OYRJA
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Comeback For Lance Armstrong?

Tue Sep 06, 2005 10:23 pm

According to Lance Armstrong we eill probably be able to see him next year in the Tour De France again.
He is so sick and tired of listening to the frenchies that he wants to show them once and for all that he can win for the 8th time Big grin

I only got one thing to say:

Go Lance and show them what you got!! Big grin
 
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RE: Comeback For Lance Armstrong?

Tue Sep 06, 2005 10:25 pm



...From http://www.cyclingnews.com:

The seven-times Tour de France winner has also been contemplating a possible come-back at the French Grand Tour 2006 although the Texan retired from the sport just a few weeks ago. "I'm thinking about it," Armstrong told The American Statesman's Suzanne Halliburton. "I'm thinking it's the best way to piss (the French) off," he added, in response to French newspaper L'Equipe, which reported on August 23 that it had proof that Armstrong used the banned drug EPO in the Tour 1999, the first Tour the American won.

Armstrong, who denies the allegation firmly, said he entertained the idea for the past two weeks, since the publication of the paper initialising the controversy. When asked how serious he was about another Tour, Armstrong said, "I'm exercising every day." Armstrong is still in good shape and will participate in the Tour Of Hope from September 29 to October 8, 2005. He will also be part of the Discovery Channel's first team training camp for next season in early December in Austin, Texas.






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RE: Comeback For Lance Armstrong?

Tue Sep 06, 2005 10:42 pm

He has nothing to prove....

If he races again and loses he will not go out on top....

Enjoy retirement Lance....
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RE: Comeback For Lance Armstrong?

Tue Sep 06, 2005 10:44 pm

Quoting OYRJA (Thread starter):
Go Lance and show them what you got!!

You mean he will share his "magic pills" with the world???? scratchchin 

Oh, my bad! I've got it now! mischievous 








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RE: Comeback For Lance Armstrong?

Tue Sep 06, 2005 10:44 pm

Quoting OYRJA (Thread starter):

Go Lance

FTF!!!
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RE: Comeback For Lance Armstrong?

Tue Sep 06, 2005 10:49 pm

Quoting OYRJA (Thread starter):
Tour De France

Tour De France?

Oh, you mean the "Lance Armstrong Cup!"
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RE: Comeback For Lance Armstrong?

Tue Sep 06, 2005 10:55 pm

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 4):
FTF!!!

FTF? What does that mean?  Smile

Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 3):
You mean he will share his "magic pills" with the world????

Hey Did Indurain also take Magic Pills when he won 5 times in a row?

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 5):
Tour De France?

Oh, you mean the "Lance Armstrong Cup!"

Oh sorry my bad. Thats what I ment of course  Wink
 
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RE: Comeback For Lance Armstrong?

Tue Sep 06, 2005 10:59 pm

Quoting OYRJA (Reply 6):
Hey Did Indurain also take Magic Pills when he won 5 times in a row?

Off course (because he isn't French)!

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RE: Comeback For Lance Armstrong?

Tue Sep 06, 2005 11:00 pm




Quoting SATL382G (Reply 2):
He has nothing to prove....



Maybe not, but he can have quite a temper. If your goal was to get him to ride the Tour again, your very best course of action would be to do exactly what l'Equipe is doing.



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RE: Comeback For Lance Armstrong?

Tue Sep 06, 2005 11:07 pm

Quoting Pelican (Reply 7):
Off course (because he isn't French)!

Thats true of course.  Smile
But it wonders me that no one started a rumour about him like they have done with Armstrong.
 
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RE: Comeback For Lance Armstrong?

Tue Sep 06, 2005 11:30 pm

Quoting OYRJA (Reply 9):
But it wonders me that no one started a rumour about him like they have done with Armstrong.

Well, probably because he is not only not French but American, made it even worse Wink

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RE: Comeback For Lance Armstrong?

Tue Sep 06, 2005 11:58 pm

Don't know if it has been reported in the media in the US, but the president of the World Anti Doping Agency, Dick Pound, has just made a statement saying he is convinced Lance Armstrong took EPO:

"I've seen the test results of the lab in Châtenay-Malabry. I have no reason to doubt the labs expertise nor its integrity. The facts are clear; there is no doubt in my mind that he took EPO in 1999 when he won his first Tour"

The words of the president of the WADA itself, guys.

Even if Armstrong still has the guts to come back after all these revelations about his cheating, the organization of the Tour de France should just refuse to let him participate.
 
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RE: Comeback For Lance Armstrong?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 12:09 am




Quoting Sabenapilot (Reply 11):
The words of the president of the WADA itself, guys.



You left something out.


...From http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...wl_afp/cyclingusawada_050905201530

He added: "WADA did not receive details of the riders involved. All we got was the results of the test analyses from the French laboratory which don't include any names.

"The information concerning Lance Armstrong originates from L'Equipe newspaper."




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RE: Comeback For Lance Armstrong?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 12:53 am

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 12):
All we [WADA] got was the results of the test analyses from the French laboratory which don't include any names.

Correct, because under the strict terms with the UCI to which the cyclists accepted to give their blood samples to the WADA for verification of the new testing method, this was all that was allowed! It was to be an anonymous test and the lab did as was asked from them: analyze the samples and report their findings without naming any persons.

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 12):
The information concerning Lance Armstrong originates from L'Equipe newspaper

What L'Equipe did was to do what the WADA could legally not do because the UCI wouldn't give it the code list, i.e. to simply check who handed in sample number XYZ123.

Now that the list has been made public by L'Equipe though an alternative method, the WADA can use it and Dick Pound has apparently made his devastating conclusions.
 
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RE: Comeback For Lance Armstrong?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 1:12 am

OK...so the idea is to discredit the man because he has been unbeatable on the road?

Go ahead and accept what the paper says when it clearly has already circumvented the existing rules with the intent to harm the reputation of the worlds greatest bicyclist?

How can you trust this information that comes up this late? How do you know that the blood tested was his? You are easily accepting that which you wish to be true.
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RE: Comeback For Lance Armstrong?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 1:14 am

Tour de France is a private business, they can include and exclude anyone they like. If they want to let Lance EPOstrong compete, then let them - just don't call it a bike race, call it a drugs race
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RE: Comeback For Lance Armstrong?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 2:48 am

Quoting DL021 (Reply 14):
Go ahead and accept what the paper says when it clearly has already circumvented the existing rules with the intent to harm the reputation of the worlds greatest bicyclist?

What rules were circumvented ?

Quoting DL021 (Reply 14):

How can you trust this information that comes up this late?

Perhaps because these tests were made for technical reasons, in 2005, with a 2005 method...which was not available before.

Quoting DL021 (Reply 14):
How do you know that the blood tested was his?

Nobody so far has denied that the samples were LA's.
By the way, 40 samples from the '98 TdF tested positive, only 15 in '99.
The fact is that (pick one: some, quite a few, many) athletes are cheating.

I guess you are all for cleanliness and integrity in sports, irrespective of nationalistic sensitivities, right ?

Stay informed... (the Hamilton case should be heard by the CAS today)
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RE: Comeback For Lance Armstrong?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 7:04 am

Heres a quote from Lance

"I'm thinking it's the best way," to anger the French, he told the newspaper. "I'm exercising every day."

http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/4844624

Go get em Lance

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RE: Comeback For Lance Armstrong?

Wed Sep 07, 2005 10:56 am

Quoting DL021 (Reply 14):
How can you trust this information that comes up this late? How do you know that the blood tested was his? You are easily accepting that which you wish to be true.

Better yet,the information comes from France! Look at their history! Pathetic!
 
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RE: Comeback For Lance Armstrong?

Thu Sep 08, 2005 5:29 am

Quoting OYRJA (Reply 6):
FTF? What does that mean? Smile

In "nicer" terms, fornicate the French

btw, I don't agree with this in general terms but would strongly apply this sentiment to the French Cycling press and Dick Pound who has less discretion than Andrew Dice Clay or Howard Stern.
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RE: Comeback For Lance Armstrong?

Thu Sep 08, 2005 5:51 am

I think a better question would be where around Austin, Texas do they train?

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 1):
He will also be part of the Discovery Channel's first team training camp for next season in early December in Austin, Texas.

I always thought they did their first team training in the Tennessee or Colorado mountains.

I think we have killed the drug issue to death in another forum and since this forum is about his "comeback" let's stick to the subject.

I'm a huge LA fan (in case you didnt know from my other posts) but I see this as a mistake. I think he has more to lose than to gain by competing in another tour. His team looked great this year and they still look good in the Vuelta right now but its time to pass it on to the next leader. It would be great to see Lance race in a supporting position but we all know thats not going to happen. Forget the french and concentrate on managing the Discovery Channel team and the cancer foundation. Go out and stay out on top!

Although it would be nice to see these three together for another year...

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RE: Comeback For Lance Armstrong?

Thu Sep 08, 2005 5:54 am

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 1):
"I'm thinking it's the best way to piss (the French) off,"

He tried- he fucking tried to get along with those people and all they can do is yell "Dopee! Dopee!" Well, all you'll do is strengthen his resolve.

Quoting Sabenapilot (Reply 11):
Even if Armstrong still has the guts to come back after all these revelations about his cheating, the organization of the Tour de France should just refuse to let him participate.

Why? Nothing's proven, especially not on a sample that never met chain of custody requirements, was an old sample and has been tested almost an infinte number of times for everything else under the sun over the past few years. Make no mistake, if Armstrong does return, he'll voluntarily make his body a pincushion and let them sample any damn thing they want whenever they want just to vindicate his own outrage.

Quoting 747400F (Reply 15):
Tour de France is a private business, they can include and exclude anyone they like. If they want to let Lance EPOstrong compete, then let them - just don't call it a bike race, call it a drugs race

Ah, slander. Nice. If you're going to selectively assume Armstrong was juiced, then you better be ready to call of the race for eternity because then they're ALL doing it. Don't be naive.

Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Reply 19):
In "nicer" terms, fornicate the French

Watch it- I got a temporary ban for saying that one time.  Smile
 
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RE: Comeback For Lance Armstrong?

Thu Sep 08, 2005 7:16 am

Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Reply 19):
btw, I don't agree with this in general terms but would strongly apply this sentiment to the French Cycling press and Dick Pound who has less discretion

The French cycling press picked up on things that have to do with LA's personality and how that person is perceived by his colleagues/competitors/enemies on the roads of the TdF (very specifically the TdF, no other race).
This has nothing to do with his nationality....but LA has banked on this and garnered solid US media backing....good for his sponsors and his off road contracts. Make no mistake, LA is not naive, very far from that.

His type of "strong leadership" in the TdF was not limited to his team, he did in fact establish "rules of good conduct as per LA" and at times has been very clear in scolding and even threatening some co-riders.
Right or wrong, that was his choice, he liked controlling the event from A to Z.
I cannot blame it for that, but fellow riders (and entire teams) were really pissed off at his "dictatorship on wheels" (the word is not much of an exaggeration).
Some riders (not only French) did express their anger to a microphone or a pen and from thereon it snowballed.
LA did little, very little, to alleviate the growing antipathy, but he did a lot to build up his image in his market. Calculated or not, everyone is free to opt.

Is he seriously considering coming back ? I don't think so and for many reasons.
One, it is likely that the rules will have changed by then, one of it being the ban on the usage of (expensive) "oxygen tents".
Second, the interdiction for non-accredited "doctors" to approach riders at any time during the period of the race.
I might add that those few words will keep him in focus of the media for a few months, perhaps not a wrong PR move.

I assume you may realize that Dick Pound is pretty well the only guy in the whole hierarchy whom is actually pushing to get things done, ie. to make WADA a useful agency and the national federations to really take their responsibilities.
He does call a cat a cat, no doubt.
If one interest is in diplomacy he will not be his paragon, if one hopes sports should become a lot more cleaner, one will pay attention to what he says.

I assume everyone will have noted that he is about the only authority in and around cycling that is not paid by or through the cycling business....

Quoting Iakobos (Reply 16):
I guess you are all for cleanliness and integrity in sports, irrespective of nationalistic sensitivities, right ?

Right or wrong guess ?
 
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RE: Comeback For Lance Armstrong?

Thu Sep 08, 2005 7:19 am

How is it a comeback if technically he hasn't left yet?
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RE: Comeback For Lance Armstrong?

Thu Sep 08, 2005 7:30 am

Quoting Iakobos (Reply 22):
Is he seriously considering coming back ? I don't think so and for many reasons.
One, it is likely that the rules will have changed by then, one of it being the ban on the usage of (expensive) "oxygen tents".

Actually Jan Ullrich not Lance Armstrong is the biggest supporter of Oxygen tents and brought the technique into vogue...

...Lance was just following the German trend.

http://www.altitudetraining.com/html/story_ullrich.html

No joke, the T-mobile star carries his biggest secret in a little suitcase. In training camps or before a race, he unpacks the tent and sleeps in it. There he has a very special, peaceful sleep – altitude training while sleeping. A specially developed generator takes in air and removes some of the oxygen and sends this low oxygen air into the tent. Inside the tent because like the air at altitude. He can adjust the generator so that he is at the equivalent of 2000 to 3500 meters, explained the team doctor, Lothar Heinrich. The effect is the same consequences as being at altitude. While sleeping, Ulrich’s body adjusts to the low oxygen air. Heinrich: “ In this environment, his body builds more red blood cells which are responsible for transporting oxygen through the body. When he then gets on his bike and trains in the normal environment, his body is stronger.”

So I think Lance will still have the advantage even if they ban the 'tents'.
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RE: Comeback For Lance Armstrong?

Thu Sep 08, 2005 11:46 am

The article (seems from 2005) basically says that Ullrich uses the hypoxico tent to try to beat LA (implying: LA does not use it...wrong of course)
When it comes to "enhancements techniques" (not talking "drugs" here), nobody beats LA.

Anyway, these have been used for much longer (prior to 2000).
In theory there is nothing really wrong with this kind of virtual training at altitude....taken alone, except for the fact that not everyone can pay for it, which leaves athletes to fall in two categories: with hypo help / without hypo help.
In context, this hypoxico (25,000$) is only one element of an athlete's "physical" preparation.
Everyone starts realizing why a "very specialized" medecineman comes into play ?

This link is much better
http://wired-vig.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,49085,00.html
 
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RE: Comeback For Lance Armstrong?

Thu Sep 08, 2005 12:21 pm




Quoting Slider (Reply 21):
He tried- he fucking tried to get along with those people and all they can do is yell "Dopee! Dopee!" Well, all you'll do is strengthen his resolve.



Well, I think it's important not to apply the opinions of jealous, outspoken assholes to the rest of France. Lance has actually cultivated a great relationship with much of the French population.

I totally see your point, but let's be careful not to assume ALL....or even most of the French are a part of this jealous witch hunt.



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