dl021
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Do You Know These People?

Mon Aug 01, 2005 8:14 am

Here is a series of sad cases here in ATL. Perhaps someone in this community knows who these people are.
Someone, somewhere must miss these men. Or at least know their names.
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Three years ago this month, they found him unconscious near the track of Grady High School.

He had been jogging up and down the concrete stadium steps when he slipped and fell 30 to 40 feet, according to a witness who called 911. He wore jogging shorts and a T-shirt. His head was shaved on both sides into a Mohawk haircut, and he had a mustache.

No ID. No wallet, no keys or cellphone. No tattoos, no birthmarks, no scars. The only clue his body provided was smooth feet and trimmed toenails.

For three years he has been cared for by Grady Health System, first at its downtown hospital, then its nursing home. His bill is nearing $500,000. Medicaid, the government health insurance program for the poor and disabled, recently started to reimburse Grady for his care.



JOHN DOE NO. 1
• Found: July 23, 2002, in Midtown at the Grady High School outdoor track, with a severe head injury and broken hip. He had fallen while jogging the stadium steps.
• Description: Light-skinned African-American or possibly Hispanic male, 5 feet 6, 150 to 155 pounds, with hazel eyes, a Mohawk haircut and a mustache. Thought to be 40 to 50 years old.
• Clues: None. An investigation around Piedmont Park area hotels, bars, fitness clubs, neighborhoods, churches and businesses produced no leads. Searches in surrounding states and government databases also failed.
• If you have information: Call 404-616-8100.
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In Spanish, he says his name is José Abraham Osorio, that he's from Guatemala.

For more than two years, that's about all the Grady staff knew about the small man who prefers to spend his days in bed watching Spanish soap operas.

JOHN DOE NO. 2
• Identifies himself as José Abraham Osorio
• Found: Nov. 12, 2002, after being struck by a car in Chamblee.
• Description: Hispanic male; 5 feet 5, about 150 pounds. Appears to be in his 40s, brown eyes, salt-and-pepper hair, mustache, beard (since shaven off); speaks Spanish.
• Clues: Says he's originally from Guatemala City. Mother's name: Juanita. Father, deceased. Two older sisters: Catalina (Cata) and Tina. Also, possibly, four brothers, all of them carpenters. Also says that he worked at a chicken farm in Doraville and as a carpenter making tables for a furniture factory.
• If you have information: Call 404-616-8100.

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With his long legs, he can simply step over the metal gates on the staircase. After "escaping" once or twice — just to the courtyard — he now wears a "wander guard," a radio transmitter attached to an ankle bracelet.

"There's a lady here who thinks she's his sister, so she calls out to him all the time: 'Now you just go back to your room, Albert, and sit down,' " laughs Olivia Walker, a Crestview nurse manager. "He'll turn around and go back."

It's clear Walker and other staff members at Crestview's A-1 Unit have grown fond of the tall, handsome old man who calls himself Albert Smith. He arrived less than three months ago. Grady has absorbed the cost of his hospital and nursing home care, which so far totals $63,186.14.

Even in donated clothes, he dresses in dapper fashion. A tan cap tilts over his gray hair, and new leather shoes tread a well-worn path along the hallways.

He's on medication for agitation and dementialike symptoms.

If kept busy, he stays calm, so he sweeps the floors and takes his time eating meals. Grady staff members scoured Dublin for anyone who might know him, because he often talks about people from that Middle Georgia town.


JOHN DOE NO. 3
• Identifies himself as Albert Smith
• Found: March 21, 2005, in southeast Atlanta, wandering the streets "with altered mental status."
• Description: African-American male; 6 feet, 146 pounds, gray hair, hazel eyes, possibly 68 or 69 years old.
• Clues: Mentions Dublin most frequently, along with other Middle Georgia and South Georgia locations. ? Names his parents as Alfred and Emma Smith. Possibly has older brothers. Childhood nickname: Buddy or Bubba. ... Also talks about a St. Luke's Baptist Church and working for sawmills and for a sheriff's deputy.
• If you have information: Call 404-616-8100.

If any of you have any ideas, let the hospital know at the listed numbers. I know the odds are thin, but this is better than doing nothing.
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RE: Do You Know These People?

Mon Aug 01, 2005 8:23 am

...the first and last look sorta like bad angles of Mohammad Ali and Bill Cosby.
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RE: Do You Know These People?

Mon Aug 01, 2005 8:32 am

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 1):
...the first and last look sorta like bad angles of Mohammad Ali and Bill Cosby.

Thanks for your help, Freddy.  Yeah sure

Ian, it's good of you to post this; it's amazing that people can be missing from the lives of others and no one seems to know who/where they are.
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RE: Do You Know These People?

Mon Aug 01, 2005 9:27 am

Quoting DL021 (Thread starter):
His bill is nearing $500,000. Medicaid, the government health insurance program for the poor and disabled, recently started to reimburse Grady for his care.

Its a sorry state of affairs when those in the American health care system resort to publishing their patients details in order to identify them, and for what? To reclaim money from their insurance for their care? Do you even know if these people consented to having thier pictures on A.net??
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RE: Do You Know These People?

Mon Aug 01, 2005 9:50 am

Quoting Catatonic (Reply 3):
Its a sorry state of affairs when those in the American health care system resort to publishing their patients details in order to identify them, and for what? To reclaim money from their insurance for their care? Do you even know if these people consented to having thier pictures on A.net??

Odd thing; I read a modest profile of two people whose identities have remained clouded in mystery, shared in the hopes that someone, somewhere, might recognize one of them and allow a reunion with family. If you've asuggestion of a better way to connect them with their families, by all means come forward with it. Publishing this information appears to be a best-chance scenario.

Why this attack? Perhaps (one wonders), in the UK, no one would try? Offered tongue-in-cheek, of course, but I would presume that in any country, efforts up to and including publication of information such as this would be tried, to locate someone who can shed light on the identities of these people.

Interesting conundrum: if the patient cannot state with any certainty or validity who they actually are, can publication of their information violate "privacy"; nothing in the world as they currently know it is "private."
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dl021
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RE: Do You Know These People?

Mon Aug 01, 2005 10:26 am

"Its a sorry state of affairs when those in the American health care system resort to publishing their patients details in order to identify them, and for what? To reclaim money from their insurance for their care? Do you even know if these people consented to having thier pictures on A.net??"

Well, the publicly funded hospital which has assumed custody and guardianship for these people has published their photos in an effort to find their families. These people were brought to the hospital after trauma to their head because this is not only a public hospital, but the number one trauma center in the southeast.

These people have no idea who they are, and they either have no close family or they have been lost. The lifting of the privacy veil has been effected by their hospital as a last ditch effort to try and find their families. These photos have been released to the public and appeared on the front page of the Atlanta newspapers this morning.

Hope we can keep this about seeing if we recognize these men, rather than a pissing contest about the state of health care, because it seems the system is working in this case.
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Catatonic
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RE: Do You Know These People?

Mon Aug 01, 2005 10:54 am

Quoting SCCutler (Reply 4):
If you've asuggestion of a better way to connect them with their families, by all means come forward with it. Publishing this information appears to be a best-chance scenario.

I hardly think that posting their pictures on airliners.net is appropriate method of tracing their family or identity. Perhaps an advert in the local press (with the patients consent) and better collaboration with the police would yield better results than this website.

Quoting SCCutler (Reply 4):
Why this attack? Perhaps (one wonders), in the UK, no one would try? Offered tongue-in-cheek, of course, but I would presume that in any country, efforts up to and including publication of information such as this would be tried, to locate someone who can shed light on the identities of these people.

Of course any country (even the UK!) would make efforts to identify these people but I am also sure that they would use a more appropriate medium, and I am certain that it would be done with the consent of the people it is trying to identify.

Quoting SCCutler (Reply 4):
Interesting conundrum: if the patient cannot state with any certainty or validity who they actually are, can publication of their information violate "privacy"; nothing in the world as they currently know it is "private."

Unless they agree to how and where their information is going to be used then of course its still a violation.
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RE: Do You Know These People?

Mon Aug 01, 2005 10:58 am

Catatonic - you're over-reacting entirely.

Go have a drink or something.

I can only imagine Grady Hospital has tried every avenue they could think of to find the families of the men. If this effort doesn't pan out - so what? Stranger things have happened - like you're bizarre attitude relating to this thread.

Why don't you sue A-Net and Ian on behalf of these 3 individuals and their "Right to Privacy". May be the added publicity of such a frivilous and ridiculous suit would help find their relatives!  sarcastic 

Get over it . . .
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dl021
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RE: Do You Know These People?

Mon Aug 01, 2005 11:06 am

I'm going to guess that Catatonic did not read my last post prior to posting. These photos are now out in the public and it has been requested to post these in public forums to try and cast out as wide as possible a net to find any possible family.

I pointed out that it's a slim chance, but what you are suggesting is akin to the fire department waiting around for permission prior to extinguishing a vacationing homeowners burning home.

Unless they agree to how and where their information is going to be used then of course its still a violation. Again, the hospital administration and the State have decided that this is the way to go since they are the guardians of these patients who are incompetent to manage their own affairs due to their injuries.

[Edited 2005-08-01 04:09:35]
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RE: Do You Know These People?

Mon Aug 01, 2005 11:06 am

Quoting SCCutler (Reply 4):
Odd thing; I read a modest profile of two people whose identities have remained clouded in mystery, shared in the hopes that someone, somewhere, might recognize one of them and allow a reunion with family. If you've asuggestion of a better way to connect them with their families, by all means come forward with it. Publishing this information appears to be a best-chance scenario.

Agreed. I wouldn't stop looking if, someday, my father or mother, or any family member, simply vanished without a trace, as these men have done. I couldn't live if I were one of these people, pretty much knowing that people who supposedly cared about me, just didn't care, and let me be, literally, on my own like this.
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