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For All Those Who Keep Blaming The President:

Tue Sep 06, 2005 1:56 am

Try reading these important facts, courtesy of Ben Stein:



Get Off His Back (Updated)
By Ben Stein


A few truths, for those who have ears and eyes and care to know the truth:

1.) The hurricane that hit New Orleans and Mississippi and Alabama was an astonishing tragedy. The suffering and loss of life and peace of mind of the residents of those areas is acutely horrifying.

2.) George Bush did not cause the hurricane. Hurricanes have been happening for eons. George Bush did not create them or unleash this one.

3.) George Bush did not make this one worse than others. There have been far worse hurricanes than this before George Bush was born.

4.) There is no overwhelming evidence that global warming exists as a man-made phenomenon. There is no clear-cut evidence that global warming even exists. There is no clear evidence that if it does exist it makes hurricanes more powerful or makes them aim at cities with large numbers of poor people. If global warming is a real phenomenon, which it may well be, it started long before George Bush was inaugurated, and would not have been affected at all by the Kyoto treaty, considering that Kyoto does not cover the world's worst polluters -- China, India, and Brazil. In a word, George Bush had zero to do with causing this hurricane. To speculate otherwise is belief in sorcery.

5.) George Bush had nothing to do with the hurricane contingency plans for New Orleans. Those are drawn up by New Orleans and Louisiana. In any event, the plans were perfectly good: mandatory evacuation. It is in no way at all George Bush's fault that about 20 percent of New Orleans neglected to follow the plan. It is not his fault that many persons in New Orleans were too confused to realize how dangerous the hurricane would be. They were certainly warned. It's not George Bush's fault that there were sick people and old people and people without cars in New Orleans. His job description does not include making sure every adult in America has a car, is in good health, has good sense, and is mobile.

6.) George Bush did not cause gangsters to shoot at rescue helicopters taking people from rooftops, did not make gang bangers rape young girls in the Superdome, did not make looters steal hundreds of weapons, in short make New Orleans into a living hell.

7.) George Bush is the least racist President in mind and soul there has ever been and this is shown in his appointments over and over. To say otherwise is scandalously untrue.

8.) George Bush is rushing every bit of help he can to New Orleans and Mississippi and Alabama as soon as he can. He is not a magician. It takes time to organize huge convoys of food and now they are starting to arrive. That they get in at all considering the lawlessness of the city is a miracle of bravery and organization.

9.) There is not the slightest evidence at all that the war in Iraq has diminished the response of the government to the emergency. To say otherwise is pure slander.

10.) If the energy the news media puts into blaming Bush for an Act of God worsened by stupendous incompetence by the New Orleans city authorities and the malevolence of the criminals of the city were directed to helping the morale of the nation, we would all be a lot better off.

11.) New Orleans is a great city with many great people. It will recover and be greater than ever. Sticking pins into an effigy of George Bush that does not resemble him in the slightest will not speed the process by one day.

12.) The entire episode is a dramatic lesson in the breathtaking callousness of government officials at the ground level. Imagine if Hillary Clinton had gotten her way and they were in charge of your health care.

God bless all of those dear people who are suffering so much, and God bless those helping them, starting with George Bush.




I know this won't make any difference in the minds of those who will stop at nothing to blame one man for a natural disaster, but hey, I figure this needs to be posted for those who are actually interested in reality.

And let the flame fest begin!




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RE: For All Those Who Keep Blaming The President:

Tue Sep 06, 2005 1:58 am

Who exactly is blaming one man for the disaster?
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RE: For All Those Who Keep Blaming The President:

Tue Sep 06, 2005 2:00 am

You act as though this laundry list is some sort of proof or evidence.

Whatever.

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RE: For All Those Who Keep Blaming The President:

Tue Sep 06, 2005 2:01 am

I know this won't make any difference in the minds of those who will stop at nothing to blame one man for a natural disaster, but hey, I figure this needs to be posted for those who are actually interested in reality.

Reality?? You want to talk reality, we're blaming the idiot for his slow reaction time, taking nearly FIVE days to send large quantities of aid to the area, while many are left stranded on the roof of their house. No one is blaming him for the disaster itself. Get a clue.
 
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RE: For All Those Who Keep Blaming The President:

Tue Sep 06, 2005 2:04 am

Quoting Flight152 (Reply 3):
Get a clue

Tell people to get a clue when your old enough to drink a beer!
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RE: For All Those Who Keep Blaming The President:

Tue Sep 06, 2005 2:06 am

Quoting NWA742 (Thread starter):
George Bush is rushing every bit of help he can to New Orleans and Mississippi and Alabama as soon as he can.

Well I am sorry but that as soon as he can was not fast enough. We lost many lives because of the response time. Also, Bush is not to blame for the tragedy, but for what happened after it, the response time. For that we can blame both Mr. Bush, and also the Governor of Louisiana.

Also Mr. Bush is not racist, it is just the poor people, and unfortunately a lot of the African Americans in that part of the world are the poorer people.
 
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RE: For All Those Who Keep Blaming The President:

Tue Sep 06, 2005 2:07 am

Quoting Flight152 (Reply 3):
we're blaming the idiot for his slow reaction time, taking nearly FIVE days to send large quantities of aid to the area

The government was in action BEFORE the hurricane hit. I refer you back to this point:

It takes time to organize huge convoys of food and now they are starting to arrive. That they get in at all considering the lawlessness of the city is a miracle of bravery and organization.

Quoting Flight152 (Reply 3):
No one is blaming him for the disaster itself. Get a
clue.

Bullshit, I've personally heard idiots blaming him for causing the hurricane. Because apparently, global warming is all his fault.

Get a clue.



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RE: For All Those Who Keep Blaming The President:

Tue Sep 06, 2005 2:07 am

Quoting Sidewinder (Reply 4):
Tell people to get a clue when your old enough to drink a beer!

I'm about as old as you are and I think he's right. Obviously you have little or no respect for young people, which is sad.
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RE: For All Those Who Keep Blaming The President:

Tue Sep 06, 2005 2:08 am

Tell people to get a clue when your old enough to drink a beer!

Age has nothing to do with the matter, but thanks for proving a point that you have no valid opinion on the matter.

[Edited 2005-09-05 19:13:17]
 
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RE: For All Those Who Keep Blaming The President:

Tue Sep 06, 2005 2:09 am

Notable conservative Ben Stein also called what happened at Abu Ghraib prison "frat-boy mistreatment of Iraqi prisoners", just to give you some perspective.

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RE: For All Those Who Keep Blaming The President:

Tue Sep 06, 2005 2:11 am

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 6):
It takes time to organize huge convoys of food and now they are starting to arrive. That they get in at all considering the lawlessness of the city is a miracle of bravery and organization.

Well it should already be organized before the disaster happens. I am sorry but the response time is extremely slow, and we can blame both Bush and the Governor for. Also would FEMA be to blame in this as well?
 
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RE: For All Those Who Keep Blaming The President:

Tue Sep 06, 2005 2:12 am

The government was in action BEFORE the hurricane hit.

Yeah, such as cutting funds the last few years that was supposed to go to building up the various retaining walls for this very at risk area.
 
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RE: For All Those Who Keep Blaming The President:

Tue Sep 06, 2005 2:14 am

Quoting Flight152 (Reply 8):
Age has nothing to do with the matter, but thanks for proving a point that you have no valid opinion on the matter. Asshole

Thats not very mature of you. now go sit down.
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RE: For All Those Who Keep Blaming The President:

Tue Sep 06, 2005 2:14 am

Quoting Airlinerfreak (Reply 10):
Well it should already be organized before the disaster happens. I am sorry but the response time is extremely slow, and we can blame both Bush and the Governor for. Also would FEMA be to blame in this as well?

The response time was not slow. The arrival time for aid was slow, and EVERYBODY can be blamed for that. The federal government, the state, the city/local officials. As well as the hoodlums that were shooting at aid workers.

Don't forget the fact that those hoodlums caused day-long delays for rescue operations and aid operations.



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RE: For All Those Who Keep Blaming The President:

Tue Sep 06, 2005 2:16 am

Quoting Sidewinder (Reply 12):
Yeah, such as cutting funds the last few years that was supposed to go to building up the various retaining walls for this very at risk area.

Funny you say that, because last night, Foxnews informed us all that the NO Levee Board spent the majority of their budget on Casinos and other shit, including a fucking Learjet.

Yep, they shouldn't have gotten their budget cut, they were really being useful with it.

 Yeah sure



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RE: For All Those Who Keep Blaming The President:

Tue Sep 06, 2005 2:17 am

Thats not very mature of you.

Neither was the comment you made. You haven't made one productive comment yet. Congrulations.
 
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RE: For All Those Who Keep Blaming The President:

Tue Sep 06, 2005 2:24 am

Quoting Flight152 (Reply 8):
Age has nothing to do with the matter, but thanks for proving a point that you have no valid opinion on the matter.

With age comes wisdom! At your age, it's more of the idea of tooting your own horn rather than offering insight and depth. I was your age once so you can feel free to argue all you want! Have you heard the saying "there is no fool like an old fool"? That implies that wisdom is a product of age and life experiences...if someone is old and has no wisdom and are utterly foolish, they've had a wasted life.
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RE: For All Those Who Keep Blaming The President:

Tue Sep 06, 2005 2:49 am

Quoting 11Bravo (Reply 2):
You act as though this laundry list is some sort of proof or evidence.

Whatever.

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Quoting Flight152 (Reply 3):
Reality?? You want to talk reality, we're blaming the idiot for his slow reaction time, taking nearly FIVE days to send large quantities of aid to the area, while many are left stranded on the roof of their house. No one is blaming him for the disaster itself. Get a clue.

Both of you are idiots.

The President declared the area a Federal Disaster Area on Saturday - TWO DAYS BEFORE THE HURRICANE HIT, making federal funds available - and urged Gov. Blanco to order the evacuation of the entire area.

The President isn't required to draft plans for hurricanes - that would be micromanagement of the worst proportions. It's up to local officials to draft and approve those plans.

Gov.  hissyfit  Blanco and Mayor  hissyfit  Nagin had one plan - "Um, everyone go to the Superdome." That was it. No stockpiles of food, water or other preparations for thousands of people - just head to the Superdome. This, with at least two days' planning available. Brilliant.

Yes, FEMA was slow to get started but the Governor of Louisiana and the Mayor of New Orleans have been the antithesis of Gov. Pataki and Mayor Giuliani during 9/11 - those gentlemen LED instead of whining for help like these two.
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RE: For All Those Who Keep Blaming The President:

Tue Sep 06, 2005 3:00 am

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 17):
Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin had one plan - "Um, everyone go to the Superdome." That was it. No stockpiles of food, water or other preparations for thousands of people - just head to the Superdome. This, with at least two days' planning available. Brilliant.

At first,I was very disappointed with Bush's "slow" response.I said earlier,
in a thread,that I would vote Democrat, in protest.But after further research,
it is appears that the failure is with both local and state governments to
understand the depth of the danger.

And I wish the media would stop throwing the race card.
What nonsense!
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RE: For All Those Who Keep Blaming The President:

Tue Sep 06, 2005 3:01 am

Quote:
Funny you say that, because last night, Foxnews informed us all that the NO Levee Board spent the majority of their budget on Casinos and other shit, including a fucking Learjet.

Yep, they shouldn't have gotten their budget cut, they were really being useful with it.

NWA742

Are you serious they spent that money on casinos and so on???????

I was going to ask where all the gambling taxes go to and the taxes from the tourist go.
If funding was cut the state should have applied the latter of the two towards it. But if they did indeed use that Federal money towards anything else then what it was intended for fire the bastids!!!!!!!
 
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RE: For All Those Who Keep Blaming The President:

Tue Sep 06, 2005 3:28 am

Quoting Sidewinder (Reply 4):
Tell people to get a clue when your old enough to drink a beer!



Quoting Sidewinder (Reply 12):
Thats not very mature of you. now go sit down.

Wow - you really bring a lot to a conversation, don't ya?  sarcastic 

Quoting Airlinerfreak (Reply 10):
Also would FEMA be to blame in this as well?

FEMA is probably the biggest to blame here, but as to why they failed so miserably you can find many reasons. There's even a credible story that Wal-Mart (you remember them, evil Wal-Mart?) sent 3-13 (depending on the source) tractor trailers full of water and food on day one or two after the storm and that FEMA turned them around because the city was inaccessible - but the press was coming and going from the city at will, hmmm..... Not racial, nothing against the poor (I don't think) just plain old incompetent.

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 14):
Foxnews informed us all that the NO Levee Board spent the majority of their budget

Well, if Foxnews said it, I'm sure there was no agenda there - who told you about this, the great Sean Hannity??? sarcastic 

First of all, the levee that broke and caused all the flooding was the one on Lake Ponchatrain - that particular project was being handled by the Army Corp of Engineers (ACE). Once they took over the project all responsibility goes to them. Now, they are not to blame, they have been asking for more money for years. The Bush Administration has consistently cut their budget, but (according to my sources) most of that has been given back the them by Congress - but still not to the extent they wanted. BTW, the former Republican Senator from Mississippi who was the head of the ACE was fired by the Bush Administration for not giving a convincing argument that the funding cuts were OK, basically. Now, that being said, that levee project has been the subject of funding cuts for years - so our federal government, who wanted the project, has not funded it properly. Here's an interesting run-down of the situation (a few days old but still prudent) from the non-partisan fact.check.org:
http://factcheck.org/article344.html

Bush is not the one guy to blame for this, but I firmly believe his administration has blood on their hands here - and that's based on fact not ideology. The Congress is complicit in this too. It's amazing to me that they could move heaven and earth to sign a bill into law for Terri Schiavo, but Bush and Congress (on vacation and out of session in both cases) took days to get on the ball with this tragedy. I don't think it was racism, I think it was incompetence and there are questions that need to be answered.
 
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RE: For All Those Who Keep Blaming The President:

Tue Sep 06, 2005 3:35 am

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 1):
Who exactly is blaming one man for the disaster?

Right, he is not blamed for the disaster but for having sent all money and resources into an illegal, unnecessary war and because of this not being able to react in time to help his own citizens. Fact is that he is the worst and most stupid president the USA ever had.
 
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RE: For All Those Who Keep Blaming The President:

Tue Sep 06, 2005 3:38 am

Quoting NWA742 (Thread starter):
There is no overwhelming evidence that global warming exists as a man-made phenomenon. There is no clear-cut evidence that global warming even exists.

I love this from the coming from the "intelligent design" right. 99% of the science community agree that a) there is global warming and b) use of fossil fuels is a significant factor. But forget them - we should take our cues from the host of a long-defunct game show.

The guy's an idiot. There's plenty of conservatives saying that Bush and FEMA dropped the ball, god knows why there's any of you still trying to defend this pathetic excuse for a president. Hugo Chavez summed it up best when he called Bush the "King of Vacations".
 
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RE: For All Those Who Keep Blaming The President:

Tue Sep 06, 2005 3:42 am

Quoting Dan-Air (Reply 22):
Hugo Chavez summed it up best when he called Bush the "King of Vacations".

Well, I wouldn't take my political cues from Hugo Chavez, but I think this clearly shows why he needs to be assassinated. Wink
 
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RE: For All Those Who Keep Blaming The President:

Tue Sep 06, 2005 3:50 am

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 17):
The President declared the area a Federal Disaster Area on Saturday - TWO DAYS BEFORE THE HURRICANE HIT, making federal funds available - and urged Gov. Blanco to order the evacuation of the entire area.

The President isn't required to draft plans for hurricanes - that would be micromanagement of the worst proportions. It's up to local officials to draft and approve those plans.

Gov.  hissyfit  Blanco and Mayor  hissyfit  Nagin had one plan - "Um, everyone go to the Superdome." That was it. No stockpiles of food, water or other preparations for thousands of people - just head to the Superdome. This, with at least two days' planning available. Brilliant.

Damn, I thought I was the only person that clearly saw this . . .

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 17):
The President declared the area a Federal Disaster Area on Saturday - TWO DAYS BEFORE THE HURRICANE HIT, making federal funds available - and urged Gov. Blanco to order the evacuation of the entire area.

 checkmark 

Remember, "Go to the Super Dome".  redflag  redflag  redflag 
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RE: For All Those Who Keep Blaming The President:

Tue Sep 06, 2005 4:08 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 24):
Remember, "Go to the Super Dome".

...UMMM, excuse me, wasn't this a last ditch effort to assist the people who did not or could not get out of the city in time?

Because that's how I understood it, and if that's the case then I have no problem with it. What later became a problem is all those people holed up there with no food or water, and we can play blame game on that all day.
 
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RE: For All Those Who Keep Blaming The President:

Tue Sep 06, 2005 4:36 am

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 1):
Who exactly is blaming one man for the disaster?

Try the other 8,000 threads on this site that are.

Quoting 11Bravo (Reply 2):
You act as though this laundry list is some sort of proof or evidence.

Doesn't need to be...its what has happened. And I haven't seen one ounce of proof to PROVE otherwise.

Quoting Flight152 (Reply 3):
we're blaming the idiot for his slow reaction time, taking nearly FIVE days to send large quantities of aid to the area

This is where your age comes into play. With age comes wisdom, as someone else has already said. I'm rather young myself compared to most others on here but I've lived through several wars and have seen a lot of what this world is about. If you had the wisdom you so desperately claim that you do, then you would realize that aid does not move into a disaster area instantaneously. Bush declared the area a disaster two days before it even hit...this was the best he could do BEFORE anything happened. He freed up the federal funds for the damage that was to come, but the allocation of those funds into the most deserving areas is up to the local authorities, with FEMA by their side. The federal government does not just come in and take control while pushing everyone else out of the way. You have to listen to those who live there and when they don't ask for help yet, there's not much you can do. Louisiana dropped this ball...not Bush.

Quoting Sidewinder (Reply 4):
Tell people to get a clue when your old enough to drink a beer!

:::applause:::  Big grin

Quoting Airlinerfreak (Reply 5):
Well I am sorry but that as soon as he can was not fast enough.

No shit...in a perfect world, the supplies would be in everyone's houses before the storm even hit. That's why it is a disaster, because no matter what you do to prevent it or try to fix it, you're still battling a force much greater than we can control. He declared it a disaster area before it even hit...there's not much else he can do. If you don't like it, why don't you increase the speed of the relief. You'll quickly find that logistics don't allow it to go much faster, especially when the state and local governments are dragging their feet to request it.

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 6):
The government was in action BEFORE the hurricane hit.

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I think this fact eludes most people on here.

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 7):
I'm about as old as you are and I think he's right. Obviously you have little or no respect for young people, which is sad.

Its not a matter of disrespect but more of an observation. If you're going to jump up and state your opinion on a matter, you have to have something to back it up. This ability to retrieve information to 'back it up' comes with age. Its sad that you think he automatically has no respect for young people....pretty broad overgeneralization.

Quoting Flight152 (Reply 8):
Age has nothing to do with the matter

Unfortunately, age has a lot to do with it. Its not so much that at a certain age it all makes sense, but the more stuff you endure throughout life the more information and perspective you take from it. This comes with age. Some people endure more earlier on than others while some remain fairly ignorant for most of their lives. No, your age doesn't matter when it comes to you having an opinion, but age does come into play when you're tasked with forming that opinion based on all of your knowledge thus far....life experiences, philosophical reflection, etc.

My point is, don't take these comments as insults. One day, soon, you'll look back and say, 'hey, I sure know a lot more now than I did back then.' That by itself is what makes age a big factor because the more you learn, the more depth your opinion will have. Just be willing to accept this, but don't stop voicing your opinion! The only way to learn is to get feedback.  Big grin

Quoting Airlinerfreak (Reply 10):
Well it should already be organized before the disaster happens.

It was.  banghead 

Quoting Flight152 (Reply 11):
Yeah, such as cutting funds the last few years that was supposed to go to building up the various retaining walls for this very at risk area.

Here's where the age comes into play again. The cutting of funds has been going on for the past 30 years. To blame it on one administration is to negate the other dozen or so that cut funds as well. Plus, the local government was in charge of distributing those funds...something that they, as the facts are slowly being reveiled, decided to distribute elsewhere.

Quoting Flight152 (Reply 15):
You haven't made one productive comment yet.

When you find the need to comment on this, you don't post a productive one either.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 17):
The President declared the area a Federal Disaster Area on Saturday - TWO DAYS BEFORE THE HURRICANE HIT, making federal funds available - and urged Gov. Blanco to order the evacuation of the entire area.

Thank you  Big grin

Quoting ZRH (Reply 21):
Right, he is not blamed for the disaster but for having sent all money and resources into an illegal, unnecessary war and because of this not being able to react in time to help his own citizens.

Christ, not another jackass trying to twist the topic into how they think the war is illegal. People, this is getting old.

Quoting Dan-Air (Reply 22):
Hugo Chavez summed it up best when he called Bush the "King of Vacations"

And O.J. Simpson said, 'I didn't do it.'
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RE: For All Those Who Keep Blaming The President:

Tue Sep 06, 2005 4:40 am

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 13):
The response time was not slow. The arrival time for aid was slow, and EVERYBODY can be blamed for that. The federal government, the state, the city/local officials. As well as the hoodlums that were shooting at aid workers.

Thus concluding slow response time my friend. You just contradicted yourself. No, not everybody can be blamed for that. What did the city/local officials have to do with it, they were desperatly pleading for help? The government, meaning FEMA and President Bush.
 
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RE: For All Those Who Keep Blaming The President:

Tue Sep 06, 2005 4:42 am

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 26):
Christ, not another jackass trying to twist the topic into how they think the war is illegal. People, this is getting old.

It is perhaps getting old, but even old truths you have to tell.
 
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RE: For All Those Who Keep Blaming The President:

Tue Sep 06, 2005 4:46 am

This says everything:

[quote]
Friday, September 2nd, 2005

Dear Mr. Bush:

Any idea where all our helicopters are? It's Day 5 of Hurricane Katrina and
thousands remain stranded in New Orleans and need to be airlifted. Where on
earth could you have misplaced all our military choppers? Do you need help
finding them? I once lost my car in a Sears parking lot. Man, was that a
drag.

Also, any idea where all our national guard soldiers are? We could really
use them right now for the type of thing they signed up to do like helping
with national disasters. How come they weren't there to begin with?

Last Thursday I was in south Florida and sat outside while the eye of
Hurricane Katrina passed over my head. It was only a Category 1 then but it
was pretty nasty. Eleven people died and, as of today, there were still
homes without power. That night the weatherman said this storm was on its
way to New Orleans. That was Thursday! Did anybody tell you? I know you
didn't want to interrupt your vacation and I know how you don't like to get
bad news. Plus, you had fundraisers to go to and mothers of dead soldiers to
ignore and smear. You sure showed her!

I especially like how, the day after the hurricane, instead of flying to
Louisiana, you flew to San Diego to party with your business peeps. Don't
let people criticize you for this -- after all, the hurricane was over and
what the heck could you do, put your finger in the dike?

And don't listen to those who, in the coming days, will reveal how you
specifically reduced the Army Corps of Engineers' budget for New Orleans
this summer for the third year in a row. You just tell them that even if you
hadn't cut the money to fix those levees, there weren't going to be any Army
engineers to fix them anyway because you had a much more important
construction job for them -- BUILDING DEMOCRACY IN IRAQ!

On Day 3, when you finally left your vacation home, I have to say I was
moved by how you had your Air Force One pilot descend from the clouds as you
flew over New Orleans so you could catch a quick look of the disaster. Hey,
I know you couldn't stop and grab a bullhorn and stand on some rubble and
act like a commander in chief. Been there done that.

There will be those who will try to politicize this tragedy and try to use
it against you. Just have your people keep pointing that out. Respond to
nothing. Even those pesky scientists who predicted this would happen because
the water in the Gulf of Mexico is getting hotter and hotter making a storm
like this inevitable. Ignore them and all their global warming Chicken
Littles. There is nothing unusual about a hurricane that was so wide it
would be like having one F-4 tornado that stretched from New York to
Cleveland.

No, Mr. Bush, you just stay the course. It's not your fault that 30 percent
of New Orleans lives in poverty or that tens of thousands had no
transportation to get out of town. C'mon, they're black! I mean, it's not
like this happened to Kennebunkport. Can you imagine leaving white people on
their roofs for five days? Don't make me laugh! Race has nothing -- NOTHING
-- to do with this!

You hang in there, Mr. Bush. Just try to find a few of our Army helicopters
and send them there. Pretend the people of New Orleans and the Gulf Coast
are near Tikrit.

Yours,

Michael Moore
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RE: For All Those Who Keep Blaming The President:

Tue Sep 06, 2005 4:49 am

According to this ABC News poll, President Bush is NOT taking the brunt of the Katrina criticism. This will no doubt disappoint some....

http://abcnews.go.com/US/HurricaneKatrina/story?id=1094262&page=1
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RE: For All Those Who Keep Blaming The President:

Tue Sep 06, 2005 4:52 am

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 26):
The federal government does not just come in and take control while pushing everyone else out of the way. You have to listen to those who live there and when they don't ask for help yet, there's not much you can do. Louisiana dropped this ball...not Bush.

Actually that is exactly what FEMA does - it's their job to handle this stuff. IF FEMA isn't there to handle the disaster, 100%, why are we spending billions of taxpayer dollars on them? If we don't want FEMA to do it, quit funding them and give the money to the states.

Bush is the top guy on a totem pole in charge of an administration that is falling apart, IMO - not just from this incident, though it shows their lack of competence. Either the buck stops with him or it doesn't. I always like how people twist things the way they want it to look - job creation for example: Job numbers bad it's "well the federal government can not create jobs", job numbers good suddenly it is: "This president has created more than.....jobs". It's called spin. Bush is the top guy, this administration made mistakes - look, you can tell by his actions that he knows he screwed up - he's on trip #2 in a span of, what, 3 days now?

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 26):
This ability to retrieve information to 'back it up' comes with age.

I 100% disagree with you. The ability to back up what you say comes with spending the time to research, making an informed opinion, and then backing up your opinion with facts. Age means nothing, there are a lot of well aged people on this website that are talking points spewing idealogs of the worst kind.

No, backing up your point takes an investigation into the facts, the worst detractor of that is ideology, not age - when you ignore the facts and still try to argue your view.

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 26):
Here's where the age comes into play again. The cutting of funds has been going on for the past 30 years. To blame it on one administration is to negate the other dozen or so that cut funds as well. Plus, the local government was in charge of distributing those funds...something that they, as the facts are slowly being reveiled, decided to distribute elsewhere.

True - the cutting of funds has been going on for years and years
The biggest disaster here was the city filling with water, that happened when the Ponchatrain levee broke - see my reply #20 for more info on that - that was a failure on the part of the federal government and money has been tighter and tighter since 2001.

BTW, I wouldn't necessarily buy into the "they spent the money elsewhere" thing yet - I read that in a post, checked it on google news - NOTHING. I am not sure that's reputable yet, but we'll see, I'll reserve judgment - my point is, I wouldn't quote it as fact just yet.
 
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RE: For All Those Who Keep Blaming The President:

Tue Sep 06, 2005 4:53 am

Quoting KC135R (Reply 25):
...UMMM, excuse me, wasn't this a last ditch effort to assist the people who did not or could not get out of the city in time?

We've all seen the pictures of hundreds of school buses and all the city buses that sat unused. They could have been used over the weekend to ship out all the elderly and other non-mobile people. But they just sat there.

Does anyone have any information on how long it takes for federal forces to get to the site of a large natural disaster, like Hurricane Andrew, Hugo, or the 1989 San Fransisco earthquake?

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RE: For All Those Who Keep Blaming The President:

Tue Sep 06, 2005 4:59 am

Quoting KC135R (Reply 20):
Wow - you really bring a lot to a conversation, don't ya?

Feel free to include the other halve of the conversation next time.
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RE: For All Those Who Keep Blaming The President:

Tue Sep 06, 2005 5:01 am

Quoting Airlinerfreak (Reply 27):
Thus concluding slow response time my friend. You just contradicted yourself.

No, you're wrong. The government responded to Katrina days before she hit the coast. That is not a slow response time. Just because it took several days for aid to arrive in certain places, does not constitute an overall slow response time.

It's a simple concept.




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RE: For All Those Who Keep Blaming The President:

Tue Sep 06, 2005 5:01 am

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 32):
We've all seen the pictures of hundreds of school buses and all the city buses that sat unused. They could have been used over the weekend to ship out all the elderly and other non-mobile people. But they just sat there

There may be some truth to that, I don't know. But didn't this storm go from not much of a threat to becoming an impending disaster in about a 24 hour span? Was there time to coordinate such an exodus? Could they have communicated that to the people who needed to know in time? Maybe so, I don't know though.
 
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RE: For All Those Who Keep Blaming The President:

Tue Sep 06, 2005 5:13 am

I read parts of this thread as I only have a few minutes...but the reason you have the Mayor and the Gov bitching so much is because they dropped the ball here big time...all of this...all of what you see going on could have been avoided if they had acted proactively with a plan of attack rather than run/hide and wait for the Pres....hell they had an extra day after the hurricane before the levee broke.

Giuliani didn't wait...he sacked up and took care of business.
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RE: For All Those Who Keep Blaming The President:

Tue Sep 06, 2005 5:15 am

Quoting Sidewinder (Reply 33):
Feel free to include the other halve of the conversation next time.

No, thanks for the suggestion, but I won't.

I said you don't bring much to a conversation and then quoted the only two things you said to make my point. I don't care what the other person was saying, I wasn't talking about them. I think my point was made and valid.
 
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RE: For All Those Who Keep Blaming The President:

Tue Sep 06, 2005 5:26 am

Quoting ZRH (Reply 28):
It is perhaps getting old, but even old truths you have to tell.

Until you know it is a die-hard truth, I wouldn't claim it as such.

Quoting KC135R (Reply 31):
Actually that is exactly what FEMA does - it's their job to handle this stuff.

But, they are relatively at the descretion of the local authorites. Yes, they run the show and take charge, but only after the local authorities request them and give them the control. This is the separation between state and federal governments. While they are effective when they are properly mobilized and called upon, they can't do anything until they are actually requested.

Quoting KC135R (Reply 31):
The ability to back up what you say comes with spending the time to research, making an informed opinion, and then backing up your opinion with facts.

And most 16 year-olds don't know this fact. This comes with a basic addition of age. And, if you read my entire post, you will see that age isn't an indicator by itself. Yes, you can read and research to your heart's content, but if you don't have the facilities to properly put together the information that you're getting, the end result is not the most educated opinion....this is not dependent upon age, as we BOTH pointed out that many older people have no friggin clue.

Quoting KC135R (Reply 31):
I wouldn't necessarily buy into the "they spent the money elsewhere" thing yet

Yeah, I was posting this carefully. Reports that are slowly oozing out are mainly of people's opinions on how the Louisiana government used the funds given. Until they hold a review of the actual actions with the money, no one will know.
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RE: For All Those Who Keep Blaming The President:

Tue Sep 06, 2005 5:27 am

Quoting NWA742 (Thread starter):
10.) If the energy the news media puts into blaming Bush for an Act of God worsened by stupendous incompetence by the New Orleans city authorities and the malevolence of the criminals of the city were directed to helping the morale of the nation, we would all be a lot better off.



Quoting NWA742 (Thread starter):
12.) The entire episode is a dramatic lesson in the breathtaking callousness of government officials at the ground level. Imagine if Hillary Clinton had gotten her way and they were in charge of your health care.

Yes, imagine if Hillary had been in charge of health care. Because that has so much to do with this hurricane. Much like the charges that Bush is directly to blame for it.

FEMA has also been dismantled and underfunded for so long, much like the Army Corps of engineers, that any response takes a long time. It also does not help that police and troops were stalling rescue personnel so the president could have his photo op.

Could the Bush supporters please explain something to me: How is it that he can cut short his vacation to sign an executive order keeping a brain dead woman hooked up to machines and "living" but when tens of thousands are facing a clear and present danger, he goes golfing in Arizona and has lunch in San Diego? How much time and effort would it have taken to sign an executive order telling United, American and Delta to help fly out the sick, elderly and anyone else who wanted to get out?

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RE: For All Those Who Keep Blaming The President:

Tue Sep 06, 2005 5:29 am

Quoting ZRH" class=quote target=_blank>ZRH (Reply 29):
This says everything

Everything about what? Sorry, ZRH, Michael Moore is a fringe player that makes political movies. This guy is not taken seriously by a majority of Americans--no matter what kind of press he gets in Europe. I posted a poll a few threads earlier that show most people in the U.S., by a fairly significant margin, don't blame the President. Check it out. As I noted earlier, this will disappoint the Bush bashers. This Administration is woefully slow off the mark in the P.R. department, but are great counter-punchers. Watch the spin in the coming weeks.
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RE: For All Those Who Keep Blaming The President:

Tue Sep 06, 2005 5:30 am

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 38):
this is not dependent upon age, as we BOTH pointed out that many older people have no friggin clue.

That's all I am saying - old, young, or anywhere in between - people of all ages make ignorant, non fact based comments all the time. On this we surely agree.  Wink

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 38):
Until they hold a review of the actual actions with the money, no one will know.

Agree here too, we'll see, but for now I just don't know.
 
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RE: For All Those Who Keep Blaming The President:

Tue Sep 06, 2005 5:43 am

Quoting KC135R (Reply 41):
On this we surely agree.

Without a doubt. And the more threads I view, the stronger my footing is in this thought.  Big grin

Quoting KC135R (Reply 41):
Agree here too, we'll see, but for now I just don't know.

And, unfortunately, it doesn't really matter at this point. The fingers will definitely be pointed around the nation, but the damage is already done. Hopefully it won't happen again, but I'm pretty sure that New Orleans will never be the same bustling city that it was.
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RE: For All Those Who Keep Blaming The President:

Tue Sep 06, 2005 6:00 am

Quoting ZRH (Reply 29):
This says everything:

Yep - quoting Michael Moore as a source DOES say everything about you; it totally undermines any credibility you may have once had.

Quoting KC135R (Reply 31):
Actually that is exactly what FEMA does - it's their job to handle this stuff. IF FEMA isn't there to handle the disaster, 100%, why are we spending billions of taxpayer dollars on them? If we don't want FEMA to do it, quit funding them and give the money to the states.

The other day on CNN there was a report about FEMA "War Gaming" a scenario similar to Katrina, but a Category 3. One of the most interesting things in the report? Remarks that in anything over a Category 3, "local officials will need to plan on federal assistance arriving in as many as five to seven days" due to the adverse conditions they could expect such as severe flooding, highway damage, etc.

Clearly, even FEMA acknowledges they have limits when faced with tragedies of this magnitude. I cannot for the life of me understand why people can't be more understanding of that, though.
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RE: For All Those Who Keep Blaming The President:

Tue Sep 06, 2005 6:08 am

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 43):
I cannot for the life of me understand why people can't be more understanding of that, though.

To be honest, and I am not slinging mud at any agency here it is just how I feel, it is hard to be understanding when people who survived a hurricane and the subsequent flooding are then dying in the streets due to starvation and dehydration.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 43):
due to the adverse conditions they could expect such as severe flooding, highway damage, etc.

I was reading about how FEMA turned away Wal-Mart trucks with food/water a day or two after the storm because they told them they couldn't get in to the city. But all the while the press was coming in and out of the city freely, I am not sure that they were blocked out as much as you claim.

No matter...I am in the USAF and I have watched us drop food and water by the thousands of tons to other countries - I wonder why we couldn't have done that here until the FEMA folks could get in by ground, if in fact they could not earlier on.

I don't know whose fault it is right now, but just seems like help was very slow in coming. It was agonizing watching the news at the end of the week as people were literally starving to death in the streets. We should have moved heaven and earth to save these people, which we seem to be now - but later than it should have been.

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RE: For All Those Who Keep Blaming The President:

Tue Sep 06, 2005 6:15 am

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 43):
Clearly, even FEMA acknowledges they have limits when faced with tragedies of this magnitude. I cannot for the life of me understand why people can't be more understanding of that, though.

We live in an age of denial of responsibility. "Forget being responsible for my own life, let the higher ups take car of me." And once the population, mayor, and governor do the same, suddenly the President is responsible.

It is not the job of the Federal government to plan out evacuations. It is not the job of the federal government to maintain law and order. They are simply there as a last resort, once the local and state governments have done all they can, the feds can come to reinforce after a few days. But if the local and state government haven't done crap, it's hardly fair to blame the feds.
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RE: For All Those Who Keep Blaming The President:

Tue Sep 06, 2005 6:31 am

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 45):
It is not the job of the Federal government to plan out evacuations.

Than what is the point of FEMA?? This is exactly what they are there for.
 
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RE: For All Those Who Keep Blaming The President:

Tue Sep 06, 2005 6:36 am

Quoting ZRH (Reply 29):
This says everything:

I feel very sorry for you if you think this.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 43):
Yep - quoting Michael Moore as a source DOES say everything about you; it totally undermines any credibility you may have once had.

I agree completely.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 43):
I cannot for the life of me understand why people can't be more understanding of that, though.

Exactly.

Quoting KC135R (Reply 44):
To be honest, and I am not slinging mud at any agency here it is just how I feel, it is hard to be understanding when people who survived a hurricane and the subsequent flooding are then dying in the streets due to starvation and dehydration.

No, but you are claiming that FEMA had every opportunity to come into the area and instead were just waiting around doing nothing. They couldn't get in because we have laws against them overrunning the local authorities until the locals request the help. I understand your personal feelings with this matter, but you have to detract from those when making claims about the inefficiency of a federal agency when they are doing nothing but following the law.

Quoting KC135R (Reply 44):
But all the while the press was coming in and out of the city freely, I am not sure that they were blocked out as much as you claim.

In case you don't know this, the press has a funny way of sneaking into areas where no one can get into. Its a hell of a lot easier to sneak in a news van without being detected or without getting stuck than it is to steam a convoy of Wal-mart semi's in. And until you go down there, I wouldn't voice what you think the situation is and who you think can get in and out. A group of trucks would have been pretty damn blocked...end of story.

Quoting KC135R (Reply 44):
I wonder why we couldn't have done that here until the FEMA folks could get in by ground, if in fact they could not earlier on.

1. Because an air drop over the desert is not the same as an air drop into a metropolitan area.
2. The city was and still is under water. Pallets of supplies would have sunk.
3. People are on rooftops...a 2-ton pallet of stuff is going to kill someone, break through the roof and then ultimately sink anyway.
4. You can't air drop shit when you don't know where it can go.
5. You can't air drop anything with the low-level flight needed to aim it perfectly on selected buildings when you're taking heavier fire than most war zones.
6. You're dropping supplies into swarms of desperate people who are already killing for what's on the ground....this now creates a riot.
7. The time it takes to gear up an aircraft for a drop, pretty much only a helicopter at this point because of the need to pin point the supplies carefully onto a location, and get it over to the location of where to drop, you could have picked up a dozen people and brought them out of the situation altogether.

I understand your thinking behind this, but an air drop would have been a disasterous event. A fixed-wing aircraft would have slammed the supplies down in the middle of the water, tearing up anything the pallets fall onto until it comes to a stop and sinks. So the only alternative would have been a vertical insertion. But, the risk taken to drop supplies in would be better warranted by just pulling the people out in the first place. You don't know where the supplies must go to be safely distributed, so there's not much you can do but drop them somewhere in the middle of it all. If this happened, there would be a horrible riot to get to the supplies with the criminals taking control of it....this now leads to the people who need them most not getting a single thing. Unfortunate? Yes...but very real.

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 45):
But if the local and state government haven't done crap, it's hardly fair to blame the feds.

Thank you.  bigthumbsup 
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RE: For All Those Who Keep Blaming The President:

Tue Sep 06, 2005 6:36 am

Quoting ZRH (Reply 29):
This says everything

No, it doesn't. It's absolutely typical Michael Moore -- twisting the facts into snippy criticism without offering one solitary idea about how to solve the problem.

Quoting ZRH (Reply 29):
I especially like how, the day after the hurricane, instead of flying to Louisiana, you flew to San Diego to party with your business peeps. Don't let people criticize you for this -- after all, the hurricane was over and what the heck could you do, put your finger in the dike?

Fly to Louisiana and land where? Do what? MSY was underwater, and Baton Rouge was full of relief flights. Sure, Bush and his entourage could have tied up the airport for a few hours for a PR stunt, but does anyone think this would have made MM happy?

Quoting ZRH (Reply 29):
And don't listen to those who, in the coming days, will reveal how you specifically reduced the Army Corps of Engineers' budget for New Orleans this summer for the third year in a row. You just tell them that even if you hadn't cut the money to fix those levees, there weren't going to be any Army engineers to fix them anyway because you had a much more important construction job for them -- BUILDING DEMOCRACY IN IRAQ!

The levee project proposed by the Corps was a 30 year effort that had been underfunded by every previous administration since at least Nixon. Besides, the 17th Street levee that failed had just been upgraded.

Quoting ZRH (Reply 29):
On Day 3, when you finally left your vacation home, I have to say I was moved by how you had your Air Force One pilot descend from the clouds as you flew over New Orleans so you could catch a quick look of the disaster. Hey, I know you couldn't stop and grab a bullhorn and stand on some rubble and act like a commander in chief. Been there done that.

Again, typical Moore. What should Bush have done? He shouldn't fly over and he shouldn't come and rally the workers. If he stays in Crawford, he's still on vacation. If he continues with his schedule, including meeting with veterans on VJ day, he doesn't care. If he goes back to Washington, he's running back to Rove and Cheney and distancing himself from the problem. If he goes to Louisiana, it's just a photo op that gets in the way of the real work.

Nothing Bush can do will make these people happy, which is why they're totally irrelevant.

Quoting ZRH (Reply 29):
Even those pesky scientists who predicted this would happen because the water in the Gulf of Mexico is getting hotter and hotter making a storm like this inevitable. Ignore them and all their global warming Chicken Littles. There is nothing unusual about a hurricane that was so wide it
would be like having one F-4 tornado that stretched from New York to
Cleveland.

Idiotic comment. The National Hurricane Center states that global warming has had no effect on tropical cyclone frequency, intensity, or damage tracks:
As discussed in the previous section, it is highly unlikely that global warming has (or will) contribute to a drastic change in the number or intensity of hurricanes. We have not observed a long-term increase in the intensity or frequency of Atlantic hurricanes.

http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/tcfaq/G4.html
http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/tcfaq/G3.html

Even if it did, laying the blame on Bush alone is absurd.

Michael Moore is nothing but a crass political opportunist. This is the same guy who, on September 12, while the World Trade Center was still burning and people were still trapped in the rubble, complained that the terrorists had killed too many Democrats and not enough Republicans:
This just is not right. They did not deserve to die. If someone did this to get back at Bush, then they did so by killing thousands of people who DID NOT VOTE for him! Boston, New York, DC, and the planes' destination of California -- these were places that voted AGAINST Bush!

MichaelMoore.com, September 12, 2001 (since deleted)

Why anyone listens to a word this buffoon says is beyond me.

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RE: For All Those Who Keep Blaming The President:

Tue Sep 06, 2005 7:00 am

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 47):
They couldn't get in because we have laws against them overrunning the local authorities until the locals request the help.

The locals were SCREAMING for help from the first day - if FEMA really could not get in that's one thing, but not being asked was not the reason.

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 47):
And until you go down there, I wouldn't voice what you think the situation is and who you think can get in and out.

Have you been there then? If not then all you and I can go on is what the press is telling us and from what I have read there were some routes in. But as I said before, that is beside the point.

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 47):
1. Because an air drop over the desert is not the same as an air drop into a metropolitan area.

I know that - but it might have been worth a try.

Airdrop food in (the yellow humanitarian rations float I do believe) and airlift with a helicopter the water pallets. I know you said a vertical airdrop wouldn't be worth it because they could just lift people out, but surely they can get water in for more people than they can drag actual people out in one helicopter flight. Or how about this one - bring water in, take people out - why wouldn't that work?

All I am saying is that it seems like the relief effort completely stalled for two days and I want to know why. I am not assigning blame now, I just want to know what happened.

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