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Mom Of Iraq KIA Stakes Out At Crawford

Mon Aug 08, 2005 12:21 pm

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/08/07/mom.protest/index.html

Well, since he's on a FIVE WEEK "working" vacation in Texas, you think he could spare a few moments to talk to this woman.

And five weeks? That's absurd.

Anyway, I may not agree with her that Bush killed her son, but I give her credit for wanting answers from the President. Hope she gets her wish.
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RE: Mom Of Iraq KIA Stakes Out At Crawford

Mon Aug 08, 2005 12:33 pm

It'll be funny when her "protest" gets her nothing but sunburn.
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RE: Mom Of Iraq KIA Stakes Out At Crawford

Mon Aug 08, 2005 12:35 pm

>> And five weeks? That's absurd.

Seriously dude... virtually every President in history has taken working vacations of the exact same variety. Do you have a problem with this President or the precedent set by the other 43 behind him?

There is no occupation on Earth more stressful than POTUS, is a change of scenery that upsetting? He's doing virtually the same work, but he has a pasture out the window instead of the Rose Garden. Current policy aside, big frickin' deal !

>> Anyway, I may not agree with her that Bush killed her son, but I give her credit for wanting answers from the President. Hope she gets her wish.

No one has more of a right to protest than she does and the more people who voice their opinion, the better IMO...
 
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RE: Mom Of Iraq KIA Stakes Out At Crawford

Mon Aug 08, 2005 12:37 pm

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 2):
Do you have a problem with this President or the precedent set by the other 43 behind him?

He's taken more vacation time than any president in history. Five weeks is just stupid, imho.
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RE: Mom Of Iraq KIA Stakes Out At Crawford

Mon Aug 08, 2005 1:00 pm

Falcon, you'll have to back that up with data.

As though the President doesn't do work when he is on "vacation" anyway. You act like he's waking up at noon and masturbaitng to internet porn all day (like me).
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RE: Mom Of Iraq KIA Stakes Out At Crawford

Mon Aug 08, 2005 1:01 pm

Quoting BigPhilNYC (Reply 4):
You act like he's waking up at noon and masturbaitng to internet porn all day (like me).

WAAAY too much info, dude! Keep it to yourself!  Silly
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RE: Mom Of Iraq KIA Stakes Out At Crawford

Mon Aug 08, 2005 1:09 pm

Is he going to meet with the mother of that solider? I think so. She was pleading of TV today for that.


At the end of this vacation, W will have spent 1 year total at the Crawford Ranch.
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RE: Mom Of Iraq KIA Stakes Out At Crawford

Mon Aug 08, 2005 1:18 pm

The woman is just frustrated and looking for an outlet for her grief. No one made that young man sign up for the military. Its unfortunate that he was killed but he died doing what he wanted to do, serving his country.
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RE: Mom Of Iraq KIA Stakes Out At Crawford

Mon Aug 08, 2005 1:21 pm

Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
Well, since he's on a FIVE WEEK "working" vacation in Texas

I'd want to go hide on the ranch too once I had seen some of the latest poll numbers.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8849936/site/newsweek/

So much for all that political capital he boasting about after the election. Looks like the American people are finnaly starting to realize where the buck stops.
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RE: Mom Of Iraq KIA Stakes Out At Crawford

Mon Aug 08, 2005 1:30 pm

What's wrong with 5 week vacations?

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RE: Mom Of Iraq KIA Stakes Out At Crawford

Mon Aug 08, 2005 1:39 pm

I guess you meet with leaders from all over the world and work shit out when you go on vacation.. Doesn't sound like my idea of a good time.

If you worked half as much as Dubya probably is on his vacation CO would probably give you 5 weeks off as well.

He can run the country from anywhere in the world, just because he isn't in DC doesn't mean shit isn't getting done.
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RE: Mom Of Iraq KIA Stakes Out At Crawford

Mon Aug 08, 2005 1:42 pm

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RE: Mom Of Iraq KIA Stakes Out At Crawford

Mon Aug 08, 2005 1:45 pm

Quoting BigPhilNYC (Reply 11):

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 


Great one and all too true Phil...........LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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RE: Mom Of Iraq KIA Stakes Out At Crawford

Mon Aug 08, 2005 1:49 pm

Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
And five weeks? That's absurd.

Not if you are on duty 24 hours a day, seven days a week.
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RE: Mom Of Iraq KIA Stakes Out At Crawford

Mon Aug 08, 2005 2:23 pm

I feel bad for her, I really do...but her son joined...and Bush didn't kill him.

As for the 5 weeks of vacation...that shit is old...I'd venture to say that no President in the last 100 years or so has ever taken a vacation in the form we all know.

Hell when I am on vacation and still get calls on my cell AND have to monitor my email...all for work.

I need a real Vacation.
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RE: Mom Of Iraq KIA Stakes Out At Crawford

Mon Aug 08, 2005 2:55 pm

Quoting 11Bravo (Reply 8):
I'd want to go hide on the ranch too once I had seen some of the latest poll numbers.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8849936/site/newsweek/

So much for all that political capital he boasting about after the election. Looks like the American people are finnaly starting to realize where the buck stops.

The democrats are singing:
"The polls are back and you're gunna be in trouble. hey la, hey la, the polls are back!
When you seem them coming you better cut out on the double. hey la, hey la, the polls are back!
You've been spreadin' lies that we were untrue. hey la, hey la, the polls are back!

"The polls are back they're gunna save our reputation, hey la, hey la, the polls are back.
If we were you, we'd take a permanent vacation..."


"Vacationing Bush Poised to Set a Record," Washington Post, August 3

The August getaway is Bush's 49th trip to his cherished ranch since taking office and the 319th day that Bush has spent, entirely or partially, in Crawford -- nearly 20 percent of his presidency to date, according to Mark Knoller, a CBS Radio reporter known for keeping better records of the president's travel than the White House itself. Weekends and holidays at Camp David or at his parents' compound in Kennebunkport, Maine, bump up the proportion of Bush's time away from Washington even further.

Bush's long vacations are more than a curiosity: They play into diametrically opposite arguments about this leadership style. To critics and late-night comics, they symbolize a lackadaisical approach to the world's most important day job, an impression bolstered by Bush's two-hour midday exercise sessions and his disinclination to work nights or weekends. The more vociferous among Bush's foes have noted that he spent a month at the ranch shortly before the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, when critics assert he should have been more attentive to warning signs.

To Bush and his advisers, that criticism fundamentally misunderstands his Texas sojourns. Those who think he does not remain in command, aides say, do not understand the modern presidency or Bush's own work habits. At the ranch, White House officials say, Bush continues to receive daily national security briefings, sign documents, hold teleconferences with aides and military commanders, and even meet with foreign leaders. And from the president's point of view, the long Texas stints are the best way to clear his mind and reconnect with everyday America.

"Spending time outside of Washington always gives the president a fresh perspective of what's on the minds of the American people," White House press secretary Scott McClellan told reporters Friday. "It's a time, really, for him to shed the coat and tie and meet with folks out in the heartland and hear what's on their minds."

Just as Bush has made these August trips a regular feature of his presidency, so, too, have Democrats made a tradition of needling him about them. This year, opposition politicians are tying his departure from Washington to the CIA leak case that has swept up his top adviser, Karl Rove.

Presidents have often sought refuge from the pressures of Washington and from life in the White House, which Harry S. Truman called the crown jewel of the American prison system. Richard M. Nixon favored Key Biscayne, Fla. Bush's father preferred Maine. Bill Clinton, lacking a home of his own, borrowed a house on Martha's Vineyard, except for two years when political adviser Dick Morris nudged him into going to Jackson, Wyo., before his reelection because it polled better.

Until now, probably no modern president was a more famous vacationer than Ronald Reagan, who loved spending time at his ranch in Santa Barbara, Calif. According to an Associated Press count, Reagan spent all or part of 335 days in Santa Barbara over his eight-year presidency -- a total that Bush will surpass this month in Crawford with 3 1/2 years left in his second term.

"The Oval Office is wherever the president of the United States is" [...]

Quoting JamesAg96 (Reply 14):
I feel bad for her, I really do...but her son joined...and Bush didn't kill him.

Unless he's a sociopath -- not outside of the realm of possibility -- I'd imagine he feels some responsibility for all of the deaths in Iraq.

[Edited 2005-08-08 08:01:56]
 
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RE: Mom Of Iraq KIA Stakes Out At Crawford

Mon Aug 08, 2005 3:03 pm

Who cares... She is an attention whore! No one told her son to join the goddamn military! Go cry somewhere else where no one cares and Bush didn't kill him or make him join.

And to you ppl that think he takes lots of holiday... You think what he does is what you and I would do on holiday? not only no but hell He has a 24hr day he does/attempts to do his job from out of the lime light of Washington!

Least he does not jet set to the Hamptons and Hollywood like Clinton did.

[Edited 2005-08-08 08:09:30]
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RE: Mom Of Iraq KIA Stakes Out At Crawford

Mon Aug 08, 2005 3:07 pm

I recall President Clinton needing a haircut so badly, while on Air Force 1, they halted all air traffic at LAX so a barber could cut his hair onboard before his flight out. Get real people...
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RE: Mom Of Iraq KIA Stakes Out At Crawford

Mon Aug 08, 2005 3:51 pm

I think mom needs to find a better outlet for her grief.

Becoming a publicity whore for the liberal left isn't a good one.
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RE: Mom Of Iraq KIA Stakes Out At Crawford

Mon Aug 08, 2005 4:30 pm

Quoting Aa777jr (Reply 17):
I recall President Clinton needing a haircut so badly, while on Air Force 1, they halted all air traffic at LAX so a barber could cut his hair onboard before his flight out. Get real people...

You recall incorrectly. Didn't happen like that at all.
 
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RE: Mom Of Iraq KIA Stakes Out At Crawford

Mon Aug 08, 2005 4:54 pm

Bush is always on vacation, Karl Rowe & Dick Cheney are the ones running things anyway... Hopefully this poor ladies protest will help keep more kids from signing up... And dying.
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RE: Mom Of Iraq KIA Stakes Out At Crawford

Mon Aug 08, 2005 4:55 pm

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 3):
He's taken more vacation time than any president in history. Five weeks is just stupid, imho.

Thats nothing man... Here in Denmark we have 6 weeks vacation  Wink
 
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RE: Mom Of Iraq KIA Stakes Out At Crawford

Mon Aug 08, 2005 5:28 pm



Haha... That's great, Phil! I've already hit that stump with a couple of my friends in the Guard. The best comeback they've had is, "Well, I didn't expect that to happen!"

Quoting Dc10guy (Reply 20):
Bush is always on vacation, Karl Rowe & Dick Cheney are the ones running things anyway... Hopefully this poor ladies protest will help keep more kids from signing up... And dying.

How's that GED coming along?
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RE: Mom Of Iraq KIA Stakes Out At Crawford

Mon Aug 08, 2005 5:45 pm

Quoting JCS17 (Reply 22):
How's that GED coming along?

Why? Do you need a tutor?

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RE: Mom Of Iraq KIA Stakes Out At Crawford

Mon Aug 08, 2005 6:02 pm

Quoting BaylorAirBear (Reply 23):
Why? Do you need a tutor?

No. Me's already got my GED. I was alluding to DC10guy's constant grammatical and spelling (Karl Rowe?) errors. I don't think I've ever glanced at one post of his and not cringed. I'm not even an English major!
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RE: Mom Of Iraq KIA Stakes Out At Crawford

Mon Aug 08, 2005 6:17 pm

Quoting JCS17 (Reply 24):

No. Me's already got my GED.



Quoting JCS17 (Reply 24):
constant grammatical and spelling

I would flame you but I just don't have the energy.  Yeah sure
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RE: Mom Of Iraq KIA Stakes Out At Crawford

Mon Aug 08, 2005 9:00 pm

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 16):
You think what he does is what you and I would do on holiday?

No, that hero is testing new dangerous pretzels, he drives new bikes for the army, and for the rest of the day he plays golf, to meditate about the challenges for the US in the world.  rotfl 

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RE: Mom Of Iraq KIA Stakes Out At Crawford

Mon Aug 08, 2005 10:50 pm

Quoting L-188 (Reply 18):
I think mom needs to find a better outlet for her grief.

Who the hell are YOU-a mindless yes-man for Mr. Bush, to tell anyone how to channel their grief, L-188? What gives you the right to flame her for wanting an answer from the President? Talk about arrogant....

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 16):
Least he does not jet set to the Hamptons and Hollywood like Clinton did.

I don't remember Clinton-or any president, spending nearly 20 PERCENT of his time away from Washington.

Smooch-your lips are getting brown, dude.

Quoting JCS17 (Reply 24):
No. Me's already got my GED. I was alluding to DC10guy's constant grammatical and spelling (Karl Rowe?) errors. I don't think I've ever glanced at one post of his and not cringed. I'm not even an English major!

Your only "major" on here, Jcs, is getting reamed lately, so you should be the last one to flame anyone.
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RE: Mom Of Iraq KIA Stakes Out At Crawford

Mon Aug 08, 2005 11:13 pm

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 2):
Seriously dude... virtually every President in history has taken working vacations of the exact same variety. Do you have a problem with this President or the precedent set by the other 43 behind him?

Actually, I do. We've got people in combat and regardless of whether or not he can "work from Crawford" the image sucks. Period. Vacation fine - take a week or two, even the GIs get that - taking 5 weeks is bullshit . . .

That said, I don't fault the lady for exercising her right to protest . . . but saying "Bush killed my Son" is ridiculous . . . some Insurgent killed her son. Nature of war . . .
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RE: Mom Of Iraq KIA Stakes Out At Crawford

Mon Aug 08, 2005 11:24 pm

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 16):
Who cares... She is an attention whore! No one told her son to join the goddamn military! Go cry somewhere else where no one cares and Bush didn't kill him or make him join.

That isn't the issue.

A President should think 1000 times before he sends men and women into a war. War is not a big joke or a big game like this President believes it is. Just because you have a huge military at your command doesn't mean that they're not real people with real lives.

Given that this administration has changed its story numerous times on the reason and goals for this war, and can't even get its own story straight, only goes to show that the detailed deliberation and planning required wasn't done, nor even contemplated.

The real attention whores are the HA HA armchair warriors who mock the deaths of everyone involved in this mess. Believe me, yelling on A.net as to how much you support the war doesn't do a bit of good for anyone. If you're so committed to the war, join the military.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 28):
That said, I don't fault the lady for exercising her right to protest . . . but saying "Bush killed my Son" is ridiculous . . . some Insurgent killed her son. Nature of war . . .

The President just sent her son into this war. Without doing his homework.
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RE: Mom Of Iraq KIA Stakes Out At Crawford

Mon Aug 08, 2005 11:46 pm

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 16):
Who cares... She is an attention whore! No one told her son to join the goddamn military! Go cry somewhere else where no one cares and Bush didn't kill him or make him join.

That's the classic excuse isn't it? They knew what they were getting into. I'm sure they did. What I don't think any of them expected is Bush sending them into war for no justifiable reason. I think THAT'S her point. Quit trying to deflect the blame on a grieving mother who just lost her son. That's really low, even for a right winger.

And don't give me this "Saddam was a bad guy" bullshit. You know what the deal is, and it's be argued about ad-nauseum. Those of you who try to rationalize this war now just identify yourselves as brain stem-lacking Bush ass kissers.

Quoting Aa777jr (Reply 17):
I recall President Clinton needing a haircut so badly, while on Air Force 1, they halted all air traffic at LAX so a barber could cut his hair onboard before his flight out. Get real people...

Too bad that didn't happen. Now go back to reading your right wing pamphlet: "Bullshit we totally made up but we're gonna pound into your head until you believe it"

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RE: Mom Of Iraq KIA Stakes Out At Crawford

Mon Aug 08, 2005 11:59 pm

Quoting JCS17 (Reply 22):
Haha... That's great, Phil! I've already hit that stump with a couple of my friends in the Guard. The best comeback they've had is, "Well, I didn't expect that to happen!"

And what's your comeback for why you've never served, but have no problem sending others to their deaths?

The Nobel Prize winning research you're doing to better humankind?
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RE: Mom Of Iraq KIA Stakes Out At Crawford

Mon Aug 08, 2005 11:59 pm

Quoting NonRevKing (Reply 30):
Now go back to reading your right wing pamphlet: "Bullshit we totally made up but we're gonna pound into your head until you believe it"

I have the matching set - there's a Left Wing pamphlet also . . . various chapters . . . "How to get a Knobber in the Oral Office" by Slick Willie; "Driving over Bridges 101" by T. Kennedy.  sarcastic 
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RE: Mom Of Iraq KIA Stakes Out At Crawford

Tue Aug 09, 2005 12:10 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 32):
I have the matching set - there's a Left Wing pamphlet also . . . various chapters . . . "How to get a Knobber in the Oral Office" by Slick Willie; "Driving over Bridges 101" by T. Kennedy.

Total number of fatalities: 1
Bushs' BS war....Exactly.

I guess Laura read the chapter by T. Kennedy, huh?  Wink

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RE: Mom Of Iraq KIA Stakes Out At Crawford

Tue Aug 09, 2005 12:12 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 28):
but saying "Bush killed my Son" is ridiculous . . . some Insurgent killed her son.

Of course GWB didn’t personally kill her son, but his choices as Commander in Chief did.

It is so tiresome to listen to conservatives try to deflect responsibility for what has happened in Iraq. It’s the terrorists, it’s Saddam, it’s the evil liberal media, it’s the UN, it’s blah blah. The fact of the matter is that President Bush is the one responsible for this clusterfuck, lock, stock, and barrel. It is his war, period.
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RE: Mom Of Iraq KIA Stakes Out At Crawford

Tue Aug 09, 2005 12:17 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 32):
I have the matching set - there's a Left Wing pamphlet also . . . various chapters . . . "How to get a Knobber in the Oral Office" by Slick Willie; "Driving over Bridges 101" by T. Kennedy.

Let's see now.

Put a cum stained blue dress and a drowned girl on one side of the scales.

Put 1820 slaughtered American soldiers on the other side.

Balance.

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RE: Mom Of Iraq KIA Stakes Out At Crawford

Tue Aug 09, 2005 12:24 am

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 29):
Given that this administration has changed its story numerous times on the reason and goals for this war, and can't even get its own story straight, only goes to show that the detailed deliberation and planning required wasn't done, nor even contemplated.

Do you think that is something new?

In my 348 days in Vietnam I got four "campaign stars" on my Vietnam Service medal. Why? Because President Lyndon Johnson (a Democrat) changed his mind that often about what we were doing there. To quote from the Institute of Heraldry:

"Soldiers receiving the Vietnam Service Medal are authorized to wear a bronze star to indicate each campaign. There are 17 designated campaigns during the period of 15 March 1962 through 28 January 1973."


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RE: Mom Of Iraq KIA Stakes Out At Crawford

Tue Aug 09, 2005 12:37 am

Quoting NonRevKing (Reply 33):
I guess Laura read the chapter by T. Kennedy, huh?

Being a librarian, she's likely read both pamphlets . . .  wink 

I knew as soon as I made that post I'd get several replies like the ones posted above.

My point was not to deflect any blame for this soldier's death - but rather to show there are equal numbers of Propaganda Pamphlets available for reading with various and sundry topics depending on the political views you hold . . .

I'm making no excuses nor offering any deflection Grunt my friend . . .
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RE: Mom Of Iraq KIA Stakes Out At Crawford

Tue Aug 09, 2005 12:59 am

"The message also urges Bush to send his twin daughters, Jenna and Barbara, to Iraq "if the cause is so noble.""

Who on earth SENDS their OWN children to war? That's something Michael Moore would say...so she's a dumb bitch. Sorry.
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RE: Mom Of Iraq KIA Stakes Out At Crawford

Tue Aug 09, 2005 1:11 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 38):
Who on earth SENDS their OWN children to war? That's something Michael Moore would say...so she's a dumb bitch. Sorry.

Why, Maverick? If it's so noble, and if some things are more precious than life itself, why SHOULDN'T he send his daughters to fight for HIS IDEALS?

It takes a dumb bastard, I guess to call a woman, who wants asnwers about for what reason her son died from the POTUS who sent him there, that she's a dumb bitch.
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RE: Mom Of Iraq KIA Stakes Out At Crawford

Tue Aug 09, 2005 1:15 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 38):
Who on earth SENDS their OWN children to war?

Well, President Franklin D. Roosevelt for one. His son FDR Junior was a naval officer and saw combat in WWII.
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RE: Mom Of Iraq KIA Stakes Out At Crawford

Tue Aug 09, 2005 1:16 am

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 36):
Do you think that is something new?

In my 348 days in Vietnam I got four "campaign stars" on my Vietnam Service medal. Why? Because President Lyndon Johnson (a Democrat) changed his mind that often about what we were doing there.

And Lyndon Johnson paid the price for that in the form of withdrawing his nomination in '68. At least the old codger hung his head in shame for the endless fibs, obfuscations, and outright lies his administration engaged in over Vietnam. Dubya shamelessly just yaps on about his so-called mandate.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 38):
Who on earth SENDS their OWN children to war?

I know several multi-generational military families in which one generation grooms the next generation for a lifelong military career.

Perhaps you should go tell the matriarchs of such families that they're just a bunch of dumb-ol-b*tches too.
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RE: Mom Of Iraq KIA Stakes Out At Crawford

Tue Aug 09, 2005 1:18 am

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 40):
Well, President Franklin D. Roosevelt for one. His son FDR Junior was a naval officer and saw combat in WWII.

His Nephew, Theodore Roosevelt, son of President Theodore Roosevelt, was a General that landed on Normandy. He died of a heart attack on D-Day after landing, if I remember.
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RE: Mom Of Iraq KIA Stakes Out At Crawford

Tue Aug 09, 2005 1:31 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 39):
It takes a dumb bastard, I guess to call a woman, who wants asnwers about for what reason her son died from the POTUS who sent him there, that she's a dumb bitch.

Amen.

Well said.

No matter the sacrifice, the shameless Bushies will shit on you if you dare challenge the Great Leader.

[Edited 2005-08-08 18:34:35]
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RE: Mom Of Iraq KIA Stakes Out At Crawford

Tue Aug 09, 2005 1:38 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 38):
so she's a dumb bitch. Sorry.

Anyone who reads that should know to stay away from Mav for a while. His number is about to come up on the karma lottery.

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RE: Mom Of Iraq KIA Stakes Out At Crawford

Tue Aug 09, 2005 1:53 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 28):
. We've got people in combat and regardless of whether or not he can "work from Crawford" the image sucks. Period. Vacation fine - take a week or two, even the GIs get that - taking 5 weeks is bullshit

He may have taken more vacations, but he's one of the few presidents that has flown directly into a warzone when he visited the troops for Thanksgiving. Clinton never did, Reagan didn't, neither did Carter. If I recall, Johnson was the only other one I can think of, when he went to Veitnam. I agree that Bush takes too many vacations, but this mom was basically hijacked by the MoveOn.org people and really has basically been a tool for the anti-war movement. The simple fact is, that it was her son that signed up, not her. He knew the risks, and soldier dying in combat is a part of going to war. We all wish we could come home with zero casualties, but it doesn't work that way.
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RE: Mom Of Iraq KIA Stakes Out At Crawford

Tue Aug 09, 2005 2:02 am

JetJack . . . my only point is I think it's  redflag  that PotUS is spending too much time in Crawford (regardless of his ability to run things from there) when we have troops employed in an extended combat operation in Iraq and Vietnam. You're military - remember the axiom - Lead By Example. Those GIs in the desert aren't getting 5 weeks off at their Ranch . . . simple as that.

As an aside, I don't think there was any place for Clinton, Reagan or Carter to go during their presidencies . . . no war zone anyway. . . perhaps a quick intervention in Grenada, Panama, Somalia . . . Bush 1 did head to the desert during Desert Storm I believe . . .

And in case this was directed at me specifically . . .

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 45):
The simple fact is, that it was her son that signed up, not her. He knew the risks, and soldier dying in combat is a part of going to war.

I concur.

And . . .

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 45):
We all wish we could come home with zero casualties, but it doesn't work that way.

I know that already . . . experience is a great educator . . .
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RE: Mom Of Iraq KIA Stakes Out At Crawford

Tue Aug 09, 2005 2:11 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 46):
JetJack . . . my only point is I think it's that PotUS is spending too much time in Crawford

I agree, He has taken to many holidays

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 46):
And in case this was directed at me specifically . . .

No, this wasn't directed at you, but to those who fail to understand that casualties are a part of going to war. And basically what thse who sign up are prepared to accept. I should've noted that.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 46):
Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 45):
We all wish we could come home with zero casualties, but it doesn't work that way.

I know that already . . . experience is a great educator . . .

Again, not directed at you ANC.
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RE: Mom Of Iraq KIA Stakes Out At Crawford

Tue Aug 09, 2005 2:13 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 39):
If it's so noble, and if some things are more precious than life itself, why SHOULDN'T he send his daughters to fight for HIS IDEALS?

I know you're convinced otherwise, but this is a free country, and if you want to fight in a war, you are more than welcome, and if you don't, you don't have to. This woman's son decided to join the military; Bush's daughters have decided otherwise. She didn't SEND her son to war, and Bush doesn't have to SEND his children to war either.

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 41):
Perhaps you should go tell the matriarchs of such families that they're just a bunch of dumb-ol-b*tches too.

You are the one telling others who should send their children to war.

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 43):
No matter the sacrifice, the shameless Bushies will shit on you if you dare challenge the Great Leader.

I was in support of her cause until I read her group's fatal Michael Moore copy-cat comment.
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RE: Mom Of Iraq KIA Stakes Out At Crawford

Tue Aug 09, 2005 2:51 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 48):
You are the one telling others who should send their children to war.

Nice try, but no cigar.

Although even as an opponent of this war, it would be awfully amusing to watch Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter and chicken hawks like you being chased by frenzied mobs through the streets of Falujah.
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