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Fmr. US Secretary Of State Colin Powell On Katrina

Sat Sep 10, 2005 12:22 am

Powell might want to be careful with what he says. If he's seen as being disrespectful of the president in any way he just might find himself on the wrong end of the next smear campaign.

"Former US Secretary of State Colin Powell has said he fails to understand why better preparations were not made before Hurricane Katrina struck."

http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/mpapps/pag...bc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4229238.stm

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There were "a lot of failures at a lot of levels - local, state and federal", Mr Powell told ABC.

"There was more than enough warning over time about the dangers to New Orleans - not enough was done," he said.

Mr Powell's views will be heard with particular interest as he is a highly respected figure and a prominent black American, the BBC's Justin Webb reports from Washington.

The Pew Research Center, which ran the new opinion poll, also indicated that two-thirds of the African-Americans questioned believed the government reaction would have been faster if most of those affected had been white.

But Mr Powell said so many African-Americans were left unprotected because they were poor, rather than because they were black.

It "should have been a blinding flash of the obvious... that when you order a mandatory evacuation, you can't expect everybody to evacuate on their own", he said.

Who are these 28% who think that Bush did all that he could?! Even if you don't hold Bush accountable, who in their right mind would say he did every last thing he possibly could?!

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RE: Fmr. US Secretary Of State Colin Powell On Katrina

Sat Sep 10, 2005 12:36 am

Quoting SATX (Thread starter):
The Pew Research Center, which ran the new opinion poll, also indicated that two-thirds of the African-Americans questioned believed the government reaction would have been faster if most of those affected had been white.

Riiiiiight...they're black, I forgot, no one cares... sarcastic 

Quoting SATX (Thread starter):
But Mr Powell said so many African-Americans were left unprotected because they were poor, rather than because they were black.

It "should have been a blinding flash of the obvious... that when you order a mandatory evacuation, you can't expect everybody to evacuate on their own", he said.

So true. Maybe Mayor Dipshit should have thought of this in the NO evac plan.
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RE: Fmr. US Secretary Of State Colin Powell On Katrina

Sat Sep 10, 2005 12:55 am

Quoting TPASXM787 (Reply 1):
So true. Maybe Mayor Dipshit should have thought of this in the NO evac plan.

I couldn't have said it better myself had I posted it in techicolor.

Maybe Mr. Mayor  hissyfit  could have actually practiced the plan once . . . just once.

Maybe Mr. Mayor could have had the couple hundred school busses turned submarines at the ready instead of sitting in a parking lot, and then blaming the fed because no one comandeered Greyhounds.

Maybe Mr. Mayor could have had pre-designated Hurricane Evac pickup points as it oulined in the plan they in fact had instead of "Go to the Superdome".

Maybe Mr. Mayor could have gotten off his ass - even without Federal or State direction - and moved his city's population out of harms way instead of issuing an bogus, impossible evacuation order less than 24 hours before the shit storm?

Maybe Mr. Mayor should subscribe to The Weather Channel so he can see these big frickin' hurricanes BEFORE they make landfall or listen to the National Hurrican Center when they CALL him on the PHONE and tell him about it?

Maybe Mr. Mayor could have had prepositioned stocks of food and water at his "Refuge of Last Resort" like Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, Austin, Mobile, Pensacola, etc . . . .?

I could go one - but no one gives a hoot how badly the state and local governments hosed this operation . . . it's easier for everyone to pick on their favorite target of the day rather expand their minds . . .
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RE: Fmr. US Secretary Of State Colin Powell On Katrina

Sat Sep 10, 2005 3:56 am

Quoting SATX (Thread starter):
Powell might want to be careful with what he says. If he's seen as being disrespectful of the president in any way he just might find himself on the wrong end of the next smear campaign.

Is that the same team that has been launcing smear campaigns against President Bush & anybody connected with him....

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There were "a lot of failures at a lot of levels - local, state and federal", Mr Powell told ABC.

"There was more than enough warning over time about the dangers to New Orleans - not enough was done," he said.

This answers the race question, but wait a minute, the Black community thinks that Powell is a traitor.. Smile

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But Mr Powell said so many African-Americans were left unprotected be cause they were poor, rather than because they were black.

This comment is directed towards the local government:

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It "should have been a blinding flash of the obvious... that when you order a mandatory evacuation, you can't expect everybody to evacuate on their own", he said.

When the hell are they going to get out !

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As many as 10,000 of the original 450,000 residents were still believed to be in New Orleans by the time the mayor ordered the compulsory evacuation of the city. [quote]
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RE: Fmr. US Secretary Of State Colin Powell On Katrina

Sat Sep 10, 2005 3:58 am

Hello, Mr Mayor buses were over here:


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RE: Fmr. US Secretary Of State Colin Powell On Katrina

Sat Sep 10, 2005 4:03 am

Quoting TPASXM787 (Reply 1):
Riiiiiight...they're black, I forgot, no one cares...

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RE: Fmr. US Secretary Of State Colin Powell On Katrina

Sat Sep 10, 2005 4:19 am

Yes, yes, the mayor is responsible also. Nothing said about the president should be interpreted as any sort of exoneration of the mayor or the governor for that matter. In fact, I will readily concede that Bush isn't even the primary screwball in charge this time around. However, that still doesn't mean Bush should be given an unconditional 'get out of jail free' card simply because someone else was more directly involved and managed to screw up worse than he did.

At first I thought Bush was pretty much outside of this mess, but he put himself in it by trying to jump on the 'everything's under control' bandwagon followed abruptly by 'nobody thought the presumably inevitable would ever really happen' nonsense position. When he finally started to acknowledge the obvious reality of the issue, the damage had already been done. It sucks to think about all those hours and eventually days wasted while he was patting the back of folks who quite simply weren't getting the job done. He even had the gall to imply that it was somehow a surprise that the levies broke and water actually flooded the city that so many had said would probably flood someday.
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RE: Fmr. US Secretary Of State Colin Powell On Katrina

Sat Sep 10, 2005 4:19 am

Quoting SATX (Thread starter):
Racism has been the center of the Conservative political strategy since day one.

Absolutely, and it's worked like charmed before America was a nation and is the old reliable 'ace-in-the-hole' if all else fails ...or when they feel the need to employ 'a divide and conquer' strategy.


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RE: Fmr. US Secretary Of State Colin Powell On Katrina

Sat Sep 10, 2005 4:30 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):
Maybe Mr. Mayor could have actually practiced the plan once . . . just once.



Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):
. . . it's easier for everyone to pick on their favorite target of the day rather expand their minds . . .

Are you including yourself here? I thought the victims of Katrina were suffering simply because they were all too "stupid" to leave town on their own. That was the word you used, no?  Yeah sure
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RE: Fmr. US Secretary Of State Colin Powell On Katrina

Sat Sep 10, 2005 4:34 am

SATX

Funny how the chain-of-command, if the person on the bottom is screwed up, they will make everybody on up look bad.
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RE: Fmr. US Secretary Of State Colin Powell On Katrina

Sat Sep 10, 2005 6:19 am

Quoting B744F (Reply 5):
Racism has been the center of the Conservative political strategy since day one.

You know it was Rove and those damn Jews steering that storm right into a city that is 67% black. Amazing what you can do with technology these days  Yeah sure.
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RE: Fmr. US Secretary Of State Colin Powell On Katrina

Sat Sep 10, 2005 6:22 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 10):

You know it was Rove and those damn Jews steering that storm right into a city that is 67% black. Amazing what you can do with technology these days Yeah sure.

Once again we have the usual suspects denying reality, using ad-homonym attacks, and rolling their eyes
 
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RE: Fmr. US Secretary Of State Colin Powell On Katrina

Sat Sep 10, 2005 6:23 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 10):
You know it was Rove and those damn Jews steering that storm right into a city that is 67% black.

See.
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RE: Fmr. US Secretary Of State Colin Powell On Katrina

Sat Sep 10, 2005 6:29 am

Quoting Kevi747 (Reply 8):
I thought the victims of Katrina were suffering simply because they were all too "stupid" to leave town on their own. That was the word you used, no?

Only HALF right there Kevi . . . those poor souls who had no way to leave town, no means to leave town, now I feel terribly about that . . . and there's over 200 busses drowned in a submarine because of a grossly negligent inept city and state government. . . .

Those folks that had the means to leave (and carry some other soul with them) and didn't, who are now screaming, "Help me, Help me". Well, stupid is the appropriate adjective.

You were close though . . . but still no cigar . . . study harder next time  wink 
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RE: Fmr. US Secretary Of State Colin Powell On Katrina

Sat Sep 10, 2005 6:31 am

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 12):
Those fundie fascists blame everything on the Jews.

...and racism
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RE: Fmr. US Secretary Of State Colin Powell On Katrina

Sat Sep 10, 2005 6:31 am

Apparently, ANCFlyer and others who blame the Mayor agree with Mr Powell. Or did I miss something?

Quoting SATX (Thread starter):
There were "a lot of failures at a lot of levels - local, state and federal", Mr Powell told ABC.
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RE: Fmr. US Secretary Of State Colin Powell On Katrina

Sat Sep 10, 2005 6:33 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 13):
Those folks that had the means to leave (and carry some other soul with them) and didn't, who are now screaming, "Help me, Help me". Well, stupid is the appropriate adjective.

Disgusting.

So going by this "logic" anyone who saw the first strike on the WTC and didn't immediately go far away from the city has no business crying help me help me and is stupid for even asking for assistance.

You fit the law enforcement profile quite nicely
 
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RE: Fmr. US Secretary Of State Colin Powell On Katrina

Sat Sep 10, 2005 6:41 am

Quoting B744F (Reply 16):
You fit the law enforcement profile quite nicely

Says the voice of Mr. No Source Required. What know you of Law Enforcement. Go wait on your Mothership download. . . .

Quoting B744F (Reply 16):
So going by this "logic" anyone who saw the first strike on the WTC and didn't immediately go far away from the city has no business crying help me help me and is stupid for even asking for assistance

Just how gawddamn ridiculous does this sound??? What an assinine analogy. The two can't even be compared. A sneak attack that happened in an instant vice a deliberate, predicted, announced and monitored Hurriance. Spare me your drivel.

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 15):
Apparently, ANCFlyer and others who blame the Mayor agree with Mr Powell. Or did I miss something?

Quoting SATX (Thread starter):
There were "a lot of failures at a lot of levels - local, state and federal", Mr Powell told ABC.

I've said that all along . . . NoUFO . . . the failures in NOLA are the responsibility of all levels. I give the biggest portion of the responsibility to the Mayor of an unprepared city. Then the cry baby Governor who has no clue how to manage in a crisis. And FEMA for moving like Pond Water, and in some cases, Stagnant Pon Water.
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RE: Fmr. US Secretary Of State Colin Powell On Katrina

Sat Sep 10, 2005 6:45 am

Quoting B744F (Reply 16):
So going by this "logic" anyone who saw the first strike on the WTC and didn't immediately go far away from the city has no business crying help me help me and is stupid for even asking for assistance.

Did anyone have 24-48 hours advance notice of impending doom on 9/11?

Quoting B744F (Reply 16):
You fit the law enforcement profile quite nicely

Dude, just TRY thinking sometimes. Humor us.
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RE: Fmr. US Secretary Of State Colin Powell On Katrina

Sat Sep 10, 2005 6:47 am

Quoting B744F (Reply 11):
using ad-homonym attacks

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RE: Fmr. US Secretary Of State Colin Powell On Katrina

Sat Sep 10, 2005 7:19 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 17):
Just how gawddamn ridiculous does this sound??? What an assinine analogy. The two can't even be compared. A sneak attack that happened in an instant vice a deliberate, predicted, announced and monitored Hurriance. Spare me your drivel.

It doesn't matter how different you can claim they are. The point is, for various reasons people didn't leave and got caught up in tragedies. Calling them stupid and laughing at their help me claims is horrible and morally disgusting.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 18):
Dude, just TRY thinking sometimes. Humor us.

I would love to take lessons from all you. Your vast intelligence is just so overwhelming I find it hard to even speak sometimes. All your knowledge about the world is so different than what I've read in school and heard from various racists/sexist/class hating individuals. I need to have some study sessions to take notes on all these great ideas put forth by you superior people
 
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RE: Fmr. US Secretary Of State Colin Powell On Katrina

Sat Sep 10, 2005 7:24 am

Fox News says the president is doing a herculean job and saving the whole area, they are fair and balanced so it must be true.
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RE: Fmr. US Secretary Of State Colin Powell On Katrina

Sat Sep 10, 2005 7:32 am

Quoting B744F (Reply 20):
Calling them stupid and laughing at their help me claims is horrible and morally disgusting.

Let me spell this out for you . . . . in plain, non-Vulcan English . . .

While it's certainly, utterly tragic that these people lost everything - and I realize that - for them to have had a means to escape this debacle (and possibly save one or two other people who may not have had the means to escape) is stupid. For them to then begin sceaming help me because they refused to help themselves when they had the means to do so is a self-inflicted wound.

I have no sympathy for self-inflicted wounds . . .


And, I assure you I'm not laughing . . . since it's my tax dollars (and yours) that will foot the bill . . .
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RE: Fmr. US Secretary Of State Colin Powell On Katrina

Sat Sep 10, 2005 7:45 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 22):
I have no sympathy for self-inflicted wounds . . .

Yes they all should have had the same hindsight and packed up what stuff they had and get in whatever transportation they had and just leave.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 22):
And, I assure you I'm not laughing . . . since it's my tax dollars (and yours) that will foot the bill . . .

I have no problem giving my tax dollars to these people instead of 2 wars that were fought on shaky ground and corporate welfare galore.
 
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RE: Fmr. US Secretary Of State Colin Powell On Katrina

Sat Sep 10, 2005 7:55 am

Quoting B744F (Reply 23):
Yes they all should have had the same hindsight and packed up what stuff they had and get in whatever transportation they had and just leave

No gawddamn hindsight required when a predicted, forecasted, broadcasted, and monitored Cat 5 Hurriance is coming . . . the only hindsight you better have, if able to leave, is the view of the place your hauling ass away from in your rear view mirror . . .
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RE: Fmr. US Secretary Of State Colin Powell On Katrina

Sat Sep 10, 2005 7:59 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 22):
I have no sympathy for self-inflicted wounds .

Many of them had no means (money) to get out and no help was offered.

Must be nice to know everything.
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RE: Fmr. US Secretary Of State Colin Powell On Katrina

Sat Sep 10, 2005 8:41 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 24):
if able to leave,

key words right there.
 
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RE: Fmr. US Secretary Of State Colin Powell On Katrina

Sat Sep 10, 2005 9:12 am

Quoting 1MillionFlyer (Reply 25):
Many of them had no means (money) to get out and no help was offered.

Must be nice to know everything.

Look Hero - if you'd read more than one post of mine you'd see where that has been my consistent position on this entire evacuation - or lack thereof.

For those poor souls with no alternative, I have great compassion . . . I think their government at all levels failed them . . .starting with their dear beloved Mayor!

Why don't you get educate yourself, and then come on back and toss your barbs . . .

Quoting B744F (Reply 26):
key words right there.

Exactly.
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RE: Fmr. US Secretary Of State Colin Powell On Katrina

Sat Sep 10, 2005 9:14 am

Quoting MidnightMike (Reply 4):
Hello, Mr Mayor buses were over here:

This picture should make the whole country mad as hell! Why, in God's name, weren't those buses used to bus the poor out of the city? How many souls could have been saved?

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RE: Fmr. US Secretary Of State Colin Powell On Katrina

Sat Sep 10, 2005 10:04 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 13):
Only HALF right there Kevi . . . those poor souls who had no way to leave town, no means to leave town, now I feel terribly about that . . . and there's over 200 busses drowned in a submarine because of a grossly negligent inept city and state government. . . .

Those folks that had the means to leave (and carry some other soul with them) and didn't, who are now screaming, "Help me, Help me". Well, stupid is the appropriate adjective.

Wow, a human heart does beat within that jaded chest of yours. There's hope for you yet, papa.  Wink
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RE: Fmr. US Secretary Of State Colin Powell On Katrina

Sat Sep 10, 2005 10:06 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 27):

Why don't you get educate yourself,

Interesting
 
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RE: Fmr. US Secretary Of State Colin Powell On Katrina

Sat Sep 10, 2005 10:09 am

chirp chirp chirp.....
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RE: Fmr. US Secretary Of State Colin Powell On Katrina

Sat Sep 10, 2005 10:13 am

Quoting DL021 (Reply 31):
chirp chirp chirp.....

So not only do you all never demand sources from like minded sheep, but you don't critize their grammar either.
 
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RE: Fmr. US Secretary Of State Colin Powell On Katrina

Sat Sep 10, 2005 10:16 am

Quoting B744F (Reply 32):
So not only do you all never demand sources from like minded sheep, but you don't critize their grammar either.

chirp chirp chirp....criticize spelling...chirp chirp
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RE: Fmr. US Secretary Of State Colin Powell On Katrina

Sat Sep 10, 2005 10:17 am

Quoting B744F (Reply 32):
So not only do you all never demand sources from like minded sheep, but you don't critize their grammar either.

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RE: Fmr. US Secretary Of State Colin Powell On Katrina

Sun Sep 11, 2005 12:06 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 27):
Why don't you get educate yourself, and then come on back and toss your barbs .

I guess I need to be a blinded Bush follower to be in "Educated" in your mind  Smile
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RE: Fmr. US Secretary Of State Colin Powell On Katrina

Sun Sep 11, 2005 12:20 am

Quoting 1MillionFlyer (Reply 35):
I guess I need to be a blinded Bush follower to be in "Educated" in your mind

Not at all, it has nothing to do with PotUS, it has everything to do with the post you made having read one or two of mine and assuming you knew my position on the issue . . . you did not, and perhaps do not. Nothing more.

Granted there are a lot of Katrina posts out here (no shit huh! ) but my position never changed . . . if you'd read more than a few posts you'd know that.
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RE: Fmr. US Secretary Of State Colin Powell On Katrina

Sun Sep 11, 2005 12:24 am

I agree that the mayor was an idiot and the governor is not much better. My only point is that you seem to be going a little hard on the people that couldn't get out.

ANCFLyer your posts are fair, and you do respect other's opinions. I rarely agree with you in totality but I agree with you 90% on this issue.

[Edited 2005-09-10 17:27:29]
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RE: Fmr. US Secretary Of State Colin Powell On Katrina

Sun Sep 11, 2005 12:29 am

Quoting 1MillionFlyer (Reply 37):
I agree that the mayor was an idiot and the governor is not much better. My only point is that you seem to be going a little hard on the people that couldn't get out.

Only those my friend that had the means and the wherewithall and did not - and are now screaming help me help me - only those.

Not the poor and unfortunate who had no other options . . . for those folks I feel pity and I'm sorry . . .

I have no sympathy however for Self-Inflicted wounds.
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RE: Fmr. US Secretary Of State Colin Powell On Katrina

Sun Sep 11, 2005 12:43 am

I can agree with that statement 100% !
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RE: Fmr. US Secretary Of State Colin Powell On Katrina

Sun Sep 11, 2005 1:00 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 38):
Only those my friend that had the means and the wherewithall and did not - and are now screaming help me help me - only those.

Further, these folks that could have evacuated and are now screaming for pity have diverted and consumed resources that should have been used to assist those less fortunate . . . and the criminal element that purposely remained to ply their trade in a lawless city diverted even more of those very precious, limited resources.  irked 

No one should pity a fool, especially these idiots.
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RE: Fmr. US Secretary Of State Colin Powell On Katrina

Sun Sep 11, 2005 2:13 am

At the rate that traffic was moving, I must wonder how many would have perished while sitting on that bridge across Lake Ponchatrane? Was there actually time for everyone to get out?
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