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alberchico
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Steroids: Good Or Bad?

Tue Aug 09, 2005 7:45 am

Are steroids really as bad as people claim? There was a recent article in the New York Post that claimed thousands of New Yorkers, ranging from taxi drivers to people on Wall street regularly used steroids. These people also reported never getting sick from it. But there have also been some horror stories concerning steroid use. So my question is: are the dangers posed by steroids real or are they exaggerated?
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RE: Steroids: Good Or Bad?

Tue Aug 09, 2005 7:59 am

As far I as know, steroids can make your "little you" become smaller if you are a guy.

maybe "little Alber" will be more "chico" than it already is...  duck  (that is, IF you decide to use steroids  Wink )

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RE: Steroids: Good Or Bad?

Tue Aug 09, 2005 8:01 am

OK I just wanna set the record straight I do not personally use them !!!
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RE: Steroids: Good Or Bad?

Tue Aug 09, 2005 8:04 am

They are used extensively in the medical field for various problems, I think mainly to help strengthen bones. As with many of these things, it's when they're abused (by athletes etc) that it becomes a problem.

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RE: Steroids: Good Or Bad?

Tue Aug 09, 2005 8:06 am

Quoting BristolFlyer (Reply 3):
They are used extensively in the medical field for various problems, I think mainly to help strengthen bones. As with many of these things, it's when they're abused (by athletes etc) that it becomes a problem.

oh yeah, that is true. I had an obese friend that was prescribed steroids for bone strengthening. I think he also took some for asthma, but I am not 100% sure.
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RE: Steroids: Good Or Bad?

Tue Aug 09, 2005 8:07 am

To lump all steroids into one single group doesn't make sense. There are many different types of steroids, all with different properties. Some steroids may be used to treat a rash, while a completely different type of steroid may be abused by body builders.

When it comes to the steroids body builders use, there many. These anaboloc steroids have two main properties. The anabolic property, and the androgenic property.

The anaboloc properties cause your mucles to grow, your red blood cell count to increase, and your mucles cells to retain more energy.

The androgenic properties are the same properties of natural testostorone that cause your voice to become deep and grow hair on your face.

Some steroids have very high anabolic properties, and very low androgenic properties. While others, like synthetic testostorone have very high anabolic and androgenic properties.

Anyway, what you're hearing about steroids as being dangerous is very true. The oral steroids and totally screw up your liver and kidneys. Both the oral and injectable steroids can cause your hormone system to get completely out of whack. Oh ya, and there's also hypogonadism. You'll need to ask Captoveur what it's like to have that.  Wink ...and let's not forget ripping a tendon from your arm or leg. On steroids, your mucles will grow faster than your tendons can handle, and they may end up ripping. Then once you stop taking the steroid, you'll need to keep taking them to maintain your rate muscle mass.
 
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RE: Steroids: Good Or Bad?

Tue Aug 09, 2005 8:53 am

Using anabolic steroids for building muscle is a relatively complicated process. You can't just take the same amount day after day. Dosages have to be cycled up and down, with occasional periods of non-use. Some people also have to take other drugs at the same time to counteract side effects. Many "juicers," however, fail to follow these precautions, and that's when problems can arise.
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RE: Steroids: Good Or Bad?

Tue Aug 09, 2005 9:14 am

Coz is right that 'steroids' is a really a collection of several kinds of hormones, each with their own activities. (Hormones act like chemical messengers.) All of these classes are naturally found in the body. The ones we manufacture simply mimic the the naturally occurring ones.

Corticosteroids (glucocorticosteroids) are the ones we most prescribe. They can be given by just about any means one can give a medication. The names and brands are many, and include hydrocortisone ("cortisone," such as found in many OTC creams), prednisone, medrol, etc. We primarily use them to reduce inflammation. They are more potent that ibuprofen, naproxyn, and others in another category of medications we call "non-steroidal anti-inflammatories" or NSAIDs for short.

In short courses corticosteroids are wonderful in calming down cases of poison ivy, asthma, bursitis, tendonitis, arthritis, etc, but in the long run they can cause major problems.

Coz was a little off as to how they can result in ruptures of tendons, though. It happens because of wasting of the tendon, thus weakening them. It can cause wasting in other tissues as well, including bones whereby one can get osteoporosis. There are many other potential side effects and issues, particularly with long term use, but they are great drugs if used prudently and in the lowest dose and shortest course required.

Anabolic (or androgenic) steroids are the ones people use to bulk up muscle mass. I suppose this is the kind of 'steroid' to which Alberchico was referring. These are derivatives of testosterone (which are derived from progesterone), are considered 'sex' hormones.

They are associated with some nasty effects. Rather than go into all of that, I refer you to this link:
http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/pubs/brochures/steroids/hidden/

There are also the mineralocorticosteroids, such as aldosterone, which deal with regulation of salt and water balance.

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RE: Steroids: Good Or Bad?

Tue Aug 09, 2005 7:25 pm

Wow, AA61hvy isn't in here doing his Jose Canseco impression and pimping the "virtues" or steroids.

Anyway, I think steroids are perfectly fine.

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RE: Steroids: Good Or Bad?

Tue Aug 09, 2005 9:03 pm

Some how I knew my name would come up in this conversation  Wink
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RE: Steroids: Good Or Bad?

Wed Aug 10, 2005 1:31 am

After I went through surgery the doctor gave me some for extreme pain, that was 4 years ago and I never got sick or any secondary effects from that- or at least that Im aware off.
But I would not take anabolic steroids to become super muscular it sounds way too complicated, I just go to the gym 5 X per week its much simpler and gives me the desired results.
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RE: Steroids: Good Or Bad?

Wed Aug 10, 2005 1:49 am

I was going to make an AA61hvy signed by post.. It is just too easy in this case.
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RE: Steroids: Good Or Bad?

Wed Aug 10, 2005 1:58 am

I have to take inhaled steroids twice daily for asthma. As well, I've had to take prednisone when I've gotten into trouble with my asthma. Prednisone works great at calming my lungs, but it has awful side effects. Worst for me are the killer night sweats. I wake up so soaked that I have to change the bed. It's gross.

If these are the "good" steroids, I will never go near the "bad" ones.
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RE: Steroids: Good Or Bad?

Wed Aug 10, 2005 2:07 am

Kroc...you are absolutely wrong about Lyle Alzado....




it was the Human Growth Hormone mixed with the steroids that did him in.
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RE: Steroids: Good Or Bad?

Wed Aug 10, 2005 2:16 am

I'm all for steroid use by professionals in the field of athletoentertainment.

But while we are at it, let's keep raising the bar, so to speak.

Lets move the bases out to 180 feet in baseball, and the outfield fence no closer than 700 feet. Hey, the stadiums would hold more people that way too! Maybe make the ball smaller and bats lighter.

In basketball let's raise the hoop to 22 feet from the wimpy eleven it is now! Let's see if we can breed a subspecies of basketball players fourteen feet tall who can still slamdunk!
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RE: Steroids: Good Or Bad?

Wed Aug 10, 2005 2:40 am

Quoting DL021 (Reply 13):
Kroc...you are absolutely wrong about Lyle Alzado....
it was the Human Growth Hormone mixed with the steroids that did him in.

Alzado died from a rare form of brain cancer that has not otherwise been associated with steroid and/or grwoth hormone use. It is, however, sometimes found in people who are HIV+. You can draw your own conclusions.
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RE: Steroids: Good Or Bad?

Wed Aug 10, 2005 3:22 am

Quoting DL021 (Reply 13):
Kroc...you are absolutely wrong about Lyle Alzado....




it was the Human Growth Hormone mixed with the steroids that did him in.

I cannot be "absolutely" wrong if the HGH was mixes with steroids now can I? As for the brain caner bit...its known that steroids or a combo with HGH helped break down this once powerful man. Similiar with Ken Caminiti. The overdose got him but the 'roids did their damage too.
 
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RE: Steroids: Good Or Bad?

Wed Aug 10, 2005 3:33 am

Steroids significantly lower your life expectancy, most of the people that take them for a long period of time die during their 50's. Steroids single handedly will not kill you but it will aid your death (most likely liver cancer).
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