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MLB: Is There A Worst Team Than Kansas City?

Wed Aug 10, 2005 1:07 pm

You have GOT to read about the 9th inning the Royals had Tuesday night:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=250809107

That's just incredible. You have 5 run lead, and make 3 errors in the 9th, to lose.

Gawd, but I feel bad for Buddy Bell-good guy, caught in a nightmare.

Can't be a worse team in baseball.
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RE: MLB: Is There A Worst Team Than Kansas City?

Wed Aug 10, 2005 1:12 pm

Sounds like a somewhat typical Detroit Tigers performance to me. Not desired, but not unusual, either. Regards...jack
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RE: MLB: Is There A Worst Team Than Kansas City?

Wed Aug 10, 2005 2:43 pm

 sigh 

It is such a same too because they bring up so many young players only not to be able to afford them when they get good. MLB needs to do something to make smaller markets more competitive like the NHL has recently done.

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RE: MLB: Is There A Worst Team Than Kansas City?

Wed Aug 10, 2005 2:49 pm

Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
Gawd, but I feel bad for Buddy Bell-good guy, caught in a nightmare.

I remember when he was a member of the Texas Rangers in the 80's. We all called him "Butty Smell"!! I know, juvenile, but hey, they were the Strangers!!

I disagree, I think the Texas Rangers are the worst. At least the Royals have gone to and won the World Series (at least were given the World Series in 1985 by Don Denkinger stupid umpire at 1st base).
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RE: MLB: Is There A Worst Team Than Kansas City?

Wed Aug 10, 2005 2:55 pm

Quoting Texdravid (Reply 3):
I disagree, I think the Texas Rangers are the worst.

WHAT! HAHAHAHAHA. You got to be kidding me! He never said all time, which the Rangers aren't anyway, but of present teams. Have you even watched the Rangers recently.

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RE: MLB: Is There A Worst Team Than Kansas City?

Wed Aug 10, 2005 3:19 pm

My guess is you will see a sweep starting Monday when KC and Seattle meet. The only reason you might not is if Felix is pitching. Percentage wise, you are correct. KC is even worse than Tampa, which is real sad.

Thank God football season is starting.
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RE: MLB: Is There A Worst Team Than Kansas City?

Wed Aug 10, 2005 4:26 pm

No, they are in fact the worst team in the MLB.

However, dollar for dollar, the New York Yankees are the worst team in the league.
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RE: MLB: Is There A Worst Team Than Kansas City?

Wed Aug 10, 2005 7:10 pm

Quoting SonOfACaptain (Reply 2):
It is such a same too because they bring up so many young players only not to be able to afford them when they get good. MLB needs to do something to make smaller markets more competitive like the NHL has recently done.

-SOAC

Bullcrap they don't have the money. They have money, but the owner just refuses to spend it. They may not have Yankee or Big City money, but thats no reason that the roster should be full of players that would be struggling to survive in Triple A ball. I really wish they would trade poor Mike Sweeney. A good player and a good guy i na miserable situation.

Quoting Texdravid (Reply 3):
I disagree, I think the Texas Rangers are the worst. At least the Royals have gone to and won the World Series (at least were given the World Series in 1985 by Don Denkinger stupid umpire at 1st base).

Obviously you know nothing about baseball. Texas doesn't have the pitching to compete right now, but they have mashers throughout the lineup and win allot of games just from pure run scoring ability alone.
 
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RE: MLB: Is There A Worst Team Than Kansas City?

Wed Aug 10, 2005 10:07 pm

I think what Texas needs is a domed stadium, with a retractible roof, to keep them away from taht God-awful Texas heat in the summer. Maybe they would be more competitive that way.

And the Rangers, worse than Kansas City? Uh, ok.
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Wed Aug 10, 2005 10:26 pm

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Wed Aug 10, 2005 10:37 pm

I think that the Rockies can give the Royals a run for their money, at least away from Coors Field they can.

Quoting MrChips (Reply 6):
However, dollar for dollar, the New York Yankees are the worst team in the league.

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RE: MLB: Is There A Worst Team Than Kansas City?

Thu Aug 11, 2005 12:47 am

Quoting KROC (Reply 7):
Texas doesn't have the pitching to compete right now, but they have mashers throughout the lineup and win allot of games just from pure run scoring ability alone.

You hit the nail on the head. All they really lack is good quality starting pitching. But the Texas Rangers remind me of the Colorado Rockies. They pound out the hits (ok.... Texas currently has more mashers in the lineup) but their staff can't pitch worth a #^$%&.
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RE: MLB: Is There A Worst Team Than Kansas City?

Thu Aug 11, 2005 1:08 am

Quoting Greyhound (Reply 11):
You hit the nail on the head. All they really lack is good quality starting pitching.

It was a good point. And it's proven that in post-season, that, more often than not, you need that quality pitching. Ask the '95 Indians, who had a modern-day Murderers' Row that year. The Braves didn't have near the offense the Indians had that year, but their pitching was better.
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Thu Aug 11, 2005 3:33 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 12):
It was a good point. And it's proven that in post-season, that, more often than not, you need that quality pitching. Ask the '95 Indians, who had a modern-day Murderers' Row that year. The Braves didn't have near the offense the Indians had that year, but their pitching was better.

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RE: MLB: Is There A Worst Team Than Kansas City?

Thu Aug 11, 2005 3:45 am

Tex- come on man: Soriano, Blalock, Young, Texiera. Thats a good line up right there. Even Bajaras is good.
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Thu Aug 11, 2005 3:29 pm

Quoting AA61Hvy (Reply 14):
Tex- come on man: Soriano, Blalock, Young, Texiera. Thats a good line up right there. Even Bajaras is good.

In the last 15 years, there has never been a question about the Texas batting lineup. However the pitching has continuously been a question mark.
The Rangers have always lacked pitching, whether in the old Arlington stadium or the new Ballpark.

Furthermore, at least the Royals have won in the past, as have the Brewers, Pirates, Mariners, etc.

IMHO, there are only two teams as worse or worse than the Strangers....Colorado and Tampa Bay, two recent expansion teams.
Everyone, and I mean everyone, have had more regular season and postseason success than the Rangers.
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RE: MLB: Is There A Worst Team Than Kansas City?

Thu Aug 11, 2005 4:01 pm

Quoting AA61Hvy (Reply 14):
Tex- come on man: Soriano, Blalock, Young, Texiera. Thats a good line up right there.

Best infield in the bigs.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 8):
think what Texas needs is a domed stadium, with a retractible roof, to keep them away from taht God-awful Texas heat in the summer. Maybe they would be more competitive that way.

Naw, because they are use to it and the oppenents aren't. The only way that would benefit the Rangers is because maybe some good pitchers wouldn't be afraid to come to North Texas.

Quoting Greyhound (Reply 11):
All they really lack is good quality starting pitching.

Supposedly we have some great pitchers coming up from Frisno.

Quoting KROC (Reply 7):
Bullcrap they don't have the money. They have money, but the owner just refuses to spend it. They may not have Yankee or Big City money, but thats no reason that the roster should be full of players that would be struggling to survive in Triple A ball.

Well that doesn't change anything. KC still can't afford decent players....be it because of the owners.

Quoting KROC (Reply 7):
I really wish they would trade poor Mike Sweeney. A good player and a good guy i na miserable situation.

Sweeney is the one who wanted to stay.

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Thu Aug 11, 2005 7:30 pm

Quoting SonOfACaptain (Reply 16):
Well that doesn't change anything. KC still can't afford decent players....be it because of the owners.

Sorry but this is a load of crap. Not only does the Royals owner have hundreds of millions of his own money, he is getting revenue sharing money now. Instead of just pocketing that, perhaps he should invest that money back into the team in the form of some decent quality players instead of the roster of Triple A rejects they have on the field now. I don't agree with the Yankees, Red Sox, Angles and even my Mets to name a few spending the boatloads of money they do, but teams like Pittsburgh, K.C., Oakland, Milwaukee etc all have money they could be spending on players but they don't.

Quoting SonOfACaptain (Reply 16):
Sweeney is the one who wanted to stay.

As a Sweeney Fan, I try and follow him as much as I can seeing as he is stuck in a Cow Town. And while he did at one point want to stay, he also wants to win and would be willing to go elsewhere to "help the team" as well as have a chane to win. And he said this himself a few weeks back on The Jim Rome Show.
 
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RE: MLB: Is There A Worst Team Than Kansas City?

Fri Aug 12, 2005 12:10 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 12):
Ask the '95 Indians, who had a modern-day Murderers' Row that year.

That was a scary lineup.... Kenny Lofton, Albert Belle, Jim Thome, Roberto Alomar..........

You should see #30 in the cnnsi power rankings this week. To quote specifically from there:

"#30 Kansas City Royals

At midweek, they'd lost 11 straight games, one shy of the team record. That includes 4 straight to the Devil Rays. Midway through the streak, they made eight roster moves in one day to shake things up -- and were outscored 27-1 in the next two games. Finally, they led the Indians 7-2 Tuesday night -- only to give up 11 runs in the ninth inning on eight hits and three errors, including two dropped balls. Still, number 30 is as low as we can go."
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RE: MLB: Is There A Worst Team Than Kansas City?

Fri Aug 12, 2005 12:28 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
MLB: Is There A Worst Team Than Kansas City?

I don't know, the Pirates should give them a run for their money.

I was watching the Pirates and Rockies last night. Bottom of the 5th inning. Pirates lead 1-0. Mark Redman is on the mound for the Pirates. There are 2 outs, with an 0-2 count on Aaron Cook (the PITCHER). What's Redman do? He walks Cook! With an 0-2 count. Four straight balls. It's the pitcher, we're not talking Albert Pujols here. Then the Rockies get four straight hits (2-1 Rockies), and Matt Holliday walks up and hits a 3-run homer.

From a 1-0 lead with 2 outs and an 0-2 count to a 5-1 deficit. Unbelievable.

Thank heavens it's almost football season.


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RE: MLB: Is There A Worst Team Than Kansas City?

Fri Aug 12, 2005 12:48 am

Quoting KROC (Reply 17):
Quoting SonOfACaptain (Reply 16):
Well that doesn't change anything. KC still can't afford decent players....be it because of the owners.

Sorry but this is a load of crap

I agree with KROC. We hear constantly in Cleveland, from the Indians penny-pinching owner, Larry Dolan, that he can't spend the money until the fans come out-hell, he all but blamed the fans last year for the fact he couldn't spend money this year-but if you put a shitty product on the field, unless they're called the Chicago Cubs or the Cleveland Browns, fans won't come to watch them.

Maybe these owners should think like this: spend the money, get the players, and ,gee, the fans will want to watch your product!

Quoting Greyhound (Reply 18):
That was a scary lineup.... Kenny Lofton, Albert Belle, Jim Thome, Roberto Alomar..........

Here's the averages, HR and RBI for their main guys.


Sandy Alomar, Jr. C 66 .300 10HR 35RBI
Carlos Baerga 2B 135 .314 15HR 90RBI
Albert Belle OF 143 .317 50HR 126RBI
Kenny Lofton OF 118 .310 7HR 53RBI
Eddie Murray DH 113 .323 21HR 82RBI
Manny Ramirez OF 137 .308 31HR 107RBI
Paul Sorrento 1B 104 .235 25HR 79RBI
Jim Thome 3B 137 .314 25HR 73RBI
Omar Vizquel SS 136 .266 6HR 56RBI

And remember, Ramirez and Thome were just kids then, and Vizquel wasn't the hitter he's become. Belle, despite his reputation, got royally screwed that year, and should have won AL MVP, as he clearly had the best season of anyone in the majors.

Plus the pitching wasn't bad. It, in fact, was near the top of the AL-Dennis Martinez, Orel Herschiser and Charlie Nagy were outstanding; the bullpen with Jim Assenmacher, Jim Poole and Eric Plunk as setup guys and Jose Mesa as the closer were almost unhittable that year.

Unfortunately for the Tribe, they ran into a HOF pitching staff in Atlanta that year.
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Fri Aug 12, 2005 4:45 am

Quoting KROC (Reply 17):
Sorry but this is a load of crap. Not only does the Royals owner have hundreds of millions of his own money, he is getting revenue sharing money now.

Once again, it doesn't mean anything! KC can't afford players. I know it is because of the owner, but the limit he gives the GM doesn't allow KC to spend $5 to buy a drink. Thus they can't afford to buy good players.

Quoting KROC (Reply 17):
And while he did at one point want to stay, he also wants to win and would be willing to go elsewhere to "help the team" as well as have a chane to win. And he said this himself a few weeks back on The Jim Rome Show.

That is why I said "wantED" to stay. I know he deserves better, but he is not the victim that you describe him as.

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Fri Aug 12, 2005 5:06 am

Quoting SonOfACaptain (Reply 21):
Once again, it doesn't mean anything! KC can't afford players. I know it is because of the owner, but the limit he gives the GM doesn't allow KC to spend $5 to buy a drink. Thus they can't afford to buy good players.

You made my point again. Its not that the Royals cannot afford players, its that the owner gives the GM a LIMIT on how much he can spend on players. There is a HUGE difference in not being able to afford better players and not wanting to spend the money to get better players. With the Revenue Sharing and the Salary Tax (that the Yanks get hit hard for to the tune of around 50 million this year!!!) the Royals could take their share and invest that money in a couple of decent free agents but they don't. Not because they cannot afford too, but because the owner doesn't want to spend the money.

Quoting SonOfACaptain (Reply 21):
That is why I said "wantED" to stay. I know he deserves better, but he is not the victim that you describe him as.

I never said he was a victim. I said I feel bad for him. He is a stand up guy and loyal to K.C. K.C. has the poor guy involved in trade talks every year and they should go ahead and move him and give him a chance to win.
 
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Fri Aug 12, 2005 5:23 am

Quoting KROC (Reply 22):
Not because they cannot afford too, but because the owner doesn't want to spend the money.

I think we are confusing each other. When I say they "can't afford" good players, I include the limit the owner is putting on the GM, (not that they have a lot of money way). I know they could spend some more money, but because of the limit, that can't "afford" to.

Quoting KROC (Reply 22):
He is a stand up guy and loyal to K.C. K.C. has the poor guy involved in trade talks every year and they should go ahead and move him and give him a chance to win.

He is a great guy and any team would be lucky to have him. I know I was hoping the Rangers would get him this year.

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Fri Aug 12, 2005 5:25 am

Quoting SonOfACaptain (Reply 23):
I know they could spend some more money, but because of the limit, that can't "afford" to.

Then you need some new terminology because they can afford players, they are just choosing not too.

I agree about Sweeney. I would like to see him at First Base for the Mets.
 
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RE: MLB: Is There A Worst Team Than Kansas City?

Thu Aug 18, 2005 12:22 am

Answer to the thread question is so far, almost.....

The record for consecutive losses was 21 by the (I hate saying this) '88 Orioles. The Royals are now at 17 losses after a 4-3 loss to Seattle last night. This brings K.C. to 80 losses on the year. Just as a sidethought, are there actual K.C. Royals fans still alive? What do they look like? I don't think I've ever run into one.
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RE: MLB: Is There A Worst Team Than Kansas City?

Thu Aug 18, 2005 12:31 am

Quoting Greyhound (Reply 25):

The record for consecutive losses was 21 by the (I hate saying this) '88 Orioles.

Didn't that O's team end up somehwere near .500, without looking it up. I think after that horrible start, they ended up playing pretty respectible ball.

And the Royal's misery is at 17 games. I really feel badly for Buddy Bell. Good guy. He should just get out of there.
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Thu Aug 18, 2005 12:33 am

I believe the Reds lost 23 games in the mid-50's or so. At least thats what I thought I heard on the radio. I could be wrong though.
 
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Thu Aug 18, 2005 12:38 am

Quoting KROC (Reply 27):
I could be wrong though.

A real newsflash would be if you're right, KROC. Don't bore us with the obvious.  Wink
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Thu Aug 18, 2005 12:40 am

Quoting KROC (Reply 27):
I believe the Reds lost 23 games in the mid-50's or so. At least thats what I thought I heard on the radio. I could be wrong though.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200....bba.royals.mariners.ap/index.html

There's the article I got that from.... it was the only way I knew about the O's and their losing streak.
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Thu Aug 18, 2005 12:43 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 28):
A real newsflash would be if you're right, KROC. Don't bore us with the obvious

Now THAT is worthy of a freakin' KO. You all will excuse me while I collect up pieces of my grill since Falcon84 just left me looking like Mike Cameraon in Right Center in Petco Park!

 
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Thu Aug 18, 2005 1:14 am

I can't believe my Giants have actually found a way to win/steal 52 games this year....  crying 

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Thu Aug 18, 2005 1:16 am

Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 31):
I can't believe my Giants have actually found a way to win/steal 52 games this year....

Is that the number of games they've won or the average age of their opening day starting lineup?
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Thu Aug 18, 2005 1:17 am

Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 31):
I can't believe my Giants have actually found a way to win/steal 52 games this year....

Especially with a bunch of "brain-dead carribean players". Isn't that what that sports talk show dude said that got him fired?  Big grin
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Fri Aug 19, 2005 12:01 am

I just found out the '61 Phillies lost 23 in a row. The AL record was 21 by the '88 O's. And the streak is now at 18 as Kansas City was swept by  gasp  the Mariners. Adrian Beltre hit a grand slam and Richie Sexson hit his 30th home run.
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Fri Aug 19, 2005 12:13 am

Quoting Greyhound (Reply 34):
I just found out the '61 Phillies lost 23 in a row.

So I was right. *Gives falcon84 a nice Italian gesture*  Wink
 
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Fri Aug 19, 2005 12:15 am

Quoting KROC (Reply 35):
Quoting Greyhound (Reply 34):
I just found out the '61 Phillies lost 23 in a row.

So I was right. *Gives falcon84 a nice Italian gesture*

No, you're still wrong:

Quoting KROC (Reply 27):
I believe the Reds lost 23 games in the mid-50's or so. At least thats what I thought I heard on the radio. I could be wrong though.

Reds haven't relocated since then.  Wink
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RE: MLB: Is There A Worst Team Than Kansas City?

Fri Aug 19, 2005 12:21 am

Same difference. I had the losing streak right. Both teams wear red...and both teams suck. Easy mistake.  Wink
 
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Fri Aug 19, 2005 12:50 am

Quoting KROC (Reply 35):
So I was right. *Gives falcon84 a nice Italian gesture*

So, that's why the planets were aligned-KROC was once the only time in his life!  Big grin
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