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I Give Up On President Bush

Sat Sep 03, 2005 2:41 am

Though I will remain a libertarian who votes most of the time for GOP candidates, I will no longer support President Bush.

It has become painfully obvious to me that he is clearly out of touch with what is going on in the country. Instead of leading, he's wandering. The pictures of his visit to NO are an embarrassment to me.

If this man were a true leader, he'd do the following today:

1. Declare martial law (the ACLU be damned) in NO. After 1 verbal warning and then a warning shot, a shoot to kill policy would apply;

2. Send in armed MP's and military personnel (and necessary hardware) authorized to use whatever force is necessary to restore order within 24 hours. True relief efforts can't materialize while chaos continues to spread;

3. Call for the resignation of FEMA's director, the governor of LA and the mayor of NO. The director of FEMA has demonstrated that this task is beyond his capabilities. He's a public relations nightmare. The LA and NOLA politicians are in my mind criminally negligent for not insisting that the requiste amounts of monies be spent over the years to build the necessary levies and storm protections for what was clearly a foreseeable event. Because of their negligence we all must now pay.

4. Demand that food, water and supplies be immediately made available to the victims using whatever means are necessary. I don't care if we have to air drop MRE's from helicopters - this situation is out of control.

5. Send in whatever it takes to evacuate the hospital (with helicopter gunship support if necessary to take out those pieces of shit that are taking pot shots);

6. Send a measure to Congress to impose a 1% tax surcharge on corporate profits for 2005 specifically earmarked for disaster relief (charitable donations by corporation would count as a tax credit - not a tax deduction - to this amount);

7. Stay the hell out of the area since every second he's there security forces that could be re-establishing order are busy looking after him;

8. Assign Cheney as personally responsible for coordinating these relief efforts;

9. Submit legislation to Congress for the creation of at least 3 new refinery and terminal complexes throughout the United States. This legislation would specifically pre-empt any and all state environmental or zoning requirements but simultaneous require that the construction meet or exceed Kyoto Protocol standards with respect to emmissions. Any construction under taken under this legislation would be eligible for 5-7 MACRS depreciation.

10. Publicly apologize to the victims for his administration's inept handling of the aftermath. He should then tell people not to go on vacation for the Labor Day holiday, instead stay at home and conserve gas.

I don't blame the President for this disaster. I do believe his adminstration is acting without direction and the buck stops with him. Lead, follow or get out of the way. President Bush has done none of these with respect to this disaster.

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RE: I Give Up On President Bush

Sat Sep 03, 2005 3:11 am

Quoting Pope (Thread starter):
8. Assign Cheney as personally responsible for coordinating these relief efforts

Which im turn can get Halliburton to help out!
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RE: I Give Up On President Bush

Sat Sep 03, 2005 3:13 am

Seems you're not alone...
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RE: I Give Up On President Bush

Sat Sep 03, 2005 3:14 am

Quoting Pope (Thread starter):
7. Stay the hell out of the area since every second he's there security forces that could be re-establishing order are busy looking after him;

All though the helicopters could be useful.
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RE: I Give Up On President Bush

Sat Sep 03, 2005 3:17 am

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 3):
All though the helicopters could be useful

The helicopters could go without him.
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RE: I Give Up On President Bush

Sat Sep 03, 2005 3:21 am

Quoting Pope (Thread starter):
1. Declare martial law (the ACLU be damned) in NO. After 1 verbal warning and then a warning shot, a shoot to kill policy would apply;

Funny how Taiwan was able to do that about 5 minutes (okay maybe a few hours) after they got hit bya a typhoon.

Quoting Pope (Thread starter):
The LA and NOLA politicians are in my mind criminally negligent for not insisting that the requiste amounts of monies be spent over the years to build the necessary levies and storm protections for what was clearly a foreseeable event. Because of their negligence we all must now pay.

I am sure that they TRIED but some hard-nosed Republicans, whom own the majority in all relevant decision making institutions, opposed.

Quoting Pope (Thread starter):
7. Stay the hell out of the area since every second he's there security forces that could be re-establishing order are busy looking after him;

Very true. How about sending his own helicopter there to HELP and then he can take the car around DC, when he's actaully there and not in Crawford again.

Quoting Pope (Thread starter):
9. Submit legislation to Congress for the creation of at least 3 new refinery and terminal complexes throughout the United States. This legislation would specifically pre-empt any and all state environmental or zoning requirements but simultaneous require that the construction meet or exceed Kyoto Protocol standards with respect to emmissions. Any construction under taken under this legislation would be eligible for 5-7 MACRS depreciation.

A very good idea.

Quoting Pope (Thread starter):

10. Publicly apologize to the victims for his administration's inept handling of the aftermath. He should then tell people not to go on vacation for the Labor Day holiday, instead stay at home and conserve gas.

Yeah, maybe he should stay in DC then, too and not go to Crawford, as he for sure will.
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RE: I Give Up On President Bush

Sat Sep 03, 2005 3:32 am

Quoting Ushermittwoch (Reply 5):
I am sure that they TRIED but some hard-nosed Republicans, whom own the majority in all relevant decision making institutions, opposed.

Care to substantiate that statement? LA has been a long-time bastion of Democratic party politics and control.

The truth is that local politicians would never support building the protections necessary because it would surely mean higher property taxes for the people who vote them into and out of office. Therefore, instead of having the citizens who live in the area pay to protect their homes, all Americans must now pay to clean it up.
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RE: I Give Up On President Bush

Sat Sep 03, 2005 3:55 am

I was (and am still) personally shocked when I heard that he was going to Alabama, Mississippi, and Louisiana personally. It's one thing to survey things from the sky, but another to be on the ground, getting in the way of efforts, and taking manpower away from wherever it's needed. I mean, come on GW, I'm not your biggest fan to begin with, but this certainly makes you look like a completely selfish fool...that's my opinion at least.
 
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RE: I Give Up On President Bush

Sat Sep 03, 2005 4:22 am

Quoting Pope (Thread starter):
3. Call for the resignation of FEMA's director, the governor of LA and the mayor of NO. The director of FEMA has demonstrated that this task is beyond his capabilities. He's a public relations nightmare. The LA and NOLA politicians are in my mind criminally negligent for not insisting that the requiste amounts of monies be spent over the years to build the necessary levies and storm protections for what was clearly a foreseeable event. Because of their negligence we all must now pay.

I agree with all of your points except this one and the tax one. Even this point is valid except for the resignation of Mayor Nagin. He was on the radio yesterday telling the Feds to "get off their asses." He has been on Washington's case since day 1, but I don't see what more he can do. He even called for a moratoriam on press conferences by the LA governor until she and W get 40000 troops to NO.
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RE: I Give Up On President Bush

Sat Sep 03, 2005 4:33 am

Quoting Pope (Thread starter):
I don't blame the President for this disaster.

Good, I was wondering for a second. It's obvious no body knew what the hell was going on. There was a period of shock and destruction. Communications broke down so there had a to be a period before officials could get the word out about their status and their needs. They can't control crime. Some helicopters and planes didn't want to operate in the area because of fears of being shot down by people trying to get the food so that slowed things down. The president said he is doing what he can and the help is coming. He has no control over mother nature, why do we have to put some sort of blame on GW?
 
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RE: I Give Up On President Bush

Sat Sep 03, 2005 4:33 am

Quoting Pope (Thread starter):
3. Call for the resignation of FEMA's director, the governor of LA and the mayor of NO. The director of FEMA has demonstrated that this task is beyond his capabilities. He's a public relations nightmare. The LA and NOLA politicians are in my mind criminally negligent for not insisting that the requiste amounts of monies be spent over the years to build the necessary levies and storm protections for what was clearly a foreseeable event. Because of their negligence we all must now pay.

Nahhh...that mayor is the only person who's stepping up to do what he can. I admire him for it. The Governor only just took office a short time ago, so why is she to blame for decisions made/not made well before she took office?

Although I supported Bush twice, and th war, I will say that it's time to bring every national guardsman back here and put them in NO. They were trained for that kind of shit, not f-ing patrolling shitholes like Baghdad.
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RE: I Give Up On President Bush

Sat Sep 03, 2005 4:34 am

Quoting Pope (Thread starter):
1. Declare martial law (the ACLU be damned) in NO. After 1 verbal warning and then a warning shot, a shoot to kill policy would apply;

So, Constitution and American Law be damned as well?

Quoting Pope (Thread starter):
FEMA's director

The guy is an overblown construction foreman, not a miracle worker. They need to take this out of his hands and work on stabilizing the situation first

Quoting Pope (Thread starter):
the governor of LA and the mayor of NO.

Governor Blanco has done all she can in coordinating what she can from Baton Rouge. She commands one of the poorest states in the nation and has had no help from the federal government, only budget cuts. As far as Mayor Nagin goes, you are completely and totally off base. He has done every single thing in his power to fight for his city and save lives. The problem is, he is limited in what he can do and needs help he has not gotten

Quoting Pope (Thread starter):
The director of FEMA has demonstrated that this task is beyond his capabilities.

Most of the current task is something he does not have the resources to do

Quoting Pope (Thread starter):
The LA and NOLA politicians are in my mind criminally negligent for not insisting that the requiste amounts of monies be spent over the years to build the necessary levies and storm protections for what was clearly a foreseeable event

Oh really? I suppose Congress and the President are criminally negligent for the cuts in levee and hurricane preparedness funding over the past several years. Oh, wait, they are Republicans and not responsible for everything

Quoting Pope (Thread starter):
8. Assign Cheney as personally responsible for coordinating these relief efforts

You are kidding. He would probably have another heart attack climbing the air stairs and flush so much money down the toilet known as Haliburton, it would not be funny

Quoting Pope (Reply 6):
Care to substantiate that statement? LA has been a long-time bastion of Democratic party politics and control.

So, David Vitter is a Democrat now? BTW, the statement was made about Republicans in the US Congress along with those who control the state house
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RE: I Give Up On President Bush

Sat Sep 03, 2005 4:38 am

Bush like any president is walking a fine line, Either he stays out of the way and is accused of being uncaring by the wacked out left, or he goes and is accused of being a distraction to the rescuers by the wacked out left.

In many ways he can't wing, flying over the damage just doesn't satisfy those who claim he should visit.

So he did the only thing he could, wait a few days for the initial rescue efforts to get a foothold and then vist.
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RE: I Give Up On President Bush

Sat Sep 03, 2005 4:44 am

This is what happens when you have a smal federal sector.
When something like Katrina comes to a country like USA,
everybody is more or less helpless.
We who live in western Europe are more prepared.

And when you have so many people from the National Guard in Iraq...
 
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RE: I Give Up On President Bush

Sat Sep 03, 2005 5:02 am

So what qualifications do you have that makes you better able to handle the situation than those presently in charge?
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RE: I Give Up On President Bush

Sat Sep 03, 2005 5:07 am

Quoting Bofredrik (Reply 13):
This is what happens when you have a smal federal sector.
When something like Katrina comes to a country like USA,
everybody is more or less helpless.
We who live in western Europe are more prepared.

If this is so, please explain how over 15,000 French died from a heat wave -- not the 3rd most intense hurricane in Atlantic history --just two years ago:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/08/29/world/main570810.shtml

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RE: I Give Up On President Bush

Sat Sep 03, 2005 5:18 am

Quoting Pope (Thread starter):
If this man were a true leader, he'd do the following today:

So as a Libertarian, you're advocating a course of action that is totally Unconstitutional and one only a dictator would do?

Your ideas are a gross violation of all state/Fed jurisdictional laws,

Where I fault the President is in not having put the screws to Blanco and Nagin early--even before Katrina hit--to ensure they were ready and having a plan of action for Federal intervention if necessary. On all counts, all levels of government failed.

I hate to see what would happen--God forbid--if we had another terrorist attack.

Talking heads like Chertoff, the empty suit, and the FEMA head, on up to the President himself, would be on TV talking about it as if it were a chess match while people die almost literally in front of their very eyes.
 
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RE: I Give Up On President Bush

Sat Sep 03, 2005 5:24 am

Quoting Bofredrik (Reply 13):
We who live in western Europe are more prepared.

This is a lesson for us all.Here,earthquakes(Cal) are the norm.But at
least we have access to food and water.Nothing like NO where everything is underwater.

Back to the thread topic.In protest,I'm voting democrat next time.I'm
very disappointed in the administration handling of the disaster.No
concern what so ever that people were dying,getting rape or
people had no access to food or water.

I say recall!
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RE: I Give Up On President Bush

Sat Sep 03, 2005 5:29 am

Quoting Bofredrik (Reply 13):
This is what happens when you have a smal federal sector.
When something like Katrina comes to a country like USA,
everybody is more or less helpless.
We who live in western Europe are more prepared.

You spewed this same crap in another thread.  taekwondo 
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RE: I Give Up On President Bush

Sat Sep 03, 2005 5:32 am

Quoting Checkraiser (Reply 18):
You spewed this same crap in another thread

That wasn't spewed crap, it was a valid opinion that is logically supported.
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RE: I Give Up On President Bush

Sat Sep 03, 2005 5:39 am

I think the president is doing a great job. what would you expect him to do? wave a magic wand and make all this enormous suffering dissapear? If he could he would, I'm sure. Where the hell is the mayor of New Orleans???? Ray Nagin?? Do you think Rudy Giulianni would have handled it the same way? Don't think so. Ray is the anti-Giulianni. How many of you have seen him hold press briefings? aside from his understandable rant on the radio last night. He is the David Dinkins of New Orleans. totally ineffective. and the governor? Has anyone seen her on tv? i've been watching CNN/Fox/CNBC, etc. and NO STATE OR LOCAL OFFICIAL HAS BEEN ON SCREEN giving instructions. Giulianni and Pataki were on TV multiple times a day giving assurance and instruction.

Blame Bush, that is easy. but let's pass the blame around fairly.
 
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RE: I Give Up On President Bush

Sat Sep 03, 2005 5:43 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 19):
That wasn't spewed crap, it was a valid opinion that is logically supported.

I think B2707SST unvalidated it.

Quoting B2707SST (Reply 15):
If this is so, please explain how over 15,000 French died from a heat wave

And how did he logically support it?
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RE: I Give Up On President Bush

Sat Sep 03, 2005 6:04 am

Quoting Pope (Thread starter):
Someone please go check on Falcon84 who I'm sure has fainted because of my declaration.

Me too, damn, now I got a bump on my head  Sad

Quoting Checkraiser (Reply 8):
He even called for a moratoriam on press conferences by the LA governor until she and W get 40000 troops to NO.

 thumbsup 

Quoting StevenUhl777 (Reply 10):
I will say that it's time to bring every national guardsman back here and put them in NO.

Ummm Nope.. As DUMB as having the national Guard over there at a time like this IS, yanking them out is even MORE foolish. Maybe one of these days W will stand trial for lying to the American public too.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 11):

So, Constitution and American Law be damned as well?

Yeap, extreme times call for extreme measures.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 11):
They need to take this out of his hands and work on stabilizing the situation first

Oh you mean like they did before HE PRETENDED to take it out of their hands today?!?  Yeah sure
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RE: I Give Up On President Bush

Sat Sep 03, 2005 6:09 am

Quoting StevenUhl777 (Reply 10):
Nahhh...that mayor is the only person who's stepping up to do what he can.

After he was the one who dropped the ball by performing a completely ineffective evacuation. Sounds like he's wanting to blame everyone except himself (there is plenty to go around)

Quoting StevenUhl777 (Reply 10):
I will say that it's time to bring every national guardsman back here and put them in NO.

The U.S. military numbers around 2 million, and about 150,000 are in Iraq. So some 90% are still available.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 11):
So, Constitution and American Law be damned as well?

You're defending Bush's position? I may feint!

Quoting L-188 (Reply 12):
Bush like any president is walking a fine line, Either he stays out of the way and is accused of being uncaring by the wacked out left, or he goes and is accused of being a distraction to the rescuers by the wacked out left.

Absolutely agree. Monday-morning quarterbacking, as you people call it, with the predefined conclusion that Bush is wrong.

Quoting Bofredrik (Reply 13):
We who live in western Europe are more prepared.

When was the last Force 5 Hurricane to hit Europe? And I remember an awful lot of people dying in the Netherlands when their dikes burst some 30-40 years ago, and they don't even have the excuse of a hurricane.

I'm not saying that the NO situation is not dangerously out of control. But the U.S. has survived countless hurricanes, including Cat 5 ones, and the impacted area was back in order and rebuilding within a couple of days. The problem here - in case you missed it - is a rather large quantity of water on the ground, in some places 30 feet deep. Even Dutch, German, or French troops and cops might have a problem with that situation.

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RE: I Give Up On President Bush

Sat Sep 03, 2005 6:13 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 12):
Either he stays out of the way and is accused of being uncaring by the wacked out left, or he goes and is accused of being a distraction to the rescuers by the wacked out left.

Typical conservative drivel. People under your conservative administration are dying in the streets, and we are whacked out? You'll be alright.

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 14):
So what qualifications do you have that makes you better able to handle the situation than those presently in charge?

More drivel. Everyone has their own reponsibilities. I can't paint, but I'm capable of criticizing a painting. I'm not the director of FEMA or a politician, but I recognize chaos and people dying in the streets, and anyone can criticize our response without having the ability to do a better job. I do my job well, and I demand that everyone else do the same.
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RE: I Give Up On President Bush

Sat Sep 03, 2005 6:22 am

Quoting Slider (Reply 16):
Your ideas are a gross violation of all state/Fed jurisdictional laws,

Name one constitutional provision that would be violated - not what you think would be violated but cite for me on single Supreme Court holding that would make any of these proposed actions unconstitutional.

The US Supreme Court has held that a declaration of martial law is permissible when civilian authorities have lost control (I don't have the exact reference available right now but I believe the case is Ex parte Milligan).

Quoting Checkraiser (Reply 8):
Even this point is valid except for the resignation of Mayor Nagin. He was on the radio yesterday telling the Feds to "get off their asses." He has been on Washington's case since day 1, but I don't see what more he can do. He even called for a moratoriam on press conferences by the LA governor until she and W get 40000 troops to NO.

I call for the resignation of the Governor and the Mayor because they were negligent in preparing their citizenry. It was criminally negligent for these two officials (and there predecessors from either political party) to have only prepared to deal with a Cat 3 storm. Everyone knew it was a matter of time before a Cat 5 storm hit - yet because they were politically unwilling to deal with the fall out of higher property taxes to fund infrastructure improvements (and yes, they should be funded by property taxes from the people who choose to live there), they built their city on a deck of cards.

No matter how hard they scream now, this loss of life was completely preventable. I applaud them for their behavior after the storm but this was a clearly foreseeable event. They chose to ignore it hoping that the burden would fall to a successor. Now all Americans bear the burden of their choice.

[Edited 2005-09-02 23:23:00]

[Edited 2005-09-02 23:23:50]
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RE: I Give Up On President Bush

Sat Sep 03, 2005 6:31 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 11):
So, David Vitter is a Democrat now? BTW, the statement was made about Republicans in the US Congress along with those who control the state house

David Vitter is the Junior Senator from LA - don't try to bullshit us all with this ridiculous argument. I don't think the lack of preparedness suddenly occured when he got elected. In any case, in our governmental structure flood protecting is a local concern and as such should be addressed by city and state leaders.

The Discovery Channel recently ran a show on the flood protection in the Netherlands. Over the past 50 years the country has spent over US$3 TRILLION in (2004 dollars) on flood protection. They've taken a proactive approach at dealing with this situation. American political leaders (particularly local leaders) would never advocate this sort of spending because their local electorate would vote their asses out of office.
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RE: I Give Up On President Bush

Sat Sep 03, 2005 6:32 am

Quoting Pope (Thread starter):
1. Declare martial law (the ACLU be damned) in NO. After 1 verbal warning and then a warning shot, a shoot to kill policy would apply;

Why the warning? If these thugs are walking the streets with weapons no need for that. Put them down on the spot. We are trying to restore order in a place that is out of control. Schools out.

Quoting Pope (Thread starter):
2. Send in armed MP's and military personnel (and necessary hardware) authorized to use whatever force is necessary to restore order within 24 hours. True relief efforts can't materialize while chaos continues to spread;

Now your talking.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 11):
So, Constitution and American Law be damned as well?

Well the situation was grave, the police were not able to handle it. That means your staring anarchy in the face. Time to do what has to be done.
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RE: I Give Up On President Bush

Sat Sep 03, 2005 6:34 am

Quoting Bofredrik (Reply 13):
This is what happens when you have a smal federal sector.
When something like Katrina comes to a country like USA,
everybody is more or less helpless.
We who live in western Europe are more prepared.

And when you have so many people from the National Guard in Iraq...

What was the last major natural disaster europe had? Inform me, because I dont know... We have the resources.. we appreciate any resources given to us.. People are just ill informed and dont understand the logistical problem in deploying that volume of aid to 3 states bigger than most of the countries in Europe
 
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RE: I Give Up On President Bush

Sat Sep 03, 2005 7:02 am

Just to let anyone know who did not catch this on CNN earlier.....

A General who was on a phone interview got a little pissed when he was asked why it took so long to get to the devastation and would have been better to not have as many National Guard people in Irag...

His reply

I am tired of hearing we have too many National Guard people in Iraq. We have 90,000 over there and in the States we have 310,000 on call. We got here as fast as we could given the disaster just getting here. It takes a day or 2 for them to tell their job and be deployed. Let alone getting trucks through streets that are not there anymore....

The General himself was from LA, and he said two thirds of the States National Guard were here.

I guess that solves the mystery of how many of the National Guard in the U.S. are over seas.

[Edited 2005-09-03 00:04:00]
 
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RE: I Give Up On President Bush

Sat Sep 03, 2005 7:41 am

Quoting Ushermittwoch (Reply 5):
Quoting Pope (Thread starter):
The LA and NOLA politicians are in my mind criminally negligent for not insisting that the requiste amounts of monies be spent over the years to build the necessary levies and storm protections for what was clearly a foreseeable event. Because of their negligence we all must now pay.


I am sure that they TRIED but some hard-nosed Republicans, whom own the majority in all relevant decision making institutions, opposed.

New Orleans flood control programs have been underfunded for more than 30 years. Democrats are just as culpable as Republicans.
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RE: I Give Up On President Bush

Sat Sep 03, 2005 7:42 am

Oh boy, looks like we have MD-90 junior.
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