airbuzz
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USA And Israel Relations

Fri Sep 02, 2005 6:24 pm

Hi all,

I've always been curious why the USA have so strong relations with Israel (economics, politics, etc.). What are the historic reasons?

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LY744
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RE: USA And Israel Relations

Sat Sep 03, 2005 4:07 am

Because the evil commies supported Israel's enemies.


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RE: USA And Israel Relations

Sat Sep 03, 2005 4:22 am

I don't want this to come off too political, but I've heard it from a political science professor here at KU and it doesn't surprise me:

Many influential and rich Americans are of the Jewish faith, and they donate a lot of money to politicians on their election campaigns, and after elected, this politicians have the obligation to their contributors to act in a pro-Israeli fashion. Also, my professor said, we've increasingly seen Israel as a place to have a strong, loyal, 24/7 ally in the Middle East.
 
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RE: USA And Israel Relations

Sat Sep 03, 2005 4:56 am

Campaign contributions is the biggest factor. But as i stated in another thread, this has been an off and on relationship with ties only getting stronger in the 70's, and 90's. The 80's were full of years when the Reagan administration went out of its way to fund the terrorists who threatened Israels existence.
 
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RE: USA And Israel Relations

Sat Sep 03, 2005 6:50 am

Many, many reasons. Of course it has something to do with the fact that there are many Jews in the United States, but in my opinion this can't fully explain the relationship. I think it has more to do with the history of the United States, our values, and of course strategic reasons. Also you have to remember that Evangelical Christians are extremely pro-Israel and it is estimated that there are many tens of millions of them in the US.

It is very simple to say that "Rich Jews are the reason the US is pro-Israeli", but at the end of the day, despite the myths of Jewish power, it is extremely difficult for <3% of the US population to build and sustain the special relationship we have with Israel.

In the early years, it was very "in" to be pro-Israeli. Major stars like Frank Sinatra travelled to Israel and fell in love with the country. Israel became the country that everyone loved to love in the early years. It's estimated that 25% of the intelligence the United States received on the USSR in the 1950s came from Israel. Israel delivered major intelligence scores for the United States by stealing Russian-built MIGs, and even obtaining a copy of a secret Soviet speach by Khrushchev that was extremely important to the West.

In the 1970s and especially the 1980s, as Israel's celebrity statues died down, Israel was a major ally in the Middle East. They were a democracy, extremely pro-American, had an amazing military and unlike say Iran, we didn't have to worry about arming them and then having a revolution. Israel became a major strategic ally in the 1980s...Once again as the United States faces major conflicts in the Middle East, Israel has again become a strategic asset of the United States.

Over the years, the low points were with Eisenhower and Bush Senior, with the best years (of the US-Israel relationship) being under Reagan, Clinton, and George W Bush.

Over the many years of relations, many ties have been built. For example, many American first responders now train in Israel. These people come back to their communities in small town America and by just talking about Israel, a bond is built. The more bonds that are built, the stronger the relationship is. Thousands of people, from aircraft technicians to military commandos, interact with Israel and build more bonds.

Perhaps these two webpages explain it better than I do:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/.../US-Israel/roots_of_US-Israel.html

http://www.danielpipes.org/article/282
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RE: USA And Israel Relations

Sat Sep 03, 2005 9:20 am

If jewish funding alone was the reason, then, by that logic, America should be working exclusively for Saudi Arabia. Much more money to be made there.


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RE: USA And Israel Relations

Sat Sep 03, 2005 9:32 am

Quoting SW733 (Reply 2):
Many influential and rich Americans are of the Jewish faith, and they donate a lot of money to politicians on their election campaigns, and after elected, this politicians have the obligation to their contributors to act in a pro-Israeli fashion.

Sounds more like a conspiracy theory.
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RE: USA And Israel Relations

Sat Sep 03, 2005 10:42 pm

Thanks all for the answers. I did know the legend/fact that many rich Jewish lobby the politics. But it is a little strange that few people can change the external US politics.

Thanks RJpieces, very interesting post.
 
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RE: USA And Israel Relations

Tue Sep 06, 2005 6:34 am

If jewish funding alone was the reason, then, by that logic, America should be working exclusively for Saudi Arabia. Much more money to be made there.

Excellent point.

Thanks all for the answers. I did know the legend/fact that many rich Jewish lobby the politics.

Jews lobby, but there are tons of lobbying groups. Other succesful ones include the Armenian Assembly of America and the American Hellenic Educational Professive Association.......There are also Christians who lobby for Israel. Check out:
http://www.ifcj.org/site/PageServer?...ServSessionIdr010=5ci6w3kcm1.app1b

http://christianactionforisrael.org/

Due to ancient stereotypes, many people think of Jews as being all powerful. Hence most people think that the Jewish lobby has far more power than they actually do....Also, many critics of Israel tend to throw around the argument that US couldn't possibly be pro-Israel, thus 60 years of supporting Israel must be because of a bunch of Jews secretly corrupting US foreign policy. AIPAC, the main Jewish lobby, started out with ONE man running everything!

But it is a little strange that few people can change the external US politics

They can't....Many people think they can, but at the end of the day Jews are 3% of the US population. Jews might be able to make campaign contributions...But what about the Congressmen and Senators from Middle America? They aren't pro-Israel because of all those rich Jews in Iowa and Nebraska. What about Senator Sam Brownback of Kansas, a devout Christian who speaks as if he is Israeli? What about Condoleeza Rice...And Donald Rumsfeld. Nobody is forcing them to hold pro-Israeli views....As I said, there will always be people rambling about the mythical power of Jews...Remember, Jews are responsible for Communism and Capitalism. But by any objective look at the facts and history, the Jewish lobby is not the main reason why the US is pro-Israel.
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