Uh huh....sure Cfalk, in your eyes the governments "are not that bad" because they happen to have a slant towards the west and that is all that matters for you.
The fact is Jordan and Egypt are far from having "good" governments. They are just like Syria in that they are corrupt, brutal, and oppressive, but they happen to have a slant towards the west which is why in your eyes, they are "good."
Syria, Jordan, Egypt all use torture, they all try to silence their opponents either by throwing them into jail or killing them. In addition, there is absolutely no such thing as freedom of speech in any of those countries. If you criticize the governments, you will be jailed. That's why reporters from channels like Al Jazeera are routinely harrassed in those countries.
Infact, Jordan not too long ago suspended Al Jazeera's broadcasts in Jordan for quite a long period after the channel aired a documentary that was critical of the Hashemite regime.
During Syria's hegomony over Lebanon, an outspoken Lebanese channel called MTV (no, not Music Television, the M stands for Murr) was shut down because of its criticism of the Syrian regime. Following the "independence intifada" that led to a regime change and an end to the Syrian military presence in Lebanon, MTV is coming back on the air in a few months time.
The only Arab countries that have a reasonable amount of freedom of speech are Lebanon, Qatar, and the United Arab Emirates. All other Arab countries have media that is highly censored by their respective governments.
There is one thing that Syria, Jordan, and Egypt do have in common however, and that is relative freedom of religion (Syria and Egypt having more than Jordan however) and that is because they have secular non-religious governments.
Don't give me that "Egypt and Jordan have decent governments, but the Syrian Ba'ath regime is just plain bad" propaganda. I've heard it time and time again and it is utterly false. All 3 of those regimes are equally brutal as are most of the regimes in the Arab world.
|Quoting Cfalk (Reply 8):|
but there will be plenty of unrest as less educated masses insist on helping out their Sunni brothers.
Not only is this comment racist, but it is entirely false and I am speaking as an Arab.
Yes, there are religious zealots and fanatics in the Arab world like the kinds of Al Qaeda who hate any non-Sunnis and simply believe in helping out their Sunni brothers as you call it, but these are a minority. The fact is the majority of Arabs want an Iraq that is stable and want an end to all these suicide bombings and terror attacks going on in the country regardless of whether those who are affected are Sunni, Shia, or Christian.
Infact, not too long ago, King Abdullah II
of Jordan warned of a "Shia crescent" ranging from Syria all the way to Iran if Iraq becomes a Shia Islamic Republic. This is from your so-called "good" regime.
That's not the Syrians don't have their excuses either because they do (they don't want an Islamic Iraq), but I am just trying to point that your claim of the Jordanian and Egyptian governments as being "good" while the Syrian government is "bad" is false and it is a black and white picture.
|Quoting Cfalk (Reply 8):|
Arab Unity? I don't think we will live to see that day.
You're right, it will never happen thanks to the western powers who worked to undermine secular Arab nationalist movements in the 1960's and used the House of Saud and the Islamists (such as the Egyptian-based Muslim Brotherhood, which gave birth to modern Islamic fundamentalism) to promote pan-Islamisism to undermine secular Arab nationalism such as those advocated by leaders like Egyptian President Gamal Abdel Nasser. We all know how this back-fired!
"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran