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Boeing/Airbus Vs. Conservative/Liberal

Mon Sep 05, 2005 3:34 am

So, along with my recent "Why so many liberals an A.net?" and the "A.net Political Survey," I thought that there might be a correlation between liberal/conservative and Boeing/Airbus.

So, without stating opinions on why Boeing is better than Airbus or vice versa, I would just like to see who considers themselves liberal/conservative and which aircraft maker they prefer if any.

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RE: Boeing/Airbus Vs. Conservative/Liberal

Mon Sep 05, 2005 3:40 am

I lean to the left (liberal) on most issues, and prefer Boeing aircraft.
 
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Mon Sep 05, 2005 3:40 am

Have you been sat all day trying to come up with the lamest flamebait thread starter in a.net history?
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RE: Boeing/Airbus Vs. Conservative/Liberal

Mon Sep 05, 2005 3:43 am

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 2):
Have you been sat all day trying to come up with the lamest flamebait thread starter in a.net history?

He's a young conservative, who can't stand that he's a minority in the world, so is trying to lash out and find arguemets against the world any way he can.
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RE: Boeing/Airbus Vs. Conservative/Liberal

Mon Sep 05, 2005 3:43 am

I'm a "Euro-conservative" and I prefer both. I don't really care if I'm flying on an Airbus or a Boeing. Both aircraft makers make good planes.
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RE: Boeing/Airbus Vs. Conservative/Liberal

Mon Sep 05, 2005 3:44 am

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 2):
Have you been sat all day trying to come up with the lamest flamebait thread starter in a.net history?

Actually, I have a hypothesis that I want to test. Research is a wonderful thing. We can learn things that way. If someone wants to point out the virtues of conservatism/liberalism or Boeing aircraft/Airbus aircraft, they should go to a different thread.
 
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Mon Sep 05, 2005 3:50 am

I'm a centrist, and prefer Lockheed.
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RE: Boeing/Airbus Vs. Conservative/Liberal

Mon Sep 05, 2005 3:52 am

Quoting Matt27 (Reply 4):
He's a young conservative, who can't stand that he's a minority in the world, so is trying to lash out and find arguemets against the world any way he can.

And young liberals don't do the same, if not more, Falcon?

If you say no, then I'd say you've never been to college.

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Mon Sep 05, 2005 3:53 am

I am a very Conservative person, and I never have and never will ride on an Airbus.
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RE: Boeing/Airbus Vs. Conservative/Liberal

Mon Sep 05, 2005 3:54 am

I'm a European who lives/lived in Germany and England, New York and Hongkong, do definitely NOT fit in your ridiculous conservative/liberal scheme, and I love to fly aircraft that are in good condition and do give me some legroom since I'm 6'3''.

...and as a bonus I prefer to have people sitting next to me on my numerous flights, that use their brains before opening their mouth...meaning I'd hate to have a "Boeing fan" next to me on an Airbus and I'd hate to have an "Airbus fan" next to me on a Boeing aircraft.

And I can't fight the feeling that is just another way of starting a let's-all-get-together-and-throw-some-shit-to-the-fan-thread, using the most hate-filled and useless words that were ever used on a.net!
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RE: Boeing/Airbus Vs. Conservative/Liberal

Mon Sep 05, 2005 3:55 am

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 8):
I am a very Conservative person, and I never have and never will ride on an Airbus.

Very ignorant attitude for someone who wants to be a commercial pilot, my friend.

What happens if you succeed, and after the regionals, you get a job offer to fly an A320 for United?

Gonna turn that down?  Yeah sure



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RE: Boeing/Airbus Vs. Conservative/Liberal

Mon Sep 05, 2005 3:55 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 6):
I'm a centrist, and prefer Lockheed.

Haha, that's very neutral of you.  Big grin
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Mon Sep 05, 2005 3:57 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 3):
He's a young conservative, who can't stand that he's a minority in the world, so is trying to lash out and find arguemets against the world any way he can.

Unfortunately most of them don't even understand what conservative means. Maybe if they managed to form their own opinions instead of being force-fed by Karl Rove and his ilk they could string two cogent words together.

Still, it's good fodder for shooting down in flames. BravoCheney rides again and all that...in fact of all the right wing blowhards who spew on here (except ANCflyer who does at least make sense most of the time) not one is even remotely a genuine conservative.
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RE: Boeing/Airbus Vs. Conservative/Liberal

Mon Sep 05, 2005 3:59 am

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 7):
And young liberals don't do the same, if not more, Falcon?

Actually, they don't, in my view.
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Mon Sep 05, 2005 4:03 am

Quoting Kykevin54 (Reply 5):
Actually, I have a hypothesis that I want to test. Research is a wonderful thing. We can learn things that way.

I can tell you as a professional scientist that asking questions of people on a.net couldn’t possibly enable you to test a hypothesis. It’s pretty obvious that you don’t know the first thing about the foundational elements of the scientific method or statistical analysis if you think that you can.

If you’re legitimately interested in applying quantitative analysis to this question, which I frankly suspect that you are not, you need to go hit the books and enlighten yourself first.
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Mon Sep 05, 2005 4:04 am

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 8):
I am a very Conservative person, and I never have and never will ride on an Airbus.

Congratulations.
You just proof that "very conservative" persons are childish , and you are not a real aviation enthusiast if you don't want to fly as many different aircraft as possible.
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Mon Sep 05, 2005 4:06 am

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 7):
to lash out and find arguemets against the world any way he can.
And young liberals don't do the same, if not more, Falcon?
If you say no, then I'd say you've never been to college.

Erm, I've never been to US college, but since in your world liberals are all socialists, to use one of the friendlier words I've read on this forum, I find it rather funny that you believe socialists try to find arguments against "the world"...wouldn't it be the other way round?
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Mon Sep 05, 2005 4:11 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 13):
Actually, they don't, in my view.

Cough, cough errrhmmm..

Boy did your foot go into your mouth a few feet on that one! If that's your view, you may need to see an opthalmologist.

20/450 is not good!

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RE: Boeing/Airbus Vs. Conservative/Liberal

Mon Sep 05, 2005 4:15 am

Quoting Kykevin54 (Reply 5):
Actually, I have a hypothesis that I want to test. Research is a wonderful thing. We can learn things that way. If someone wants to point out the virtues of conservatism/liberalism or Boeing aircraft/Airbus aircraft, they should go to a different thread.

Research is a great thing indeed. But if you truly want to find a correlation between political leanings and aircraft manufacturer it is a bit more complex than posting it on an internet forum and seeing who bites. Well it will be interesting to see the results, we won't really learn much from it which we can relate to the real world. If the intent of this thread is a flamebait, then I suggest you find something more useful to do with your time than egging on people on an internet forum.

As for me, I'm centre left and like both Airbus and Boeing equally.
 
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Mon Sep 05, 2005 4:15 am

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 18):

LOL Big grin  bigthumbsup 
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Mon Sep 05, 2005 4:16 am

Moderate and prefer McDonnell-Douglas a/c......
 
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RE: Boeing/Airbus Vs. Conservative/Liberal

Mon Sep 05, 2005 4:21 am

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 10):
What happens if you succeed, and after the regionals, you get a job offer to fly an A320 for United?

Every man has his price where he will sellout his beliefs. Flying for a Legacy would be mine.
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Mon Sep 05, 2005 4:24 am

Look, I'm sorry I upset so many people with this thread. I simply wanted a survery of A.netters and not the whole world.

In America, it's fairly well know that a driver of a Ford pickup truck is probably a conservative and the driver of a Volvo is probably a liberal. I thought that conservative Americans would be more likely to vote for the home team while liberal would prefer the imports. The thread turned to crap really quick and I regret ever putting it up. I can't change anyone's mind who knows my inentions were to piss people off and start a fight, but I want this thing to be deleted.
 
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Mon Sep 05, 2005 4:26 am

Libertarian who votes mostly with the GOP. I have no preference on aircraft. I think both Boeing and Airbus are great companies and each makes the other better by pushing them to perform. Without the other each company would prefer to rest on its laurals rather than spend the money on R&D that allows them to progressively leapfrog each other.

Without a doubt the 747 was the Queen of the Skies for 30 years. Now with the A380 AB has raised the bar. I can't wait to see how Boeing will respond.
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RE: Boeing/Airbus Vs. Conservative/Liberal

Mon Sep 05, 2005 4:28 am

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 22):
Quoting NWA742 (Reply 10):
What happens if you succeed, and after the regionals, you get a job offer to fly an A320 for United?

Every man has his price where he will sellout his beliefs. Flying for a Legacy would be mine.

A belief, I think it's actually called lunacy. The men in white coats are knocking at the door for you.
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Mon Sep 05, 2005 4:29 am

I'm a liberal, and I like certain planes more than certain manufacturers. I like the 330 a lot better than the 767, but the 777 a lot better than the 340. It's about a 50/50 split between Boeing and Airbus, so I can't really say. My first reaction would be to pick Airbus though.

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Mon Sep 05, 2005 4:30 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 13):
Actually, they don't, in my view.

Don't be that way, you're smarter than that. You know damn well that liberals do the same, and you know that they sure as hell do it more often with public protests, groups, rallies, etc, in which they are lashing out their beliefs against conservatives and the world as well.




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RE: Boeing/Airbus Vs. Conservative/Liberal

Mon Sep 05, 2005 4:30 am

I'm far to the left and all I really care about is that the plane arrives safely at the destination.

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RE: Boeing/Airbus Vs. Conservative/Liberal

Mon Sep 05, 2005 4:32 am

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 22):
Every man has his price where he will sellout his beliefs. Flying for a Legacy would be mine.

You won't make it with that kind of attitude.




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RE: Boeing/Airbus Vs. Conservative/Liberal

Mon Sep 05, 2005 5:40 am

To be pro Boeing or pro Airbus is simply stupid and childish. Both make great aircrafts and I like them both. Actually I would be happy to have even more competition. People who are pro A or B and hate the other company are definitely no aviation fans.
 
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RE: Boeing/Airbus Vs. Conservative/Liberal

Mon Sep 05, 2005 5:45 am

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 29):
You won't make it with that kind of attitude

With this attitude I sincerely hope he doesn't make it...paranoia does not belong in a cockpit!! Period!!
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Mon Sep 05, 2005 6:00 am

I am very glad that I had the chance to fly on:

B 707, 720, 727, 737 (almost all kinds), 747 (200, 300, 400), 757, 767, 777; A 300, 310, 320 (the whole family except 318), 330, 340; Lockheed Electra, 1011; DC 8, 9, 10, MD 80, 11; Fokker 100, BAC 1-11, Convair 990, Sud Aviation Caravelle, Saab 340, 2000; Embraer RJ145; AVRO RJ 85/100; Tupolev 134, 154; and some others. I am looking forward to fly on B 787, A 350, 380 etc. Somebody who says I never will fly on a plane of x or y company is NO aviation enthusiast, most stupid and terribly childish! BTW this is one of the most dumb threads, what should political opinion have to do with aircrafts???????????????

[Edited 2005-09-04 23:10:17]
 
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RE: Boeing/Airbus Vs. Conservative/Liberal

Mon Sep 05, 2005 6:05 am

Quoting ZRH (Reply 32):
Somebody who says I never will fly on a plane of x or y company is NO aviation enthusiast, most stupid and terribly childish! BTW this is one of the most dumb threads, what should political opinion have to do with aircrafts???????????????

I second that!!! You are absolutely right

[Edited 2005-09-04 23:09:02]
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Mon Sep 05, 2005 6:23 am

Once again, I'm a SOCIAL Liberal, and a FISCAL Conservative.
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RE: Boeing/Airbus Vs. Conservative/Liberal

Mon Sep 05, 2005 8:20 am

I think that Boeing vs Airbus and liberal vs conservative are not connected. However.....
liberal vs conservative and Macintosh vs Windows can be connected.

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RE: Boeing/Airbus Vs. Conservative/Liberal

Mon Sep 05, 2005 8:23 am

Quoting Centrair (Reply 35):
However.....
liberal vs conservative and Macintosh vs Windows can be connected.

I'm a centrist, and preferred the Amiga.
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Mon Sep 05, 2005 8:32 am

Quoting Matt27 (Reply 4):
I'm a "Euro-conservative" and I prefer both. I don't really care if I'm flying on an Airbus or a Boeing. Both aircraft makers make good planes.

I'm conservative on economic issues, slightly liberal on social issues, and also don't care what aircraft I fly on, since I think there is very little difference between the two. OTOH, I choose my airlines very carefully, since I think there is a world of difference there.
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RE: Boeing/Airbus Vs. Conservative/Liberal

Mon Sep 05, 2005 8:42 am

I don't mind Boeing nor Airbus, they both build great planes.

I'm a conservative and prefer McDonnell Douglas!  Wink


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RE: Boeing/Airbus Vs. Conservative/Liberal

Mon Sep 05, 2005 8:48 am

i'm a moderate-far right; Boeing fan, but bost make good aircraft...

Out of interest? why are left wingers so critical of right wingers? jealous? i think so  

right wingers in my experiance listen to left wing views, and take them on. But leftys just sit and think that people power should rule the world, and letting the best man win so to speak is just wrong...

Also, in referance to the Microsoft vs-anyone technical, i am very much behind microsoft, i think (and i think this is a very right wing view), that a company should be allowed to make as much money as it can. Its only the biggest for a reason, if someone offers a better products, ppl will buy this...

[Edited 2005-09-05 02:14:30]
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RE: Boeing/Airbus Vs. Conservative/Liberal

Mon Sep 05, 2005 8:52 am

Well I never thought I'd participate in an A vs B thread, but this one seems kind of fun, so I'll bite:

I'm a liberal.

My favorite planes historically have mainly been built by (McDonnell) Douglas and Lockheed. Airbus and Boeing obviously both build great planes, but I have to say that the ones with more character for me have been the Boeing planes (the 727: one of the first great trijets; the 767: 2-3-2 seating is really nice; the 747: such a unique look and for a long time the queen of jumbos; the 777, just plain solid class, comfort and safety...) But the A380 looks like it will really be a spectacular aircraft...I wish both companies success.

So there you have it. Strongly "left"-leaning on most issues; preference for Boeing models historically. Put that into your "data"  Wink

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Mon Sep 05, 2005 10:52 am

While I've been indecisive, I tend to lean to the right on many issues (here's to Young Conservatives! Cheers!) and I'm neutral. I've liked AIrbus, but now that Boeing's attitude is changing to pay more attention to the customer and their desires, and they haven't been as arrogant as they were in recent years, I'm leaning towards B
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RE: Boeing/Airbus Vs. Conservative/Liberal

Mon Sep 05, 2005 11:34 am

I am registered Republican but I am more of a Centrist. I prefer to fly on Boeing Aircraft and avoid Airbus aircraft. I used to be a liberal and still preferred Boeing.

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Mon Sep 05, 2005 11:36 am

Liberal

McDonnell Douglas

Does that screw up your research?
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Tue Sep 06, 2005 1:34 pm

Conservative, lean towards Boeing but may be because I have fond memories of working for them - helicopters, not airliners. Actually, I think I'll go with the Lockheed crowd - the L1011 is still the sweetest ride out there but the 744 is close.

Really haven't had many chances to fly A - hate the 300 and love the 320. Don't really dislike any B but on the MD side there is nothing worse than the last few rows in a DC-9.
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Tue Sep 06, 2005 1:39 pm

Quoting Delta767300ER (Reply 42):
I used to be a liberal

You used to be a liberal Dan?

I didn't know that..................glad you learned though!

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Tue Sep 06, 2005 1:56 pm

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 45):
I didn't know that..................glad you learned though!

No, many people grow out of their liberal base because they let their emotions, hatred, racism, and biases get in the way of logical thought.
 
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Tue Sep 06, 2005 2:04 pm

Quoting B744F (Reply 46):
No, many people grow out of their liberal base because they let their emotions, hatred, racism, and biases get in the way of logical thought.

 rotfl 

So conservatives are an over-emotional, hateful, racist, and biased group of people?

Remarks like this coming from a big liberal like you, and I'm supposed to believe that you guys are open-minded?

 Yeah sure



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Tue Sep 06, 2005 11:22 pm

It is funny how the word "liberal" is used in the US. In Europe we would say "socialist" for that. A liberal here (in the classic philosophical and political meaning from the 18th century) is somebody who wants to give most responsibility to the individual and not to the state or government. They want to have as low taxes as possible but nevertheless they are open-minded to new inevitable trends in our society (for example gay marriage). For this I am a liberal in the European classical meaning, but by fare no socialist (I would never ever vote for a socialist party, here in Switzerland for SPS or if I could in Germany for SPD). I seems to me that people in the US often only see "black or white", "0 or 1" (digital) and nothing else. Either you are conservative and of course against gay marriage and abortion or you are so called liberal and for more taxes and laws. That there is a real liberal point of view many people don't see: being for as less taxes and laws as possible (state and government must step back against the individual as much as possible), most possible freedom, religion is absolutely private but also being for gay marriage, abortion etc.
 
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Wed Sep 07, 2005 10:47 am

in terms of that, i am even more a conservative.

I believe the state should be high and mighty, and i don't mind paying xtra taxes for public works, but i hate money going to social security for example. I think everyone that is able bodied should have to work if they want money, even if its only on public works projects, like cleaning a beach or building a road.

Social security should only be for people who are disabled or elderly...
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