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zippyjet
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"jack" Radio Sucks And The Ratings Show It!

Wed Aug 24, 2005 8:38 am

Not to wish anyone or any business misfortune. But, I heard that in New York City, the once great radio station formerly known as WCBS-FM switched to this mindless corporate cheap format. Guess what folks? In this last Arbitron ratings book. WCBS-FM was 9th. in Gotham City. Since this radio giant switched to JACK ratings dropped to 17th. place! When will the corporate bean counters ever learn, that the public knows crap when they see it or in this case hear it! You can pour honey over shit: But it is still shit none the less! Lets hope Bob, Jack and Dan vanish as quickly as cheap gasoline. Let us hope that in Baltimore, the reactions and results will be the same!
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RE: "jack" Radio Sucks And The Ratings Show It!

Wed Aug 24, 2005 10:26 am

JACK-FM is here in Nashville too - they just switched formats a few months ago. Actually it cracks me up because it took over the oldies station and every once and a while, they'll play recordings of these IRATE people who can't find their oldies and don't realize that they are being made fun of!

The music sucks though....Garth Brooks one minute and Lords of Acid the next!  rotfl 
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RE: "jack" Radio Sucks And The Ratings Show It!

Wed Aug 24, 2005 11:11 am

Opie and Anthony did a great bit recording the crazy protestors outside the CBS-FM studio. You can find it at foundrymusic.com

They were talking about how it was Un-American and how it will make their lives harder without CBS-FM being on.

Commercial radio is dying. Go XM satellite radio!
 
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RE: "jack" Radio Sucks And The Ratings Show It!

Wed Aug 24, 2005 12:02 pm

The conversion of one of the leading 'oldies' stations in the USA in NYC to this Jack(shi#) format was absolutly terrible. Problem is all the owners of radio stations only want the 15-35 crowd, who don't even listen to radio anymore, preferring to listen to bootleg recordings on their computers, MP3 players and I-Pods and not get a 20 minutes of commercials or babble per hour. I hope they fail miserably.
 
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RE: "jack" Radio Sucks And The Ratings Show It!

Wed Aug 24, 2005 1:23 pm

I'll take Jack-FM in Seattle anyday. It's better with it's 2 minutes of commercials every so often, and no incesant babling from DJ's, who think they are funny because a few idiots tell them they are.
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RE: "jack" Radio Sucks And The Ratings Show It!

Wed Aug 24, 2005 1:34 pm

We've got JACK in Victoria and Vancouver. While it's grown in popularity in Vancouver, it's ratings have been awful compared to its predecessor HOT103 - a chart music teen station. And I hate JACK too!
 
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RE: "jack" Radio Sucks And The Ratings Show It!

Wed Aug 24, 2005 2:18 pm

Y(J)ACK-FM took over for Los Angeles area legend Arrow 93.1 (KCBS-FM) last year and has made me ill ever since.
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RE: "jack" Radio Sucks And The Ratings Show It!

Wed Aug 24, 2005 11:28 pm

We have JackFM in Toronto, and we can also pick up the Buffalo station. It's an altenative really. It's not bad for listening to some stuff that is otherwise overplayed elsewhere. Here in Toronto at least, you can get some pretty good sets of music, but there are also a lot of crappy ones too.

My biggest pet peeve with JackFM is that they cut short the songs, even ones that have memorable endings. It's like they used a computer to cut 5 or 10 seconds from the tail end of a song without having anybody actually check to see how it sounds!
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RE: "jack" Radio Sucks And The Ratings Show It!

Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:54 am

We don't have Jack-FM in Portland, but we have his brother, Charlie FM. They play everything from Beach Boys to Beastie Boys. Blech. I bought Sirius Radio for a reason. (Area 63 RULES!!!) When I do listen to the radio, I listen to Progressive Talk or 94.7 Alternative Portland. I lived through the 1980s and 1990s once. Why would I want to do it again?

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Matt D
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RE: "jack" Radio Sucks And The Ratings Show It!

Thu Aug 25, 2005 4:19 am

I too mourned the loss of Arrow 93 FM. They turned into that "Jack" format.

I have mixed feelings on them.

On one hand, I do like their well rounded and eclectic format which apparently means that I am not alone in my musical tastes or utter disdain for the last decades or so offering of "Top 40" material.

But on the flip side, their actual presentation is what really stinks: their self-promotion is really sloppy and obnoxious. They have a habit of coming out of commercial and starting a song. They let it play for about 30 seconds, then they play a dozen 10 second snippets from other songs all spliced together before actually playing a whole song. It's that whole "gotcha" format, and to me, is really annoying as hell.

I think that Jack really does have some untapped potential. But it's their attitude and presentation that needs to be cleaned up. Not their choice of material, of which I like about 75%, far higher than even the defunct Arrow was able to achieve.

Now speaking of annoying radio, it would be difficult to top the LA "News" station, KFWB AM 980.

I used to listen to them quite frequently. But that's another station that's gone down the tubes. First, their number of commercials is simply out of control. They need to either stop being so damn greedy, or start upping their rates. They average about 9 minutes of commercial for every 20 minutes of airtime. And it's all staggered out: they'll do a couple of commercials. Then one or two news story summaries. Then a couple more commercials. Then another story or two. Then commercials. And so on.

And as if that weren't bad enough, 80% of their commercials seem to be of the "Home Mortgage/Loans" variety.

Blah.

Now to add insult to injury, KFWB is another station that seems to be suffering from an identity crisis: are they a news station? Or a sports station.

Either one by itself is OK. But they are trying to be both. And frankly, it stinks. Bad. Not only do you have to listen through commercial after commercial, but half the time, you don't even know if they're broadcasting news, or a Dodgers game.

And as if that STILLM weren't bad enough, someone needs to tell their traffic reports manager that there are a lot more freeways in LA than just the 101, the Santa Monica, and the Golden State.

Because those seem to prettu much be the only freeways they'll report on. There can be a sixteen car fatality on the 91 in Corona, causing a 6 hour backup all the way back to Long Beach, but they won't report it. Instead, they'll tell you that the 101 through North Hollywood is "wide open".

And that's even assuming they're reporting traffic. Like I said. Half the time, they aren't. They're broadcasting a Dodgers game.

Needless to say, KFWB has been 86'd from my radio dial.

Too much commercials. Too unreliable availability. And very limited coverage.

[Edited 2005-08-24 21:20:40]
 
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RE: "jack" Radio Sucks And The Ratings Show It!

Thu Aug 25, 2005 4:47 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 6):
Y(J)ACK-FM took over for Los Angeles area legend Arrow 93.1 (KCBS-FM) last year and has made me ill ever since.

I'm glad Arrow is gone.Arrow was like a top 40 format, "classic music"
station were they were very predictable and got very boring
to listen to. And at times they would condensed and edit music like
"Smoke On The Water" and Frampton's "Do you feel".
Way to much Queen and Elton John,as well.I like those artists and no
political statement here,but it was overkill play.

Quoting Matt D (Reply 9):
LA "News" station, KFWB AM 980.



Quoting Matt D (Reply 9):
Now to add insult to injury, KFWB is another station that seems to be suffering from an identity crisis: are they a news station? Or a sports station.

That's what happens when CBS owns both stations.
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RE: "jack" Radio Sucks And The Ratings Show It!

Thu Aug 25, 2005 6:43 am

It is probably just a sign of the times. Corporate giants like ClearChannel are buying up every station on the planet, and messing with what was more or less working. If the same company owns every station in a market, they can't all be number 1, but it seems like they are always shooting for that goal. I hate when a station changes formats every 3 months, like some seem to. It takes me about 3 months to decide I like a station enough to load it into my presets. This is why I have sat radio, I am sick of the games on the broadcast stuff.

It seems without fail, no matter where I go in the country, I get the same syndicated talk bullshit, or the same music playlist. Variety is a good thing people. Not every market in the world needs to hear the same things. Some of us liked our local talent, before ClearChannel bought the station and fired them, or put them on some glorified walkie-talkie in someplace nobody cares about, like Anchorage.
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RE: "jack" Radio Sucks And The Ratings Show It!

Thu Aug 25, 2005 7:08 am

Quoting Matt D (Reply 9):
Now speaking of annoying radio, it would be difficult to top the LA "News" station, KFWB AM 980.

I also miss the identification "KFWB News 98" as opposed to that crap "News 980". Also, whatever happened to "you give us 22 minutes and we'll give you the world"?

Quoting Psa53 (Reply 10):
Arrow was like a top 40 format, "classic music"
station were they were very predictable and got very boring

Not at all. Arrow played a great variety of classic rock that would often pull things out you had not heard in years

Quoting Psa53 (Reply 10):
That's what happens when CBS owns both stations.

I take it you mean KNX 1070 and KFWB 98(0), which are both owned by Infinity Radio, a subsidiary of Viacom, which is the parent of CBS
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PSA53
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RE: "jack" Radio Sucks And The Ratings Show It!

Thu Aug 25, 2005 8:00 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 12):
Arrow played a great variety of classic rock that would often pull things out you had not heard in years

Maybe a weekend night,when the format was a lot more open.But daytime,
very tight and some songs edited.KLOS(ABC) still is the best.I guess my tastes are more classic hard rock then the 3 minute song.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 12):
I take it you mean KNX 1070 an KFWB 98(0),

That's correct.They both moved out of their Hollywood studios in favor
of the Miracle Mile.
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Matt D
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RE: "jack" Radio Sucks And The Ratings Show It!

Thu Aug 25, 2005 8:02 am

I am proud to say that I have a reel to reel air check (off the air recording) of the Fleetwood Mac concert that Arrow broadcasted live, commercial free 7/17/2003. I caught the introduction with Uncle Joe announcing "Arrow 93 FM".
 
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RE: "jack" Radio Sucks And The Ratings Show It!

Thu Aug 25, 2005 9:15 am

Jack is one of the many "crappy" radio stations in Seattle. Ugh, it makes me sick to have all these crappy radio stations!

-Jack tops my list of BAD stations!
-Clear channel is just another evil company just trying to be very strict to the FCC standards.
-I hate it how stations like Star 101.5 and Mix 92.5 are starting to put more crap that should be left to other stations!
-Now, stations like KISS 106.1 really make me sick. All they seem to play is a few (c)rap songs, Kelly Clarkson, and The Killers. How boring is that?

Quoting Captoveur (Reply 11):
Variety is a good thing people. Not every market in the world needs to hear the same things. Some of us liked our local talent

And that's why I rarely,if at all listen to the radio!
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RE: "jack" Radio Sucks And The Ratings Show It!

Thu Aug 25, 2005 9:26 am

In New York City, the oldies station WCBS-FM 101.1 while it ranked in the top ten stations in the New York City market, the average age of the listener was over 50 years old.

The owners say that with the new Jack format, they are targeting a much younger age group, which they feel that even with lower ratings, the ad revenues will be higher because ad rates are based on a lot of things including the average age of the listener. Younger people tend to spend more money than the older age group, so that is the market they are after.

Time will tell if they are right or wrong.
 
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RE: "jack" Radio Sucks And The Ratings Show It!

Thu Aug 25, 2005 11:31 am

JackFM (92.5 here in Toronto) isn't that bad actually, but it's not a station you can listen to all day. It's definitely worth periodically tuning in.

I notice that Jack - Toronto plays an awful lot of "MEN WITHOUT HATS". I've actually started to call it the "Safety Dance" station.

Has anyone else noticed that?
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RE: "jack" Radio Sucks And The Ratings Show It!

Thu Aug 25, 2005 11:36 am

Quoting Matt D (Reply 9):
Now speaking of annoying radio, it would be difficult to top the LA "News" station, KFWB AM 980.

That's why I listen to KNX. Much more interesting. Except I like listening to Vin Scully for the Dodger games.

To the original topic: Infinity & Clear Channel are slowly killing over-air radio. Give me my iPod and my XM, and I pretty much am set. I don't even listen to FM radio any more.
 
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RE: "jack" Radio Sucks And The Ratings Show It!

Thu Aug 25, 2005 1:29 pm

The NYC Jack FM sucks. My mom listened to the CBSFM one, and that was the only one she listened to, and now this Jack FM, while it is on every Long Island Bus ad out there (literally) I don't like it. They say they play what they want. It doesn't sounds great from that. I hate stations that play oldies then a new hit and then a 3 year old song then then back to an oldie. Stupid

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