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Bush May Visit Katrina Disaster Area

Thu Sep 01, 2005 3:36 am

Yes this is going to be a Bush bashing thread, so anyone not wanting to read it can hit the back button on your browser now!

Fox is reporting Bush may visit the hardest hit areas on Friday or Saturday. Today he flew back to DC.

Wouldn't it have been more cost effective for him to go by helicopter from Crawford today, or stay in Crawford until it is deemed OK for him to go to those areas? Why waste even more taxpayers money flying the 747 from Texas to Maryland today, only to fly it back again 2 days later?
 
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RE: Bush May Visit Katrina Disaster Area

Thu Sep 01, 2005 3:39 am

Him going back to D.C. itself gives the impression he is going to "work on the situation."

Could he have done just the same from his Crawford ranch? Yes.

But the idea gives an impression of the president "at work," which could help his approval ratings.
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RE: Bush May Visit Katrina Disaster Area

Thu Sep 01, 2005 3:40 am

Quoting BigOrange (Thread starter):
Why waste even more taxpayers money flying the 747 from Texas to Maryland today, only to fly it back again 2 days later?

Can the man do anything right? I mean, everyone on this note who cares enough knows I wouldn't shake Bush's hand if you paid me for it, but sometimes I think he needs to be given a break.

Of course he should visit the area, that's what every head of government would to. Heck, Schröder won the last election exactly this way!
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RE: Bush May Visit Katrina Disaster Area

Thu Sep 01, 2005 3:41 am

Quoting BigOrange (Thread starter):
Bush May Visit Katrina Disaster Area

2 disasters in such a short time... poor area.
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RE: Bush May Visit Katrina Disaster Area

Thu Sep 01, 2005 3:42 am

Quoting BigOrange (Thread starter):
Wouldn't it have been more cost effective for him to go by helicopter from Crawford today, or stay in Crawford until it is deemed OK for him to go to those areas? Why waste even more taxpayers money flying the 747 from Texas to Maryland today, only to fly it back again 2 days later?

Simply to piss you off.

He was in San Diego prior to going back to DC.....I'll bet you'll find fault there too.
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RE: Bush May Visit Katrina Disaster Area

Thu Sep 01, 2005 3:44 am

I'd like to know of any leader in the past, whose country was in a war that was going disasterously!!!, and in the midst of it all took 5 weeks vacation. What a way to support his own troops that he sent to their death and suffering...

As for the hurricane, him visiting is the last thing Louisiana needs. All these people are suffering, and are homeless, and here comes this moron (sorry, couldn't resist) in a private, decked out 747, with all this security, causing nothing more than havoc!
 
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RE: Bush May Visit Katrina Disaster Area

Thu Sep 01, 2005 3:48 am

According to Sky News, who just showed AF1 landing at Andrews, GWB viewed the disaster area from the 747 en route from TX....way to get close to the electorate, Mr Pres.
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RE: Bush May Visit Katrina Disaster Area

Thu Sep 01, 2005 3:50 am

Bush Views Katrina Devastation From Plane
Points:
* Bush tours devastated areas aboad Air Force One
* Bush ordered pilots to fly at 2500 ft over New Orleans
* Pilots flew over Mississippi at 1700 ft
* White House spokesman Scott McClellan quoted Bush as saying, "It's devastating, it's got to be doubly devastating on the ground."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050831/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_katrina

During those low passes, Air Force One was undoubtedly low enough for people to recognize the aircraft.


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RE: Bush May Visit Katrina Disaster Area

Thu Sep 01, 2005 3:58 am

I guess that it shows the people on the ground that the US government and Bush are thinking of them!

What has happened is awful!

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RE: Bush May Visit Katrina Disaster Area

Thu Sep 01, 2005 4:05 am

Quoting STLGph (Reply 1):
Him going back to D.C. itself gives the impression he is going to "work on the situation."

Could he have done just the same from his Crawford ranch? Yes.

You bash him for going on vacation, then when he leaves you bash him for not staying longer.

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RE: Bush May Visit Katrina Disaster Area

Thu Sep 01, 2005 4:10 am

Quoting Ren41 (Reply 9):
You bash him for going on vacation, then when he leaves you bash him for not staying longer.

instead of spending the countless millions it takes just to fly him there so he can look for no real reason except to get better raitings, they could have used that money and donated it to the Red Cross or another agency responsible for the evacuation and recovery
 
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RE: Bush May Visit Katrina Disaster Area

Thu Sep 01, 2005 4:14 am

Quoting BigOrange (Thread starter):
Yes this is going to be a Bush bashing thread

Of course it is....this is a.net after all.

Quoting STLGph (Reply 1):
Could he have done just the same from his Crawford ranch? Yes

absolutely! The first things the democrats would have done is whine that he is on vacation.

Quoting KLMA330 (Reply 5):
I'd like to know of any leader in the past, whose country was in a war that was going disasterously!!!, and in the midst of it all took 5 weeks vacation. What a way to support his own troops that he sent to their death and suffering...

The last time i checked we kicked the crap out of sadaams army in about 10 days. You need to speak to some of the soldiers that are fighting over their. And yes i have relatives who are serving.
One final note: This being a Bush bashing thread..i know that their is nothing that President Bush can do to please any democrat in this or any other situation..so why try.
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RE: Bush May Visit Katrina Disaster Area

Thu Sep 01, 2005 4:17 am

b744f,

Get real. I would like you to lay out a detailed action plan for a US president that would escape your scrutiny and contradictory remarks. I want details of what he should do. Otherwise you are nothing more than a blowhard who will criticize anythinga nd everything due to a personal bias you seem to hold.
 
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RE: Bush May Visit Katrina Disaster Area

Thu Sep 01, 2005 4:18 am

Quoting Sidewinder (Reply 11):
The last time i checked we kicked the crap out of sadaams army in about 10 days.

And this was the worst dictator in our time who was a danger to the world!! LOL!

Quoting Sidewinder (Reply 11):
You need to speak to some of the soldiers that are fighting over their. And yes i have relatives who are serving.

And I'm sure they will tell you what a great time they are having and how the mission is accomplished

Quoting Sidewinder (Reply 11):
One final note: This being a Bush bashing thread..i know that their is nothing that President Bush can do to please any democrat in this or any other situation..so why try.

How about having a President who doesn't set the record for most vacation days during a term where you had the biggest terrorist attack on our soil and 2 wars still going on?
 
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RE: Bush May Visit Katrina Disaster Area

Thu Sep 01, 2005 4:21 am

Quoting Redngold (Reply 7):
During those low passes, Air Force One was undoubtedly low enough for people to recognize the aircraft.



Quoting Christa (Reply 8):
I guess that it shows the people on the ground that the US government and Bush are thinking of them!

People looked up and saw the airplane and were reminded that everything we have is being sent to them. They saw that the US still functions, even if there section is under water or destroyed.

The President needed to see it with his own eyes, and if he had not gone people would use that against him.
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RE: Bush May Visit Katrina Disaster Area

Thu Sep 01, 2005 4:23 am

Quoting B744F (Reply 13):
And I'm sure they will tell you what a great time they are having and how the mission is accomplished

They will tell you that the place has change for the better. All you will see (as a bush hater) is the negative. You will never point out anything good the man has done. Kind of narrow minded isn't it?
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RE: Bush May Visit Katrina Disaster Area

Thu Sep 01, 2005 4:26 am

I guess it's the right thing to do for President Bush. Better yet he would at least try to visit the area instead of just flying over it.

For something not so completely different: How come neither the President nor the American Red Cross asked other nations for help?
I understand there are many people without access to drinking water and without well needed medical help.
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RE: Bush May Visit Katrina Disaster Area

Thu Sep 01, 2005 4:26 am

Quoting Sidewinder (Reply 11):
One final note: This being a Bush bashing thread..i know that their is nothing that President Bush can do to please any democrat in this or any other situation..so why try.

This is so not about Democrats and Republicans anymore.. hell, I'm Canadian anyway... this is about a world leader who lies, and lies, and lies, and is fighting a war which is clearly a lost cause. He's taken a Great country like the US, and has made it the punchline of poeple's jokes. I am not even
American, and I'm taking it personally... how you, as a US citizen can make excuses for him is beyond me!
 
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RE: Bush May Visit Katrina Disaster Area

Thu Sep 01, 2005 4:29 am

Quoting Sidewinder (Reply 15):
They will tell you that the place has change for the better. All you will see (as a bush hater) is the negative. You will never point out anything good the man has done. Kind of narrow minded isn't it?

I can't name one positive thing the man has done. He claimed to be pro public education then tried to underfund it, every claim about the war turned out to be false. You will never point out anything bad the man has done, you try to dwell on these false hopes that he really means well when it is quite obvious he does whatever Cheney, Rove, and his corporate handlers want.
 
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RE: Bush May Visit Katrina Disaster Area

Thu Sep 01, 2005 4:39 am

First, I believe that President Bush would rather teach people to fish that to feed them a fish.(regarding domestic issues of course) Many people have a problem with that.

Quoting B744F (Reply 18):
He claimed to be pro public education then tried to underfund it

Can you give me an example?

Quoting B744F (Reply 18):
try to dwell on these false hopes that he really means well when it is quite obvious he does whatever Cheney, Rove, and his corporate handlers want.

Do you really believe that? or that what you would like to believe?

Quoting KLMA330 (Reply 17):
He's taken a Great country like the US, and has made it the punchline of people's jokes

Only the democrats.
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RE: Bush May Visit Katrina Disaster Area

Thu Sep 01, 2005 5:03 am

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 16):
I guess it's the right thing to do for President Bush. Better yet he would at least try to visit the area instead of just flying over it.

Since right now there is no way to get in and out on the ground except by boat, and FEMA and government officials are asking everyone except trained personnel to stay out, I think Bush did the right thing by flying over at low altitude.


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RE: Bush May Visit Katrina Disaster Area

Thu Sep 01, 2005 7:32 am

Quoting Aloges (Reply 2):
Can the man do anything right? . . . . . . but sometimes I think he needs to be given a break.

Never gonna happen on A-Net . . . some people have no fuckin' life and only live to Bash Bush . . . . some are still here, some got canned . . . hopefully, more to follow.

Quoting DL021 (Reply 4):
He was in San Diego prior to going back to DC.....

Celebrating the end of WW2 at VJ Day ceremonies . . . .

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 16):
Better yet he would at least try to visit the area instead of just flying over it.

Friday or Saturday is the plan.
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RE: Bush May Visit Katrina Disaster Area

Thu Sep 01, 2005 7:41 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 21):
Never gonna happen on A-Net . . . some people have no fuckin' life and only live to Bash Bush . . . . some are still here, some got canned . . . hopefully, more to follow.

I cry no tears for Bush. Few seem to remember, or are simply unwilling to admit, that it was just as bad if not worse for Clinton. At least Bush doesn't have to worry about the news media trying to hold him accountable. If the news media did their job and demanded actual answers from the guy in charge, then I for one would feel like I could back off and let the press handle it. Since they appear to be too caught up in 'national pride' to truly question the president, I find myself acting a lot more cynical and critical of our administration.
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RE: Bush May Visit Katrina Disaster Area

Thu Sep 01, 2005 7:48 am

Quoting SATX (Reply 22):
I cry no tears for Bush.

Understatement of the Year Candidate.

Quoting SATX (Reply 22):
Few seem to remember, or are simply unwilling to admit, that it was just as bad if not worse for Clinton.

I remember well, but it's not Clinton's time - unless the thread warrants it. I don't think that Bush Bashing is wrong - hell he likely deserves it sometimes. As did your pal Slick Willie.

What I think is stupid, bizarre, inane, very childish, elementary, ridiculous, assinine is that every 3 -4 A-Net threads and/or usually within 5 posts in any given thread Bush is bashed, even when it's not warranted from A-Netters that have no fuckin' life, have nothing on their minds, can contribute absolutely frickin' nothing to a thread unless it's blaming Bush for something, and they simply need to STFU.

I felt the same way and still do about Clinton.

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RE: Bush May Visit Katrina Disaster Area

Thu Sep 01, 2005 7:57 am

Here's a shot from AF1. What do you think the altitude is?

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RE: Bush May Visit Katrina Disaster Area

Thu Sep 01, 2005 8:08 am

Perhaps John Kerry's campaign manager should have been the one to visit the Gulf States. After all, he is much better acquainted with disasters!

Couldn't resist. I'm so ashamed.

Seriously the President NOT visiting the disaster area is simply not an option. We expect it, we insist on it, and every President of recent years has done this.

Frankly I don't mind this use of AF1 (and the C-17 carrying his car) so much as I do when it is used as a campaign tool. Ronald Reagan brought it to Reno and Las Vegas to shore up the doomed campaign of Chic Hecht who would have lost if he'd run unopposed. He did it out of party loyalty and perhaps some political debt. Utter waste of the taxpayers' money. Democratic Presidents do it too. They always say that the party reimburses us, but they pay a pittance for a Presidential visit.
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RE: Bush May Visit Katrina Disaster Area

Thu Sep 01, 2005 8:08 am

Quoting Ren41 (Reply 9):
You bash him for going on vacation, then when he leaves you bash him for not staying longer.

i did no such thing.

Quoting Sidewinder (Reply 11):
absolutely! The first things the democrats would have done is whine that he is on vacation.

this has nothing to do with Democrats. there's 1 million or so homeless people. they need help. they want the guy they elected to lead them.

Quoting Redngold (Reply 7):
White House spokesman Scott McClellan quoted Bush as saying, "It's devastating, it's got to be doubly devastating on the ground."

next quote: "this national policy stuff is a little frustrating!"
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RE: Bush May Visit Katrina Disaster Area

Thu Sep 01, 2005 8:27 am

Quoting Sidewinder (Reply 15):
You will never point out anything good the man has done.

What good has he done?
 
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RE: Bush May Visit Katrina Disaster Area

Thu Sep 01, 2005 8:50 am

Quoting STLGph (Reply 26):
there's 1 million or so homeless people. they need help. they want the guy they elected to lead them.

If you were president what would you do right now?
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RE: Bush May Visit Katrina Disaster Area

Thu Sep 01, 2005 8:57 am

Quoting Sidewinder (Reply 28):
If you were president what would you do right now?

be in Baton Rouge.
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RE: Bush May Visit Katrina Disaster Area

Thu Sep 01, 2005 9:13 am

Quoting STLGph (Reply 29):
be in Baton Rouge

Thats awfully vague. And do what?
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RE: Bush May Visit Katrina Disaster Area

Thu Sep 01, 2005 10:52 am

It was enough for now for President Bush to do the low flyover the N.O. and adjacent areas. The issues of security for him if he were 'on the ground' would stress the local law enforcement more than they can handle right now.
Perhaps in a month, when the FEMA and military have stablized the situation, and no other major storms hit the USA, then visit the region. He could make a stop at the Astrodome to see LA refugees there, visit Boloxi, MS area to see that area, and as suggested above, Baton Rouge to visit the state's Disaster H.Q. and maybe meet with the Mississippi Governor (a Republican, and ex-head of the National Republican Party)
 
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RE: Bush May Visit Katrina Disaster Area

Thu Sep 01, 2005 11:26 am

I think you guys would be surprised how much the flyover helped today. All of our flights at NPA were pulled to allow the flight over the coast and much of the air support inbound was temporarily delayed...but everyone involved was more than happy to pull aside for him. The reaction on the ground was that of excitement and hope...knowing the President was there and cared immensely.

I'm not saying to those who bash him to stop, but you might want to reconsider the circumstances this time. This flight was hardly about political gain or support...he really just wanted to see it and to see how his fellow Americans were hurting. He knew that if he tried to get on the ground with some huge airlift or motorcade that it would cause so much more damage than good. This was the best option and was already pushing some air rescue teams to the side for the pass. I believe, as many people here do as well, that this was a good thing to see for those who are still suffering.

The man is our leader and I firmly stand behind him. What he did today was just and very welcomed.
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RE: Bush May Visit Katrina Disaster Area

Thu Sep 01, 2005 12:38 pm

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 24):
Here's a shot from AF1. What do you think the altitude is?

2500-3500 ft looks about right to me - if no zoom was used.
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RE: Bush May Visit Katrina Disaster Area

Thu Sep 01, 2005 11:41 pm

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 32):
This flight was hardly about political gain or support...he really just wanted to see it and to see how his fellow Americans were hurting.

How could you possibly know that?

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 32):
This was the best option and was already pushing some air rescue teams to the side for the pass. I believe, as many people here do as well, that this was a good thing to see for those who are still suffering.

If I were over there in the middle of a polluted cesspool with no easy means of escape and a near total lack of sanitary facilities, a few minutes of unnecessary flybys wouldn't do much to lift my spirits.

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 32):
The man is our leader and I firmly stand behind him.

There's no need for you to explain it; your nose already says it all.
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RE: Bush May Visit Katrina Disaster Area

Fri Sep 02, 2005 12:35 am

Quoting SATX (Reply 34):
Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 32):
This flight was hardly about political gain or support...he really just wanted to see it and to see how his fellow Americans were hurting.

How could you possibly know that?

How do you know different?

Quoting STLGph (Reply 29):
Quoting Sidewinder (Reply 28):
If you were president what would you do right now?

be in Baton Rouge.

THe President will be in the area on Friday according to news reports. The reason you don't send a President into the emergency zone immediately is that it would detract from the rescue efforts. The security and resource requirements for any president are huge, and they would be in the way.

Besides, what would he do in BTR?
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RE: Bush May Visit Katrina Disaster Area

Fri Sep 02, 2005 1:12 am

Even though I detest GWB and his cronies more than anything on this planet, I still think the complaints here are unwarranted...

What do you expect the man to do...? Roll up his sleeves... grab a bucket... start throwing water back over the levees..? I mean, come on now...

Bush's flight over the disaster area was necessary for him as a leader to assess the immense losses and get a first hand account of how grave and severe the situation truly is...

If Bush were to simply return to Washington and not take the opportunity to personally view the devastation, then perhaps some of these remarks would be a bit more relevant... using such a horrific tragedy to further political views is pretty low, and that is what we have been seeing here.

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RE: Bush May Visit Katrina Disaster Area

Fri Sep 02, 2005 3:24 am

Quoting Sidewinder (Reply 30):
Quoting STLGph (Reply 29):
be in Baton Rouge

Thats awfully vague. And do what?



Quoting DL021 (Reply 35):
Besides, what would he do in BTR?

Quick geography lesson.

You've got a million displaced people looking for homes and what not. If you were a resident of New Orleans and you went north...what would your first human inclination be? To get back there as soon as you can. Even if your home is underwater, it is natural human nature to want to try to at least return home and do what you can to help. Clean up efforts, rescue efforts, etc., you name it.

What's the first large city outside of New Orleans headed north on I-10?

Baton Rouge.

What's the largest city all the "homeless refugees" will come to as they make their way back south?

Baton Rouge.

Where is the state government of Louisiana?

Baton Rouge.

So, ideally, being in Baton Rouge keeps a president out of the direct disaster zone and interferring with the operations there. But having the president there allows for him to interact with state officials at providing aim and resouces, and working to solve the first and foremost problem: "what to do with a million homeless people." The location also gives him quick access to the Mississippi Gulf Coast region.
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RE: Bush May Visit Katrina Disaster Area

Fri Sep 02, 2005 4:28 am

Thanks for the geography lesson, even though I already knew where it was.

Now, here's a lesson in disaster management, or any type of situational management....while forming the headquarters or command post for any situation you need to let the people on the scene handle the immediate issues prior to interrupting them with some form of inspection. Short of some desire to micromanage the scene, which would be completely ridiculous, there's nothing that the president needs to do on the scene prior to the emergency managers getting a basic grip.

Even though I think its too soon, he's headed to visit the scene tomorrow, and I'll bet that BTR is one of the places where he's headed tomorrow, or whenever he goes. He'll visit victims as well as emergency workers and do what he has done before.....improve morale and let the people there know that they are not alone, we're all with them. Which is what the Commander in Chief is supposed to do. He's already put the people who will handle this in place, and he needs to let them do their jobs.
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RE: Bush May Visit Katrina Disaster Area

Fri Sep 02, 2005 4:32 am

Quoting DL021 (Reply 38):
Now, here's a lesson in disaster management, or any type of situational management....while forming the headquarters or command post for any situation you need to let the people on the scene handle the immediate issues prior to interrupting them with some form of inspection. Short of some desire to micromanage the scene, which would be completely ridiculous, there's nothing that the president needs to do on the scene prior to the emergency managers getting a basic grip.

Politics aside, he's in the old situation any leader is in. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't....

The upside of it is the morale issue which has value in itself.
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RE: Bush May Visit Katrina Disaster Area

Fri Sep 02, 2005 4:49 am

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 32):
All of our flights at NPA were pulled to allow the flight over the coast and much of the air support inbound was temporarily delayed...but everyone involved was more than happy to pull aside for him.

Scott McClelland said during his news briefing this morning that NO rescue efforts were hampered by the president's flyby. Thanks for the view of things on your end, and what you're doing to help the relief effort.

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 32):
The reaction on the ground was that of excitement and hope...knowing the President was there and cared immensely.

The mere sight of AF1 flying over if I was stuck without food, water, phone, power, and dead bodies floating by me would give me the impression the cavalry was sure to follow. I'm willing to give Bush a pass on this one.

Now, can we parachute-drop some aid to the folks stuck at the Superdome or something?
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RE: Bush May Visit Katrina Disaster Area

Fri Sep 02, 2005 5:19 am

Quoting DL021 (Reply 35):
How do you know different?

You seem confused. My blatantly obvious point is...

1. The poster in question cannot read the president's mind better than anyone else.
2. The poster in question is presenting a porous theory as if it were a known fact.

What's your point?
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RE: Bush May Visit Katrina Disaster Area

Fri Sep 02, 2005 5:24 am

Quoting SATX (Reply 41):
What's your point?

That you are positing that he is wrong when you don't know. I'd say that his explanation sounds more accurate than anything you offered. That's my point.
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RE: Bush May Visit Katrina Disaster Area

Fri Sep 02, 2005 5:56 am

Quoting SATX (Reply 34):
If I were over there in the middle of a polluted cesspool with no easy means of escape and a near total lack of sanitary facilities, a few minutes of unnecessary flybys wouldn't do much to lift my spirits.

Pretty simple fact...you weren't there. Don't speak as if you were...you have no idea how it impacted the people.

Quoting SATX (Reply 34):
There's no need for you to explain it; your nose already says it all.

I'm glad you find the need to stoop low enough to take a political jab. My nose says it with pride then.

Quoting A332 (Reply 36):
When it comes to helping out those in need, there should be no politics!

I agree completely, but unfortunately politics comes into play when people like some on here decide to insert it.

Quoting STLGph (Reply 37):
Quick geography lesson.

Good for you...that's not the point. He could go anywhere in the Gulf Coast region, but nothing else will have as much impact as visiting the center of all the damage and news coming out. He can skirt around every other area but going to the heart is what counts.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 40):
Scott McClelland said during his news briefing this morning that NO rescue efforts were hampered by the president's flyby. Thanks for the view of things on your end, and what you're doing to help the relief effort.

Thanks for your comment. Actually, no rescue operations were ordered to pull away because of it, but several inbound flights were delayed, mainly for traffic and logistical purposes. Our flights were pulled temporarily to allow the flyover but then resumed quickly afterwards. No official order to clear was given, but flights were delayed temporarily. However, the impact on morale was enough to justify NPA's short delays.

Quoting SATX (Reply 41):
1. The poster in question cannot read the president's mind better than anyone else.
2. The poster in question is presenting a porous theory as if it were a known fact.

We get to find out a little more than most. This wasn't planned and it wasn't politically motivated. I was there and I know this for a fact...on both the aid end and on the side getting the reports from his staff about his flyover. I'm sure someone somewhere in his group of staffers had a glimmer of political gain, but I can assure you that our CinC didn't have those views. You can debate my credibility all day long but it doesn't change the fact that his presence, no matter how worthless it is to you(I remind you that you're sitting comfortably in your residence in the nice A/C), lifted spirits far more than people can imagine.

And, I believe I have more credibility in this situation backing me up than you do. I wouldn't post what I don't know...unlike some others.

Quoting DL021 (Reply 42):
That you are positing that he is wrong when you don't know. I'd say that his explanation sounds more accurate than anything you offered. That's my point.

Thank you.
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RE: Bush May Visit Katrina Disaster Area

Fri Sep 02, 2005 7:07 am

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 43):
Good for you...that's not the point. He could go anywhere in the Gulf Coast region, but nothing else will have as much impact as visiting the center of all the damage and news coming out. He can skirt around every other area but going to the heart is what counts.

I never said he should not go to the heart of the matter.

The entire relief effort is one big massive logistics operation. Centralizing this operation in a place such as Baton Rouge would make more sense than trying to do it during a PR photo shoot on Canal Street.
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