ex wife's birth was never registered back in the 1960s since she was born in a rural village in the Philippines, only when she needed a passport to go to Europe did she receive a birth certificate through a sworn statement by her mother), but where you could credibly fit in (race, language etc.).
Secretly move money to some anonymous offshore account, where you can reach it later without leaving a paper trail. Keep plenty of cash for your urgent needs. You'll need several $ 100K tucked away to start a new life somewhere else.
Get everything prepared BEFORE you have to scarper.

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RE: Could You Evade Capture?

Sun Jul 31, 2005 4:15 pm

You only need a new ID if you were identified and your name is known to the authorities. I don't suggest dropping your wallet at the scene of the crime.

I live in Texas, I could find a cash only, under the table job inside of 24hrs. Speaking Spanish may be a job requirement though.
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RE: Could You Evade Capture?

Sun Jul 31, 2005 4:20 pm

I'd head to Mexico as quickly as possible--and wouldn't go there through legal means either. I could give a shout out to my homies going the opposite way on my way to Mexico. From Mexico, I'd probably try to head to Argentina, and set up a false identity.
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RE: Could You Evade Capture?

Sun Jul 31, 2005 4:20 pm

Quoting JCS17 (Reply 15):
I'd probably try to head to Argentina, and set up a false identity.

Actually, I have heard good things about Belize for hiding out.
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RE: Could You Evade Capture?

Sun Jul 31, 2005 4:25 pm

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 16):
Actually, I have heard good things about Belize for hiding out.

The nice thing about Argentina is that they have a huge population of European Caucasians, especially in Buenos Aires, so you'd blend in perfectly. That's actually one of the reasons why Nazi war criminals fled to Argentina.
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RE: Could You Evade Capture?

Sun Jul 31, 2005 4:49 pm

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 7):
The U.S. troops could have gone in and picked him off anytime over the past four years

The NWFP is a different world.When the local population in that tribal area supports Laden.Its next to Very Difficult to get him.
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RE: Could You Evade Capture?

Sun Jul 31, 2005 5:50 pm

Also, knowing the laws of potential destination countries can help. Ronnie Biggs (of the Great Train Robbery) hightailed it out of the UK and settled in Brazil, living a normal life without any fear of being turned over to the British authorities. While in Brazil, he fathered a child and thus could not be extradited under Brazilian law. All he had to do was stay in Brazil but he eventually negotiated a voluntary surrender and returned to the UK (more than 25 years after the fact).
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