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Katrina TOONs: A Day Late And $1 Short Edition

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RE: Katrina TOONs: A Day Late And $1 Short Edition

Sun Sep 04, 2005 3:48 am

AWESOME!!!

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RE: Katrina TOONs: A Day Late And $1 Short Edition

Sun Sep 04, 2005 4:48 am

Awesome if you are prejudiced.

As anyone knows, it always takes 2 or 3 days for federal forces to arrive on the scene in force after a disaster. The federal government is a huge machine that takes a long time to orient itself and move men and material across the country.

The primary responsibility for those first few days rests with the state and local authorities to ensure that they can hang on for those couple of days. The state governor has full authority to mobilise the National Guard. The city mayor (especially in a zone known to be vulnerable to disaster, such as NO) has the responsibility to ensure that evacuation plans are up to date, and that his law enforcement facilities are fully mobilized, capable and motivated to provide security for those initial days until reinforcements can arrive.

The mayor of New Orleans did a half-assed job of the evacuation, in spite of having at least two days' warning, and a full day to execute the evacuation order when it was given on Sunday morning (after Bush urged the Governor to do it). His administration seemed more concerned with lining their pockets than preparing evac procedures and ensuring that his police force were motivated and equipped. The city apparently had no boats - something you would expect to be obvious in a zone living below sea level and sandwiched between 3 bodies of water at a higher elevation. His police officers were so ill-trained and poorly paid and motivated that most of them went AWOL when the going got tough.

The governor could have sent in the national guard ahead of the storm, but did not. Every time she gets in front of the camera, it seems like she's fighting back tears. What wonderful leadership!

Bush actually did more than either one of these people - declaring a state of emergency well before the storm struck ensuring the slow wheels of the federal government started moving in the right direction. He was the one who urged the evacuation of NO. Bush deserves some blame as CinC for not ensuring that the military could move faster, and to ensure that at least initial supply drops were made on all high-ground points where people would obviously congregate. He also deserves some blame for not fully funding the levee reinforcements (although I understand that one such program has already been approved and fully funded, but work had not yet begun.)

And let's not forget the dimwits who decided to stay in NO after the order to evacuate. They should have been forced out, and all those people without transport or money to leave should have been loaded up in chartered buses, flatbed trucks, and whatever else the city could get their hands on.

So there is plenty of blame to pass around, but most of all it belongs on the heads of the Governor and the Mayor. The Mayor in particularly has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to be utterly incompetent - His sudden loud and outraged demands for help on Wednesday followed two days of him saying that he was handling things. Clearly he's trying to cover up how incompetent he has been by blaming it on everyone else. He deserves to be stripped of office, at the very least.

But in the cartoons above, all I see is "Bush's Fault". As usual.

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RE: Katrina TOONs: A Day Late And $1 Short Edition

Sun Sep 04, 2005 4:58 am

I loved these cartoons. They really hit hard in a way I look at Politics. While the magnitude of this storm would have 'swamped' any efforts, more could have been done to get more out (like using all of the city and school busses in N.O. that instead ended up in flood waters). Federal, State and Local governments should have had disaster plans. There should have been more money to improve the levys, instead of being diverted to tax cuts and the war in Iraq. Also, more limits on development throughout the region, eliminating wetlands and putting more buildings and people in harms way.
 
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RE: Katrina TOONs: A Day Late And $1 Short Edition

Sun Sep 04, 2005 5:12 am

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 2):
Awesome if you are prejudiced.

pot-kettle-black

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 2):
As anyone knows, "Bush's Fault". As usual.

Blah blah blah blah blah blah... Man I thought I had verbal diarrhea.

It's a series of CARTOONS: get over it.
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RE: Katrina TOONs: A Day Late And $1 Short Edition

Sun Sep 04, 2005 5:35 am

hey... bush signed up for the job.. now he has to eat the soap
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RE: Katrina TOONs: A Day Late And $1 Short Edition

Sun Sep 04, 2005 5:37 am

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 2):
As anyone knows, it always takes 2 or 3 days for federal forces to arrive on the scene in force after a disaster.

Utter nonsense. Besides, it took 4-5 days for them to come with help.

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 2):
The federal government is a huge machine that takes a long time to orient itself and move men and material across the country.

Not if there is a capable Federal Crisis Squad.

I don't wish to point a finger at anyone, but the lack of help and the results are too difficult to bear to come with cheap excuses and unqualified generalisations.

The victims need support not the US administration, and I'm not one of those who blame the President for playing guitar.
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RE: Katrina TOONs: A Day Late And $1 Short Edition

Sun Sep 04, 2005 5:51 am

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 6):
Not if there is a capable Federal Crisis Squad.

A squad? A SQUAD!?!?!?

You are talking about a whole city - not to mention the whole 90,000 square miles of disaster area! You don't need a squad - you need several divisions! And I dare you you show me a single instance in history where a formation the size of a division or larger was mobilized in peacetime, positioned near the target area and then drive into the target in just a few days.

Not to mention that there was only one road into NO, and the most useful vehicles for the army to have are shallow-bottom boats, not trucks.

I am awaiting your suggestions on how you move that many trrops and their equipment so fast.

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RE: Katrina TOONs: A Day Late And $1 Short Edition

Sun Sep 04, 2005 5:57 am

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 7):
shallow-bottom boats, not trucks.

Then why did they show up with trucks yesterday???
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RE: Katrina TOONs: A Day Late And $1 Short Edition

Sun Sep 04, 2005 6:51 am

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 7):
A squad? A SQUAD!?!?!?

You are talking about a whole city - not to mention the whole 90,000 square miles of disaster area! You don't need a squad - you need several divisions!

I was talking a bout a small crisis squad that organises help contrary to you talking about the "huge machine" called "federal government".

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 7):
And I dare you you show me a single instance in history where a formation the size of a division or larger was mobilized in peacetime, positioned near the target area and then drive into the target in just a few days.

Hamburg, somewhen in the early 60ies.
The affected area was smaller, but so was the army, not to mention that this happened before a man set his foot on the moon.

Evacuation of tourists who survived the 2004 tsunami started only three days after the islands were flooded and the tsunami was neither foreseenable nor did it happen in the USA, a "1st world country" with a large and modern army and coast guard at their front door.

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 7):
Not to mention that there was only one road into NO

Helicopters and cargo planes are already invented.
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RE: Katrina TOONs: A Day Late And $1 Short Edition

Sun Sep 04, 2005 6:53 am

HYSTERICAL!

my favorite was the Terri Schiavo one.

so very very true.
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RE: Katrina TOONs: A Day Late And $1 Short Edition

Sun Sep 04, 2005 7:11 am

In Mexico the army is mobilized (and the terrain is WAy more abrupt than USA) within 24 hours for floods, quakes, hurricanes and such, 6 weeks ago we had a hurricane go to Can Cun and then to Tamaulipas ( just south of brownsville Texas).
Heck we even had the army helping here in mexico city due to record rainfalls for 3 days and I did not know about it!!

If We can, surely the worlds superpower can.

BTW great cartoons!
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RE: Katrina TOONs: A Day Late And $1 Short Edition

Sun Sep 04, 2005 7:13 am

 rotfl 

I did need that laugh; combined with this my day is made... "Operation Bureaucratic Clusterfuck"  Silly
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RE: Katrina TOONs: A Day Late And $1 Short Edition

Sun Sep 04, 2005 7:42 am

Excellent.

Funny as hell.
I like the Self Serve, Full Serve, Lip Serve one. . . excellent.

Thanks for the laugh!

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RE: Katrina TOONs: A Day Late And $1 Short Edition

Sun Sep 04, 2005 7:58 am

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 2):
As anyone knows, it always takes 2 or 3 days for federal forces to arrive on the scene in force after a disaster.

Yes, after a surprise disaster like an earthquake, an explosion or a Tsunami. Not after a disaster that was predicted by authorities themselves 36 hours in advance. In this case, I would expect forces to be there the next day - not 5-6 days later.

(Btw, I love sentences starting with "As anyone knows...". Usually tell a lot about their author already.)

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 2):
all I see is "Bush's Fault". As usual.

Yes, but unlike as usual, many voices from outside the Bush-bashing-corner join the chorus this time. Check this for example.
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RE: Katrina TOONs: A Day Late And $1 Short Edition

Sun Sep 04, 2005 8:20 am

Quoting ZakHH (Reply 14):
Check this for example.

Modo (as cute as I think she is) is NOBODY'S Friend. She Flamed the $hit out of Clinton when he deserved it, and this is not the first attack of W by her by a long shot.
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RE: Katrina TOONs: A Day Late And $1 Short Edition

Sun Sep 04, 2005 3:46 pm

Quoting ZakHH (Reply 14):
Yes, after a surprise disaster like an earthquake, an explosion or a Tsunami. Not after a disaster that was predicted by authorities themselves 36 hours in advance. In this case, I would expect forces to be there the next day - not 5-6 days later.

Please show me examples of where the military arrived in force after a hurricane any faster than they did here.
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RE: Katrina TOONs: A Day Late And $1 Short Edition

Sun Sep 04, 2005 6:27 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 13):
Excellent.

Funny as hell.

Isn't that your BAFDT in the "Investigating High Gas Prices" cartoon?  Smile

They're all funny, but I think the second one is great.

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