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Doctor Who Told Patient She Is Fat Reprimanded

Sun Aug 28, 2005 10:02 am

From ABC News

Aug. 24, 2005 -- Dr. Terry Bennett believes in being honest with his patients, but one woman was so offended about the way he spoke to her about her weight, she filed a complaint with the state Board of Medicine.

The New Hampshire state attorney general launched an investigation, asked Bennett to take a medical education course and admit he has made a mistake.

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RE: Doctor Who Told Patient She Is Fat Reprimanded

Sun Aug 28, 2005 10:08 am

To borrow a quote from an old co-worker:

Sometimes you gotta call an ugly baby ugly!

What he said might not have been nice, but it was apparently true and if his intention was to help her - I don't see the problem. I sure as hell don't see why the legal system should be involved - if the lady didn't like what he said, she could have just never gone back to him. Once again proof that the legal system is "sue-happy", when will these frivolous lawsuits end?
 
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RE: Doctor Who Told Patient She Is Fat Reprimanded

Sun Aug 28, 2005 10:24 am

Quoting KC135R (Reply 1):
when will these frivolous lawsuits end?

When all the cockaroaches in the world are dead...
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RE: Doctor Who Told Patient She Is Fat Reprimanded

Sun Aug 28, 2005 11:02 am

In retail,we also have to be potilcally correct
and watch what we say.But in this case,there
are serious health problems with obesity.
The doctor did his job.The doctor should sue the hell out
of the Board.

Sometimes I wonder if we are not turning into a dictatorship of
what you can and cannot say.

Lady is a whiner for being told the truth.And I'm sure the
doctor use the same exact words on hundreds of other
patients.Sometimes your a hero.Sometimes your a bum.


                       

[Edited 2005-08-28 04:18:28]
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RE: Doctor Who Told Patient She Is Fat Reprimanded

Sun Aug 28, 2005 11:23 am



Another over sensitive piss ant that can't handle the truth . . .

Another frivilous law suit that should have been thrown out of court . . .

Look lady, if you're a heffer, put down the damn twinkies and do something about it . . . don't blame someone else for telling you the truth - especially if you ASKED for it . . . .
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RE: Doctor Who Told Patient She Is Fat Reprimanded

Sun Aug 28, 2005 11:25 am

What a bitch. As a medical professional, sometimes you have to be honest with your patients. Even if it is being brutally honest. I bet if this doctor didn't say anything about her weight and she later on became unhealthy, she'd have sued him for not telling her she needs to lose weight.
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RE: Doctor Who Told Patient She Is Fat Reprimanded

Sun Aug 28, 2005 11:34 am

I've angered more than one patient by telling them what they didn't want to hear. I hope the board backs off and apologizes to this guy.

Sometimes it is impossible to be perfectly tactful, but yet firm. Most folks already know they are overweight, but many just want to give them more pain pills for their knees, more antidepressants because of their poor self-image, more Prevacid for their reflux, and something for constipation.

The future of medicine in this country is dependent on people taking responsibility for their own health. One of the responsibilities of physicians is to empower them to do this. It is becomes impossible if we ourselves are handcuffed.
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RE: Doctor Who Told Patient She Is Fat Reprimanded

Sun Aug 28, 2005 1:54 pm

Was she shocked to find out she was fat or something?

Most chubby people I know are aware of their weight, being told the obvious by a doctor who is probably telling you to take care of it now, or face consequences later, is anything but cause for filing a complaint.
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RE: Doctor Who Told Patient She Is Fat Reprimanded

Sun Aug 28, 2005 2:23 pm

Quoting KC135R (Reply 1):
Once again proof that the legal system is "sue-happy", when will these frivolous lawsuits end?

&

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 4):
Another frivilous law suit that should have been thrown out of court . . .

I'm sorry, but where is the link that shows that a lawsuit was filed?!

All I could find was "...she filed a complaint with the state Board of Medicine."

Quoting Psa53 (Reply 3):
Sometimes I wonder if we are not turning into a dictatorship of what you can and cannot say.

Well, based on this thread, we know that you can't say your doctor was rude to you. Is that what you mean?

Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 5):
What a bitch.

Way to live up to your own words.
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RE: Doctor Who Told Patient She Is Fat Reprimanded

Sun Aug 28, 2005 2:24 pm

Just a curious question, Bezoar, but why in the hell did you choose that to be your username!
 
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RE: Doctor Who Told Patient She Is Fat Reprimanded

Sun Aug 28, 2005 2:26 pm

What's left out of the link to that story (but said by Dr. Bennett in a few interviews lately on TV), is the woman in question was in such denial about her weight, she even refused to step on the scale in her visits to see him, so he doesn't even have her weight recorded in her chart.

For a variety of reasons, I rarely defend doctors, but in this case, he had a responsibility to say something to his patient about her condition. If she wants to continue to be in denial, she's welcome not to go to the doctor at all.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 4):
Another frivilous law suit that should have been thrown out of court . . .

There is no lawsuit. The patient complained to the state medical board who found him at fault and forwarded the complaint to the state attorney general.
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RE: Doctor Who Told Patient She Is Fat Reprimanded

Sun Aug 28, 2005 2:34 pm

The bedside manner can sometimes leave a lot to be desired but the doctor is right in pointing out patients' conditions that can lead to medical problems. I remember being in theatre recovery one day and a surgeon and anaesthesist were giving a female patient a lecture about her weight in no uncertain terms. Apparently there had been some minor complications during the procedure that the doctors felt were attributed to her weight.
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RE: Doctor Who Told Patient She Is Fat Reprimanded

Sun Aug 28, 2005 3:15 pm

What KC135R and ANCFlyer posted. . . .

Quoting SATX (Reply 8):
Quoting KC135R (Reply 1):
Once again proof that the legal system is "sue-happy", when will these frivolous lawsuits end?

&

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 4):
Another frivilous law suit that should have been thrown out of court . . .

What SATX posted.

Quoting SATX (Reply 8):
I'm sorry, but where is the link that shows that a lawsuit was filed?!

All I could find was "...she filed a complaint with the state Board of Medicine."

What everyone heard/read:

BLaaa, Blaaa, Blaaaa, Blaaa, Link, Blaaa, Blaaa, Blaaa, Board, Blaaaa, Blaaaa

Point was made, seconded . . . next?

[Edited 2005-08-28 08:19:51]
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RE: Doctor Who Told Patient She Is Fat Reprimanded

Sun Aug 28, 2005 3:18 pm

The doctor was probably covering his own ass by telling her this if she was in such denial.

If she had to have a leg cut off because of diabetes or something later in life because she did nothing to control her weight she would certainly blame the doctors for NOT telling her she was fat.
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RE: Doctor Who Told Patient She Is Fat Reprimanded

Sun Aug 28, 2005 3:26 pm

Quoting SATX (Reply 8):
Well, based on this thread, we know that you can't say your doctor was rude to you. Is that what you mean?

Yes.I was putting myself in the doctors shoes,knowing that he cared for
for his patient,who has to be verbally direct, as a doctor,to have
his patient come to terms of the problem.

I can understand the doctors fustration.
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RE: Doctor Who Told Patient She Is Fat Reprimanded

Sun Aug 28, 2005 3:32 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 12):
What everyone heard/read:

BLaaa, Blaaa, Blaaaa, Blaaa, Link, Blaaa, Blaaa, Blaaa, Board, Blaaaa, Blaaaa

 rotfl 
Good one, Ace!

Now, back to the rest of the story ... What KC135R said, and you seconded was:

Quoting KC135R (Reply 1):
Once again proof that the legal system is "sue-happy", when will these frivolous lawsuits end?

There was no lawsuit. The state attorney general recommended what's known in medical parlance is the doctor be "rehabilitated" by taking a course. That's apparently how the chain of command works in the medical profession in NH when there's a complaint made to the state medical board.

Now please tell us, how is that an indication of a "sue-happy" legal system or a lawsuit?
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RE: Doctor Who Told Patient She Is Fat Reprimanded

Sun Aug 28, 2005 3:47 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 15):
Good one, Ace!

I thought so.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 15):
There was no lawsuit.

I sit corrected. Agreed. Regardless, a bullshit snivel if I ever heard one. And the State siding with her . . . another example of the ultra-PC environment in which we live taking control.

So - I post the question Westy - when she dies because she's as big as a house, and then her FAMILY sues because "no one told her to lose weight", where do we go from there? Hypothetical, sure. Practical, absolutely.

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RE: Doctor Who Told Patient She Is Fat Reprimanded

Sun Aug 28, 2005 3:56 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 16):
So - I post the question Westy - when she dies because she's as big as a house, and then her FAMILY sues because "no one told her to lose weight", where do we go from there? Hypothetical, sure. Practical, absolutely.

Already answered, I believe.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 10):
For a variety of reasons, I rarely defend doctors, but in this case, he had a responsibility to say something to his patient about her condition. If she wants to continue to be in denial, she's welcome not to go to the doctor at all.

IF a lawsuit were to be filed, the courts/jury will look at what the patient did to mitigate the damages. That the woman in question refused to get on the doctor's scale would be indicative that she was in self-denial of her weight condition, and there would be little in the way of damages that could be claimed from the doctor if he did the responsible thing and point out the potential for early death and other complications, which he did.
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RE: Doctor Who Told Patient She Is Fat Reprimanded

Sun Aug 28, 2005 4:09 pm

So, we're back to the frivolity of it all . . . .

She's in denial.

Doctor gives it to her in plain non-vulcan English . . .

She gets pissed . . .

Doctor gets in trouble . . .

Ridiculous

Like the old bimbo that sued McDs for the hot coffee SHE put in HER lap while DRIVING.

Fortunate I'm not a judge . . . wouldn't have many cases like this in AK .. .
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RE: Doctor Who Told Patient She Is Fat Reprimanded

Sun Aug 28, 2005 4:21 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 18):
So, we're back to the frivolity of it all .

Correct. There is in fact a recall drive beginning (I forget the details, it was mentioned during one of Dr. Bennett's TV interviews) against the state AG for having sided with the medical board.

I've received an "I accept your decision to go against medical advice" letter from my doctor when I refused to take the full dose of thyroid he and others recommended, because it caused other problems that, in my estimation, were less worse to live with than living with "the cure". I accept responsibility for my actions, the doctor covered his backside, end of story.

What the state medical board and state AG did in NH was reprehensible, not what the doctor did, in this case.

[Edited 2005-08-28 09:24:29]
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RE: Doctor Who Told Patient She Is Fat Reprimanded

Sun Aug 28, 2005 4:30 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 19):
What the state medical board and state AG did in NH was reprehensible, not what the doctor did, in this case.

Concur . . .

Sorry, by the by, the hear about your issues with your Doctor. But you know, with current malpractice suits and insurance costs, you simply can't blame him/her. I hope it worked to your advantage . . . .

Regards . . .
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RE: Doctor Who Told Patient She Is Fat Reprimanded

Sun Aug 28, 2005 4:35 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 12):
What everyone heard/read:

BLaaa, Blaaa, Blaaaa, Blaaa, Link, Blaaa, Blaaa, Blaaa, Board, Blaaaa, Blaaaa

When you routinely throw canned replies like an automated script that can't think for itself, and then get called on it for looking like a blind numbskull with a pre-written agenda, what do you do? Well, if you're just another arrogant old crank with too much time on their hands, you pretend to speak for the whole forum and attack the messenger.

Oh, and then you wait for some bum-kisser to show up and stroke your massive ego.
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RE: Doctor Who Told Patient She Is Fat Reprimanded

Sun Aug 28, 2005 4:41 pm

I took my medicine, sat corrected, what else you want.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 16):
I sit corrected. Agreed. Regardless, a bullshit snivel if I ever heard one. And the State siding with her . . . another example of the ultra-PC environment in which we live taking control.

Long hot showers are out of the question.

Quoting SATX (Reply 21):
Oh, and then you wait for some bum-kisser to show up and stroke your massive ego.

Aerowesty and I rarely see Eye to Eye, so I wouldn't exactly refer to is as Bum-kissing . . .

More like a mutual respect for opposing opinions that are discussed and left in a mutually agreed upon state of rest . . . .
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RE: Doctor Who Told Patient She Is Fat Reprimanded

Sun Aug 28, 2005 4:53 pm

Quoting SATX (Reply 21):
Oh, and then you wait for some bum-kisser to show up and stroke your massive ego.

As hilarious as I think ANC gets when he's gun slingin', I've never been so meek as not say out loud to him what I think if I disagree with him, or been unable to have a civil conversation on a mutual topic of interest to us both.

Next?
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RE: Doctor Who Told Patient She Is Fat Reprimanded

Sun Aug 28, 2005 8:30 pm

Quoting ArmitageShanks (Reply 9):
Just a curious question, Bezoar, but why in the hell did you choose that to be your username!

Several years ago my partner and I used that screen name playing interactive trivia at the local Damon's. (We often kicked butt!)

Most folks don't know that a bezoar is an undigested mass in the stomach, like a hairball, but I've held onto it as a way to maintain a sense of humility. It is the opposite approach from picking a name like 'Wellhung.'

Admittedly, 'bezoar' has no connection to aviation, but perhaps fuel tanks can get an equivalent mass.
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RE: Doctor Who Told Patient She Is Fat Reprimanded

Mon Aug 29, 2005 6:49 am

I stand corrected - there was no lawsuit - but that's word semantics to me, she still used official channels to up-channel a complaint that is frivolous at best and should not have progressed all the way up to the state AG.

Let me rephrase - I still believe it is a misuse of official channels. Whether she sued or pursued it with the state board of medicine, whatever, I don't care - this should have been between her and her doctor. If a patient does not like being told the truth, which might save their life - too bad.

Doctors talk in clinical terms - he's a doctor not a weight counselor - he needs to let her know the consequences - BLUNTLY so that she gets the message that she has obviously ignored for years.

There - that's my "corrected statement" - happy?

Oh and by the way, my biggest concern is that doctors, afraid of being reprimanded, will no longer candidly tell people what they need to hear. That's the real downside to an official reprimand for saying something that needed to be said.

[Edited 2005-08-28 23:51:08]
 
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RE: Doctor Who Told Patient She Is Fat Reprimanded

Mon Aug 29, 2005 12:02 pm

Quoting KC135R (Reply 25):
I stand corrected - there was no lawsuit - but that's word semantics to me

I think what you're trying to say is that the actual truth is irrelevant to you. No problem. I already assumed this to be the case. Just go back to beating your chest, jumping to wild and unsubstantiated conclusions, and making endless pre-canned claims that only serve to demonstrate your complete lack of comprehension and attention to detail.

Quoting KC135R (Reply 25):
Let me rephrase - I still believe it is a misuse of official channels. Whether she sued or pursued it with the state board of medicine, whatever, I don't care

Yes, I know you don't care to look at the facts the first time and that you'll just keep on defending your tenuous and laughable position even after you've painted yourself into a corner. There's no need to remind me of this.

Quoting KC135R (Reply 25):
There - that's my "corrected statement" - happy?

Hardly. There's nothing pleasing about witnessing someone who's actually proud to be ignorant.

Quoting KC135R (Reply 25):
Oh and by the way, my biggest concern is that doctors, afraid of being reprimanded, will no longer candidly tell people what they need to hear.

And this concern is based on what events, sources, or studies? Oh, you mean you just managed to think up a solution that's looking for a problem? Go back to sleep.
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RE: Doctor Who Told Patient She Is Fat Reprimanded

Mon Aug 29, 2005 3:40 pm

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RE: Doctor Who Told Patient She Is Fat Reprimanded

Mon Aug 29, 2005 4:07 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 18):
Like the old bimbo that sued McDs for the hot coffee SHE put in HER lap while DRIVING.

Sorry John, but you're wrong on this one too. The "old bimbo," Stella Liebeck, was not driving when she spilled McDonald's coffee on her lap. She was a passenger in her son's car (which was stopped at a light). She was in the process of putting milk and sugar in the coffee when it spilled, causing 3rd degree burns to her hips, thighs, legs, genitals, and perineum, roughly 6% of her body. She had to undergo skin grafts and debridement therapy during a week's hospitalization, and I believe it took her roughly 1 year for her injuries to heal sufficiently for her to be able to walk again. Now when you spill coffee on yourself, yeah you're going to get burned...but full thickness burns of this nature?

Turns out McD's regularly brews and holds coffee at roughly 20 degrees hotter than their competitors. Not for any benefit for you, but so they can extract more coffee out of fewer grounds. The company was aware that this was a health hazard and had received more than 700 complaints of customers getting burned prior to Liebeck (who, for the record, was only attempting to recover hospital bills), but had done nothing about it.

Sorry John, but the hot coffee case was corporate irresponsibility at its worst.
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RE: Doctor Who Told Patient She Is Fat Reprimanded

Thu Sep 01, 2005 1:38 am

There is a new twist to this story, one which includes racism:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9135728/
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RE: Doctor Who Told Patient She Is Fat Reprimanded

Thu Sep 01, 2005 1:56 am

Quoting Bezoar (Reply 24):
Admittedly, 'bezoar' has no connection to aviation, but perhaps fuel tanks can get an equivalent mass.

As a matter of fact, yes they can. Or at least, they used to. In the early days of the jet age, colloid fungus would grow happily in water entrained in jet fuel. The fuel in wing tanks could easily reach forty below at high altitudes and this suspended water would be supercooled and therefore highly unstable. Two things would happen when it was jarred - the supercooled water would freeze and the colloid fungus would gel. This usually happened when it encountered an obstruction like a filter.

Flameout of the engine was the usual result. The problem was pretty well solved by the time the B-707 was designed. We still have fuel heat on many jets to prevent filter icing. The fungus is treated at the tank farms with biocidal additives.
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RE: Doctor Who Told Patient She Is Fat Reprimanded

Thu Sep 01, 2005 2:01 am

Sounds like the doctor is off to sensitivity training.

Now that the rest of the story comes out, he deserves the sensitivity training.
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RE: Doctor Who Told Patient She Is Fat Reprimanded

Thu Sep 01, 2005 3:08 am

I bet she'll think twice before chowing down that hogey. The doctor probably saved her life.
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RE: Doctor Who Told Patient She Is Fat Reprimanded

Thu Sep 01, 2005 3:15 am

Thank you for this update, Beozar. Interesting twist.

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 31):
Sounds like the doctor is off to sensitivity training.

At minimum. He needs more than just sensitivity training.
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