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Americans And Politics - Why Do They Love It?

Tue Sep 06, 2005 12:09 am

Is it just me, or are all Americans obsessed with politicians? Over in the UK, generally we only talk about politics when a general election is approaching, but it seems that the Yanks talk about politics 24/7.
Why are Americans obsessed with politics?
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RE: Americans And Politics - Why Do They Love It?

Tue Sep 06, 2005 12:10 am

Half of A-Net would have nothing else to discuss if it weren't for PotUS and Liberals and Conservatives . . . . just htink how boring this site would be!

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RE: Americans And Politics - Why Do They Love It?

Tue Sep 06, 2005 12:11 am

Quoting Gkirk (Thread starter):
Why are Americans obsessed with politics?

Well considering you lot started us on it by making us toss a boatload of tea into Boston Harbor ...
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RE: Americans And Politics - Why Do They Love It?

Tue Sep 06, 2005 12:12 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
Half of A-Net would have nothing else to discuss if it weren't for PotUS and Liberals and Conservatives . . . . just htink how boring this site would be!

I reckon this site would be better without any loudmouth Americans  stirthepot  duck 
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RE: Americans And Politics - Why Do They Love It?

Tue Sep 06, 2005 12:16 am

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 3):
reckon this site would be better without any loudmouth Americans

That could certainly be said about stinking, bitching she...well you know what I mean..Scots, too!  mischievous  duck 
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RE: Americans And Politics - Why Do They Love It?

Tue Sep 06, 2005 12:16 am

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 3):
I reckon this site would be better without any loudmouth Americans

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RE: Americans And Politics - Why Do They Love It?

Tue Sep 06, 2005 1:05 am

Quoting Andreas (Reply 4):
That could certainly be said about stinking, bitching she...well you know what I mean..Scots, too! mischievous duck

Could do with getting rid of those dirty German nazis idiots also  stirthepot 
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RE: Americans And Politics - Why Do They Love It?

Tue Sep 06, 2005 1:29 am

Because politics is - on a certain level - about redistribution of resources.
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RE: Americans And Politics - Why Do They Love It?

Tue Sep 06, 2005 1:59 am

Ok, All dems and republicans hold hands and lets sing together......"all we are saying is give peace a chance......" Big grin
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RE: Americans And Politics - Why Do They Love It?

Tue Sep 06, 2005 2:10 am

What gets me is why foreigners talk about it so much as if we were some sort of superpower with vast influence across the globe.

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RE: Americans And Politics - Why Do They Love It?

Tue Sep 06, 2005 4:59 am

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 3):

I reckon this site would be better without any loudmouth Americans

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RE: Americans And Politics - Why Do They Love It?

Tue Sep 06, 2005 5:15 am

I'm guessing it's because American TV is so appallingly bad - they don't have Eastenders or Corrie or Pop Idol to talk about, so they're stuck with That Idiot Bush.

If they put the Sopranos and Desperate Housewives on every night, nobody would go out to vote in the US at all.
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RE: Americans And Politics - Why Do They Love It?

Tue Sep 06, 2005 5:19 am

Because it's interesting and irritating all at once.

Trust me, us "yanks" on this site who are talking about it are the exception - most Americans are so disengaged from politics it is sad. They only vote based on the (R) or (D) and nothing else - have no idea what the reality behind the issues are, just what Sean Hannity or Al Franken told them and nothing more.
 
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RE: Americans And Politics - Why Do They Love It?

Tue Sep 06, 2005 6:07 am

It may seem like we do, but in actuality it's a very small minority that talk VERY LOUDLY about it, making it impossible to hear anything else. Even on A.net, it's a small minority of the total membership that actually engages in these discussions.

As KC135R said, the disengagement in this country is scary. It often seems the only time you can get people interested is when you can convince/scare them into thinking that whatever topic is being discussed will affect them within the next 10 minutes, otherwise it's, "yawn, well that's not what (insert favorite talking head here) said, so I don't belive it."
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RE: Americans And Politics - Why Do They Love It?

Tue Sep 06, 2005 11:08 am

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 11):
I'm guessing it's because American TV is so appallingly bad - they don't have Eastenders or Corrie or Pop Idol to talk about, so they're stuck with That Idiot Bush.

If they put the Sopranos and Desperate Housewives on every night, nobody would go out to vote in the US at all.

LOL....if American television is so bad, why is it that when I travel to the UK, to Denmark, to Germany, to Austria - all I see is a bunch of US television series and bad US movies on the local channels?

You need to catch up on your US TV trivia, by the way. The Wire and Deadwood are the hot HBO series, and the reality crap we inherited from the UK is sliming its way across our screens.....
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RE: Americans And Politics - Why Do They Love It?

Tue Sep 06, 2005 11:21 am

Quoting Gkirk (Thread starter):
Americans And Politics - Why Do They Love It?

BECAUSE IT'S BLOODY AMERICA ITS WHAT WE DO!!!

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RE: Americans And Politics - Why Do They Love It?

Tue Sep 06, 2005 1:20 pm

Because politicians either make your life great or they make your life hell.
 
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RE: Americans And Politics - Why Do They Love It?

Tue Sep 06, 2005 2:05 pm

Quoting KC135R (Reply 12):
Trust me, us "yanks" on this site who are talking about it are the exception - most Americans are so disengaged from politics it is sad. They only vote based on the (R) or (D) and nothing else - have no idea what the reality behind the issues are, just what Sean Hannity or Al Franken told them and nothing more.

You beat me to it. I’ll add – not only do most vote straight R or D, they all call themselves independent. Oh, and civil libertarians, too!

Yep, everybody an independent and civil libertarian. Talk about two very over-used descriptions.

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RE: Americans And Politics - Why Do They Love It?

Tue Sep 06, 2005 2:10 pm

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 17):
Yep, everybody an independent and civil libertarian. Talk about two very over-used descriptions.

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RE: Americans And Politics - Why Do They Love It?

Tue Sep 06, 2005 2:50 pm

Quoting B744F (Reply 18):
Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 17):
Yep, everybody an independent and civil libertarian. Talk about two very over-used descriptions.

Vote Nader!

Actually, I tend to think of Ron Paul as a REAL Libertarian.
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RE: Americans And Politics - Why Do They Love It?

Tue Sep 06, 2005 4:21 pm

JGP, you're back, somehow missed it yesterday...say, shall we open up a thread just for you..Americans and Hamburger? Now that our resident expert is back on air Big grin

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 14):
to Austria - all I see is a bunch of US television series and bad US movies on the local channels?

Leave Austria out of it, they REALLY don't know what they do, in a biblical sense...in other words: Hopeless, like Scots!
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RE: Americans And Politics - Why Do They Love It?

Tue Sep 06, 2005 4:56 pm

I agree completely with those who say that the vast majority of Americans are almost completely detached from domestic politics. Ask most Americans what they think of this or that policy or politician and they'll either shrug their shoulders or blindly regurgitate something they read in the newspaper, heard on the AM radio, or saw on a television news network. Some folks I've spoken with almost seemed proud to have absolutely no idea of what was going on in the political realm.

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Quoting KC135R (Reply 12):
Sean Hannity or Al Franken

I strongly disagree that Al Franken is somehow equivalent to Sean Hannity.
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RE: Americans And Politics - Why Do They Love It?

Tue Sep 06, 2005 5:05 pm

Quoting Andreas (Reply 20):
Leave Austria out of it, they REALLY don't know what they do, in a biblical sense...in other words: Hopeless, like Scots!

Talking about hopeless....Germany is extremely hopeless.
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RE: Americans And Politics - Why Do They Love It?

Tue Sep 06, 2005 5:21 pm

I will express my opinion as an American, born and raised....I HATE politics with a passion. It sickens me that the decisions that affect every US citizen are made by people who are like star athletes. I watch the DNC, and even though I tend to vote democrat, I hate the fact that it's such a waste of time - it's like having the home team scrimmage against itself; everyone's rooting for the same person, which means it's just an ego boost.

I'm leaning towards the opinion that anything labeled with the word "politics" is pure bullsh*t. It's become a game; it's become the worst kind of sporting event - one team wins, and people suffer as a result of others' gain.

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RE: Americans And Politics - Why Do They Love It?

Tue Sep 06, 2005 9:42 pm

Quoting B744F (Reply 18):
Vote Vader!

Now I know you are on the dark side!!!
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RE: Americans And Politics - Why Do They Love It?

Tue Sep 06, 2005 9:54 pm




Far fewer Americans cared about politics before W. moved in. His administration has done a hell of a job dividing the country and angering/embarrassing half of it.  Sad



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RE: Americans And Politics - Why Do They Love It?

Tue Sep 06, 2005 10:34 pm

As an American (recently moved to Britain Big grin) I would have to say that we are too easily swayed by the media. The news reports seen on television are adopted as fact and become the basis from which we form our opinions. Our outrage or discontent comes from the exaggerated or bias stories that we see and hear. They pull on the heart strings and play off the insecurities of the American people. We react the best way America knows how... Talk talk talk talk, but not actually say anything. Obviously this does not apply to all Americans, but, in my opinion it accounts for many of the ones you hear. As a majority we are not informed enough on domestic policy, nevertheless international. As long as we have our big houses, big cars, and big bank accounts, there is no reason to look beyond our own driveway, nevertheless across the sea. Until it is time to sound intelligent in a social situation and we turn to the one thing that every American has in common... POLITICS, and the bulls**t flows...

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RE: Americans And Politics - Why Do They Love It?

Tue Sep 06, 2005 10:35 pm

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 25):
Far fewer Americans cared about politics before W. moved in. His administration has done a hell of a job dividing the country and angering/embarrassing half of it.

You can't be serious. Were you asleep during the Clinton years? The Reagan years? The Nixon years, where the fine art of political character assassination came home to roost on the doorstep of one if its most seasoned practitioners?
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RE: Americans And Politics - Why Do They Love It?

Tue Sep 06, 2005 10:51 pm




Quoting Halls120 (Reply 27):
You can't be serious



Just look at voter turnout over the past several years. The 2004 election saw a 64% turnout. A bit of an increase, I'd say:



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RE: Americans And Politics - Why Do They Love It?

Tue Sep 06, 2005 10:55 pm

It is not only in the US, also here in Switzerland we talk a lot about politics and politicians. Here it is perhaps because we have to vote about new laws and other things at least four times a year (we not only elect every four years), this keeps the democracy alive. Although I don't like the Bush administration at all the US is still a living democracy.
 
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Wed Sep 07, 2005 12:09 am

Because it allows our dad to take his anger out on a.net, rather than on us.

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RE: Americans And Politics - Why Do They Love It?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 12:16 am

Quoting JCS17 (Reply 30):
Because it allows our dad to take his anger out on a.net, rather than on us.

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Oooo...a low one that. Attack Falcon84 by all means, but not his kids dammit.
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RE: Americans And Politics - Why Do They Love It?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 12:36 am

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 28):
Quoting Halls120 (Reply 27):
You can't be serious

Just look at voter turnout over the past several years. The 2004 election saw a 64% turnout. A bit of an increase, I'd say

If you are going to equate interest in politics with voter turnout, I suppose your conclusion is understandable - but is one that I don't share.

People can care about politics, but refuse to vote for reasons unrelated to their interest in the election. For example, I'd attribute the steady decline in Congressional election participation to the steady increase in gerrymandered safe seats. When the outcome of the election is preordained, there's not much reason to come cast your vote.
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RE: Americans And Politics - Why Do They Love It?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 11:35 am




Quoting Halls120 (Reply 32):
If you are going to equate interest in politics with voter turnout, I suppose your conclusion is understandable



Well, whether accurate or inaccurate, that's what I was getting at. Also, it seems as if, when asked, most people...of all ages...won't hesitate to display a very strong opinion one way or the other. I don't remember this happening back in the Reagan/Bush Sr. days.




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Wed Sep 07, 2005 11:47 am

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 33):
Well, whether accurate or inaccurate, that's what I was getting at. Also, it seems as if, when asked, most people...of all ages...won't hesitate to display a very strong opinion one way or the other. I don't remember this happening back in the Reagan/Bush Sr. days

That's where we strongly disagree. I've had spirited political discussions with colleagues from the time I was in college in the early 70's until today. The only difference in the last decade is the growth of intense partisanship - which is very sad.
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RE: Americans And Politics - Why Do They Love It?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 1:21 pm




Quoting Halls120 (Reply 34):
That's where we strongly disagree. I've had spirited political discussions with colleagues from the time I was in college in the early 70's until today.



Ok, I defintely respect your experience over the years, and I'm sure I could learn a lot from you, but I was referring to the seemingly stronger political opinions of the typical Joe off of the street. I would imagine your colleagues, if they're anything like you, would tend to be rather in-tune with politics, anyway. I'm thinking the two groups we're comparing are apples and oranges...






Quoting Halls120 (Reply 34):
The only difference in the last decade is the growth of intense partisanship - which is very sad.



Yes...it's really unfortunate. Do you think the next administration will be able to minimize this?

By the way...thanks for a good, respectful, thought-provoking discussion. These are rare to begin with, and when you add politics to the mix, ugliness is usually guaranteed.




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Wed Sep 07, 2005 9:37 pm

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 35):
Quoting Halls120 (Reply 34):
The only difference in the last decade is the growth of intense partisanship - which is very sad.

Yes...it's really unfortunate. Do you think the next administration will be able to minimize this?

By the way...thanks for a good, respectful, thought-provoking discussion. These are rare to begin with, and when you add politics to the mix, ugliness is usually guaranteed.

Thanks. As to your question, I'm not really sure. For the tone of political discourse to change, it would take the leadership of both parties taking the affirmative step of not engaging in slash and burn politics. Back when seats in Congress weren't so safe and gerrymandered, our elected representatives had to please most of their constituents if they wanted to get re-elected. Now that most all of them are in safe seats, they can ignore those that are in the minority, making it much easier to take strident, attacking positions on a given issue.
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RE: Americans And Politics - Why Do They Love It?

Thu Sep 08, 2005 6:42 am

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 14):
You need to catch up on your US TV trivia, by the way. The Wire and Deadwood are the hot HBO series, and the reality crap we inherited from the UK is sliming its way across our screens.....

Cut me some slack ! I live in France, home of THE worst TV in the world. We only just got season 3 of the Sopranos ! I expect Desperate Housewives to air sometime around the 4th Millennium.
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RE: Americans And Politics - Why Do They Love It?

Thu Sep 08, 2005 11:39 am

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 37):
Quoting Halls120 (Reply 14):
You need to catch up on your US TV trivia, by the way. The Wire and Deadwood are the hot HBO series, and the reality crap we inherited from the UK is sliming its way across our screens.....

Cut me some slack ! I live in France, home of THE worst TV in the world. We only just got season 3 of the Sopranos ! I expect Desperate Housewives to air sometime around the 4th Millennium.

If you can get copies of The Wire on DVD, rent or buy them ASAP. A chillingly accurate description of urban law enforcement......
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