Derico
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Why So Long For Help Five Days After Storm?

Sat Sep 03, 2005 12:15 am

I have been watching the crisis on television and I find it incredible that five days after the storm people are still without food or water, not in New Orleans but in the other regions where there is no flooding. I understand what is going on in New Orleans is singularly catastrophic, but even there help could have been sent faster by this point.

What there is absolutely no excuse for is that after FIVE days people in other areas like Mississipi have yet to see the disaster authorities, the relief workers, even the US military arrive in the areas!! Many people there seem have no food not even water, and bodies are lying around without any respect as thieves rummage!

This is not me hyping, that's what Argentine media is reporting, and what I'm seeing with my own eyes in the coverage. That's right, Argentine news networks and even newspapers had arrived in some areas of Mississippi before the US military or anyone else for that matter. They were interviewing a family that was sitting in the rubble of their home, and no help was in sight! They were running out of supplies...

I find that appalling. Hopefully the help now is pouring to those poor people that have nothing and are in hunger.

To see the interview I'm talking about (in Spanish), go to www.tn24.com, and when the pop-up media screen comes up look for the clip filed at 21:05 hours by scrolling down.
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RE: Why So Long For Help Five Days After Storm?

Sat Sep 03, 2005 12:31 am

Quoting Derico (Thread starter):
What there is absolutely no excuse for is that after FIVE days people in other areas like Mississipi have yet to see the disaster authorities, the relief workers, even the US military arrive in the areas!!

Dude,

You have no clue what you are talking about. The folks just down the road from me sent people and aircraft Tuesday morning!!!

Wake up!!

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RE: Why So Long For Help Five Days After Storm?

Sat Sep 03, 2005 12:37 am

WHERE'S THE HELP?

Main title on CNN.com
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RE: Why So Long For Help Five Days After Storm?

Sat Sep 03, 2005 12:43 am

Quoting TUNisia (Reply 2):
WHERE'S THE HELP?

Main title on CNN.com

Key words: CNN.com CNN loves highlighting the negative and supressing the positive, anyone can tell you that.

While yes, there have been misperfections so far, it's also important to remember no one could have ever iagined 80-90 percent of New Orleans being destroyed. Our resue personnel are doing their best, that is all we can ask from them. Our modern society is so used to everything happening at the click of a buttom or the push of a tough pad, well things have changed. 500 cell phone towers have been destroyed in LA alone, think of the logistical problems that we do not even realise, being so far away from ground zero. If you think we are doing suck a poor job right now then get on a plane and go do it better by helping out!

THANK YOU RESCUE PERSONNEL. The majority of us appreciate your efforts. And understand you are only human. God bless.
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RE: Why So Long For Help Five Days After Storm?

Sat Sep 03, 2005 12:49 am

Yes, I too was shocked by the lack of help in such a country as the USA. As the BBC described it, 'It looks like Africa, or the Tsunami, not America'. People are just dying, others stealing food etc from shops with no-one even caring, lutes taking over. Police are giving up, as are the people. How did a country that had had so long to prepare for something like this manage to mess it up like this?

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RE: Why So Long For Help Five Days After Storm?

Sat Sep 03, 2005 12:52 am

Quoting Vanguard737 (Reply 3):
Our resue personnel are doing their best

No question about that!

The thing that still boggles my mind is the ineffective measure taken by people who are high and dry, miles away, with running water and electricity and air conditioning and a Burger King nearby.

The people on the scene, the hospital workers are wonderful, the helicopter crews, terrific. The police, the firemen, the National Guard troopies - gotta love them all!

It is the "leaders" of this operation that most of us are critical of. The operation is probably going along smoothly, considering the unimaginable obstacles to it. It is just three or four or five days behind schedule.

People are going to die of thirst standing ankle-deep in water. We are going to see it happen.

Does it ever occur to anyone to wonder how the news networks managed to get reporters and staff, and satellite links in place when we can't get a truckload of bottled water to the same place?

The simple answer is that it sells a lot of toothpaste and toilet paper getting these images on the air but there is no money to be made saving the lives of poor people.
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RE: Why So Long For Help Five Days After Storm?

Sat Sep 03, 2005 1:04 am

Quoting Vanguard737 (Reply 3):
While yes, there have been misperfections so far, it's also important to remember no one could have ever iagined 80-90 percent of New Orleans being destroyed.

That is totally and completely untrue. It has been known for decades that a large hurricane would likely flood the city as a result of levee failures. Hydrologists and emergency managers have made that perfectly clear to state and federal leaders for years and years and they have failed to act. To suggest that inundation of large parts of NO is a surprise is complete nonsense.
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RE: Why So Long For Help Five Days After Storm?

Sat Sep 03, 2005 1:08 am

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 5):
Does it ever occur to anyone to wonder how the news networks managed to get reporters and staff, and satellite links in place when we can't get a truckload of bottled water to the same place?

Good point.....How did all these Satellite Vans and Mobile Transmission Vans and Trucks able to get through but not the National Guard, FEMA or Relief Supplies ? i am puzzled !
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RE: Why So Long For Help Five Days After Storm?

Sat Sep 03, 2005 1:10 am

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 5):
Does it ever occur to anyone to wonder how the news networks managed to get reporters and staff

The networks (CNN anyway) pulled their people out of NO proper and are using stringers instead (Has anybody heard from the CNN stringer who went to NO alone with a cell phone, SUV, and boat/trailer? Hope he's ok).

I think you overestimate the abilitity of the media to get people into NO. Gupta and O'Brien got into Charity Hosp/MSY, respectively, by hitching a ride with rescue teams. Gupta, a neurosurgeon I believe, is probably helping out -- he operated on GIs in Iraq as I recall.
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RE: Why So Long For Help Five Days After Storm?

Sat Sep 03, 2005 1:38 am

Now, this question may have been posted on another thread, so I apologize ahead of time if it has. How come we can mobilize an entire military unit to be 10,000 miles away in 24 hours, or send a unit in 24 hours to reach a Russian sub that is tangled but we CANNOT seem to get people water for God's sake? These are our own people.....US citizens and they are treated like animals. I am not looking for a Bush vs. whoever flame war on this. I just want to know why we can't take care of our own. Some of the pictures I have seen look like they came right out of Sudan. It is absolutely sickening to hear about people that did what they were told and evacuated to the convention center only to die from dehydration. Are you kidding me? Am I the only one that feels like our priorities have to be pretty screwed up when the response time for a Russian sub is 10 times better than our own people dying in the streets because they don't have any water?

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RE: Why So Long For Help Five Days After Storm?

Sat Sep 03, 2005 1:51 am

Quoting SATL382G (Reply 1):
You have no clue what you are talking about. The folks just down the road from me sent people and aircraft Tuesday morning!!!

Well that is great news. I know the media always shows the worst of the worst. But I still think that after almost a workweek since the storm hit, no areas should unnatended to by now.

I also know that no country could prepare adequately for a once in a century disaster in their country, I understand that the rescue authorities are doing the best they can. It's still very surprising that so many areas still seemed to be isolated as of yesterday evening.
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RE: Why So Long For Help Five Days After Storm?

Sat Sep 03, 2005 2:34 am

Eastern,

Absolutely well said. I was wondering the same. Perhaps the manpower we need is in ... Iraq.
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RE: Why So Long For Help Five Days After Storm?

Sat Sep 03, 2005 3:14 am

Infrastructure. Infrastructure. Infrastructure. Infrastructure.

That is what is needed and what is missing. From the logistical standpoint, the supply chain has several bottlenecks. We have the ability to move massive amounts of people and material across the country in a short amount of time, but once you get to the staging areas, you run into a problem. Access to most of the affected areas is either by helicopter or boat. There are a limited supply of each. You have to prioritize between supply, SAR, ambulance. and repair of the levys to stoping further flooding. All are critically important. How do you divide the efforts? Do you neglect all of them a little, or one in particular? It would be different if there was the possibility of addition support arriving over land, but that does not appear to be the case here.
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RE: Why So Long For Help Five Days After Storm?

Sat Sep 03, 2005 5:05 am

Quoting Eastern L1011 (Reply 9):
Now, this question may have been posted on another thread, so I apologize ahead of time if it has. How come we can mobilize an entire military unit to be 10,000 miles away in 24 hours, or send a unit in 24 hours to reach a Russian sub that is tangled but we CANNOT seem to get people water for God's sake? These are our own people.....US citizens and they are treated like animals. I am not looking for a Bush vs. whoever flame war on this. I just want to know why we can't take care of our own. Some of the pictures I have seen look like they came right out of Sudan. It is absolutely sickening to hear about people that did what they were told and evacuated to the convention center only to die from dehydration. Are you kidding me? Am I the only one that feels like our priorities have to be pretty screwed up when the response time for a Russian sub is 10 times better than our own people dying in the streets because they don't have any water?

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RE: Why So Long For Help Five Days After Storm?

Sat Sep 03, 2005 5:24 am

Quoting SATL382G (Reply 1):
You have no clue what you are talking about. The folks just down the road from me sent people and aircraft Tuesday morning!!!

SATL, Stopping short in Baton Rouge or Gulf port doesn't count. They needed to go to NO, to the superdome, that SHOULD have been the priority.
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RE: Why So Long For Help Five Days After Storm?

Sat Sep 03, 2005 9:49 am

We were there since the beginning.

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RE: Why So Long For Help Five Days After Storm?

Sat Sep 03, 2005 9:55 am

Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 15):
We were there since the beginning.

Signed,
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This point I'll not only conceede, but applaud VERY Loudly!!!
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RE: Why So Long For Help Five Days After Storm?

Sat Sep 03, 2005 10:02 am

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 16):
Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 15):
We were there since the beginning.

Signed,
United States Coast Guard

This point I'll not only conceede, but applaud VERY Loudly!!!
USCG is the Best.. to bad they couldn't A/L 25K people, but I garantee if there was a Dauphin big enough, they would have!!

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RE: Why So Long For Help Five Days After Storm?

Sat Sep 03, 2005 12:14 pm

I'll agree with ya all on this one. The US Coast Guard has been doing a superb job from the word go.
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