rojo
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25,000 Brazilians Arrested By The US Border Patrol

Sat Sep 10, 2005 7:51 am

Mexico imposes Visas to Brazilian nationals (Brazil retaliates)!

After the Mexican government deported more than 10,000 Brazilian citizens (7,178 rejected at airports, 1,304 deported without proper documents and 1,676 secured for entering illegally to the country and sent back home) during the first 7 months of 2005, the Mexican government decided to suspend the reciprocity treaty they had signed with Brazil, where Brazilian nationals benefited of traveling to Mexico Visa free since 2000 and Mexican nationals of traveling to Brazil Visa free since 2004. Brazil just announced they will retaliate.

According to the Mexican Foreign Relations Ministry (SRE), 70,000 Brazilian nationals have entered Mexico since February 2004 and only 7,000 have left the country. The question is, where are the other 63,000? The US Border Patrol has arrested 25,000 Brazilian nationals in the first 7 months of 2005.

The funny part of this issue is that a congressman in Brazil named Helio Costa considered that the decision taken by the Mexican Foreign Relations Ministry is the result of political pressure applied by the US government to Mexico because most of the Brazilian nationals entering Mexico are crossing the border . He also said that since there are not that many Brazilian nationals crossing the border compared to Mexican nationals, then it is not fair for Mexico to impose a Visa. Interesting point and comparison!!

So what do you guys think? Is Mexico doing things right by impossing a Visa to Brazilian nationals to prevent more Brazilian immigrantion to the US even when tons of Mexicans do so?

More in Spanish:

http://www2.eluniversal.com.mx/pls/i...ia.html?id_nota=304170&tabla=notas

http://www.reforma.com/nacional/articulo/562174/

http://www.reforma.com/nacional/articulo/562079/
 
skyone
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RE: 25,000 Brazilians Arrested By The US Border Patrol

Sat Sep 10, 2005 11:54 pm

Wow, that is a lot. Did not know there were that many coming to Mexico
 
ANCFlyer
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RE: 25,000 Brazilians Arrested By The US Border Patrol

Sun Sep 11, 2005 12:03 am

So maybe I missed something here . . .

The thread title says 25,000 Brazilians arrested by the US Border Patrol. But your entire thread opener doesn't say shit about the USBP, rather it discusses a lot of issues regarding Mexico and Brazil, and has but ONE line about the US.

Quoting Rojo (Thread starter):
The US Border Patrol has arrested 25,000 Brazilian nationals in the first 7 months of 2005.

Can you explain the relevence of your title versus the content? If not, change the title, or I Suggest Delete for misleading post and obvious flamebait.
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rojo
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RE: 25,000 Brazilians Arrested By The US Border Patrol

Sun Sep 11, 2005 12:28 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):
So maybe I missed something here . . .

The thread title says 25,000 Brazilians arrested by the US Border Patrol. But your entire thread opener doesn't say shit about the USBP, rather it discusses a lot of issues regarding Mexico and Brazil, and has but ONE line about the US.

Oops, the title was too long that it did not fit. It should read "25,000 Brazilians Arrested By The US Border Patrol, US Government puts pressure on Mexico to stop the flocking of immigrants by imposing High Security Visas to Brazilian nationals"

The US government donated Mexico a High Security System that issues and manages Visas and is putting pressure on Mexico to impose visas to nationals of countries that are using Mexico as a gateway to the US. Mexico has always said that no other nation tells them how to manage their foreign relations and, in this case, they are doing so.
 
ANCFlyer
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RE: 25,000 Brazilians Arrested By The US Border Patrol

Sun Sep 11, 2005 12:34 am

Quoting Rojo (Reply 3):
Oops, the title was too long that it did not fit. It should read "25,000 Brazilians Arrested By The US Border Patrol, US Government puts pressure on Mexico to stop the flocking of immigrants by imposing High Security Visas to Brazilian nationals"

Thanks . . .

Perhaps you and a moderator - via e-mail - can adjust the title so you don't get  flamed  . . . .

Perhaps it ought to read something along the lines of "US/Mexico Border Patrol arrests Brazilians" or something along those lines.
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mia
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RE: 25,000 Brazilians Arrested By The US Border Patrol

Sun Sep 11, 2005 1:55 am

I think its damn right. Mexico is doing the right thing. Somehow it is OKAY for countries to condone illegal immigration. Go back home illegal immigrants.
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ltbewr
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RE: 25,000 Brazilians Arrested By The US Border Patrol

Sun Sep 11, 2005 3:48 am

In the NY City/Newark, NJ area, there is a number (1000's?) of illegal Brazillians, most of whom are just overstaying visas or working illegally on tourist visas. So the problem isn't just at the border with Mexico.
 
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RE: 25,000 Brazilians Arrested By The US Border Patrol

Sun Sep 11, 2005 4:40 am

Quoting Rojo (Reply 3):
"25,000 Brazilians Arrested By The US Border Patrol, US Government puts pressure on Mexico to stop the flocking of immigrants by imposing High Security Visas to Brazilian nationals"

My God, that would have been a long thread title. smile 
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Brasuca
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RE: 25,000 Brazilians Arrested By The US Border Patrol

Sun Sep 11, 2005 7:06 pm

Rojo,
First of all, you used the wrong word, probably because of Mexican Press. It's wrong to name it RETALIATION !!! There is one basic principle in Diplomacy called RECIPROCITY, by which brazil deals, i.e. regarding Visa treaties, Brazil requires Visa for those Nationals whose country requires Visa for Brazilians. This is even extended to the cost.

Here are some examples: The US charges USD 100 for Brazilians to apply for Visa, then Brazil charges the same amount for americans to apply for one; the US started to fingerprint Brazilians upon arrival and Brazil had to fingerprint americans too; Recently New Zealand, South Africa, Honduras and Czech Republic banned Visa requirement for Brazilians Nationals, therefore Brazil banned Visa requirements for those Nationals as well.
It's all a matter of RECIPROCITY.

However, Reciprocity law in Brazil is under reassessment by the Government, for the purpose of increasing tourism. The first to take advantage on this would be Americans.

Mexico is a sovereign country. Theoretically their decisions must not be ruled by any other country. But that's not what happens in Politics today, and everyone knows the US squeezes Mexico for higher border security and Mexico has now a new immigration policy for Brazil, that's it.

Now, IMO, Mexico has taken the right measure, as I believe Brazilians have increased in Mexico with final destination the US.
Mexican Embassy stated this measure is to help them avoid illegal immigrants. Visa requirement will undergo facile means.

As for the topic title, according to Rojo's focus in the text, it should be "Mexico: new visa policy for Brazilians and Brazil response". Moderators can handle it.

Brazil and Mexico share an excellent relationship since decades, there is no need to feel hurt.
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LipeGIG
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RE: 25,000 Brazilians Arrested By The US Border Patrol

Sun Sep 11, 2005 11:15 pm

Trying to keep my self into the topic, Mexico will lost some brazilians that may travell to Cancum. Now Brazilians will be required to ask for Visas, something that other destinations like Aruba does not ask for.

But i agree, it's difficult to avoid the brazilians trying to get into US.

That's a smart decision from Mexico Government. Now such brazilians must ask for US Visas.
(But nothing avoid brazilians to ask for Mexico Visa and to try to get into US)

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