TPASXM787
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To Get A New Car Or Not...?

Fri Aug 19, 2005 1:30 am

Ok, here's the situation. I have a 2000 Jeep. It needs probably about $1200 worth of work, including the a/c, so it's pretty critical. I owe about $8700, the "trade in value" is $10,500. I can fix it to the point where the a/c will blow cold when I go to trade it. I get the normal sh*t SUV gas mileage, and if gas get much more expensive ($5 a gallon rumored next year) My gas will be more than my payment (it's close now).

My question is...is it even worth fixing it? I'm considering trading it in for an Accord coupe or something along those lines...that will get me better gas mileage and run forever. I have about $2k in trade equity and can get about $2k down. I want to keep my pmts around $325, new or used doesn't matter. I would be able to spend more, but student loans are a biotch.

Thoughts?
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RE: To Get A New Car Or Not...?

Fri Aug 19, 2005 1:32 am

Sounds like you would be better off trading it in for something newer and probably more reliable with better gas milage.
 
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RE: To Get A New Car Or Not...?

Fri Aug 19, 2005 1:39 am

Definitely trade it!

And do it before all the employee discounts run out and save yourself a couple of thousand.
 
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RE: To Get A New Car Or Not...?

Fri Aug 19, 2005 1:46 am

Do your bit for American security and trade down to something much more economical. Even the political right in the USA now acknowledges this to be an effective policy to combat dependence on unstable Arab oil supplies and increase security.

So no matter which side of the spectrum you sit on politically, there is agreement that downsizing the gas guzzler is the correct way forward. Sell it and buy a secondhand Prius or something with good mpg.

Accords are good too. Honda cars have always been great performers for mileage. My new Mazda is currently doing just shy of forty to the gallon as well, so I'm pleased with that. I run it on Ultra Low Sulphur Petrol as well.

If you don't need a SUV for genuine reasons then you should think long and hard about downsizing. They are not just a fashion or lifestyle statement any more, they are now being regarded as a factor in National Security.
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RE: To Get A New Car Or Not...?

Fri Aug 19, 2005 1:48 am

I would agree, you should trade it.
Normally, because you have a vehicle worth 10,500, is only 5 years old, and needs only 1200 in repairs, I would advise you to keep it. However, because of the high fuel costs, and the fact that you (unlike huge numbers of people) are not "upside down" on your financing, I would tell you to take advantage of cutting and running now. Besides, unless you trudge off road every weekend, or live on a farm, and have 5 dogs, there's no point to having a gas sucking SUV.

Quoting BigOrange (Reply 2):
Definitely trade it!

And do it before all the employee discounts run out and save yourself a couple of thousand.

Good point, but I don't believe Honda participates in the "employee pricing" friendzy. They don't have to. Their cars are good enough to not have to slash the price to move them.

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RE: To Get A New Car Or Not...?

Fri Aug 19, 2005 1:50 am

Quoting 777DadandJr (Reply 4):

Good point, but I don't believe Honda participates in the "employee pricing" friendzy. They don't have to. Their cars are good enough to not have to slash the price to move them.

Two words..."resale value"
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RE: To Get A New Car Or Not...?

Fri Aug 19, 2005 1:52 am

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 5):
Two words..."resale value"

Hell yes. I work in auto financing, and Honda/Acura are the best at holding their value. Infiniti does well too.
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RE: To Get A New Car Or Not...?

Fri Aug 19, 2005 2:03 am

Over here, Toyotas are good as well.

I've got a family member who bought a Toyota Yaris, fully loaded top of the range. Don't think they are sold in the USA, but it's a Euro-sized compact thing. Her mpg is amazing and it's extremely fast.

The new Corolla is a lovely car too, I looked at one before I bought this thing. Build quality is excellent and the new clutchless MMT gearbox does excellent mpg.
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RE: To Get A New Car Or Not...?

Fri Aug 19, 2005 2:20 am

TPASXM787:
Yes, you are better off dumping it.
I am suprised the a/c went out in just 5 years.

Getting a better milage vehicle is a good idea however you don't have to totally compromise with a little underpower box like others mentioned above.
You may want to consider the fast, luxurious and very EFFICENT 2003-2004 Mercury Maurader.  Cool
Although it was a marketplace failure do to rediculous dealer markups when new, these are great reliable fun cars to drive. These are build on the tested and proven Panther platform that's been around forever.
These cars last forever and police and taxis have trusted this platform since 1979.
This car will give you low cost, low maintenence service until your retirement.



DIO21 is in the market for one right now.  bigthumbsup 
http://speedycars.chinacars.com/wallpaper2/mercury/Mercury_Marauder_2003_006.jpg

http://www.modernracer.com/images/mercurymarauderback2.jpg


BTW, it's got 302 HP and has plenty of trunk space for your golf clubs.  Smile
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RE: To Get A New Car Or Not...?

Fri Aug 19, 2005 2:25 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 8):
a little underpower box like others mentioned above.

Although I would agree that the Marauder is one bad ass car, calling a 240hp V6 Accord, "underpowered" is a bit of a mis-statement.

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RE: To Get A New Car Or Not...?

Fri Aug 19, 2005 2:32 am

777DadandJr:
I was refering to the Prius and other hybrids.
The Honda Accord with the V6 'option' can produce a lot of horsepower but at a higher RPM from a smaller engine that doesn't get that much more efficency than a V8.
The 4.6 liter V8 Marauder gets within 5 miles per gallon with the Honda Accord with the V6 option.
Now if that Accord was getting 45 miles per gallon with 240 horsepower, that would be impressive.
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RE: To Get A New Car Or Not...?

Fri Aug 19, 2005 2:44 am

So why do you need such a big engine?

Seems you are missing the point. Smaller, more efficient engines are the way to go with the economy to get you through any oil price hike.

If you are not doing tens of thousands of miles regularly then all that V6 and V8 power is just willy-waving. Economy and efficiency is the name of the game in the new reality of oil prices. A 2 litre or less engine still gets you from A to B, and will have a hell of a lot more resale value in a few years when fuel costs could be right up where people are still not contemplating.

Add in a decent war in somewhere like Saudi Arabia and $100 a barrel oil is entirely possible. Car buyers should be future proofing their investment.
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RE: To Get A New Car Or Not...?

Fri Aug 19, 2005 2:54 am

WhiteHatter:
Points well taken.
Keep in mind the Ford 4.6 and 5.4 V8 gasoline engines are VERY EFFICIENT.
They get the same MPG as many smaller V6 and turbo 4 cylinder engines.
The V8 offers a very quite smooth ride because of the low RPMs but can certainly offer tons of power when needed.
The current Ford 4.6 liter is hardly a gas guzzler like my 7.5 liter.  Smile

Buying a trusted and proven platform is a smart way to future proof your purchase. Cars aren't investments anyway. They are all liabilities because they all depreciate and don't generate $$$.
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RE: To Get A New Car Or Not...?

Fri Aug 19, 2005 3:03 am

Most car dealers or banks do not give you book value when trading it in. They usually only do that if you own it out right. Also from the balance pay off they will deduct $0.10 a mile for anything over the average.
So if you have high mileage it will be worth less. Most dealers use the 12,000 to 15,000 miles a year as average banks as well.
 
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RE: To Get A New Car Or Not...?

Fri Aug 19, 2005 3:06 am

That new Dodge Charger has caught my eye. I'd suggest the Mazda 3, as well.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 8):
I am suprised the a/c went out in just 5 years.

The Great Yellow beast just ate it's A/C, and it's only FOUR. Thank goodness for extended warranty.
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RE: To Get A New Car Or Not...?

Fri Aug 19, 2005 3:12 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 8):
Mercury Maurader.

That car is bad ass. The trunk not only has room for golf clubs, it has room for several bodies. It drives great, is surprisingly efficient, a looker, has tons of room, and a bargain.

And based on the Grand Marquis, it will be at home in Florida!

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RE: To Get A New Car Or Not...?

Fri Aug 19, 2005 3:37 am

First and foremost, it may be time for you to unload that Jeep. I believe everyone's in agreement on that one.

Second, you might want to ponder a few things when shopping for your next car, this should be automatic (in random order):

1. How many miles/year you put on it... do you have a long commute?
2. Will you be doing some towing?
3. Do you carry passengers and/or cargo fairly often?
4. Not to get personal here, but does your physical size requirements prevent you from fitting into a small car?
5. Being from Florida, you must use your a/c fairly often.
6. Does your driving area have a lot of steep hills? This can be daunting if you opt for a manual transmission.
7. How long do you plan on keeping this car?
8. Is leasing a car a viable alternative for you?

If you just are looking for a vehicle to get you from point A to point B and you drive a lot of miles; then a 4-banger subcompact or 4-banger 2WD pick-up might suit you fine. Manual transmission models will usually produce the highest mileage ratings. However, keep in mind, that with many smaller vehicles; your gas mileage will be lower if you keep a lot of stuff in your trunk/cargo area or when you have the a/c on.

However, if you're in a situation where you're carrying passengers fairly often, something larger like a mid-size or even a full-size car might fit the bill. Keep in mind that due its better aerodynamics, a full-size car that has the same engine as an SUV will usually return higher mileage... especially if the comparable SUV has 4WD.

One thing you did not mention about your Jeep was what model it is... Wrangler, Liberty, Grand Cherokee? If yours is a V8 4WD Grand Cherokee, nearly any car on the road (excluding exotic sports or super luxury cars) will return better mileage.

The Marauder that 'Fly listed is a good choice (one might be able to get on cheap due to the higher gas prices). However, if you don't need all the extra power or flash, a basic Crown Victoria or Grand Marquis will be a bit cheaper and the base 4.6L engine will get decent highway mileage. My brother actually got 29 mpg on a '94 Crown Vic. he rented many years ago; obviously it was all highway driving.

If you don't need a full-size but want more room than a compact; there are many mid-sizes out there.

Worth noting: most Honda cars seem to have less interior room than their comparable rivals (including Toyota). My brother sat in a Camry and an Accord one time and noticed that the Camry had more room.

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RE: To Get A New Car Or Not...?

Fri Aug 19, 2005 3:55 am

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 16):
1. How many miles/year you put on it... do you have a long commute?

Yeah, I drive about 25 miles each way to work. My Jeep is a V6 Grand Cherokee, I get about 15 mpg city and 21 mpg highway. I like the Camrys too, they are very roomy. I can fit in any car really, I'm about 5'10", just average Joe. I would like to have it for some time, I've only had my Jeep for a year and a half and it's just a big POS. I thought it would last well too, it was a salesman's wife's car with all the scheduled maint done on it...
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RE: To Get A New Car Or Not...?

Fri Aug 19, 2005 4:21 am

Quoting TriStarEnvy (Reply 14):
That new Dodge Charger has caught my eye

Damn straight! The first time I saw one in person, I had a Homer Simpson moment (Oooooooh Charger....drools). I saw one on the way home from work the other day and almost wanted to follow them. The next time I take my Stratus in for an oil change, I'll be roaming the lot and maybe just for the hell take a test drive of a Charger (It'll probably be a few years until I get one).

The Stratus/Sebring is not a bad car either; I've seen a few dealers where I live actually having some good prices on the Sebring convertible, which is a pretty nice ride.

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RE: To Get A New Car Or Not...?

Fri Aug 19, 2005 4:31 am

The new Dodge Charger is a great car but may be out of TPASXM787's price range.
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RE: To Get A New Car Or Not...?

Fri Aug 19, 2005 4:38 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 12):
Keep in mind the Ford 4.6 and 5.4 V8 gasoline engines are VERY EFFICIENT.
They get the same MPG as many smaller V6 and turbo 4 cylinder engines.
The V8 offers a very quite smooth ride because of the low RPMs but can certainly offer tons of power when needed.
The current Ford 4.6 liter is hardly a gas guzzler like my 7.5 liter.

What I'm getting at is that in the climate of today, you need to ask a couple of important questions of yourself before buying a car.

1. What sort of mileage am I driving?
2. If gasoline cost twice or more what it does today, could I still afford to drive it?
3. What will it be like to resell in 3 years or so?

In 2008, that salesman might well be saying "look, I'd love to do a deal with you but with gas at ten bucks a gallon because of [whatever] cars with that size engine just don't sell anymore. Everyone wants 2 litre or less"

It's something I certainly thought about before buying mine. I was looking at one vehicle but the 26mpg put me off it despite it being just what I wanted. As did the question of whether I could still afford it in three to five years if petrol prices doubled. Over there you guys drive a lot more and differently than we do because of your geography so some people do need more low-end grunt and smooth cruise power, but it's that future-proofing which needs to be kept firmly in mind nowadays.
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RE: To Get A New Car Or Not...?

Fri Aug 19, 2005 4:39 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 19):
The new Dodge Charger is a great car but may be out of TPASXM787's price range.

The base model Charger has an MSRP of $22,320, which is about in the middle of the price range for an '05 Accord.
 
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RE: To Get A New Car Or Not...?

Fri Aug 19, 2005 4:40 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 19):
The new Dodge Charger is a great car but may be out of TPASXM787's price range.

Well, he can alwas get a sweet deal at a Pontiac store on a nice 2005 Azt...uh....oh never mind......
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RE: To Get A New Car Or Not...?

Fri Aug 19, 2005 5:43 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 12):
The current Ford 4.6 liter is hardly a gas guzzler like my 7.5 liter.

*Coughs* or a 5.7L V8 LT1  Silly
 
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RE: To Get A New Car Or Not...?

Fri Aug 19, 2005 6:00 am

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 23):
*Coughs* or a 5.7L V8 LT1

Well your Impala gets decent milage. I am lucky if I get 13 MPG hiway.

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 20):
3. What will it be like to resell in 3 years or so?

Well he already indicated;"run forever".

Quoting TPASXM787 (Thread starter):
or something along those lines...that will get me better gas mileage and run forever.

Doesn't sound like is too concerned about resale if he plans on keeping the car a long time.



For some one seriously concerned about efficiency, they should only look at the diesels. They can also be converted in to bio-diesels too.
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RE: To Get A New Car Or Not...?

Fri Aug 19, 2005 6:09 am

Does anyone know some easy formula for converting mpg to liters/100km???
BTW, for God's sake, start using SI units like the rest of the world does!!!
 
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RE: To Get A New Car Or Not...?

Fri Aug 19, 2005 6:14 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 8):
You may want to consider the fast, luxurious and very EFFICENT 2003-2004 Mercury Maurader

Fast: sort of. Luxurious: not really. Efficient: you have got to be joking

Quoting Superfly (Reply 8):
I am suprised the a/c went out in just 5 years.

I'm not

Quoting Superfly (Reply 8):
with a little underpower box like others mentioned above.

The Accord is certainly not an "underpower box". Also, there are plenty of cars with power that get respectable mileage.

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 7):
I've got a family member who bought a Toyota Yaris, fully loaded top of the range. Don't think they are sold in the USA, but it's a Euro-sized compact thing. Her mpg is amazing and it's extremely fast.

The new Corolla is a lovely car too, I looked at one before I bought this thing. Build quality is excellent and the new clutchless MMT gearbox does excellent mpg.

The Yaris is not in any way extremely fast, and is not offered in the US. Corolla's are great cars (hence they are the best selling car line ever) though US spec Corolla's don't pull the same power as Euro spec ones do

Quoting Superfly (Reply 10):
The 4.6 liter V8 Marauder gets within 5 miles per gallon with the Honda Accord with the V6 option.

5 MPG is still 5 MPG. Also, that Accord will pull the same or better mileage as it gets older while American V8s (all of them) may pull OK mileage early on, but they go to hell after 3-5 years and start guzzling gas like a 454. Beyond that, they are made so that they will get higher numbers in the EPA tests, but in real world driving, they end up using far more

Quoting Superfly (Reply 12):
Keep in mind the Ford 4.6 and 5.4 V8 gasoline engines are VERY EFFICIENT.

If by VERY EFFICENT you mean USE LOTS OF FUEL, you are totally correct Fly
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RE: To Get A New Car Or Not...?

Fri Aug 19, 2005 6:49 am

It is a better time than ever to buy a new car. Take advantage of Friends & Family pricing on 2005 models before it goes away. The bargain prices helps make up for the lackluster thought and design put into cars at GM and Ford these days.
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RE: To Get A New Car Or Not...?

Fri Aug 19, 2005 6:53 am

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 25):
Does anyone know some easy formula for converting mpg to liters/100km???

Liters per 100km/282.48 = MPG

282.48/MPG = liters per 100km
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RE: To Get A New Car Or Not...?

Fri Aug 19, 2005 6:58 am

The European modification of the Accord not only looks much better than the US version (IMHO), but the supposedly excellent common rail diesel 2.2 CTDi runs almost for free. Almost. Urban cycle 6.7 l/100km, extra-urban 4.6 l/100km, combined 5.4 l/100km (EURO 4)

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RE: To Get A New Car Or Not...?

Fri Aug 19, 2005 7:15 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 26):
The Yaris is not in any way extremely fast

The T Spirit/T Sport, for its size, is incredibly gutsy. It isn't designed as a dragster, but it does cruise nicely at higher speed. Superminis will always be more gutsy.

Seen that turbo-D Skoda Fabia they are doing now? Top Gear took one on the track against a petrol Mini Cooper and it ate the Mini alive!

Quoting Superfly (Reply 24):
Doesn't sound like is too concerned about resale if he plans on keeping the car a long time.

Doesn't everyone....?

Then two to three years later the 'itch' sets in!

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 29):
The European modification of the Accord not only looks much better than the US version

but not even close to being as pretty as the Mazda 6

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RE: To Get A New Car Or Not...?

Fri Aug 19, 2005 7:42 am

N1120A:
Thanks for sharing your opinions with us. They certainly are in contrast to the facts that I listed.  Smile

Quoting N1120A (Reply 26):
Also, that Accord will pull the same or better mileage as it gets older while American V8s (all of them) may pull OK mileage early on, but they go to hell after 3-5 years and start guzzling gas like a 454. Beyond that, they are made so that they will get higher numbers in the EPA tests, but in real world driving, they end up using far more

Are you just singling out American V8s or all American cars?
My 1987 Chrysler LeBaron convertible which I got rid of 2 years ago with 205,000 miles on it got 24MPG in real world driving.
How do I know?
It was loaded with those computers and gadgets that broke down average and actually MPG and it even had voice alert system which was acurate.
I had the original sticker price that was in the window when the car was new.
Guess what?
It was rated at getting 24MPG.
16 years and 205,000 miles later, it was getting the exact milage when new.
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RE: To Get A New Car Or Not...?

Fri Aug 19, 2005 7:46 am

The European modification of the Accord not only looks much better than the US version (IMHO)

The European version on the Accord is quite a bit smaller then the Accord sold in North America and is sold as the Acura TSX.

 
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RE: To Get A New Car Or Not...?

Fri Aug 19, 2005 7:53 am

Depends as ever on how you drive it. If you roar off from the lights every time then you'll get silly mpg.

American cars as a breed are a bit gas-heavy compared to others, but I've always liked them for their basic design work and dependability. After all the infamous Rover V6 which went on for decades and powered just about everything started life as a Chevy concept engine.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 31):
My 1987 Chrysler LeBaron convertible which I got rid of 2 years ago with 205,000 miles on it got 24MPG in real world driving

That isn't too bad compared with some others, but you really need to be looking for a car which will average in the thirties or better nowadays. Again it's future proofing, and essential for anyone who is clocking up any kind of mileage in their yearly driving cycle.
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RE: To Get A New Car Or Not...?

Fri Aug 19, 2005 8:08 am

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 33):
That isn't too bad compared with some others, but you really need to be looking for a car which will average in the thirties or better nowadays.

Understood, but the point I was making is that it got the same milage when new.
However the car did break down a lot (mixed with Mitsushitsi parts) and stayed in showroom condition because it spend half it's life in the garage being fixed on.  Smile
That tiny 2.2 turbo 4-banger put out an emberassing 146 horsepower.
However it was a good looking car.
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RE: To Get A New Car Or Not...?

Fri Aug 19, 2005 8:22 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 31):
It was rated at getting 24MPG

Our 2.0 Litre unleaded Passat was only getting 26 MPG so we got rid of it for a 525D which happily gets 42MPG.

How you can think 24MPG is good is beyond me?

Edit:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 34):
However it was a good looking car.

Ok, so that's why you put up with it?  Wink

[Edited 2005-08-19 01:23:17]
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RE: To Get A New Car Or Not...?

Fri Aug 19, 2005 8:26 am

Quoting Myt332 (Reply 35):
How you can think 24MPG is good is beyond me?

FOR THE LAST DARNED TIME!  biting 

I was just indicating to Whitehatter that the milage didn't change with the age of the car!
I NEVER said the 24 MPG was good!  biting 

Re-read my reply (#24), the last sentence.
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RE: To Get A New Car Or Not...?

Fri Aug 19, 2005 8:55 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 31):
It was rated at getting 24MPG.

24 MPG still sucks though, for a little four-banger. I get better millage from my 1994 BMW 540i 300hp V-8 station wagon.

I would believe those stories about $5 gas, TPAS. Go for fuel efficiency, unless you have a particular need for a big car.

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RE: To Get A New Car Or Not...?

Fri Aug 19, 2005 9:08 am

Cfalk:
I am I going to have to shout at you too?!?!  biting 
Read the post above yours.

24MPG sucks for a 4banger for today's standards.
Of course a 1994 model car will get better milage than a 1987 model.
That old 2.2 was an early 80s model engine and adding a turbocharger to it cut's down on the milage too.


I never said 24 MPG was good!

Geez!


Now let's get back to helping out TPASXM787 find a new car.
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RE: To Get A New Car Or Not...?

Fri Aug 19, 2005 11:05 am

As far as a new car goes, consider getting a diesel. The new diesels that VW produces are much quieter than they used to be (plus it kinda smells like Jet A Big grin) Diesels are very long lasting engines. They're built to handle a lot of hard work, and diesel is usually cheaper than regular unleaded. For some reason they haven't caught on in North America though.

My reccomendation for a car though is a Honda Accord. It's practical, reliable, and will keep its value well, especially if it is maintained.

Here's another question for all of you that have experience in buying and selling cars...

How do you know it's time to get a new car? Obviously if it doesn't work it's time for a new one, but do you use any factors like monthly maintenance or such. I want to sell my car when it still has some value, but not before I've gotten the most bang for my buck out of it.
 
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RE: To Get A New Car Or Not...?

Fri Aug 19, 2005 12:18 pm

Coming from someone who sells Hondas, you may want to have your Jeep appraised before you go any further. The employee pricing schemes are putting a huge damper on resale values so I wouldn't use a guide to get a trade value. The fact that it needs some work doesn't help either. Personally I would not fix it before you trade it in, you won't get that money back.

As far as your budget goes, $2k down and $325 a month is about right if you want to lease. But it's not going to work if you are trying to purchase. 325x60+2000 = $21500. That 21,500 has to include the sales price, tax, MV fees, and interest.

Hope this helps. If you have any questions, feel free to email me.

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RE: To Get A New Car Or Not...?

Fri Aug 19, 2005 12:26 pm

Superfly, that Marauder is awesome, but does Ford still produce it? I know our chief of police drives one and its a fast car.
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RE: To Get A New Car Or Not...?

Fri Aug 19, 2005 2:54 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 31):
Thanks for sharing your opinions with us. They certainly are in contrast to the facts that I listed.

Given my experience with cars, I think I can give quite educated opinions on things

Quoting Superfly (Reply 31):
Are you just singling out American V8s

Mainly American V8s, though others still can present issues

Quoting Superfly (Reply 38):
24MPG sucks for a 4banger for today's standards.

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RE: To Get A New Car Or Not...?

Fri Aug 19, 2005 4:58 pm

Quoting AC_A340 (Reply 39):
For some reason they haven't caught on in North America though.

Is it true that a diesel fuel, good enough for the modern common rail and turbo diesels, is a sometimes hard to buy in the US?
 
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RE: To Get A New Car Or Not...?

Fri Aug 19, 2005 6:07 pm

Quoting AC777LR (Reply 41):
Superfly, that Marauder is awesome, but does Ford still produce it? I know our chief of police drives one and its a fast car.

No they dont make it anymore because people always love crappy cheap econoboxes to good soild powerful cars.

The Marauder is one beastly vehicle, you dont see your normal Firebird, Mustang, Supra, Prelude crowd driving the Marauder. Its a serious car with some serious power that is just intimidating (reminds me of my vehicle kind of  Silly 300hp though is a bit weak  Silly )
 
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RE: To Get A New Car Or Not...?

Fri Aug 19, 2005 7:34 pm

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 44):
reminds me of my vehicle kind of 300hp though is a bit weak

LOL well I guess so but thats stock HP, not that bad! Big grin I just bought my self a Dodge Magnum with a Hemi and it has 340 Hp, I really wanted the 6.1Hemi Magnum but price stopped that.
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RE: To Get A New Car Or Not...?

Fri Aug 19, 2005 10:48 pm

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 43):
Is it true that a diesel fuel, good enough for the modern common rail and turbo diesels, is a sometimes hard to buy in the US?

I've heard that too. Lots of the smaller filling stations don't carry diesel in the USA apparently.

Diesel makes sense when fuel prices are high. The City Diesel we get here is also not supposed to be widely available in the USA, the cleaner burning variety which seems to be universally the type on offer.

Next time round I'm thinking of LPG anyway as I've got three LPG enabled stations within two miles of here. Dualfuel cars are available straight from the manufacturers nowadays, GM Vauxhall in particular are offering Dualfuel factory fitted from the dealers or even available to buy online. The price difference is definitely attractive as is the subsidy which the Gummint chips in.
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RE: To Get A New Car Or Not...?

Fri Aug 19, 2005 10:56 pm

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 33):
After all the infamous Rover V6 which went on for decades and powered just about everything started life as a Chevy concept engine.

Are you actually referring to the V8 Rover - 3.5 Litre effort. If so that was a Buick (still GM of course) initially I think.

Of course these days there are other things to consider when it comes to economy. In particular things such as air-con/climate control. When the system is full on in my audi, the difference in my current consumption according to the on-board compute is considerable. Fortunately I have an econ setting which helps when the weather isn't too hot.
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RE: To Get A New Car Or Not...?

Fri Aug 19, 2005 11:08 pm

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 44):
Quoting AC777LR (Reply 41):
Superfly, that Marauder is awesome, but does Ford still produce it? I know our chief of police drives one and its a fast car.

No they dont make it anymore because people always love crappy cheap econoboxes to good soild powerful cars.

Sadly, the Maruader was dropped after the 2004 model year. 3 things lead to its short-lived production:

1. IMHO, it came out about 3 to 4 years too late. With the economy turning downward, performance-oriented vehicles usually are the first ones to take a hit saleswise.

2. When it did come out, for reasons unknown, Mercury didn't exactly go out of its way to advertise the thing. Many people didn't know that the car existed.

3. Mercury got a little too greedy with the price. It stickered about $5000 more than the most-loaded Grand Marquis LSE but the engine, while it did perform better than either the base 4.6L or the optional 4.6L from the Handling & Performance packages that are still offered on the Crown Vic. & Grand Marquis, it didn't perform better enough to justify the higher sticker price. In comparison, the '94-'96 Impala SS wasn't that more expensive than the most-loaded Caprice Classic of the same vintage. The 5.4L engine (which was originally supposed to be offered) might have helped the price justification.

The closest thing to a Marauder now is the Ford Crown Victoria LX Sport Package; which, again Ford doesn't seem to lift a finger to advertise... even before the gas prices went beserk.


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RE: To Get A New Car Or Not...?

Sat Aug 20, 2005 2:37 am

Quoting Cornish (Reply 47):
Are you actually referring to the V8 Rover - 3.5 Litre effort. If so that was a Buick (still GM of course) initially I think.

It was a mistype, it was the Rover V8. But apparently the engine Rover took over and developed was sourced from a Chevrolet. Hammond did a piece on it recently.

And it's finally bit the dust after all these years. Chelsea Tractors and Discos now have newer power units sourced from inside the Ford group (Jaguar engines for the Disco). It's a shame that GM never did any more with that design as look how long it lasted in Land Rover and Rover cars plus many others.

On American cars...I've always liked the Chrysler Neon. Shame it never really got going here. I passed a Chrysler dealership on my way back from BLK last week and some of the motors on the forecourt there were four wheeled orgasms (the softtop Crossfire is stunning).
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