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Expose In Times-Picayune In 2002 Clearly Stated It

Sun Sep 04, 2005 8:08 am

Expose in Times-Picayune in 2002 clearly stated it

http://www.nola.com/washingaway/

This link is to a 5-part series by The New Orleans Times-Picayune titled Washing Away as published in 2002.

It clearly states:

There currently is no defense against a surge from a major storm, a Category 4 or Category 5 hurricane on the Saffir-Simpson scale used by meteorologists.

Apparently the Mayor didn’t read that. And if he did, he failed to heed those words.

Creating this expose helps explain why the Times-Picayune’s site has stayed up and running.
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RE: Expose In Times-Picayune In 2002 Clearly Stated It

Sun Sep 04, 2005 8:25 am

Quoting FlyingTexan (Thread starter):

Apparently the Mayor didn’t read that. And if he did, he failed to heed those words.

 redflag 

How many times did ACE request the funding and how many times was Iraq given priority?

If the people of AMS/Holland can do it, so can we, if we CHOOSE TO.
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RE: Expose In Times-Picayune In 2002 Clearly Stated It

Sun Sep 04, 2005 8:40 am

Quoting FlyingTexan (Thread starter):
Apparently the Mayor didn’t read that. And if he did, he failed to heed those words.

Learn your Public Affairs. The Mayor is not the one to blame for the levees.
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RE: Expose In Times-Picayune In 2002 Clearly Stated It

Sun Sep 04, 2005 8:52 am

Quoting STLGph (Reply 2):
Quoting FlyingTexan (Thread starter):
Apparently the Mayor didn’t read that. And if he did, he failed to heed those words.

Learn your Public Affairs. The Mayor is not the one to blame for the levees.

True. But the Mayor was responsible for initial response to disasters and other emergencies. And it is obvious that he and his administration had no plan for dealing with the category IV storm.
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RE: Expose In Times-Picayune In 2002 Clearly Stated It

Sun Sep 04, 2005 8:53 am

Let’s think big picture here.

Evacuation.

Army Corps of Engineers responsible for that?
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RE: Expose In Times-Picayune In 2002 Clearly Stated It

Sun Sep 04, 2005 8:58 am

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 4):
Let’s think big picture here.

Evacuation.

Smells like a subject change all of a sudden... hummm Nasty..
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RE: Expose In Times-Picayune In 2002 Clearly Stated It

Sun Sep 04, 2005 9:31 am

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 1):
How many times did ACE request the funding and how many times was Iraq given priority?

Interesting theory except the problem in New Orleans has been around for decades and we've only been saddled with the Iraq problem for the last couple of years. Even if, as you believe, funding for Iraq somehow added to the problem in New Orleans it is unlikely that any such delayed/unfunded project would have been complete in time for Katrina.

Perrsonally I think it's safe to say that a project to really secure New Orleans would have taken 25 - 30 years from start of design to completion (look at Big Dig and NY water project history). So Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush the first, Clinton, Bush the second, respective Congresses/Govs/State Legislatures were all "eating breakfast while...."  Smile
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RE: Expose In Times-Picayune In 2002 Clearly Stated It

Sun Sep 04, 2005 10:27 am

No, this is not a subject change. This is relating to a quote from the Article. This quote:

There currently is no defense against a surge from a major storm, a Category 4 or Category 5 hurricane on the Saffir-Simpson scale used by meteorologists.

You brought up Army Corps of Engineers. Maybe Army Corps of Engineers could eventually provide a solution – many years, possibly decades down the road. Maybe the Mayor could have provided a solution to the unbearable death toll. An Evacuation plan.

Maybe he could have thought *oh shit, my city is below sea level, we have access to all these neat-o radars that tell me big one is coming, 100,000 people in my city don’t have cars and are poor* and done something about it.

I guarantee you every local, city, state, and national leader will have an extensive evacuation plan from now on. A damn good one.


I stated this – and I quote:

Quoting FlyingTexan (Thread starter):
Apparently the Mayor didn’t read that. And if he did, he failed to heed those words.

You brought up Army Corps of Engineers. And now I’m changing the subject?
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RE: Expose In Times-Picayune In 2002 Clearly Stated It

Sun Sep 04, 2005 10:54 am

Yall act like Ray Nagin has been mayor of New Orleans for decades--he was elected 3 years ago. So for you all to saddle all the blame on him is rediculous--besides--the budget for said flood control was whittled away by the Bush administration.
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RE: Expose In Times-Picayune In 2002 Clearly Stated It

Sun Sep 04, 2005 11:01 am

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 8):
Yall act like Ray Nagin has been mayor of New Orleans for decades--he was elected 3 years ago. So for you all to saddle all the blame on him is rediculous--besides--the budget for said flood control was whittled away by the Bush administration.

three years is more than enough time for the city to have developed an evacuation plan, and to start stockpiling food and water for those that can't be evacuated.

The flood control budget has been underfunded for thirty years. It's not all Bush's fault, no matter how hard you try to ignore the facts.
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RE: Expose In Times-Picayune In 2002 Clearly Stated It

Sun Sep 04, 2005 11:54 am

What cracks me up is that people (like all of the above posters) are determined to blame this on an individual or administration. Folks, therre is so much blame available, there's going to be enough to go around 2 or 3 times.

The AC of E has spent the last century building levees and canals that have caused the delta to erode away and subside, successive administrations have cut ACE funding, succesive NO administrations have done nothing to plan for the inevitable. Hell, one year ago NO came w/in 2 days of this exact scenario, and nothing has been done since then!

Bottom line, this is one of the few disasters, that, while not preventable, was predictable and guaranteed to happen. There should have been plans in place from the Feds on down to the individual neighborhoods, and yet thousands have lost their lives while we've collectively spent a week spinning our wheels. I'm not knocking anyone's individual efforts during this disaster, but as a society we've fucked up big time on this one.
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