vanguard737
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Death Total Estimated: At Least 10,000!

Sat Sep 03, 2005 4:17 am

Lousiana Senator David Vitter (R) has reportedly estimated the Lousiana dead to be at least 10,000. Absolutely terrible. Please post updates here as you here them!

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EddieGunsmoke
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Sat Sep 03, 2005 4:22 am

Damn, I never thought it would be THAT bad. Terrible, absolutely terrible.
 
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Sat Sep 03, 2005 4:29 am

Hold the phone on the final tally folks. It may not be nearly that bad. 9/11 casualties were estimated at nearly 25,000 in the hours following the attacks and didn't turn out to be nearly that.
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Sat Sep 03, 2005 4:30 am

Yeah, I definately would take that estimate with a big grain of salt.
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vanguard737
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Sat Sep 03, 2005 4:30 am

Very good point, Boeing nut!

Lets hope you're right
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AsstChiefMark
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Sat Sep 03, 2005 4:33 am

On Tuesday, I said 10,000. I'm sticking to that number.

$40 billion in damage, too.

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Evan767
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Sat Sep 03, 2005 4:40 am

Don't forget all the diseases to follow. ie. Hiroshima
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EddieGunsmoke
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Sat Sep 03, 2005 4:45 am

I don't think Hiroshima should be compared to this.
 
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Sat Sep 03, 2005 4:56 am

Quoting EddieGunsmoke (Reply 7):
I don't think Hiroshima should be compared to this.

he's not talking about Hiroshima itself. he's talking about the spread of disease. that's raw sewage these people are wading in.

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Sat Sep 03, 2005 5:25 am

I understand. I was refering to the radiation that took so many lifes. If you count that as a disease. But I understand what he meant now.
 
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Sat Sep 03, 2005 5:53 am

Quoting STLGph (Reply 8):
he's not talking about Hiroshima itself. he's talking about the spread of disease. that's raw sewage these people are wading in.

I hate to say it, but it isn't only sewage that spreads disease. The Hiroshima reference is about dead bodies spreading all sorts of diseases I think, but please correct me if I'm wrong. Same problem in SE Asia after the Tsunami hit.

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lijnden
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Sat Sep 03, 2005 8:25 am

Just saw the official numbers of dead on the news in all regions to be at 479. I am sure it will rise. Media often blow up numbers to gain viewers.
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Sat Sep 03, 2005 8:32 am

Quoting Lijnden (Reply 11):
Media often blow up numbers to gain viewers.

I see the opposite.

They could show on live TV a fullly-loaded 747 nosedive into the ground in a fireball and a minute later say, "We don't know if there are any injuries. Let's hope that everyone made it out safely."

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Sat Sep 03, 2005 8:42 am

Quoting Boeing Nut (Reply 2):
Hold the phone on the final tally folks. It may not be nearly that bad. 9/11 casualties were estimated at nearly 25,000 in the hours following the attacks and didn't turn out to be nearly that.

i remember that the estimates were even higher after 9/11. i think maybe it is also a morale issue. Estimate a lot so the final number does not seem that high in comparison

In any case I as well did not realize Katrina's effects were so bad.
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Sat Sep 03, 2005 8:45 am

Quoting Lijnden (Reply 11):
Media often blow up numbers to gain viewers.

After 9/11 the official numbers were way high and it was the media who first got the correct estimates.

The newspapers did their own investigations by contacting survivors and the businesses operating in the WTC, and they accounted for about 2,000 victims when the "official" number was about double that. Eventually the official numbers came down and they were close to what the newspapers said.
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Sat Sep 03, 2005 9:09 am

This is a terrible disaster. My thoughts to all the victims.
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RE: Death Total Estimated: At Least 10,000!

Sat Sep 03, 2005 9:34 am

I do NOT understand that Senator. While it is becoming obvious that there are thousands of people dead, it is not the time to speak about "totals". What earlier on in Miami looked like a "usual" hurricane now has become a big-scale disaster, but to talk about "totals" reduces the victims to NUMBERS .
 
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RE: Death Total Estimated: At Least 10,000!

Sat Sep 03, 2005 6:58 pm

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 13):
i remember that the estimates were even higher after 9/11. i think maybe it is also a morale issue. Estimate a lot so the final number does not seem that high in comparison

Standard procedure. Estimate too little, and people will jump up and down on your head because you didn't have a firm grasp on the situation. Estimate too much, while people may think you're a little stupid, they will still be relieved.

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RE: Death Total Estimated: At Least 10,000!

Sat Sep 03, 2005 8:47 pm

I wouldn't be surprised of numbers exceeding 10,000 total dead from Katrina, once house to house searches of New Orleans, other devestated areas in the affected region are searched after flooding subsides and cleanup begins. In the meantime, you have many 1,000's with pre-existing diseases and illnesses that died do to a lack of medical care they needed on an ongoing basis or emergency care. You have whom knows how many people whom got trapped in their homes, including in the attics, are handicapped and couldn't move fast enough to evacuate, couldn't be removed from them earlier and have died. Some here commented that with 9/11, just at the WTC site, officials and media estimated that day and for a few following days, there could have been 10,000 killed. Fortuntally, the time of day, a very high percentage of escapes below the impacted floors, reviews of those considered missing, later reduced the numbers to the 2,900 at that site.
The next 2-3 months will be terrible. We may also see many thousands indirectly dead in this disaster from disease, injuries, limited access to medical care, no health insurance, or killing themselves from the stress to their bodies and minds.
 
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RE: Death Total Estimated: At Least 10,000!

Sat Sep 03, 2005 8:58 pm

Once again, this whole thing feels strange; just like after the tsunami. Of course I feel for the victims, and wish them all the best, but to a certain degree I feel unconnected. I've never been to New Orleans (like I had never been to Thailand etc. when the tsunami hit) but have only heard how great the city is/was; same for Thailand and the other cuntries, again.

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RE: Death Total Estimated: At Least 10,000!

Mon Sep 05, 2005 2:20 am

Quoting Aloges (Reply 19):
I've never been to New Orleans

I have been to that great city three times, and feel with the city and its folks. It in fact is my favourite. I therefore look forward to its revival.

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