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F1: Belgian GP

Fri Sep 09, 2005 11:40 am

To the greatest circuit on the F1 calendar this weekend ...  bigthumbsup 

If Alonso wins and Kimi finishes fourth or lower, he becomes the first post-Schumacher World Champion. Unlikely though.

Predicted results:

1: Raikkonen
2: Montoya
3: Alonso

Pretty Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz result ... unless of course Kimi blows yet another engine in practice, in that case he'll finish second to Montoya. I don't think any other team is in the same ballpark at the moment.

BAR will get close to Renault and Button will probably do better than Fisichella. Anyone willing to bet on Sato for a spectacular accident sometime during the weekend?

Hopefully rain will spice things up a little, midrace rain even better, maybe even see the Ferraris having a better time of it ...
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RE: F1: Belgian GP

Fri Sep 09, 2005 4:21 pm

Villenuve to go flat out through Eau Rouge and demolish his car like he did with his BAR a few years back.
 
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RE: F1: Belgian GP

Fri Sep 09, 2005 4:48 pm

It's going to be a lovely race, as always at Spa-Francorchamps. Together with the GP in Canada, I think these are the nicest of the year!

And I actually hope Schumacher does well!

[Edited 2005-09-09 09:49:29]
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RE: F1: Belgian GP

Fri Sep 09, 2005 4:54 pm

Quoting AMSGOT (Reply 2):
And I actually hope Schumacher does well!

 rotfl 

I've got a pedal car that will go better than a Ferrari at Spa. I can't see SM finishing in the top 8 if both McLarens, Renaults, BARs and Toyotas finish the race.
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RE: F1: Belgian GP

Fri Sep 09, 2005 4:56 pm

Quoting HKGKaiTak (Thread starter):
If Alonso wins and Kimi finishes fourth or lower, he becomes the first post-Schumacher World Champion. Unlikely though.

you never know with Kimi's crap engine. I hope Kimi wins just so the season is not over, but Alonso is very close.

If this does not happen, then I want, obviously, MS to win
 box  bring it on!!

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RE: F1: Belgian GP

Fri Sep 09, 2005 6:03 pm

I've been to Spa several times, Scbriml, and I saw Schu perform in the rain...should it rain everyhting seems possible. As was the case with Senna, Schu is still in his own world when it comes to driving in the rain.

Ask Hill....in 1996 I believe it was, it started raining, stronger and stronger, and Schu was out on slicks, Hill on rain tires (not intermediates!!), and he couldn't get past Schu for 7 laps, go figure!

Or Barcelona mid-nineties...even English newspapers adopted the headline "He came, saw, and walked on the water!" ...about 3 seconds faster than any other driver, and one of them was Alesi, another proven rain-guru.

There's only one rain performance that was even better: Senna 1993, Donington, first lap: I sat there, my mouth hanging agape and it took me several minutes to come down again on regular blood pressure Big grin
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RE: F1: Belgian GP

Fri Sep 09, 2005 6:41 pm

Anybody remember that HUGE crash at Spa in 1998? Video here: http://www.funny-games.biz/videos/111-huge-f1crash.html

Now that is a crash!
 
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RE: F1: Belgian GP

Fri Sep 09, 2005 11:15 pm

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 3):
I've got a pedal car that will go better than a Ferrari at Spa. I can't see SM finishing in the top 8 if both McLarens, Renaults, BARs and Toyotas finish the race.

Don't forget SPA also means a lot of chance for rain (seeing the predictions for the weekend).
That automatically means that engine power will be less of a factor and driver skills all the more.
Also SPA differentiates the men from the boys and MS surely is a man behind the wheel.

Together with Suzuka (JAP) , my favorite track.

Edited for content:
Sorry Andreas I missed your post but all i can say is I agree!

[Edited 2005-09-09 16:20:37]
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RE: F1: Belgian GP

Fri Sep 09, 2005 11:37 pm

Montoya was lucky, an engine problem was discovered before he could start his practice run, if he had run one lap it would´ve meant 10 places in the start. Kimi best and Wurz second (McLaren´s third driver).
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RE: F1: Belgian GP

Sat Sep 10, 2005 9:17 pm

Grid:

1 JP. Montoya McLaren 1:46.391
2 K. Räikkönen McLaren 1:46.440
3 G. Fisichella Renault 1:46.497
4 J. Trulli Toyota 1:46.596
5 F. Alonso Renault 1:47.760
6 R. Schumacher Toyota 1:47.401
7 M. Schumacher Ferrari 1:47.476
8 F. Massa Sauber 1:47.867
9 J. Button BAR 1:47.978
10 M. Webber Williams 1:48.071
11 T. Sato BAR 1:48.353
12 D. Coulthard Red Bull 1:48.508
13 R. Barrichello Ferrari 1:48.550
14 J. Villeneuve Sauber 1:48.889
15 A. Pizzonia Williams 1:48.898
16 C. Klien Red Bull 1:48.994
17 R. Doornbos Minardi 1:49.779
18 C. Albers Minardi 1:49.842
19 T. Monteiro Jordan 1:51.498
20 N. Karthikeyan Jordan 1:51.675

Fisichella will be moved back 10 positions though.
Looks like a 1-2 result for Mclaren tomorrow, atleast I really hope so.
 
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RE: F1: Belgian GP

Sat Sep 10, 2005 9:51 pm

Fisichella has had no luck all year. Actually I don't think the guy has had luck all his career. Joined Benetton on a downward spiral, then onto Jordan when they're on an even bigger downward spiral ... even when he won his first race he didn't get to stand on the podium as the race winner. Now finally back in a competitive team ...  Sad

I wonder how much fuel is on board that Renault - you would've thought they have fuelled him heavy heavy heavy if he's gonna take a 10-spot hit, and yet he outqualifies Alonso ...

Interesting too to note Montoya is on pole, wonder whether JPM has learned the words "team order" yet ... (yeah yeah team order is "illegal" but whatever!)

Quoting Andreas (Reply 5):
Ask Hill....in 1996 I believe it was, it started raining, stronger and stronger, and Schu was out on slicks, Hill on rain tires (not intermediates!!), and he couldn't get past Schu for 7 laps, go figure!

Well if anyone else was blocking like Schumacher was, nobody would've gotten through either ... some questionable driving there from Michael but brilliant nevertheless. It was 1995, btw, still Schumacher's greatest season. Can't believe it was 10 years ago.

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RE: F1: Belgian GP

Sun Sep 11, 2005 5:37 pm

HKG, I think it was a big mistake to sign Fisichella despite his win in Oz, I think Trulli is a much better driver.
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RE: F1: Belgian GP

Sun Sep 11, 2005 6:32 pm

Quoting Alessandro (Reply 11):
I think Trulli is a much better driver

I think Fisichella i sa great driver. Trulli on the other hand is good at qualifying but he is always slow in the races.
 
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RE: F1: Belgian GP

Sun Sep 11, 2005 9:00 pm

Quoting Alessandro (Reply 11):
I think it was a big mistake to sign Fisichella despite his win in Oz, I think Trulli is a much better driver.

Trulli is a definately a much better qualifyer, but as for driving, I think that's questionable.

He constantly blitzes qualifying, then goes into the race and falls asleep after 3 laps, becoming a mobile chicane centred on the racing line. Cue memories of various races with the top 2 or 3 racing away and long train of 5 to 6 cars following the napping Trulli.

Anyway, can't wait for the race. Predicting:
McLaren 1st and 2nd,
Alonso 3rd,
Fisi to disappoint,
Ralf to be exceedingly mediocre,
Trulli to be 3 secs off the pace by lap 5, and
Webber to run some poor sod off the road.
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RE: F1: Belgian GP

Mon Sep 12, 2005 12:05 am

Well, equal, Fischi and Trulli both crashed out, also Montoya and the Red Baron crashed.
Kimi won and Alonso came 2nd....
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RE: F1: Belgian GP

Mon Sep 12, 2005 1:08 am

I love what Kimi did when SC came out and how he and the team handled the pit stop. Driving very slowly to hold everyone up and gave as much time as the pitcrews needed to clean JPM and prepare for Kimi, brilliant.

The chance of Kimi to claim the title this year is very slim now, but anyway, we still have the constructor title which Mclaren has a better chance indeed if JPM does not crash out on the final stage anymore
 
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RE: F1: Belgian GP

Mon Sep 12, 2005 1:23 am

1. Kimi
2. Alonso
3. Button
4. Webber
5. Barrichello
6. Villeneuve (Yay! But WTF?)
7. Ralf
8. Monteiro (WTF?)

By the way, great a driver as Michael Schumacher is, anyone notice how it's never his own fault when anything happens? He's on and on about Sato today.
 
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RE: F1: Belgian GP

Mon Sep 12, 2005 1:28 am

Quoting Jasepl (Reply 16):
By the way, great a driver as Michael Schumacher is, anyone notice how it's never his own fault when anything happens? He's on and on about Sato today.

Didn't you see the race? Sato ran right into the back of him!
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RE: F1: Belgian GP

Mon Sep 12, 2005 1:40 am

Andz, what I should have added was that it's not as if Sato did it deliberately, that's all.
 
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RE: F1: Belgian GP

Mon Sep 12, 2005 1:51 am

Of course he didn't, I wasnt implying he did.
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RE: F1: Belgian GP

Mon Sep 12, 2005 11:10 am

Quoting Jasepl (Reply 16):
By the way, great a driver as Michael Schumacher is, anyone notice how it's never his own fault when anything happens? He's on and on about Sato today.

Well, just like the tunnel incident with JPM last year wasn't his fault, nor did he accept the Coulthard crash in 98 as a racing incident either ...

Fortunately for MS, he was run into the back of by Sato, who isn't known for keeping himself out of trouble ... and remember Suzuka 2003?

Quoting Alessandro (Reply 11):
I think it was a big mistake to sign Fisichella despite his win in Oz, I think Trulli is a much better driver.

Well Fisi signed for Renault before he won Melbourne ... IMHO Fisichella is a much better driver than Trulli. Trulli is a spectacular qualifier (just see how he always trounces Ralf), but for some reason just isn't too special in the race.

Ironic, given Trulli came to prominence with the actual race in Austria in 97, where he could well have won the race in the Prost if not for the Mugen-Honda engine blowing up rather spectacularly.
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RE: F1: Belgian GP

Mon Sep 12, 2005 4:39 pm

Great race.

Good result, could have been better had it not been for Pizzonia (tw@t).

I hear that Mclaren were possible using team orders today though, does seem a little odd how JPM pace 'slowed' in the latter part of the race as soon as Kimi was in command - not that I am bothered as the tactics were discreet and not in your face...

And I am really happy and delighted to see Michael's FANTASTIC result! Big grin It gives me real pleasure to see that team in these difficult times.

Role on Sao Paulo!

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RE: F1: Belgian GP

Mon Sep 12, 2005 7:54 pm

Well Montoya better look out for Pizzonia in the last few races.

While recovering from his testing accident, Heidfeld has fallen off his bike and sounds like he's broken some bones. Apparently that's him out for the rest of the season now.

Pizzonia's been fined 4500 USD and has accepted full responsibility for the accident with Montoya.
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RE: F1: Belgian GP

Mon Sep 12, 2005 9:46 pm

Quoting BA757 (Reply 21):
It gives me real pleasure to see that team in these difficult times.

I actually enjoy last year more. Not on the Ferrari part, but McLaren. Struggled for most of the season with realibility and poor design, then before the end of the season started bouncing back and this season on the battle for the constructor title. Really nice job.
 
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RE: F1: Belgian GP

Mon Sep 12, 2005 10:10 pm

Quoting HKGKaiTak (Reply 20):
IMHO Fisichella is a much better driver than Trulli

I so agree on that, he hardly ever makes any mistakes, I believe it was the correct choice to pick Fisichella to drive alongside with Alonso rather than Trulli.
Talking about how unlucky he is, well.....HE'S HAD SO MUCH BAD LUCK, that's all I can say about that, and even now when he's in a good car, he's the one who gets moved down 10 places due to an engine change. How unlucky.

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RE: F1: Belgian GP

Tue Sep 13, 2005 4:43 am

Anyone else thinks that Sato is soon history in F1? He been moved down 10 spots in next qualifying due the crash with the Red Baron, a bit harsh I think
but now it´s decided.
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RE: F1: Belgian GP

Tue Sep 13, 2005 4:54 am

Quoting Alessandro (Reply 25):
Anyone else thinks that Sato is soon history in F1?

I think he's not a bad driver, but he just can't learn how to drive without screwing everyone else!

Quoting Alessandro (Reply 25):
He been moved down 10 spots in next qualifying due the crash with the Red Baron, a bit harsh I think

As much as I am a big MS and most of all, Ferrari fan, i think it's harsh as well. It's an accident, something implied in any car race. He's been punished probably for being involved in too many accidents, and the fact that this time it was with MS just pumped up the decision
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RE: F1: Belgian GP

Tue Sep 13, 2005 9:24 am

Quoting Alessandro (Reply 25):
Anyone else thinks that Sato is soon history in F1?

I do, his results this year are so much worse than that of Button's that I don't think BAR would want him next year ...

It's a shame, I thought Sato was actually worthy of an F1 drive and not one of these Japanese drivers who has a seat in F1 courtesy of a Japanese manufacturer. Sadly, he is in F1 because he drives a Honda and he's Japanese ...

That said, I too think the 10 grid slot penalty is very harsh ... at a restart this can only be considered a racing incident.

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 26):
He's been punished probably for being involved in too many accidents, and the fact that this time it was with MS just pumped up the decision

I think this has something to do with the grid slot penalty. Let's not forget the only other guy who copped this one was Massa in 2002, and Sato's driving is not exactly different ...
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RE: F1: Belgian GP

Wed Sep 14, 2005 1:07 pm

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 26):
He's been punished probably for being involved in too many accidents, and the fact that this time it was with MS just pumped up the decision

mm.. and MS' flipping his visor shut right after the incident isn't worthy of anything? To have a few harsh words is one thing, but to physically attack somone, even if it is as minor as flipping a visor shut, is something, in my opinion, that deserves punnishment as well.

Quoting HKGKaiTak (Reply 27):
That said, I too think the 10 grid slot penalty is very harsh ... at a restart this can only be considered a racing incident.

MS flipping his visor shut also deserves a penalty. Talk about being unsporting, and MS isn't even in championship contention.
 
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RE: F1: Belgian GP

Wed Sep 14, 2005 3:52 pm

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 28):
mm.. and MS' flipping his visor shut right after the incident isn't worthy of anything?

I agree 100% with you. I agree with Sato's punishment, but I think MS should get some as well. Not sure what kind of punishment (are there any specific rules for this?), but something should have been done. Maybe a fine? or an official appology letter? or take off a few points?
dunno, but something should be done.

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RE: F1: Belgian GP

Wed Sep 14, 2005 4:15 pm

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 29):
I agree 100% with you. I agree with Sato's punishment, but I think MS should get some as well. Not sure what kind of punishment (are there any specific rules for this?), but something should have been done. Maybe a fine? or an official appology letter? or take off a few points?
dunno, but something should be done.

Well since it would be against sporting regulations, some kind of fine is most likley payable. Although to hit the point home that physical attacks against a driver and/or offical is not tolderated, docking of points or a suspended race ban on someone like MS would probably get the point accross.
 
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RE: F1: Belgian GP

Wed Sep 14, 2005 4:47 pm

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 29):
I agree 100% with you. I agree with Sato's punishment, but I think MS should get some as well.

Its that one rule for one person and another for the rest again...its always Ferrari and Schumacher too. Funny that isn't it?

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RE: F1: Belgian GP

Wed Sep 14, 2005 4:58 pm

Quoting BA757 (Reply 31):
Its that one rule for one person and another for the rest again...its always Ferrari and Schumacher too. Funny that isn't it?

What do you mean?
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RE: F1: Belgian GP

Wed Sep 14, 2005 8:07 pm

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 32):
What do you mean?

Sato gets a 10 spot penalty for what appears to be a normal racing incident, MS gets nothing despite the fact he approached Sato said something to him and hit the front of his helmet forcing the visor shut and gets away with it.
 
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RE: F1: Belgian GP

Wed Sep 14, 2005 9:11 pm

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 32):
What do you mean?

Not to upset you  Wink but I mean its literally one rule for Ferrari and another for the rest of the grid.

Sorry but its true.

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RE: F1: Belgian GP

Wed Sep 14, 2005 10:04 pm

And now HP are ending their sponsorship of Williams at the end of this season.

Not a season for Wiliams to remember with much fondness.......
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RE: F1: Belgian GP

Wed Sep 14, 2005 10:06 pm

Quoting BA757 (Reply 34):
its literally one rule for Ferrari and another for the rest of the grid.

Just like it was last year when MS was stuck in the sand, and a functionary pushed him back on the track. I bet this had not been approved if it was another driver.
 
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RE: F1: Belgian GP

Thu Sep 15, 2005 4:01 am

Quoting BA757 (Reply 34):
Not to upset you

Don't worry, watching Ferrari this season has been upestting, not you  Smile

Quoting BA757 (Reply 34):
but I mean its literally one rule for Ferrari and another for the rest of the grid.

Sorry but its true.

Probably is true, but as you can see from this seasons' results, it won't help if you have a crap car Big grin

I find the attitude towards Ferrari by authorities to be similar to, for example, the rules applied to Real Madrid or Barcelona in Spanish football. Two years ago the Barça stadium got suspended for two games. The club used as many lawyers they had on it and all that came out of that was a 4000 EUR fine (yeah, like thats even money for them!). Sevilla had their stadium suspended for a similar reason, and the next home game they had to play in another city.

Should not be this way, neither for my beloved Cavallino

Adam, I think this is the first time we actualyy agree on Ferrari related issues  Smile
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RE: F1: Belgian GP

Thu Sep 15, 2005 8:44 am

Quoting EddieGunsmoke (Reply 36):
Just like it was last year when MS was stuck in the sand, and a functionary pushed him back on the track. I bet this had not been approved if it was another driver.

No, that push was well within the rules, he was stuck in a dangerous spot and marshals can push a car away. The only thing I doubt was whether the marshals of any other circuit would have pushed him at all or refused and told him to get out of the car ... it was the Nurburgring after all!

That pass by JPM was brilliant, btw.

Quoting Cornish (Reply 35):
And now HP are ending their sponsorship of Williams at the end of this season.

Not a season for Wiliams to remember with much fondness.......

Williams season is just a disaster. I wonder what Mark Webber must be thinking now - Coulthard's Red Bull is right there with him almost every race! By Ralf and JPM leaving it was supposed to be a rebuilding season instead it just all fell apart, with some flashes of brilliance thrown in there. 2006 with those Cossies would be another trying season. Sounds very much like another 1998-99 to me when Renault pulled the plug on F1. Ah well, let's hope Toyota engines do the trick for 07.

And then there's the tussle for the second seat ... Button, Pizzonia, or Heidfeld? Actually I vote for Anthony Davidson ...

I thought HP was going to end the sponsorship no matter what happened ... they inherited the sponsorship contract from the Compaq takeover and they weren't too happy about spending so much money on motorsports.
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RE: F1: Belgian GP

Thu Sep 15, 2005 11:32 am

Quoting Cornish (Reply 35):
And now HP are ending their sponsorship of Williams at the end of this season.

Not a season for Wiliams to remember with much fondness.......

Maybe Sir Frank is begninng to wish he sold up to BMW. That $22 million for Jensons contract is probably looking more and more appealing as each day goes by.

Quoting HKGKaiTak (Reply 38):
I thought HP was going to end the sponsorship no matter what happened ... they inherited the sponsorship contract from the Compaq takeover and they weren't too happy about spending so much money on motorsports.

HP Renewed it a few years back after the Compaq takeover. The agreement has ended one year early.
 
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RE: F1: Belgian GP

Thu Sep 15, 2005 4:01 pm

Quoting HKGKaiTak (Reply 38):
No, that push was well within the rules, he was stuck in a dangerous spot and marshals can push a car away. The only thing I doubt was whether the marshals of any other circuit would have pushed him at all or refused and told him to get out of the car ... it was the Nurburgring after all!

Yes, I know that rule. But cars are stuck in dangerous spots all the time. I just don't believe that this spot "had been considered so dangerous" if it was another driver.
 
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RE: F1: Belgian GP

Thu Sep 15, 2005 6:50 pm

I to am a die-hard Tiffosi but this is the first year I actually wish someone else to win, Tiago Monteiro... He is a good pilot but with a Jordan he doesn't stand a chance.
Still, great 8th place with the car he has.

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RE: F1: Belgian GP

Thu Sep 15, 2005 6:54 pm

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 41):
Monteiro... He is a good pilot

Is he? I don't think he is anything special.

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 41):
Still, great 8th place with the car he has

Nope thats not bad for a Jordan these days.

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 37):
I find the attitude towards Ferrari by authorities to be similar to, for example, the rules applied to Real Madrid or Barcelona in Spanish football. Two years ago the Barça stadium got suspended for two games. The club used as many lawyers they had on it and all that came out of that was a 4000 EUR fine (yeah, like thats even money for them!). Sevilla had their stadium suspended for a similar reason, and the next home game they had to play in another city.

Should not be this way, neither for my beloved Cavallino

Adam, I think this is the first time we actually agree on Ferrari related issues

Indeed, yes I agree with you - it probably is the first time us two have agreed on Ferrari related issues!  Smile

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 37):
it won't help if you have a crap car

I love to here people say that about F! :d

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RE: F1: Belgian GP

Fri Sep 16, 2005 6:48 am

Quoting BA757 (Reply 42):
Is he? I don't think he is anything special.

I agree he hasn't had much chance to prove himself but if you put him in a good car I believe he will be able to do good things. He is certainly way faster than Khartikeyan.

I agree Ferrari usually doesn't play by the same rules than others... I mean, as a reward for being so good at theur job the FIA consistently comes up with rules to screw them. It is like forcing the Brazilian national team players to play with their legs tied together.

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RE: F1: Belgian GP

Fri Sep 16, 2005 3:12 pm

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 43):
I mean, as a reward for being so good at theur job the FIA consistently comes up with rules to screw them

But when the numbers on TV are falling because the result is predictable someone has to take action. Otherwise the sponsors are soon going to find somewhere else to spend their money and the sport will be no more.

But the rule changes did nothing did they? The other teams have simply gotten their act togeather while Ferrari have most likley gotten complacent and fallen appart.
 
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RE: F1: Belgian GP

Fri Sep 16, 2005 3:43 pm

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 44):
But when the numbers on TV are falling because the result is predictable someone has to take action

true, but you must admit it is unfair.

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 44):
The other teams have simply gotten their act togeather while Ferrari have most likley gotten complacent and fallen appart.

Also true, and I hope Ferrari do get their act together for next season!
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RE: F1: Belgian GP

Fri Sep 16, 2005 4:46 pm

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 44):
The other teams have simply gotten their act togeather while Ferrari have most likley gotten complacent and fallen appart.

Spot on.

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 43):
He is certainly way faster than Khartikeyan

Some of the people I speak to believe he is only in F1 for political reasons - to help India get a GP.

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RE: F1: Belgian GP

Fri Sep 16, 2005 6:39 pm

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 45):
Quoting Bill142 (Reply 44):
The other teams have simply gotten their act togeather while Ferrari have most likley gotten complacent and fallen appart.

Also true, and I hope Ferrari do get their act together for next season!

I think you'll find that much of Ferrari's increasing drop-off in performance as the season has gone on is due to the fact they are concentrating fully on their new 2006 car and engine and have stopped ALL development of the 2005 model, knowing they're not in with a sniff of winning anything this year.
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RE: F1: Belgian GP

Fri Sep 16, 2005 7:08 pm

Quoting Cornish (Reply 47):
I think you'll find that much of Ferrari's increasing drop-off in performance as the season has gone on is due to the fact they are concentrating fully on their new 2006 car and engine and have stopped ALL development of the 2005 model, knowing they're not in with a sniff of winning anything this year.

So they say...up to you if you believe that or not.

They would hardly come out and say "Oh we are still developing the 06 car and losing more performance every race - Mclaren and Renault are simply making more ground"

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RE: F1: Belgian GP

Fri Sep 16, 2005 7:18 pm

Quoting BA757 (Reply 48):
So they say...up to you if you believe that or not.

They would hardly come out and say "Oh we are still developing the 06 car and losing more performance every race - Mclaren and Renault are simply making more ground"

I'm no Ferrari fan, but i think that's very much the case. And actually a sensible move if true. There's been no major revisions, no B-spec of a car that is not competitive. with rtheir resources they'd be revising the car heavily if they really wanted to. But it hasn't happened. But next year is all new, and if I was in their position I'd do the same.
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