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I'm Not Sure If I Do "Support The Troops"

Sat Aug 27, 2005 11:37 am

A few thoughts, from a libertarian perspective:

1. The voting majority of the American public is pro-intervention with regards to the rest of the world. I am not. Most Americans think that both WWI and WWII were justified, and that the Vietnam War, while a loss, was at least a noble effort. I do not. However, the pool of people from which the military draws it's soldiers do believe in these things. I doubt there are few libertarians in the military, and if they are, they're probably either in the Border Patrol or the Coast Guard.

Is it entirely correct to say that the military's administration is bad, tending towards totalitarianism, while the individual troops are all noble heroes who do no (or at least, not much) wrong? I think not.

2. Today's American military is an all-volunteer force. There is no excuse of the draft, anymore.

3. Despite the political newspeak that we have a Department of D-E-F-E-N-S-E, instead of the past, yet more accurate title, Department of War, the American military is not used for it's proper defensive role, as explicitly spelled out in the Constitution. It should be obvious to everyone that America requires no more than the state militias to protect the country. We have NEVER been under serious threat of invasion since 1812, when the British were ably repelled, both by the army and the militias. Men and women who join the military are the world's biggest fools if they do not understand and accept that they will be used by politicians to fight offensive wars and actions against other nations. They have nothing to hide behind: the standing military exists to serve the whims of the politicians, typically in horribly unjust ways.

4. Soldiers know what they're signing up for: to kill and be killed for the state. Thus, very few libertarians sign up for the military. Soldiers are taught to kill other human beings, all in the name and at the instigation of the number one entity in their world, the state. That's not to say that I don't feel sympathy for soldiers who don't want to be in Iraq, who correctly recognize that our continuing presence as imperialisitic aggressors there creates more problems than it solves, and yet don't want to be stigmatized for standing up for their beliefs. I have the utmost respect for men like Kevin Benderman, who will be serving time in prison for not disobeying his conscience.

5. The military is not a public works project. Many people join to get nice $20,000 signing bonuses, or hold out for the GI Bill to pay for their college educations, or join for other fiscal reasons (maybe they couldn't get into a decent university). There's nothing wrong with that, but why does that automatically make you a hero for serving your own fiscal interest? There is a difference between what the Tennessee Valley Authority does and what the US Army does.

6. Is war just one big, insane disaster, thus excusing individual troops? They say that psychopaths are the ones least likely to be mentally damaged from war. Personally, I find that unsurprising. The soldiers will have to live with themselves, and answer to their Creator when they do, as to what people they killed, maimed, or injured. Bush may've ordered this horrible war, but individual troops are the ones who make it possible.

7. My personal opinion is this: I do not consider every man or woman that has ever served the state as a policeman, firefighter, or soldier, to automatically be a hero. That is a gross misuse by politicians and nationalistic Americans of a noble word. It seems to me that most soldiers are giving their tacit consent by continuing to prosecute the war for the politicians. Undoubtedly, there are many soldiers who like war, who like the rush that you get from combat, from killing people in a kill-or-be-killed situation.

Honestly, I do not support the troops, or the modern American military, because it is an imperial military that serves the American Empire. I resolutely reject American Imperialism, and pine for the country that our founding fathers actually founded. I despise the perverted notion that America should rule the world, that we're infallible, that whatever war we fight in is just, or whoever our policies kill deserves it. I am friends with soldiers (some of my fraternity brothers are in the military), and have a long line of military men and women in my family, dating back to the Revolutionary War and the War Between the States (on my mother's side, the North Carolina/Mississippi side), the only two just wars that America has ever fought.

I hail Kevin Benderman as a hero, for standing up against immense pressure for what he believes in. I hail Cindy Sheehan, a true heroine, for demanding answers to the lies that Bush has betrayed the American public with.

And I lament the sad state of American morals, brought about by collectivist state education, television, and overgrown, meddling government.



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RE: I'm Not Sure If I Do "Support The Troops"

Sat Aug 27, 2005 11:41 am

Will it EVER fucking END with you MD-90???
Why can't you diferentiate our troops from the turd burglars in Washington??
I abhor this administration as much as you do, but I don't make myself look like an ASS over and over and over again stating my views. Get off the crockwell site, your are dropping whatever IQ points you MIGHT have had.
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RE: I'm Not Sure If I Do "Support The Troops"

Sat Aug 27, 2005 11:44 am

I'm english living in Canada...don't get me started about oil, the need for war and a good presidency etc etc.......it's happening, american soldiers are dying left right and centre and if that's what the president wants (or doesn't want) then he's getting it. We can't do a bloody thing to stop it, america voted BUSH back in for another term and you have to live with it. How long till the draft is reinstated??
good luck, god bless........you'll need it

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RE: I'm Not Sure If I Do "Support The Troops"

Sat Aug 27, 2005 11:48 am

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 1):

Shouldn't Turd Burglars be capitalized? LOL  Big grin
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RE: I'm Not Sure If I Do "Support The Troops"

Sat Aug 27, 2005 11:52 am

Quoting 11Bravo (Reply 3):

Shouldn't Turd Burglars be capitalized? LOL Big grin

From a literary point of view, I'm sure your right... from a LITERAL point of view I'd like to see these morons face Capitol Punnishment.
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RE: I'm Not Sure If I Do "Support The Troops"

Sat Aug 27, 2005 11:59 am

Quoting MD-90 (Thread starter):
A few thoughts, from a libertarian perspective

Noooooooo . . . a few thoughts from MD-90s perspective . . .

Quoting MD-90 (Thread starter):
Most Americans think that both WWI and WWII were justified, and that the Vietnam War, while a loss, was at least a noble effort. I do not.

Surprise, surprise, surprise . . . .   

Quoting MD-90 (Thread starter):
2. Today's American military is an all-volunteer force. There is no excuse of the draft, anymore.

You've made no point here . . . just a statment. What the frickin' point?

Quoting MD-90 (Thread starter):
We have NEVER been under serious threat of invasion since 1812, when the British were ably repelled, both by the army and the militias.

Bwaaa Haaa Haaa . . . let me see here . . . Attu, Kiska, Alaska 1942. Midway 1942. Hawaii and the West Coast 1941-1943.

Quoting MD-90 (Thread starter):
Soldiers know what they're signing up for: to kill and be killed for the state.

. . . to kill or be killed in defense of this country, it's ideals and it's people. Which, unfortunately, includes you. . . .

Quoting MD-90 (Thread starter):
utmost respect for men like Kevin Benderman

I notice you no longer call this cowardly deserter SERGEANT Benderman. Prisoners have no rank. He's a deserter. He's a coward. Period.

Quoting MD-90 (Thread starter):
Many people join to get nice $20,000 signing bonuses, or hold out for the GI Bill to pay for their college educations, or join for other fiscal reasons (maybe they couldn't get into a decent university).

Just as many join out of tradition, out of patriotism, because it's what they want to do. I'm a perfect example . . . I did because I always knew I would . . . always wanted to be a soldier . . . had no other aspirations . . . had to grades for college, got my degrees, but served the country every minute of that time.

Quoting MD-90 (Thread starter):
They say that psychopaths are the ones least likely to be mentally damaged from war. Personally, I find that unsurprising.

I guess that makes me one physcopathis SOB then.

Quoting MD-90 (Thread starter):
I do not consider every man or woman that has ever served the state as a policeman, firefighter, or soldier, to automatically be a hero.

Neither do I. But nonetheless, they deserve collectively to have our support.

Quoting MD-90 (Thread starter):
Undoubtedly, there are many soldiers who like war, who like the rush that you get from combat, from killing people in a kill-or-be-killed situation.

Please, point out that person to me. After twenty-four years in the Army and a few incoming rounds in South America, and Iraq, I have yet to find one soldier that LIKES war! One that revels in the death of his comrades or the enemy.

Quoting MD-90 (Thread starter):
Honestly, I do not support the troops, or the modern American military, because it is an imperial military that serves the American Empire.

And I expected nothing less from you or that complete fucktard Lew Fuckwell. He's brainwashed you to the likes I can't even imagine. Please, lets see if you have the balls to actually say this anywhere near an American GI . . . male or female . . . let me see you walk up to the recruiter in your town and tell him/her waht you just posted. When you are finally able to focus again, I'd suggest you crawl back under whatever frickin' rock you and Lew Fuckwell hatched from and stay there. . . . take PacificJourney with you.

Quoting MD-90 (Thread starter):
I am friends with soldiers (some of my fraternity brothers are in the military),

Bet you haven't sent this to them . . .

Quoting MD-90 (Thread starter):
have a long line of military men and women in my family, dating back to the Revolutionary War and the War Between the States (on my mother's side, the North Carolina/Mississippi side),

And you haven't been disowned yet? Especially in that part of the country? You must not have mentioned this to your family either . . . spineless.

Quoting MD-90 (Thread starter):
Revolutionary War and the War Between the States (on my mother's side, the North Carolina/Mississippi side), the only two just wars that America has ever fought.

    

Quoting MD-90 (Thread starter):
I hail Kevin Benderman as a hero

Deserter, Coward, PRISONER!!! Loser.

Quoting MD-90 (Thread starter):
And I lament the sad state of American morals, brought about by collectivist state education, television, and overgrown, meddling government.

You may clear outbound customs when you're ready. . . no one is holding you here . . . adios

Edit: Let me add Hypocrite to this . . . aren't you currently going to a STATE University/College in Mississippi???? Just wondering . . . does that fall under your Collectivist State Education umbrella? Doesn't that make you a hypocrite????  yes 

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RE: I'm Not Sure If I Do "Support The Troops"

Sat Aug 27, 2005 12:01 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 5):

You may clear outbound customs when you're ready. . . no one is holding you here . . . adios

Best point I think you have EVER made!! Just wondering why you wasted all that time to get to this? I know you know I know you know better  Wink
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RE: I'm Not Sure If I Do "Support The Troops"

Sat Aug 27, 2005 12:21 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 5):
Quoting MD-90 (Thread starter):
A few thoughts, from a libertarian perspective

Noooooooo . . . a few thoughts from MD-90s perspective . . .

You have no perspective of your own. Try learning from something other than Lew Rockwell......You want a Libertarian point of view try Boortz...

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 5):
Quoting MD-90 (Thread starter):
I hail Kevin Benderman as a hero

Deserter, Coward, PRISONER!!! Loser.

Benderman is a punk deserter with zero honor, and less self-respect.
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RE: I'm Not Sure If I Do "Support The Troops"

Sat Aug 27, 2005 12:40 pm

Quoting MD-90 (Thread starter):
Most Americans think that both WWI and WWII were justified

What was unjustified about the US's involvement in WWI or II? Both times, we were attacked. When attacked, you defend. What is the problem you have with that?

Quoting MD-90 (Thread starter):
3. Despite the political newspeak that we have a Department of D-E-F-E-N-S-E, instead of the past, yet more accurate title, Department of War

That's because, after WWII, the Military was reorganized. At the time, you had the Secretary of War and the Secretary of the Navy; The Army included the Army Air Corps. After the war, the entire structure was brought under the Department of Defense, and the Air Corps was made it's own branch.

There's nothing wrong, nor hypocritical with the DOD being called the DOD, dude. Nothing at all. It was, basically, house-cleaning after a war, to make the military more effective.

Quoting MD-90 (Thread starter):
There's nothing wrong with that, but why does that automatically make you a hero for serving your own fiscal interest?

Usually, it doesn't serve your fiscal interest, as jobs in the private sector far outpay those in the military.

Quoting MD-90 (Thread starter):
7. My personal opinion is this: I do not consider every man or woman that has ever served the state as a policeman, firefighter, or soldier, to automatically be a hero.

Agree, but most serve with honor, and for that, we should honor their service to the country.

Quoting MD-90 (Thread starter):
Honestly, I do not support the troops, or the modern American military, because it is an imperial military that serves the American Empire.

American Empire? Since when? Look at our history-we are not an imperialistic nation, MD-90. We don't annex other nations after the fighting stops; we've won wars that involved Cuba; The Philippines; Germany; Japan. And defeated either that nation or a nation that controlled those places, and never once have we tried to make them a part of the U.S. We've let them find their own destiny, not have us dictate to them, in the tradtion of the old British Empire; the French Empire; the USSR, Nazi Germany, etc. Those were imperialistic nations, at the height of their power. We have never been.

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 1):
Will it EVER fucking END with you MD-90???

Apparently not. Remember when this guy was conservative? What happened to this person?

Again, unlike some people, I do not have a problem saying I do support our troops, but not the political decision to send them to war. I'm certainly not going to root against my own countrymen who are fighting overseas, that's for sure, even when decrying the president's decision to send them there.
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RE: I'm Not Sure If I Do "Support The Troops"

Sat Aug 27, 2005 12:43 pm

MD-90, it's very obvious that you don't support the troops

Quoting MD-90 (Thread starter):
1. The voting majority of the American public is pro-intervention with regards to the rest of the world. I am not. Most Americans think that both WWI and WWII were justified, and that the Vietnam War, while a loss, was at least a noble effort. I do not. However, the pool of people from which the military draws it's soldiers do believe in these things. I doubt there are few libertarians in the military, and if they are, they're probably either in the Border Patrol or the Coast Guard.

MD-90, this has to be the most outrageous ever written here. Drawing comparisans between government agencies. You miss the point of defense entirely.

Quoting MD-90 (Thread starter):
2. Today's American military is an all-volunteer force. There is no excuse of the draft, anymore.

Yes waiter, i'd like to order "A point" please, with a side of "intellegence".

Quoting MD-90 (Thread starter):
3. Despite the political newspeak that we have a Department of D-E-F-E-N-S-E, instead of the past, yet more accurate title, Department of War.

It used to be called the War Department before the 1950's.

Quoting MD-90 (Thread starter):
, the American military is not used for it's proper defensive role, as explicitly spelled out in the Constitution. It should be obvious to everyone that America requires no more than the state militias to protect the country. We have NEVER been under serious threat of invasion since 1812, when the British were ably repelled, both by the army and the militias. Men and women who join the military are the world's biggest fools if they do not understand and accept that they will be used by politicians to fight offensive wars and actions against other nations. They have nothing to hide behind: the standing military exists to serve the whims of the politicians, typically in horribly unjust ways.

MD-90, you don't have the slightest clue why people join the US military. There is no intellegent, deeply rooted answer to why people join the military, they just do, and thank god they do, because you wouldn't have place to go to write such crap like this

Quoting MD-90 (Thread starter):
I have the utmost respect for men like Kevin Benderman, who will be serving time in prison for not disobeying his conscience.

What Kevin doesn't understand, is that no one qualifies for CO status when there is no draft. That's the most important piece missing in his cowardly excuse.

Quoting MD-90 (Thread starter):
7. My personal opinion is this: I do not consider every man or woman that has ever served the state as a policeman, firefighter, or soldier, to automatically be a hero. That is a gross misuse by politicians and nationalistic Americans of a noble word. It seems to me that most soldiers are giving their tacit consent by continuing to prosecute the war for the politicians. Undoubtedly, there are many soldiers who like war, who like the rush that you get from combat, from killing people in a kill-or-be-killed situation.

Not every is. Heroism is earned by risking your life in the defense of others. But in anycase, they're definately more heroic than you'll ever be. Your entire post is just a pathetic manifesto to make yourself feel better. It's these so-called inadvertant hero's sacrifices that give you the chance to spew this pig's garbage.

Quoting MD-90 (Thread starter):
I hail Kevin Benderman as a hero, for standing up against immense pressure for what he believes in. I hail Cindy Sheehan, a true heroine, for demanding answers to the lies that Bush has betrayed the American public with.

Hailing these 2 clowns only cements your disdain for people who work for the government.

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RE: I'm Not Sure If I Do "Support The Troops"

Sat Aug 27, 2005 12:55 pm

Quoting MD-90 (Thread starter):
I doubt there are few libertarians in the military, and if they are, they're probably either in the Border Patrol or the Coast Guard.

Two mistakes already, and you're not even out of the first paragraph. First of all, the Border Patrol is not now, nor has it ever been, part of the US Armed Forces. You make that kind of error, how are we supposed to take seriously anything else you say? Second of all, there are lots of libertarians in the military. I know, because I spent 20 years on active duty, and served with many colleagues who were open libertarians.

Quoting MD-90 (Thread starter):
Is it entirely correct to say that the military's administration is bad, tending towards totalitarianism, while the individual troops are all noble heroes who do no (or at least, not much) wrong?

The military isn't administered, it is led. So if you are going to criticize the leadership for being totalitarian, get your terminology correct. Next, leadership isn't found at the top. It is found at every level, from the Chief of the Joint Chiefs of Staff to the junior enlisted person who is a squad leader on the front line.

Quoting MD-90 (Thread starter):
It should be obvious to everyone that America requires no more than the state militias to protect the country. We have NEVER been under serious threat of invasion since 1812, when the British were ably repelled, both by the army and the militias.

I guess the attacks on Pearl Harbor and the Aleutians - and subsequent occupation of Kiska Island never took place, right?

Quoting MD-90 (Thread starter):
That's not to say that I don't feel sympathy for soldiers who don't want to be in Iraq, who correctly recognize that our continuing presence as imperialisitic aggressors there creates more problems than it solves, and yet don't want to be stigmatized for standing up for their beliefs. I have the utmost respect for men like Kevin Benderman, who will be serving time in prison for not disobeying his conscience.

You are free to respect anyone you want, but since no one has been forced to enlist since the mid-1970's, anyone who volunteers and later decides that they are having a crisis of conscience is free to sit in prison for a long time, in my view. I have no sympathy for a person who signs up for a duty that he or she knows might involve the taking of human life, takes a paycheck for months or years, and suddenly decides he/can't do what they took an oath to do. You can admire someone like this, but they disgust me, for they have no integrity whatsoever.

Quoting MD-90 (Thread starter):
It seems to me that most soldiers are giving their tacit consent by continuing to prosecute the war for the politicians.

Again you demonstrate just how little understanding you have of our men and women in uniform.

Lucky for you that you live here, where you are free to hold the misguided opinions that hold - protected by the Constitution that countless soldiers, sailors, marines and airmen have died to protect.

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RE: I'm Not Sure If I Do "Support The Troops"

Sat Aug 27, 2005 1:07 pm

Quoting TPASXM787 (Reply 10):
A few thoughts, from MD-90, brought to you by:

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Brilliant . . .

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 11):
Have a nice day!

Damn Counselor, you're so much nicer than I . . . . I never managed to master that Tact thing . . . .  crazy 
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RE: I'm Not Sure If I Do "Support The Troops"

Sat Aug 27, 2005 1:12 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 12):
Damn Counselor, you're so much nicer than I . . . . I never managed to master that Tact thing . . . .

Well considering he's an attorney, MD-90 could be a future client.
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RE: I'm Not Sure If I Do "Support The Troops"

Sat Aug 27, 2005 1:13 pm

MD-90, any credibility your posts may have go right down the drain as soon as you mention your fellation of Lew Crackwell.
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RE: I'm Not Sure If I Do "Support The Troops"

Sat Aug 27, 2005 1:24 pm

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 8):

What was unjustified about the US's involvement in WWI or II? Both times, we were attacked.

Attacked? We were only attacked by Japan after deliberately trying to cut off their oil supply, and FDR chose not to warn the Navy about the signs of an impending attack, to make it seem more atrocious. Ditto for the shipping that was sunk and used as an excuse to enter WWI, a European war fought for European power that we had no business being in.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 8):
Agree, but most serve with honor, and for that, we should honor their service to the country.

Except that most of them don't wind up doing anything that serves the interests of the country, rather, it serves the interests of the politicians in D.C. Now, if you feel that we should honor their service to the federal government, that's another thing.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 8):
Look at our history-we are not an imperialistic nation, MD-90.

Yeah, only if ignore everything since Lincoln's imperalistic war on the South. Cuba, the Philippines, Korea, Vietnam, Iraqs I and II, a whole slew of South American countries, etc. We're an empire just like the British Empire was or the former Spanish, French, or Dutch empires. Like it or not, it's the truth.


By the way, when I mentioned the Border Patrol, I wasn't just thinking about a group that the Pentagon actually controls.

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RE: I'm Not Sure If I Do "Support The Troops"

Sat Aug 27, 2005 1:28 pm

MD-90, How is it that you have a respect rating greater than zero? I guess you are further proof that the RR means nothing.
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RE: I'm Not Sure If I Do "Support The Troops"

Sat Aug 27, 2005 1:33 pm

No response to my post MD90 - what's the problem? No gut for debate on this topic?

I want to know . . . have you told your supposed military friends how you feel?

I want to know . . . have you told your friends and familily? Your supposed military family? Did I miss something earlier, are you not from Madison County Alabama . . . home to Redstone Arsenal and a host of hundreds, possibly, thousands of retirees?

I want to know . . . do you have the gut to present these arguments in person to someone with a combat patch on their right shoulder?

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RE: I'm Not Sure If I Do "Support The Troops"

Sat Aug 27, 2005 1:50 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 12):
Quoting Halls120 (Reply 11):
Have a nice day!

Damn Counselor, you're so much nicer than I . . . . I never managed to master that Tact

I just can't understand how stupid he could be to lump the border patrol in with the armed forces.

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 13):
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 12):
Damn Counselor, you're so much nicer than I . . . . I never managed to master that Tact thing . . . .

Well considering he's an attorney, MD-90 could be a future client.

Not that I'm a defense counsel any longer (thank goodness), but defending MD-90 might not be all that difficult. I see temporary insanity or diminished capacity as viable options.... Wink
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RE: I'm Not Sure If I Do "Support The Troops"

Sat Aug 27, 2005 1:54 pm

Limestone County, actually. And yes, there are a lot of Army people in Huntsville, as I'm sure you well know.

And, unless I feel like it, I only debate with people who know how to be polite,

I'm not surprised to read the vile and foul reactions from people who don't seem to make the connection that a country is more than it's government and its agents!



I don't mean to be disrespectful to anyone (my relatives have been involved in this country's wars since they first got here in 1760), but I don't accept the trite ideas that every soldier is a hero merely for serving the state, that if you don't "support the troops," you're automatically a social outcast (how DARE you go against our dogma?), or that we should consider ourselves blessed that we have an enormously expensive military that doesn't protect this nation, but instead makes us less secure by invading foreign countries and antagonizing people that we have no right to mess with.
 
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RE: I'm Not Sure If I Do "Support The Troops"

Sat Aug 27, 2005 2:01 pm

I did not read your in put but this is going by the title of the thread

No one really cares if you support them or not they dont have much of a choice of being there or home

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RE: I'm Not Sure If I Do "Support The Troops"

Sat Aug 27, 2005 2:07 pm

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 19):
I don't mean to be disrespectful to anyone



As for this thread and MD-90's POV, it's just the same old shit, therefore:



(sorry ANC, but this thread needed it from the very beginning  Smile)




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RE: I'm Not Sure If I Do "Support The Troops"

Sat Aug 27, 2005 2:20 pm

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 19):
Limestone County, actually. And yes, there are a lot of Army people in Huntsville, as I'm sure you well know.And, unless I feel like it, I only debate with people who know how to be polite,

Oh, I definitely know.

Oh, sorry, missed it by one county west . . . then comes Lauderdale County. I know the area, very, very well.

OK, so go spout this horseshit in Limestone County, Lauderdale County, Madison County . . . or for that matter, Jeff County, Walker County, Tuscaloosa County, Cullman County, Fayette County . . . should I keep going. I know the end result. Internet tough guy that's your new handle. . . cause you KNOW the results of spewing this shit around those parts. And so do I . . .

Stop by my Aunt's place in Florence, mention this - when her right cross meets your jaw, don't be a bit surprised.

And please go see an old and dear friend in Lester, Al . . . if you get out of Tom's driveway without an ass full of Buckshot I'll be surprised.

My Mom is available in Berry, but perhaps that's not a good call . . . as most of the rest of my family is in that general grid square . . . . and they don't take kindly to people with your thought process . . .

I do have an Uncle on B'Ham however, who is open to discussion . . . for about 3.5 seconds.

Cousin Calvin in Cullman would probably buy you a beer or three . . . but as soon as you opened your mouth, you'd be in trouble.

Go stand in front of Redstone with a picket sign, when some hillbilly in his Chevy "accidentally" misses the exit onto I-565 and you become a grease spot, don't say I didn't warn you . . .

On second thought, you'd better stay in Mississippi . . . . .

Like I said, no intestinal fortitude. . . .
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RE: I'm Not Sure If I Do "Support The Troops"

Sat Aug 27, 2005 2:29 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 22):
. . . and they don't take kindly to people with your thought process . . .

No, generally around there they've drunk the statist kool-aid all their lives and they (nor you, apparently) cannot imagine anything different.


I've thought about it a bit, and I suppose you could separate respect and support. I genuinely do respect most all of the military for the difficult things they do, but that doesn't necessarily I support the military itself, given what it's effectual mission has been these last few decades or 15.

The US Armed Forces do not exist to defend the USA. They exist to project power to other countries, as befits the imperial military.
 
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RE: I'm Not Sure If I Do "Support The Troops"

Sat Aug 27, 2005 2:29 pm

MD-90, why don't you move? Hell, I'll pack your bags!
 
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RE: I'm Not Sure If I Do "Support The Troops"

Sat Aug 27, 2005 2:40 pm

Quoting Jalto27R (Reply 24):
MD-90, why don't you move? Hell, I'll pack your bags!

I'd sure as hell be happy to help.




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RE: I'm Not Sure If I Do "Support The Troops"

Sat Aug 27, 2005 2:44 pm

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 23):
I've thought about it a bit, and I suppose you could separate respect and support. I genuinely do respect most all of the military for the difficult things they do, but that doesn't necessarily I support the military itself, given what it's effectual mission has been these last few decades or 15.

Well, you almost redeemed yourself . . . Back-peddling like a Duck coming into Decoys . . . . "whhhoaaaa, shit . . . . incommmmminnnnnggg!!!"

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 23):
I genuinely do respect most all of the military for the difficult things they do,

Perhaps if your Thread Title had been something similar to this, and of course, you'd left out the LewFuckwell.com bullshit link, people MIGHT take your opinions with some semblance of interest and formulate a response that doesn't include ripping your head off and crapping down your neck.

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 23):
The US Armed Forces do not exist to defend the USA. They exist to project power to other countries, as befits the imperial military.

And just as quickly you fly back into AAA . . . .

I don't get it . . . . I'm not stupid, naive' nor uninformed, I just don't get it.
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RE: I'm Not Sure If I Do "Support The Troops"

Sat Aug 27, 2005 2:44 pm

Ted....you summed it up nicely in your response (reply #1), well, as nice as you can and in your own style, of course. I agree with your position and Skysurfer's position on the topic.


ANC, with all due respect as I'm behind you, well, a good portion of the time, you made more progress with reply #5 than you did in reply #22.
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RE: I'm Not Sure If I Do "Support The Troops"

Sat Aug 27, 2005 2:46 pm

Quoting Jalto27R (Reply 24):
No, generally around there they've drunk the statist kool-aid all their lives and they (nor you, apparently) cannot imagine anything different.

So none of them can really think for themselves then?

You are truely incredible, I mean, you really think you know it all, don't you?

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 19):
I don't mean to be disrespectful to anyone

As I noted before, indeed, that's a total crock of shit.




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RE: I'm Not Sure If I Do "Support The Troops"

Sat Aug 27, 2005 2:53 pm

I like you MD-90, but this might best have been one of those "inner voice" moments.
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RE: I'm Not Sure If I Do "Support The Troops"

Sat Aug 27, 2005 2:55 pm

The first thing thing that popped into my head when I saw this thread title in the forum was Robin Williams. He said, "The magnet says 'I support the troops,' but your SUV says 'Gotcha!'" Ah, I loved that show, but it's completely irrelevant, I know.
 
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RE: I'm Not Sure If I Do "Support The Troops"

Sat Aug 27, 2005 3:00 pm

Quoting STLGph (Reply 27):
ANC, with all due respect as I'm behind you, well, a good portion of the time, you made more progress with reply #5 than you did in reply #22.

I concur, my intent was to simply show an example of a lack of intestinal fortitude on MD-90s part, nothing more. The fact that a he (and some other A-Nutters) will be more than willing to spout off at will anything that comes to mind on the net, but haven't the gut to actually exercise their beliefs and opinions in life off line.

I appreciate your critique . . . helps keep me in perspective as well . . .  Smile

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RE: I'm Not Sure If I Do "Support The Troops"

Sat Aug 27, 2005 3:24 pm

Quoting MD-90 (Thread starter):
Is it entirely correct to say that the military's administration is bad, tending towards totalitarianism, while the individual troops are all noble heroes who do no (or at least, not much) wrong? I think not.

Noble hero's? Abu graib.. And all that shit proved that wrong. The american army is built on those who have no other choice of doing anything remotely responsible in their lives.

*white and dark trash*

Pretty simple. Using the tosser part of the USA's population as gun / war fodder in the USA's scramble to secure energy security for the multicorporates bottom lines.

You guys have been gipped big time.

And it hasn't even worked.

beep beep the jeep days are numbered..

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RE: I'm Not Sure If I Do "Support The Troops"

Sat Aug 27, 2005 3:31 pm

Quoting JeepBoy (Reply 32):
The american army is built on those who have no other choice of doing anything remotely responsible in their lives.

Who are you, PacificJourney's cousin, brother?

I can't stop laughing at your post long enough to post my  redflag  redflag .

And, JeepBoy, what say you of your Australian brethren in an Australian Uniform? Once again, the same challenge. See if you have the balls to say it eyeball to eyeball . . .

I guess your opinion is to be expected of a "Chairwarmer".

You'd be thankful as hell for a soldier if your ass was in a sling and one came knocking on your door . . . . . .
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RE: I'm Not Sure If I Do "Support The Troops"

Sat Aug 27, 2005 3:32 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 31):
I concur, my intent was to simply show an example of a lack of intestinal fortitude on MD-90s part, nothing more. The fact that a he (and some other A-Nutters) will be more than willing to spout off at will anything that comes to mind on the net, but haven't the gut to actually exercise their beliefs and opinions in life off line.

I know what you mean. You know where I stand and I know where you stand on most things, but I am sure we both know each other that we could sit down and have a few beers and shoot the shit and talk about these things in person.

If ANC wasn't so far away...
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RE: I'm Not Sure If I Do "Support The Troops"

Sat Aug 27, 2005 3:34 pm

Just when I thought the immense ignorance and stupidity produced by the author of this thread could be no greater, along comes reply 32, which has proven to be a viable match.

 Yeah sure




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RE: I'm Not Sure If I Do "Support The Troops"

Sat Aug 27, 2005 3:37 pm

Quoting JeepBoy (Reply 32):
The american army is built on those who have no other choice of doing anything remotely responsible in their lives.

Yea, my cousin is too much of a riff-raff he had to go and join the U.S. Navy. They had him landing planes on boats (I’m told that’s not the easiest thing in the world).
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RE: I'm Not Sure If I Do "Support The Troops"

Sat Aug 27, 2005 3:39 pm

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 36):
U.S. Navy

That's not the Army.
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RE: I'm Not Sure If I Do "Support The Troops"

Sat Aug 27, 2005 3:41 pm

Quoting STLGph (Reply 34):
I know what you mean. You know where I stand and I know where you stand on most things, but I am sure we both know each other that we could sit down and have a few beers and shoot the shit and talk about these things in person.

If ANC wasn't so far away...

I'll by the first round, and likely the second.  biggrin 

How the hell does one get to STL from ANC these days???? We used to get a beautiful red and white TW 757 every day . . . now????

Quoting STLGph (Reply 34):
You know where I stand and I know where you stand on most things, but I am sure we both know each other that we could sit down and have a few beers and shoot the shit and talk about these things in person.

Always my preference . . . I might not like you, but I'll drink beer and talk with you all day long . . . and we'll shake hands and move out later . . .

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 35):
Just when I thought the immense ignorance and stupidity produced by the author of this thread could be no greater, along comes reply 32, which has proven to be a viable match.

Oh, just wait . . . PacificJourney hasn't come out of hibernation to toss his slanderous assault at me (as usual) or the US military in general . . . it ain't over . . . .

He might miss this thread, but I seriously doubt it - not with the title as it reads . . . any chance to slander the US Military he's on it like stink on a skunk.
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RE: I'm Not Sure If I Do "Support The Troops"

Sat Aug 27, 2005 3:42 pm

MD-90...dude, why are you still enjoying all the freedom in the USA? I suggest you pack your bags and move to a more nicer place like North Korea or Saudi Arabia...

Quoting MD-90 (Thread starter):
I hail Cindy Sheehan, a true heroine, for demanding answers to the lies that Bush has betrayed the American public with.



Quoting MD-90 (Thread starter):
Today's American military is an all-volunteer force.

Her son VOLUNTARILY joined the Military, no one forced him to...and in any case how the hell is Bush responsible for her son's death?! She's a total bitch...nothing else. Before all her antics, she was nobody...now she's on every news channel..including CNN and BBC...fucking attention whore. In fact her son must be rolling in his grave at the disgust and hate for his whore mother and the way she has desecrated his memory.

I hope the President continues to ignore the loony bitch - and leave her out there in the sun...
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RE: I'm Not Sure If I Do "Support The Troops"

Sat Aug 27, 2005 3:46 pm

Quoting JeepBoy (Reply 32):
The american army

>>>That's not the Army.

I know that, Mr. Nuts. I take Jeep’s comments to include the entire U.S. Armed Forces – seeing his leisurely, informal way of referring to them.
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RE: I'm Not Sure If I Do "Support The Troops"

Sat Aug 27, 2005 3:46 pm

Quoting Nutless (Reply 38):
That's not the Army.

Correct, the Navy is not the Army.

But look at Jeepy's sentence again:

Quote:
The american army is built on those who have no other choice of doing anything remotely responsible in their lives.

It's a justified guess that he's referring to the entire US Military itself. "American Army," probaby as in "American Armed Forces"

Therefore, stop acting like Gigneil with meaningless one-sentence posts.



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RE: I'm Not Sure If I Do "Support The Troops"

Sat Aug 27, 2005 3:50 pm

Quoting MD-90 (Thread starter):
and have a long line of military men and women in my family, dating back to the Revolutionary War and the War Between the States (on my mother's side, the North Carolina/Mississippi side), the only two just wars that America has ever fought.

Let me share what I know about the current "military men and women". My cousin was born here, in California. His parents are from Mexico and they have lived in the USA for the last three decades. My cousin can't brag of having a "long line of military men and woman in (his) family,dating back to the Revolutionary War and the War Between the States;" yet, when he was pondering about enlisting he was utterly grateful with this nation and the chances it gave to his family; hence, he decided to pay it back serving in the Army. I'm not sure if he supports the war in Iraq, but I can tell you that he is serving with honor, just as the rest of his Army's comrades do.

He may not be aware of your libertarian ideas and how he enlisted to defend his "fiscal interest," but as sure as hell he knows two or three more things about loving the country you were born in.
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RE: I'm Not Sure If I Do "Support The Troops"

Sat Aug 27, 2005 3:50 pm

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 39):
Oh, just wait . . . PacificJourney hasn't come out of hibernation to toss his slanderous assault at me (as usual) or the US military in general . . . it ain't over . . . .

He might miss this thread, but I seriously doubt it - not with the title as it reads . . . any chance to slander the US Military he's on it like stink on a skunk.

Oh yes, good ol Pacificjourney, can't forget him. Unfortunately there are many others.

If they start in on this thread, things will get beyond ridiculous.

Some on this website never cease to amaze me, really.



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RE: I'm Not Sure If I Do "Support The Troops"

Sat Aug 27, 2005 4:00 pm

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 40):
I know that

Thank God.

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 40):
Mr. Nuts

We're Nuts, Nutsy, or Adam.

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 40):
I take Jeep’s comments to include the entire U.S. Armed Forces – seeing his leisurely, informal way of referring to them.

I'd bet the demographics are different between the Army and the Navy - worth pointing out.

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 41):
meaningless one-sentence posts

Think, then you'll see.

Anyway, I have no desire to get involved in this thread. No-one will walk away from here with a good feeling. Maybe now is a good time to let it die?

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RE: I'm Not Sure If I Do "Support The Troops"

Sat Aug 27, 2005 4:01 pm

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 36):
They had him landing planes on boats (I’m told that’s not the easiest thing in the world).

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RE: I'm Not Sure If I Do "Support The Troops"

Sat Aug 27, 2005 4:09 pm

NWA...I did not quote ANCFlyer...guess you used the quote function incorrectly  Smile

Quoting JeepBoy (Reply 32):
The american army is built on those who have no other choice of doing anything remotely responsible in their lives.

*white and dark trash*

JeepBoy...mate, seriously are you high or something? I totally take offence to your stupid statement...my cousin is in the USMC..and is proud to be a part of America's military. And no...he had a LOT of choice of what to do...yet he chose to join the military..

You have no fucking idea what you are talking about...seriously stop posting shit like that.
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RE: I'm Not Sure If I Do "Support The Troops"

Sat Aug 27, 2005 4:12 pm

Quoting Nut (Reply 44):
We're Nuts, Nutsy, or Adam.

No option for nutless, nutboy, nonuts, or just nut?

Come on, don't spoil the fun.

 Sad

Quoting Nut (Reply 44):
Think, then you'll see.

It's past 2am here, I don't feel like thinking. Can't sleep either.




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RE: I'm Not Sure If I Do "Support The Troops"

Sat Aug 27, 2005 4:16 pm

Quoting Jalto27R (Reply 24):
MD-90, why don't you move? Hell, I'll pack your bags!

Because I love the country that's why. Especially the South. But I can't stand the federal government and it's reckless disregard for the Constitution or it's abuse of the military.

Quoting We're Nuts (Reply 29):
I like you MD-90, but this might best have been one of those "inner voice" moments.

Yes, I know. I don't really regret it, but the results are what I expected.



Look, I appreciate ANCFlyer, Falcon84, Jetjack74, Halls120's responses. I could be wrong, or have a poorly reasoned position, or make a few mistakes. I'm open-minded about it. But, with the exception of Falcon84, some of y'all need to learn some manners. They help when you're actually trying to teach someone or convince them that you're right, instead of being a jerk and alienating people.

And for the rest of y'all, didn't your momma teach you that if you couldn't post something constructive and relevant to the thread at hand, then don't post at all?
 
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RE: I'm Not Sure If I Do "Support The Troops"

Sat Aug 27, 2005 4:29 pm

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 47):
No option for nutless, nutboy, nonuts, or just nut?

I never take myself seriously, but I've also been here a really long time, so next time you want to be clever by making a joke about my name, ask yourself: "how many times has this been done?"
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RE: I'm Not Sure If I Do "Support The Troops"

Sat Aug 27, 2005 4:29 pm

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 48):
But I can't stand the federal government and it's reckless disregard for the Constitution or it's abuse of the military.

And therefore you "disrespect" the military in a such a vehement manner? I'm lost for words here. That's rather like getting into an accident at an intersection and blaming a guy that went through there 15 minutes ago?

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 48):
have a poorly reasoned position,

I swear to you, you've gotta get off the LewRockwell.com kick . . .
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