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Israel And Mauritania

Thu Aug 04, 2005 8:12 pm

from english.aljazeera.net
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Israel 'closely watching' Mauritania coup
by Khalid Amayreh in the Wes Bank
Thursday 04 August 2005 7:56 AM GMT

The overthrowing of Taya was met with satisfaction in Gaza

Israel is closely watching developments in Nouakchott after Wednesday's military coup that has overthrown President Maaouya Sid'Ahmed Taya.

Taya had established close ties with Israel a few years ago, upsetting large sections of Mauritanians and alienating many Arabs and Muslims worldwide.

An Israeli Foreign Ministry official told aljazeera.net on Thursday that Israel was watching "how things were unfolding in Nouakchott."

"Israel has an embassy there, like many other countries. We are waiting to see how things will unfold," said Mark Regev, a senior Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman.

Regev said Israel had not made any contacts with the new military rulers.

He strongly denied that Taya's close relations with Israel might have been a key reason for the coup.

On Thursday, the Military Council for Justice and Democracy named the longtime chief of national police forces, Colonel Ely Ould Mohammed Vall, as Mauritania's new leader.

It is not clear what Vall's views are regarding relations with Israel.

Earlier, Israel's ambassador to Mauritania, Boaz Besmuth Bismit said in an interview with the Israeli Hebrew newspaper Yedeot Ahranot's electronic net, the "Ynet," that the Israeli embassy was functioning as usual.

He characterized Israel's ties with the west-north African nation as "very important."

"This is an Arab league country that was by our side through the intifada," Bismit said. "Clearly, there are those who are not interested in this connection, but the connection with the government, the president and the Mauritanian people is very important."

Criticism

Islamic and nationalist leaders, as well as many ordinary Mauritanians, criticized Taya for developing close ties with Israel and ignoring Israeli repression of the Palestinians, especially during the Aqsa intifada that started in 2000.

Taya harshly cracked down on his opponents, especially the Islamists, placing dozens of activists in prison.

In the West Bank and Gaza Strip, the overthrowing of Taya has been met with satisfaction.

A cartoon in Thursday's edition of the Ram aAlah-based newspaper, al-Ayyam showed a Mauritanian soldier kicking Taya, along with the Star of David, Israel's national symbol.

Aljazeera
By Khalid Amayreh in the Wes Bank

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RE: Israel And Mauritania

Thu Aug 04, 2005 11:21 pm

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Thread starter):

He strongly denied that Taya's close relations with Israel might have been a key reason for the coup.

The reason for this coup is because Taya was an corrupt dictator who won in fraudulent elections.
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RE: Israel And Mauritania

Thu Aug 04, 2005 11:30 pm

It will be interesting to see what the new Mauritanian ruler's stance on Israel will be. Hopefully, he will maintain the status quo.
 
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Thu Aug 04, 2005 11:41 pm

this is kind of ironic.....Mauritania is so F*@%# backwards you cant even shake a stick at. The abolished slavery in 1980 and some slavery still goes on. What is Israel benefitting from this anyways ? Mauritania has nothing to give, and it is a shame for Israel to have diplomatic relations with such a human rights abuser.
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RE: Israel And Mauritania

Thu Aug 04, 2005 11:53 pm

Quoting Omoo (Reply 3):
Mauritania is so F*@%# backwards you cant even shake a stick at.

Exactly! Yet another failed African nation.

Quoting Omoo (Reply 3):
What is Israel benefitting from this anyways ? Mauritania has nothing to give, and it is a shame for Israel to have diplomatic relations with such a human rights abuser.

Israel gains diplomatic recognition, which in and of itself is important. Clearly there will be no trade benefits for Israel. EVERY Muslim nation is a human rights abuser, so that's a given. Israel needs to make diplomatic strides into the Muslim world, however distasteful their human rights are.
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RE: Israel And Mauritania

Thu Aug 04, 2005 11:54 pm

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 1):
reason for this coup

may be. But an obvious and real reason is that the man was in power since 1984, and that is full 21 years. There are about a dozen theories and proclamations for the "reason". But it looks as if people were simply fed-up. To put it the other way round, "fraudolent elections" and "corrupt dictator" are NOT sufficient reasons for the "inner-guard" to topple the ruler.
 
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RE: Israel And Mauritania

Thu Aug 04, 2005 11:59 pm

Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 2):
stance on Israel will be. Hopefully, he will maintain the status quo.

YES, it would be positive if the new regime would CONTINUE that way

Quoting Omoo (Reply 3):
The abolished slavery in 1980

Not really, for instance in 1984, the court-president of Nouakchott still owned a slave who worked around his house as gardener. Slavery was abolished on 1st January 2000 only .

Quoting Omoo (Reply 3):
Mauritania has nothing to give,

What makes Mauritania interesting for many, and what is the reason for the many many very sizeable embassies in Nouakchott is the geopolitical strategic location of that country

Quoting Omoo (Reply 3):
a shame for Israel to have diplomatic relations with such a human rights abuser

Israel appreciated these relations as it was just the 3rd/third ArabLeague member-state with which it could establish full diplomatic relations
 
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Fri Aug 05, 2005 2:46 am

I highly doubt that ties with Israel would bring down this dictator. It was likely simply opposition to his long rule.

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 6):
Israel appreciated these relations as it was just the 3rd/third ArabLeague member-state with which it could establish full diplomatic relations

Exactly.

If Israel is providing aid to M, then the new govt will have an incentive to maintain the relationship.
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Fri Aug 05, 2005 2:54 am

It's too early to say whether the coup will lead to an increase in Islamic fundamentalism in Mauritania. So far the coup leaders haven't said anything on the issue and not much is known about their religious leanings. We'll just have to hope for the best.
As noted in the original posting, Taya's close ties with Israel weren't popular with many elements in Mauritania, but those ties probably were only a minor motivation behind his ouster. Given Mauritania's poverty and its geographic distance from the Middle East, I'd be very much surprised if most Mauritanians had any interest whatsoever in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
Mauritania also has had racial/ethnic divisions for decades, with some people identifying themselves as Arabs and others as Africans (it's pretty obvious from his apperance which side Taya is on). Sort of like Sudan, but fortunately with far less bloodshed. It'll be interesting to see if the coup has any effect on ethnic relations.
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Fri Aug 05, 2005 2:59 am

Mauritania has nothing to give, and it is a shame for Israel to have diplomatic relations with such a human rights abuser.

Israel has had some interesting relationships with random countries during the years. For example, Micronesia is a huge supporter of Israel...A country like Israel, unfortunately, isn't in a position to not deal with cruel regimes. Like any other country, they do what's in their best interests....Just look at the US relationship with Saudi Arabia.

If Israel is providing aid to M, then the new govt will have an incentive to maintain the relationship.

True, and it might not just be aid. Israel can offer a wide range of services that the country might find useful. In the 1950s and 60s, Israel was a leader in helping developing African nations (which proved useful during the Entebbe hostage rescue).
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Fri Aug 05, 2005 4:30 am

Islamic and nationalist leaders, as well as many ordinary Mauritanians, criticized Taya for developing close ties with Israel and ignoring Israeli repression of the Palestinians, especially during the Aqsa intifada that started in 2000.

Why don't Islamic nations focus on more important issues such as eradicating terrorism from within? Why don't Islamic nations criticize the terrorist actions carried out by the Islamic factions of the PLO? If you're going to criticize Israel, you should criticize the Palestinians as well.
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Fri Aug 05, 2005 6:39 am

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 6):
What makes Mauritania interesting for many, and what is the reason for the many many very sizeable embassies in Nouakchott is the geopolitical strategic location of that country

There is no real strategic location for Mauritania. The reason that Israel, the US and Europe are all scrambling to get into Mauritania is because the country is sitting on top of one of the largest totally untapped oil and gas reserves in the world -- 1 billion barrels of oil and 30 billion cubic metres of gas. If it wasn't for these reserves no country would bother having any representation in Mauritania.

It also goes to show the outright double standards of the 'west' that they will support a leader who was brought to power three times in rigged elections but will overlook all of this because of the above mentioned resources. This includes my own country and Woodside who have a project there:

http://www.woodside.com.au/Regions/A...Projects/Chinguetti+Mauritania.htm

Where is the coloured revolution for the Mauritanian people?

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RE: Israel And Mauritania

Fri Aug 05, 2005 7:42 am

Quoting Marco (Reply 10):
Why don't Islamic nations focus on more important issues such as eradicating terrorism from within?

Arab nations like Morocco, Algeria, Egypt, Syria and Jordan have made the struggle against terrorism and fundamentalist extremism top priorities as early as the 80ies.

Quoting Marco (Reply 10):
Why don't Islamic nations criticize the terrorist actions carried out by the Islamic factions of the PLO?

Hamas and IslamicJihad are NOT, or rather not yet in the PLO but outsiders. The organisations inside the PLO are el-Fatah, PFLP, PDFLP, el-Saika and GC-PFLP . The leadership of el-Fatah, widely identical with the leadership of the PLO, and also the Arab League and the governments of Egypt and Jordan have clearly condemned the actions of the Hamas and IslamicJihad extremists.
 
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RE: Israel And Mauritania

Fri Aug 05, 2005 8:07 am

Quoting Omoo (Reply 3):
What is Israel benefitting from this anyways ?

Oil...black gold...Mauritania has some recently discovered oil reserves, and pumping was scheduled to begin for delivery to Israel soon. This is also the reason the US likes Mauritania and Taya so much, along with the ability to use the nation and it's President as a way to gain input/intelligence on Islamic fundamentalists in Arab nations.
 
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RE: Israel And Mauritania

Sat Aug 06, 2005 2:40 am

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 12):
Arab nations like Morocco, Algeria, Egypt, Syria and Jordan have made the struggle against terrorism and fundamentalist extremism top priorities as early as the 80ies

Jordan as early as the 70's actually, albeit the late king's approach was even less media and PC friendly than the current U.S.-led campaign... got the job done though.


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RE: Israel And Mauritania

Sat Aug 06, 2005 2:53 am

Quoting Omoo (Reply 3):
it is a shame for Israel to have diplomatic relations with such a human rights abuser.

Same really goes for anyone having any relations with any Arab/Muslim country.
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