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Bush Overflys N.O

Thu Sep 01, 2005 6:41 am

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...,1,4668445.story?coll=chi-news-hed

chicago Tribune article, apparently president bush has overflown the new orleans devesation on Air Force One to view the city. The article says Air Force One flew low (1700 feet!!!) over the Missisppi River. Can you imagine what it would be like to see AF1 (i imagine he's in the 757 since this was pretty much a domestic flight?) flying that low...i would imagine the secret service had a fit as well since theres no way they were able to get people on the ground in anticipation of it for security, so i wonder how that all was able to work...

quite interesting.
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RE: Bush Overflys N.O

Thu Sep 01, 2005 6:47 am

I know, that is pretty awesome. Would have loved to been in there or seen it flying over!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050831/..._go_pr_wh/katrina_washington_hk3_1

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RE: Bush Overflys N.O

Thu Sep 01, 2005 6:51 am

Quoting Planespotting (Thread starter):
(i imagine he's in the 757 since this was pretty much a domestic flight?)

Doubtful, the 757 is typically only used in places where STOL becomes an issue. Why worry about fuel, he's not paying.  Wink
 
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RE: Bush Overflys N.O

Thu Sep 01, 2005 7:03 am

It was a 747, just saw it on FOX News Channel.

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RE: Bush Overflys N.O

Thu Sep 01, 2005 7:06 am

And what does this flight help New Orleans?
 
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RE: Bush Overflys N.O

Thu Sep 01, 2005 7:13 am

Quoting ZRH (Reply 4):
And what does this flight help New Orleans?

Huh?  Confused

Anyone get a shot of AF1? 1,700 ft! That sounds like a kodak moment.

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RE: Bush Overflys N.O

Thu Sep 01, 2005 7:14 am

Quoting Planespotting (Thread starter):
i would imagine the secret service had a fit as well since theres no way they were able to get people on the ground in anticipation of it for security

Yeah, there's no way he or any other high ranking government official would be anywhere near the hard hit areas right now. It's hard enough getting the National Guard into some areas, much less Secret Service protection. The flight was probably the best option - plus, it was sort of on the way back to Washington anyhow.
 
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RE: Bush Overflys N.O

Thu Sep 01, 2005 7:14 am

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 1):
I know, that is pretty awesome. Would have loved to been in there or seen it flying over!

Awesome? Ask yourself this...what is causing him to fly over N.O.? Is that awesome?! I sincerely would not say so! And I'm almost positive no one wants to be there in the aftermath of such devastation!

Anthony

EDIT: Aa777jr, I'm sure nobody got a shot, as I bet not many people had a camera with them at the time.

[Edited 2005-09-01 00:16:30]
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RE: Bush Overflys N.O

Thu Sep 01, 2005 7:15 am

Quoting ZRH (Reply 4):
And what does this flight help New Orleans?

It is what every politician does. Just suppose for a minute that no politician, mayor, governor, president cared what it looked like. Do you think that would be better?

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RE: Bush Overflys N.O

Thu Sep 01, 2005 7:29 am

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 1):
I know, that is pretty awesome. Would have loved to been in there or seen it flying over!

you think its awesome that the president flew over N.O. to see what people have lost forever? Do you think its awesome that no one has a home to come back to or a nice warm bed to sleep in?

Do you think its awesome that people died?

If you think that that's awesome your sick.
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RE: Bush Overflys N.O

Thu Sep 01, 2005 7:32 am

"That was a powerful image to us because we've been out of communication, unaware really of what's happening in the outside world. This was a sign that you've heard, that you've heard and listened" from cnn reporter

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/08/31/scene.blog/index.html

Looks like it had a positive impact.
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RE: Bush Overflys N.O

Thu Sep 01, 2005 7:35 am

Undoubtedly, some people waiting to be rescued would have recognized Air Force One from 1700-2500 ft. Since FEMA and other government officials have restricted disaster zone entry to trained personnel, Bush had no other way to "tour."

I'm glad he flew over.
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RE: Bush Overflys N.O

Thu Sep 01, 2005 7:40 am

Quoting Blackhawk144 (Reply 7):
Awesome? Ask yourself this...what is causing him to fly over N.O.? Is that awesome?! I sincerely would not say so! And I'm almost positive no one wants to be there in the aftermath of such devastation!



Quoting LFutia (Reply 9):
you think its awesome that the president flew over N.O. to see what people have lost forever? Do you think its awesome that no one has a home to come back to or a nice warm bed to sleep in?

Do you think its awesome that people died?

If you think that that's awesome your sick

The plane flying over. It is awesome.

You are such good samaritans, what have you done? Got your check book out for the Red Cross? Volunteered your boat?

This is my last post on how you idiots responded to what I said.

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RE: Bush Overflys N.O

Thu Sep 01, 2005 7:54 am

settle kiddo's.

Bush flying over the area was a good thing, especially for the people who were able to see Air Force One. AF1 is a symbol and to see that basically is like seeing the president. it means to a lot of the people on the ground that people are concerned about them (most of these folks have no way of watching all the tv coverage that many of us have taken for granted) so it is nice to see the most important plane in the United States flying over their area.
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RE: Bush Overflys N.O

Thu Sep 01, 2005 7:57 am

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 12):
You are such good samaritans, what have you done? Got your check book out for the Red Cross? Volunteered your boat?

I've already donated $40 to the Red Cross... what have you done?
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RE: Bush Overflys N.O

Thu Sep 01, 2005 7:58 am

wonder what the altitude of the CAP flight(s) were
 
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RE: Bush Overflys N.O

Thu Sep 01, 2005 8:18 am

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 15):
wonder what the altitude of the CAP flight(s) were

I am sure af-1 has a fish finder.
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RE: Bush Overflys N.O

Thu Sep 01, 2005 8:25 am

Quoting ZRH (Reply 4):
And what does this flight help New Orleans?

And what help do those St Bernards do high in the Swiss alpine pass with those fake kegs hanging around their necks?
 
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RE: Bush Overflys N.O

Thu Sep 01, 2005 8:32 am

I don't understand the point of overflying the affected areas in the B747. If the point was to view the devastation from above, why not use a helicopter, a blimp, or a hot air balloon? Ok, kidding about the blimp and the balloon, but I would think Marine One would've served this purpose much better.

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RE: Bush Overflys N.O

Thu Sep 01, 2005 8:39 am

Marine One was probably in the greater DC area. Isn't that an awfully long way to fly a chopper?
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RE: Bush Overflys N.O

Thu Sep 01, 2005 8:42 am

Quoting Zamaria (Reply 18):
I don't understand the point of overflying the affected areas in the B747. If the point was to view the devastation from above, why not use a helicopter, a blimp, or a hot air balloon? Ok, kidding about the blimp and the balloon, but I would think Marine One would've served this purpose much better.

The President was flying from Crawford, TX to Andrews Air Force Base.

Why travel over halfway across the country in a helicopter when the 747 was going to make the trip anyway?
 
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RE: Bush Overflys N.O

Thu Sep 01, 2005 8:52 am

Quoting ZRH (Reply 4):
And what does this flight help New Orleans?

I find it much less offensive for the President to fly over versus his predecessor who always had to mingle with the people so he could have another photo op. Those efforts always took people away from helping people so they could help guard and impress the President.

He was on his way back from Texas anyway. I applaud the action as a good way to get the press on board without screwing up things on the ground.

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RE: Bush Overflys N.O

Thu Sep 01, 2005 9:01 am

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 12):
The plane flying over. It is awesome.

You are such good samaritans, what have you done? Got your check book out for the Red Cross? Volunteered your boat?

This is my last post on how you idiots responded to what I said.

M

What!? Idiots!? For just responding my thoughts to one of you're posts! You're acting completely absurd! You've just misunderstood me...I wasn't trying to argue, or anything! I admit, maybe those exclamation marks were unnecessary, but still! I was just making a point, as I thought it sounded stupid to say "Awesome" in such recent events.

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 12):
You are such good samaritans, what have you done? Got your check book out for the Red Cross? Volunteered your boat?

I'm only 14! I don't have a checkbook, nor do I have a boat. I admit, I could donate blood, and do other things, but this is completely not the point! I don't see anywhere, where I called myself a good samaritan, and I don't see anywhere where I try to imply it.

Locally, I'm a good samaritan to those who need it. Nationally and Internationally, no I'm not, I'll admit.

Check my profile, re-read what I said, do whatever you need before calling people idiots!

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RE: Bush Overflys N.O

Thu Sep 01, 2005 9:01 am

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 13):
Bush flying over the area was a good thing, especially for the people who were able to see Air Force One. AF1 is a symbol and to see that basically is like seeing the president. it means to a lot of the people on the ground that people are concerned about them (most of these folks have no way of watching all the tv coverage that many of us have taken for granted) so it is nice to see the most important plane in the United States flying over their area.

What a line of BS....  Yeah sure
 
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RE: Bush Overflys N.O

Thu Sep 01, 2005 9:33 am

ChiGB1973 -- im still waiting to hear what you've done... ive done my part... i donated... if i had more cash i'd donate but i dont so 40 was the best i could do.

and btw.. i dont see why you had to drag Blackhawk144 into your reply... maybe you need to re-think your comments.

[Edited 2005-09-01 02:40:00]
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RE: Bush Overflys N.O

Thu Sep 01, 2005 9:50 am

Quoting Aa777jr (Reply 5):
Anyone get a shot of AF1? 1,700 ft! That sounds like a kodak moment.

Hmmm, think about that for a second. Do you think the refugees sitting on I-10 puilled out their digital cameras and shot it?

On a different note, I think it's great he flew over. It allows him to get a look at the devastation. In all honesty, I would hope he wouldn't go to MSY on Friday as he is planning to do. When a President arrives, it pulls a lot of local resources to support his visit- at a time when they can least afford to expend them.
 
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RE: Bush Overflys N.O

Thu Sep 01, 2005 9:59 am

Quoting Flyabunch (Reply 21):
I find it much less offensive for the President to fly over versus his predecessor who always had to mingle with the people so he could have another photo op. Those efforts always took people away from helping people so they could help guard and impress the President.

Ya cause bush doesnt usually go for those photo ops when he can... give me a break dude.

And I suppose all the photo ops bush took after 9/11 in new york were ok and not taking away from the efforts going on to help the situation? You fail to recognise a key role of any head of state, to bring up morale, especially in times of need, by his/her presence. Your obviously a Republican that likes to use nonsence and ignore facts to make your point  Smile
 
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RE: Bush Overflys N.O

Thu Sep 01, 2005 10:02 am

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 13):
What a line of BS.... Yeah sure


I don't think that's bs, if I was in their situation it would bring a little more security to know the President is around and is going to do something! You just sound, personally, like someone who can't stand Bush. Even if I didn't like bush I don't think that flying over a devastated area to see what needs to be done is bs, AND I also don't think that maybe lifting a few peoples spirits is bs either. Please refrain (is that's what it was) from looking at only your own views of Bush and maybe think what reassurance it might have brought the thousands stranded!
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RE: Bush Overflys N.O

Thu Sep 01, 2005 10:54 am

Quoting AC787 (Reply 26):
And I suppose all the photo ops bush took after 9/11 in new york were ok and not taking away from the efforts going on to help the situation? You fail to recognise a key role of any head of state, to bring up morale, especially in times of need, by his/her presence. Your obviously a Republican that likes to use nonsence and ignore facts to make your point

Actually, I would best be described as an independent. Fiscally conservative and socially moderate. I do not agree with the President on everything. But, I always took offense at Clinton having to be on site immediately.

As for the 9/11 photo op. I think it was a little different. If I remember correctly, it was a couple of days later. It was in a contained space, where security was easier. I think it would have been a nightmare for Bush to plop down in New Orleans or even Gulfport or Biloxi. Maybe in a few more days, but not right now.

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RE: Bush Overflys N.O

Thu Sep 01, 2005 11:00 am

Quoting Aa777jr (Reply 5):
Anyone get a shot of AF1? 1,700 ft! That sounds like a kodak moment.

Regards.

Yeah they just lost thier houses and lives as they knew it and you want them to snap a picture.
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RE: Bush Overflys N.O

Thu Sep 01, 2005 11:06 am

This is what presidents do.

When there is devistation they show up. They look at the situation, meet with FEMA, meet with local leaders and make decisions that are in the best interest of recovery.

Be it Bush or Clinton or any future and past president, they will do the same thing. I HATE BUSH wit ha passion, his policies have made my life in international relations/dipomacy harder than it should be. However flying over to get a quick look at the devastation is important. Flying low is the only way to let him know what is happening. It is the proper thing for a leader to do.

The thing is Bush cannot start a war on this. He can't blame it on terrorists or Democrats. He can only do what is humane and we know is in his heart. He is not the best leader and can be a down right idiot sometimes. But he can show great compassion at a time like this. He will most likely go through a shelter or two and assure people that the government will do its constitutional duty to protect the people and promote the general welfare of all citizens.

Flying over in AF-1 is just the first step. Some people may have seen it some may have not but it is important that he did it. That he is not brushing it aside. He knows his job and he is doing what is right in the situation.

We all make mistakes and sometimes say things without thinking. Of course no one got a picture but it is okay that you said it. Forgiveness is important.
I brushed off your comment because it was not thougth out. It happens and is a normal statement for A.net when a plane like that flys over.

My old roommate from high school is from New Orelans. He is somewhere with his 7th month pregnant wife. I am looking for him and hope I can get some things to him. I pray that Bush will take action to help my friend and his family as well as all people in the Delta. Bush's flight over in any aircraft can only be a good thing in the recovery process.

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RE: Bush Overflys N.O

Thu Sep 01, 2005 11:12 am

Quoting LFutia (Reply 24):
ChiGB1973 -- im still waiting to hear what you've done... ive done my part... i donated... if i had more cash i'd donate but i dont so 40 was the best i could do.

and btw.. i dont see why you had to drag Blackhawk144 into your reply... maybe you need to re-think your comments.

Just drop it...no good ever comes from arguing.

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RE: Bush Overflys N.O

Thu Sep 01, 2005 11:15 am

Quoting Flyabunch (Reply 21):
find it much less offensive for the President to fly
[quote=Flyabunch,reply=21]I find it much less offensive for the President to fly over versus his predecessor who always had to mingle with the people so he could have another photo op. Those efforts always took people away from helping people so they could help guard and impress the President.

If I were Bush I wouldn't go anywhere near Louisiana, now that's coming out that his administration diverted money destined to upgrade the levees in New Orleans to the war in Iraq, and ignored a government report in early 2001 that a hurricane-induced flood of New Orleans was one of the three greatest homeland threats, along with a terrorist attack on New York. Isn't that ironic. We've seen two out of three on that list. (I presume the third would be an earthquake on the West Coast).
 
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RE: Bush Overflys N.O

Thu Sep 01, 2005 11:18 am

I wonder if he even bothered to look out the windows?
 
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RE: Bush Overflys N.O

Thu Sep 01, 2005 11:21 am

Bush stated that he did not want to interfere with rescue and recovery efforts before hand.
Establishing a no fly zone so he could tour the area would be counter productive.
He chose to just sneak by unannounced.

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RE: Bush Overflys N.O

Thu Sep 01, 2005 11:22 am

Quoting Dagolden1 (Reply 33):
I wonder if he even bothered to look out the windows?

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...54_450x342_us_weather_katrina_bush

That answers that question.
 
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RE: Bush Overflys N.O

Thu Sep 01, 2005 11:24 am

Quoting Sebring (Reply 32):
If I were Bush I wouldn't go anywhere near Louisiana, now that's coming out that his administration diverted money destined to upgrade the levees in New Orleans to the war in Iraq, and ignored a government report in early 2001 that a hurricane-induced flood of New Orleans was one of the three greatest homeland threats, along with a terrorist attack on New York. Isn't that ironic. We've seen two out of three on that list. (I presume the third would be an earthquake on the West Coast).

Post your sources please. Otherwise quit stirring the pot...
 
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RE: Bush Overflys N.O

Thu Sep 01, 2005 11:33 am

Quoting Sebring (Reply 32):
If I were Bush I wouldn't go anywhere near Louisiana, now that's coming out that his administration diverted money destined to upgrade the levees in New Orleans to the war in Iraq, and ignored a government report in early 2001 that a hurricane-induced flood of New Orleans was one of the three greatest homeland threats

What the hell are you talking about? They had the engineers who built the levees after Betsy on tv saying at the time they thought building for a cat 3 would be sufficient and there was not talk of upgrading them.

Keep your politics to yourself right now, trust me the people of the Gulf Coast would appreciate everybody who comes to help in this time of need.

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RE: Bush Overflys N.O

Thu Sep 01, 2005 11:39 am

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 3):
It was a 747, just saw it on FOX News Channel.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Bush ALWAYS fly AF1?

Quoting ZRH (Reply 4):
And what does this flight help New Orleans?

The leader of your nation cuts short his vacation to fly home to Washington and, on the way, tours the area to assess the damage and, hopefully, speed up the process for providing aid and relief. DUHHH!!!

Quoting Planespotting (Thread starter):
...i would imagine the secret service had a fit as well since theres no way they were able to get people on the ground in anticipation of it for security, so i wonder how that all was able to work...

Hmmmmmmm, let's see. Secret Service is wondering how many terrorists are waiting in an area that is DEVASTATED (no one can spell the word, apparently) by a hurricane with anti-aircraft missiles? Silly, just silly.

Quoting Blackhawk144 (Reply 7):
Awesome? Ask yourself this...what is causing him to fly over N.O.? Is that awesome?! I sincerely would not say so! And I'm almost positive no one wants to be there in the aftermath of such devastation!



Quoting LFutia (Reply 9):
you think its awesome that the president flew over N.O. to see what people have lost forever? Do you think its awesome that no one has a home to come back to or a nice warm bed to sleep in?

Do you think its awesome that people died?

If you think that that's awesome your sick.

No, you are sick to take everything so literally. This is AIRLINERS.NET, a website for people who eat, breath, and sleep aviation. Therefore, the idea of a 747, especially the president's 747, flying at 1700 ft, is an "awesome" concept to an a.nutter. I didn't need my mommy to interpret this for me. I understood what the poster meant. Flying at 1700 ft. did not cause the hurricane. It was, however, the only way that the president could view the damage.
MELLOW OUT!

Quoting Centrair (Reply 30):
This is what presidents do.

Centrair, your entire post was right on, although I only copied one sentence. You said everything I wanted to say.
I too do not agree with Bush. I don't really like him all that much, especially because of what is being done to education in this country. However, this is definitely what presidents do, they show concern, care, support for the citizens of their country. The same people who are ridiculing his actions would jump all over him if he didn't visit the devastation.

Some of you need to really grow up. This hurricane is affecting everyone in the United States. If you don't believe me, check out gas prices in the last 3 days.

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RE: Bush Overflys N.O

Thu Sep 01, 2005 11:40 am

Quoting Blackhawk144 (Reply 31):
Just drop it...no good ever comes from arguing.

yes but still... he needs to think before he posts...
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RE: Bush Overflys N.O

Thu Sep 01, 2005 11:52 am

Quoting FLY2LIM (Reply 38):
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Bush ALWAYS fly AF1?

I think you're getting the callsign confused with an aircraft type. The "747s" that sometimes serve as Air Force One are VC-25s. Air Force One is any USAF aircraft that the president happens to be on. There are other aircraft in the US Executive Fleet including C-32s (757s), C-12s (Beachcraft Super King Air), C-9s (DC-9s), C-20s (G-IIIs and G-IVs), and C-37s (G-Vs) and, at any moment, any of those or any other USAF aircraft could be Air Force One.
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RE: Bush Overflys N.O

Thu Sep 01, 2005 11:57 am

Quoting Positiverate (Reply 36):
Quoting Sebring (Reply 32):If I were Bush I wouldn't go anywhere near Louisiana, now that's coming out that his administration diverted money destined to upgrade the levees in New Orleans to the war in Iraq, and ignored a government report in early 2001 that a hurricane-induced flood of New Orleans was one of the three greatest homeland threats, along with a terrorist attack on New York. Isn't that ironic. We've seen two out of three on that list. (I presume the third would be an earthquake on the West Coast).
Post your sources please. Otherwise quit stirring the pot...

Here's your source!

http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,372455,00.html
 
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RE: Bush Overflys N.O

Thu Sep 01, 2005 12:00 pm

Quoting CO767FA (Reply 23):

What a line of BS....

actually, not BS.

thats how most americans view the president and air force one. I am as left wing liberal as they come and in no way am a believer in the current white house, but for christ sakes he is the president and he is a symbol. He is doing what he can do right now to try and be the president. has he made mistakes in the past...yes? will he make mistakes in the future, yes! this natural disaster is neither republican or democrat and we can't start saying that the president isn't doing his job right now because of partisan lines. He's an American and I'm sure he feels compassion and wants to do whatever he can to help the people and the region devestated by this hurricane, and the first step in that is being visible and making an effort to show that he is very concerned. Party lines or not, everyone in the gulf of mexico area needs the support of every republican/democrat/communist/liberatarian/reformist/green person in the country.
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RE: Bush Overflys N.O

Thu Sep 01, 2005 12:10 pm

Quoting Sebring (Reply 32):
If I were Bush I wouldn't go anywhere near Louisiana, now that's coming out that his administration diverted money destined to upgrade the levees in New Orleans to the war in Iraq, and ignored a government report in early 2001 that a hurricane-induced flood of New Orleans was one of the three greatest homeland threats, along with a terrorist attack on New York. Isn't that ironic. We've seen two out of three on that list. (I presume the third would be an earthquake on the West Coast).

That was pretty ignorant. Bush can't impose spending on upgrades as you suggest. The state must request and buy-into the program.

Louisiana didn't. New Orleans didn't.
 
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RE: Bush Overflys N.O

Thu Sep 01, 2005 12:32 pm

A German newspaper publishing an article written by a former Clinton advisor. I really have a problem taking this one seriously. Newspapers in general have not been too good at the credibility thing lately so I will wait and see what washes out in a couple of months before I crow about the presidents failings on this one.

IMHO the biggest factor in this tragedy is that a major city was built below sea level on one of the largest unstable rivers in the world. It was a recipe for disaster...no matter how much money they spent on the levees.

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Thu Sep 01, 2005 12:37 pm

I'm wondering how slow he was going at 1700 feet. I was reading this link and it seems to say that the 747 is going 170 kts once established on final approach, so I doubt they'd want to go much slower than that, no? Any experienced 747 pilots care to comment?
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Thu Sep 01, 2005 12:45 pm

Are the liberals going to accuse Bush of invading New Orleans ? Will we see Cindy Sheehan swim across lake ponchatrain or will she walk on water pretending to be god ?
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RE: Bush Overflys N.O

Thu Sep 01, 2005 12:50 pm

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 12):

The plane flying over. It is awesome.

You are such good samaritans, what have you done? Got your check book out for the Red Cross? Volunteered your boat?

This is my last post on how you idiots responded to what I said.

M

Dont let them get to you. Its just emotion, not rationality. And by the way, the last time I check the defintion of Awesome was... So I think you choose the correct word to describe this disaster.

1. Inspiring awe: an awesome thunderstorm.
2. Expressing awe: stood in awesome silence before the ancient ruins.
 
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RE: Bush Overflys N.O

Thu Sep 01, 2005 1:04 pm

Quoting RAMPRAT980 (Reply 46):
Are the liberals going to accuse Bush of invading New Orleans

I believe we already made our comments thank you very much.

I believe this thread is done. We all agree that it is in the best interest of the nation no matter what political affiliation one has that the president did this and will do more. As I said above and believe you did not read, this is the action of any leader. It is in the best interest of the people and charged under the president's constitutional duties. End of debate.

Oh and Cindy Sheehan....Comment uncalled-for in this forum. Want to debate her actions...non-aviation please. You can start the thread there and I will meet you.
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RE: Bush Overflys N.O

Thu Sep 01, 2005 1:12 pm

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 40):
I think you're getting the callsign confused with an aircraft type. The "747s" that sometimes serve as Air Force One are VC-25s. Air Force One is any USAF aircraft that the president happens to be on. There are other aircraft in the US Executive Fleet including C-32s (757s), C-12s (Beachcraft Super King Air), C-9s (DC-9s), C-20s (G-IIIs and G-IVs), and C-37s (G-Vs) and, at any moment, any of those or any other USAF aircraft could be Air Force One.

Thanks, my question was pretty silly, after I think about it. It's like saying "does a pilot always fly a plane with wings?" or something silly like that. What I meant was asking if Bush always flies the 747 (VC-25s). I guess the quoted text answers my question.
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