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New Orleans Mayor Nagin Moves To Dallas

Tue Sep 13, 2005 2:44 pm

Mayor Nagin has bought a house in Dallas. Not moved into a hotel, or put his family in a temporary apartment....he's bought a house and enrolled his kids in school there.

Does that sound like the act of a man who is staying with his city? Is he running out on them? I could see sending his wife and kids there, but he evidently has been there (other than the trip down to meet the President in NO) for several days. Does he plan on abandoning New Orleans, or simply resigning from the job?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,169194,00.html

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RE: New Orleans Mayor Nagin Moves To Dallas

Tue Sep 13, 2005 2:52 pm

I doubt his chances at reelection are very good, maybe he is cutting his losses.
 
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Nagin Moves To Dallas

Tue Sep 13, 2005 2:53 pm

Looks pretty bad. I'm sure he's planning on resigning over this. If not, he should be.

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RE: New Orleans Mayor Nagin Moves To Dallas

Tue Sep 13, 2005 3:28 pm

After what Mayor Nagin has been through in the last weeks, I wouldn't plan on running for re-election either and instead plan for a new job, in a new city. In the meantime, this looks bad, like he has abandoned the city too and they still need a full-time mayor.
 
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Nagin Moves To Dallas

Tue Sep 13, 2005 3:43 pm

Not to steal ANC's invention, but maybe Mayor  hissyfit  plans on running for mayor of Dallas? Then he can throw a  hissyfit  over the Wright Amendment?
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Nagin Moves To Dallas

Tue Sep 13, 2005 3:49 pm

His interview over the weekend was pathetic, it didn't take a genious to know when he was giving BS answers.
 
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Nagin Moves To Dallas

Tue Sep 13, 2005 4:37 pm

What do you expect him to do?

Right now, the -only- authority there lies with the General in command of the deployed armed forces. There is not a city jurisdiction. There is not a municipality. There is no city council. There's no voting for motions. There's no ordinances to be passed.

So, if he wants to take some time and get his family into other quarters, then so be it. There's nothing more he can do until the authority is turned back over to the city council of the city. Until then, he's still "the mayor" until the council votes otherwise.
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Nagin Moves To Dallas

Tue Sep 13, 2005 7:14 pm

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 4):
Mayor

well, his name should rather be Ragin than Nagin --- but he anyway has become fully white-haired and almost "elderly"-looking, like a kind of black Jimmy Carter.
 
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Nagin Moves To Dallas

Tue Sep 13, 2005 7:25 pm

Quoting STLGph (Reply 6):
What do you expect him to do?

Perhaps stay in New Orleans? Most around here catch wood over dumping on Bush for NOT being in New Orleans and such and here we have the Mayor moving out. Perfect. Maybe he doesn't want to deal with the repair bill for the 200 water logged school buses.
 
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Nagin Moves To Dallas

Tue Sep 13, 2005 7:51 pm

Quoting STLGph (Reply 6):
Right now, the -only- authority there lies with the General in command of the deployed armed forces. There is not a city jurisdiction. There is not a municipality. There is no city council. There's no voting for motions. There's no ordinances to be passed.

But he could provide LEADERSHIP. You know, the kind of thing that Mayor Guliani oozed from every pore in New York after 9/11. He could turn the disaster into an opportunity to ensure that while rebuilding, and with a whole ton of funds available, that certain structural problems with the city are adressed, such as zoning, drainage, law enforcement reform, etc. etc.. There are tons of things that he can do. Without a mayor, will it be up to the feds to rebuild New Orleans? They don't know the city, nor its problems, and would miss opportunities while probably creating new ones.

Nagin should stay in New Orleans until elections put him out. Walking away now is no different from a soldier deserting during a fight. Coward!

Quoting KROC (Reply 8):
Maybe he doesn't want to deal with the repair bill for the 200 water logged school buses.

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RE: New Orleans Mayor Nagin Moves To Dallas

Tue Sep 13, 2005 11:20 pm

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 3):
After what Mayor Nagin has been through in the last weeks, I wouldn't plan on running for re-election either and instead plan for a new job, in a new city. In the meantime, this looks bad, like he has abandoned the city too and they still need a full-time mayor.

Nagin is an Ex-Republican anyhow. Chance are that mr bush made him an offer he couldn't refuse while he showered onboard AF1(bush probably told him the work to rebuild is going to be HARD...real...HARD)....it called a payoff for SILENCE and no further critsiscm of the administration.

Loyalty in bushes administration goes along ways but speak out and they just love to air the dirty laundry......remember Joe Wilson and his wife Ms Plame???

Yes if he resigns then he isnt worth his weight in gold democrat or republican.
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Nagin Moves To Dallas

Tue Sep 13, 2005 11:24 pm

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 7):
well, his name should rather be Ragin than Nagin --- but he anyway has become fully white-haired and almost "elderly"-looking, like a kind of black Jimmy Carter.

White haired? Nagin doesn't have any hair!
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Nagin Moves To Dallas

Tue Sep 13, 2005 11:31 pm

I am flabbergasted! I guess I shouldn't be but I rather am . . .

Bought a house, not rented something so his kids could have someplace to live while attending school . . . or a place to let his wife call home . . . while  hissyfit  stayed in his city and watched it being rebuilt!

One can only hope he resigns. Failing that, the people of New Orleans see him for the worthless Mayor he is and force him out . . .

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 5):
His interview over the weekend was pathetic, it didn't take a genious to know when he was giving BS answers.

He's been bullshitting the great City of New Orleans since the days before Katrina struck.

Quoting STLGph (Reply 6):
What do you expect him to do

Stay in his gawddamn city that's what! He is the Mayor - duly elected - although he's been rightfully usurped by an outstanding General Officer that could run circles around him (and that crybaby Governor) with his eyes closed. Fact remains - he IS the Mayor and now he's bailing out.

Quoting STLGph (Reply 6):
There's nothing more he can do until the authority is turned back over to the city council of the city

Bull STL, he could be of more value to LTG Honore as an aide, follow along one step behind and to the left in typical military fashion, until the General has a question. And be there in his city fighting the fight along side his constituents.

Speaking of City Council, wonder where they hightailed it to???

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 9):
Walking away now is no different from a soldier deserting during a fight. Coward!

 checkmark  Exactly.

Quoting Rsmith6621a (Reply 10):
Yes if he resigns then he isnt worth his weight in gold democrat or republican.

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RE: New Orleans Mayor Nagin Moves To Dallas

Tue Sep 13, 2005 11:34 pm

Wow.

First he had no plan, now he is running away. He is still the mayor, there is something he could do...called being a leader, not just throwing a shit-fit every time he gets on TV. Apparently, he still has no plan.
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Nagin Moves To Dallas

Tue Sep 13, 2005 11:36 pm

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 9):
You know, the kind of thing that Mayor Guliani oozed from every pore in New York after 9/11.

Not to detract from the horrors of 9/11 in any way, but Rudi Guilani didn't go through a shread of what Ray Nagin has gone through. New York had the full weight of the federal government that day, not 4 days later. Also, Rudi had a place to go home at night, while Nagin was stuck in the middle of a city filling with flood water. Sure, it was easy for Rudi to go on TV and smile for the camera, as the 9/11 incident in New York was isolated to a small area of the city and was able to be contained easily. Katrina's impact was like that of airplanes hitting every part of the city, from every angle, for 3 days straight. No sleep, no electricity, nothing but a call he was able to make to a TV station and get out the word that New Orleans needed help, yet was left to rot by the dispicable idiots at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. If Guilani had to deal with 1/10th of what happened in New Orleans, and the lack of response was what it was in Nagin's situation, 8 million New Yorkers would have gone and found George Bush sitting in that classroom and impaled him on the torch of the Statue of Liberty

Quoting Rsmith6621a (Reply 10):
Nagin is an Ex-Republican anyhow.

Who said ex?
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Nagin Moves To Dallas

Tue Sep 13, 2005 11:37 pm

Just shows that his only interest in New Orleans and its people was a cushy mayor's job and all that came with it.

Even if he stepped down, he should be right there helping where he can, providing a public voice of support to the people of NO

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 9):
But he could provide LEADERSHIP. You know, the kind of thing that Mayor Guliani oozed from every pore in New York after 9/11. He could turn the disaster into an opportunity to ensure that while rebuilding, and with a whole ton of funds available, that certain structural problems with the city are adressed, such as zoning, drainage, law enforcement reform, etc. etc.. There are tons of things that he can do. Without a mayor, will it be up to the feds to rebuild New Orleans? They don't know the city, nor its problems, and would miss opportunities while probably creating new ones.

 checkmark  Exactly. Just the sort of thing a mayor's office is there to do in such an event.
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Nagin Moves To Dallas

Tue Sep 13, 2005 11:38 pm

Quoting STLGph (Reply 6):
What do you expect him to do?

Stay and lead. Rebuild the city that somebody elected him to care for. Lead the efforts at recovery and rebuilding that are going to be the work demanded by the citizens for the man who swore an oath to serve.
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Nagin Moves To Dallas

Tue Sep 13, 2005 11:51 pm

General Honore scared the shit ouuta him. So he left to Dallas. Can Nagin legally be mayor of NOLA now that he is a Texas resident? Or is his primary residence still in NOLA?

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 4):
Then he can throw a    over the Wright Amendment?

    

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RE: New Orleans Mayor Nagin Moves To Dallas

Tue Sep 13, 2005 11:54 pm

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 17):
Or is his primary residence still in NOLA?

Being fair and honest, I'd say that anyone that has left the devastation in New Orleans because of the flood and Katrina will be considered displaced citizens of New Orleans in the eyes of the law.

It would be that way in Alaska - if Anchorage was pounded by another quake like 1964 - and I was forced to abandon Anchorage for a time, I'd still be legally a resident of Anchorage. There are limits on that however . . .
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Nagin Moves To Dallas

Tue Sep 13, 2005 11:59 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 18):
It would be that way in Alaska - if Anchorage was pounded by another quake like 1964 - and I was forced to abandon Anchorage for a time, I'd still be legally a resident of Anchorage. There are limits on that however . . .

I'll bet you have a week or so's food and water plus the ability to take care of yourself if the quake came and left you without power or the house even.

I'll also lay odds you wouldn't abandon your post, nor would you leave innocents to their fate. That seems to have been the case in NOLA in many instances.
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Nagin Moves To Dallas

Tue Sep 13, 2005 11:59 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 18):
devastation in New Orleans

Understood. Extenuating circumstances. He should stay in NOLA at the Hyatt where he and staff were staying (looting the local Office Depot).
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Nagin Moves To Dallas

Wed Sep 14, 2005 12:08 am

Quoting PROSA (Reply 11):
Nagin doesn't have any hair!

Ï mean that "outer hair-belt" which is still in evidence
 
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Nagin Moves To Dallas

Wed Sep 14, 2005 12:11 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 12):
Bought a house, not rented something so his kids could have someplace to live while attending school . . . or a place to let his wife call home . . . while stayed in his city and watched it being rebuilt!

I think he could have done the same if he bought a house in Northern LA. I hope the people of NO see the slap in the face they just got. He failed to carry out the city emergency plan, now he is running again.

Maybe he bought a 2 family and Blanco can move there also?
 
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Nagin Moves To Dallas

Wed Sep 14, 2005 12:18 am

Quoting DL021 (Reply 19):
I'll bet you have a week or so's food and water plus the ability to take care of yourself if the quake came and left you without power or the house even.

Better believe it, I can recall mmoents of the 1964 quake - although I was but 5 - some things will stick in your mind and never leave. And I'm no fool. I may be crazy, but I'm not stupid. . . . if I can get to my camper, all the better, if not I'm prepared the E&E as necessary  biggrin .

Quoting DL021 (Reply 19):
I'll also lay odds you wouldn't abandon your post, nor would you leave innocents to their fate.

My oath means more to me than some people's I guess.

Quoting Roger136913 (Reply 22):
I hope the people of NO see the slap in the face they just got.

No fuckin' chance. They haven't seen it yet . . . . watch the news, read the papers, it's all about how the federal government let them down. Perhaps, when it's all said and done, and the citizens of New Orleans actually weigh the facts, they'll see it - I won't bet a weeks pay on it - but it's possible.

And it's more like a kick in the balls rather than a slap in the face.
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Nagin Moves To Dallas

Wed Sep 14, 2005 12:20 am

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 9):
he could provide LEADERSHIP

he at the beginning looked as IF providing leadership but then gradually lost nerves ---- very bad, but understandable

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 9):
that certain structural problems with the city are adressed, such as zoning, drainage, law enforcement reform, etc. etc.. There are tons of things that he can do.

true, but the question is whether he is up to that challenge

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 12):
the people of New Orleans see him for the worthless Mayor he is and force him out . . .

THIs remark leads to the question how Major Ragin has been in NORMAL times. WAS he "worthless" or did he simply get confronted with too much ?

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 12):
lthough he's been rightfully usurped by an outstanding General Officer that could run circles around him (and that crybaby Governor) with his eyes closed. Fact remains - he IS the Mayor and now he's bailing out.

he of course should leave the actual command to General Honoré, and assist --- but might feel like bowing out . And the tearful Lady-Governor should go back to her office

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 12):
he could be of more value to LTG Honore as an aide, follow along one step behind and to the left in typical military fashion


true, but NOT enjoyable

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 17):
Current Dallas Mayor Laura Miller is better

well, did this lady ever meet a challenge of such a magnitude as the present one in New Orleans / Biloxi / Mobile ?
 
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Nagin Moves To Dallas

Wed Sep 14, 2005 12:20 am

Have I missed somethng here? Other then commiting his wife and kids to this house, has he done the sme for himself or IS he staying in NO? I mean heven forbid he do something right for his family in at least in giving them a decent place to stay along with an education while he rebuilds his city.

Trust me when I tell you though.. if he stays there for more then the odd booty call with the Mrs. he deserves the worst political fate possible short of death.
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Nagin Moves To Dallas

Wed Sep 14, 2005 12:40 am

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 25):
Other then commiting his wife and kids to this house

I've said that, and it lead me to wonder why one would BUY (that's the key word here TedT) a house rather than rent a place for 6 months/1 year until NOLA stabilizes . . . . he BOUGHT a house . . . that is cause for alarm, not getting his wife and kids settled.

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 25):
Trust me when I tell you though.. if he stays there for more then the odd booty call with the Mrs. he deserves the worst political fate possible short of death.

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RE: New Orleans Mayor Nagin Moves To Dallas

Wed Sep 14, 2005 12:41 am

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 25):
he deserves the worst

when looking through THIS discussion, the obvious conclusion is that the only thing for Mayor ...agin is to get away as far as possible, and that HIS presence is neither required nor asked for. - - - he possibly is given political asylum in France !
 
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Nagin Moves To Dallas

Wed Sep 14, 2005 12:48 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 23):
No fuckin' chance. They haven't seen it yet . . . . watch the news, read the papers, it's all about how the federal government let them down. Perhaps, when it's all said and done, and the citizens of New Orleans actually weigh the facts, they'll see it - I won't bet a weeks pay on it - but it's possible.

And it's more like a kick in the balls rather than a slap in the face.

I have a thought and I hope no one jumps all over on me for this....

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RE: New Orleans Mayor Nagin Moves To Dallas

Wed Sep 14, 2005 12:50 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 26):
I've said that, and it lead me to wonder why one would BUY (that's the key word here TedT) a house rather than rent a place for 6 months/1 year until NOLA stabilizes

So you're in tune with the mayor's finances now? You know the rental market in Dallas? You know how long it will take for New Orleans to stabilize enough to move his family back? You know whether or not he needed to reinvest capital gains on the sale of some other property perhaps?

Quite a lot of assumptions there, very little in the way of facts.
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Nagin Moves To Dallas

Wed Sep 14, 2005 12:52 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 26):
wonder why one would BUY

It's called equity.... In this market it's foolish to throw away money on rent, when you can MAKE youerself a few/several grand on a house you only own for about a year or two. Not to say I don't think he's a fool, but maybe he's doing SOMETHING right.
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Nagin Moves To Dallas

Wed Sep 14, 2005 12:52 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 26):
it lead me to wonder why one would BUY (that's the key word here TedT) a house rather than rent a place for 6 months/1 year until NOLA stabilizes . . . . he BOUGHT a house . . . that is cause for alarm, not getting his wife and kids settled.

Nagin's purchase of a house in Dallas may be nothing more than a wise investment decision, rather than a sign that he's abandoning New Orleans. Keep in mind that his family probably won't be able to return to New Orleans for six months or longer. He might well figure that if he buys a house now, he'll be able to sell it at a profit in six months, given the way that house prices continue to rise in most areas.
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Nagin Moves To Dallas

Wed Sep 14, 2005 12:59 am

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 30):
It's called equity.... In this market it's foolish to throw away money on rent, when you can MAKE youerself a few/several grand on a house you only own for about a year or two



Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 29):
So you're in tune with the mayor's finances now? You know the rental market in Dallas? You know how long it will take for New Orleans to stabilize enough to move his family back? You know whether or not he needed to reinvest capital gains on the sale of some other property perhaps?



Quoting PROSA (Reply 31):
Nagin's purchase of a house in Dallas may be nothing more than a wise investment decision, rather than a sign that he's abandoning New Orleans.

 spit  As much as I'd like to agree with you fine gents, I find it hard to do so . . .

If this is the case, I"ll be the first to apologize and say I called the ball too early. I'm willing to bet otherwise. . .

Quoting PROSA (Reply 31):
Keep in mind that his family probably won't be able to return to New Orleans for six months or longer.

I said that, three times already. If this is anything but an attempt to stabilize his family, he's wrong as hell . . . he, himself, better stay with his city or any, ANY, credibility he has left - except that harbored by the blind here on A-Net and in NOLA - will be gone.
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Nagin Moves To Dallas

Wed Sep 14, 2005 1:00 am

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 24):
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 12):
lthough he's been rightfully usurped by an outstanding General Officer that could run circles around him (and that crybaby Governor) with his eyes closed. Fact remains - he IS the Mayor and now he's bailing out.

he of course should leave the actual command to General Honoré, and assist --- but might feel like bowing out . And the tearful Lady-Governor should go back to her office

He should have simply adopted the General as his primary "advisor" and simply coordinated all activities with him. Had he done this he could have acknowledged his basic inadequacy to the task and still been the leader his folks needed. He failed them in the ounce of preparation and certainly was not up to the pound of cure.

Ted, It sure looks like he's bugging out. Perhaps he'll get hit with a pang or thousand of remorse and go back to do his duty. Because after everything else all one has is their honor, and he'll lose that forever if he runs out.
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Nagin Moves To Dallas

Wed Sep 14, 2005 1:03 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 32):
As much as I'd like to agree with you fine gents, I find it hard to do so

You are aware that Karl Rove (oooh, anyone remember him?) still maintains Texas residency through two unoccupied "vacation homes". Residency all has to do with "intent of returning to your abode" in a previous state, maintenance of a driver's license, etc. You can move away from your home state for any number of years and still maintain your residency as long as you meet just a few simple criteria.
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Nagin Moves To Dallas

Wed Sep 14, 2005 1:14 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 14):
Not to detract from the horrors of 9/11 in any way, but Rudi Giuliani didn't go through a shred of what Ray Nagin has gone through. New York had the full weight of the federal government that day, not 4 days later

You can not compare 9/11 & the Katrina Hurricane, each incident was unique in their own special way, but just a couple of points for what Mayor Giuliani went through.

No advanced warning for 9/11
No plan for a terrorist attack on New York City.
3000 people died on 9/11
200 Firemen died in the World Trade Centers.
World Trade Center was a major source of communication & transportation for New York City...
Damage in New York City was centrallized in a smalller area.

To compare, New Orleans was hit by a Hurricane (duh!), while NYC was hit by a Tornadoe.

Mayor Guilliani has demostrated leadership for NYC, while the Mayor of New Orleans has been found wanting.

Mayor Nagin was not in New Orleans when the Hurricane hit and is not staying to support the people during the cleanup.....

Mayor Nagin, could have moved to another part of Lousiana, this way he can be close to New Orleans....
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Nagin Moves To Dallas

Wed Sep 14, 2005 1:22 am

Quoting MidnightMike (Reply 35):
Mayor Guilliani has demostrated leadership for NYC, while the Mayor of New Orleans has been found wanting.

Not at all. Mayor Nagin did the best he could with nothing, Rudi had the complete resources of the federal government at his disposal within hours or even minutes. There is a huge difference there.

Quoting MidnightMike (Reply 35):
Mayor Nagin was not in New Orleans when the Hurricane hit and is not staying to support the people during the cleanup.....

The mayor was in New Orleans the entire time the federal government wasn't and still after

Quoting MidnightMike (Reply 35):
Mayor Nagin, could have moved to another part of Lousiana, this way he can be close to New Orleans....

Dallas is itself close enough to be in New Orleans within an hour by plane. In Dallas, he has a stable, large city to have his family, along with state of the art communications and healthcare
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Nagin Moves To Dallas

Wed Sep 14, 2005 1:23 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 34):
You are aware that Karl Rove (oooh, anyone remember him?) still maintains Texas residency through two unoccupied "vacation homes". Residency all has to do with "intent of returning to your abode" in a previous state, maintenance of a driver's license, etc. You can move away from your home state for any number of years and still maintain your residency as long as you meet just a few simple criteria.

Yes Westy, and I know PotUS has a place in Maine and Texas.

And I know about "residency", I had an Alaska Driver's License and a PO Box when I left for the Army in 1977 and still had it when I got back in 2001. You're twisting words and making excuses for the guy . . .

Perhaps you ought to send him your post via e-mail, he could use the terminology to justify abandoning his city and it's citizens.

Your point here, my friend, is kinda weak . . .
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Nagin Moves To Dallas

Wed Sep 14, 2005 1:26 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 37):
Your point here, my friend, is kinda weak

My point is supported by facts. Isn't that what you keep asking everyone for?

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RE: New Orleans Mayor Nagin Moves To Dallas

Wed Sep 14, 2005 1:27 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 37):

Your point here, my friend, is kinda weak . . .

pot-kettle-black.
You are presuming the worst of a guy who's already had his a$$ handed to him a few times over and deservedly so. I'm not saying he's innocent here, but as those of us who were quick to bash Bush should know, maybe there's more to the story then just phone calls in the middle of the night.
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Nagin Moves To Dallas

Wed Sep 14, 2005 1:39 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 38):
My point is supported by facts. Isn't that what you keep asking everyone for?

Westy your point, although factual - yes Rove owns those houses - is not to point out that Rove owns those houses.   

Your point is to pre-package an excuse for Nagin's purchase of a home in Dallas and to explain it away with residency clauses.   

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 39):
pot-kettle-black.

Not at all TedT . . . I simply have no faith in the man that's already shown he is not capable of handling himself in an emergency - a "fairweather mayor". I sincerely hope the best for his family, and sincerely understand the need to get them settled into something "normal" while New Orleans is rebuilt - I would never fault the man for that - but I don't think he's going back when it's all said and done. Simple as that. . . . that's opinion, not fact. But that's an opinion I'd make a bet on.

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RE: New Orleans Mayor Nagin Moves To Dallas

Wed Sep 14, 2005 1:42 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 40):
Your point is to pre-package an excuse for Nagin's purchase of a home in Dallas and to explain it away with residency clauses.

Let's not twist words. I asked you straight out if you knew the Dallas rental market, the exact length of time it would take to move his family back to New Orleans, the state of his finances, to which you had no answer.

No excuses, it's all about plausibility until proven otherwise.
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Nagin Moves To Dallas

Wed Sep 14, 2005 1:49 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 34):
You are aware that Karl Rove (oooh, anyone remember him?) still maintains Texas residency through two unoccupied "vacation homes". Residency all has to do with "intent of returning to your abode" in a previous state, maintenance of a driver's license, etc.

Karl Rove’s voting address is his Texas Hill Country 800 square foot cottage, even though he never lived there. He sold his long time house in Austin in 2003. Currently the Texas Secretary of State’s office may go after him for voter fraud. According to them, just because you own property, does not make that a residence.

Furthermore, Rove has illegally taken a homestead exemption on his $1+ Million Washington, DC residence. He has agreed to reimburse the city thousands.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 37):
Yes Westy, and I know PotUS has a place in Maine and Texas.

Now, POTUS. The current President Bush does not own any property in Maine. His father does. The Kennebunkport place was his in-law’s.

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Wed Sep 14, 2005 1:53 am

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 42):
Currently the Texas Secretary of State’s office may go after him for voter fraud. According to them, just because you own property, does not make that a residence.

Yup, that's true. I was giving Rove a little bit of leeway (shocking as it may seem), since Bush 41 was able to maintain Texas residency via the rental of a hotel room in Houston for the duration of his vice-presidency and presidency. It's up to the officials to decide, not me.
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Nagin Moves To Dallas

Wed Sep 14, 2005 1:56 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 41):
Let's not twist words. I asked you straight out if you knew the Dallas rental market, the exact length of time it would take to move his family back to New Orleans, the state of his finances, to which you had no answer.

My Bad, failed to answer the question . . . I took as a rhetorical summation, rather than a direct question.

In that case then: NO, I've no idea about   's finances, the Dallas rental./home buying market (nor do I want to know or have a need to know), or how long it would take him to get his family moved back to New Orleans (but I don't think that's his plan . . . it's an opinion, I've so stated it as such, and it will not change until proven otherwise).

I've also said if I'm wrong I'll apologize in public . . .

That still is not your point . . . it remains:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 40):
to pre-package an excuse for Nagin's purchase of a home in Dallas and to explain it away with residency clauses.


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RE: New Orleans Mayor Nagin Moves To Dallas

Wed Sep 14, 2005 2:03 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 43):
Texas residency via the rental of a hotel room in Houston for the duration of his vice-presidency and presidency.

Yea, The Houstonian – nice Place. It’s about a mile from me (I’m told I lower the property value). He used to be at the Four Seasons, also no Holiday Inn Express.

Recall that commercial from the ’92 campaign – George Bush golfing in Maine, George Bush Yachting in Maine, etc – You can find George Bush doing everything in Maine EXCEPT paying Maine Taxes (they have a state income tax, TX does not).

The big Dick moved his voter registration from TX to WY in 2000 so he could be VP. (a Pres & Vice Pres may not be registered in the same state).
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Nagin Moves To Dallas

Wed Sep 14, 2005 2:14 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 44):
That still is not your point . . . it remains:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 40):
to pre-package an excuse for Nagin's purchase of a home in Dallas and to explain it away with residency clauses.

Woo, maybe I should go into politics! Anyone know a good mayorship I could run for?  Smile

In all seriousness, the package I outlined were questions that came to mind while reading the previous posts, as I myself have been looking into what would kick in residency rules if I were to move out of my state temporarily, since residency in Oregon is what qualifies me for my state-mandated group health plan to continue.

I also remember the amount of time I had to take off from work after my grandmother died in order to move my grandfather closer to family, sell his home, reorganize his finances, etc.

It could very well be that Nagin is attempting to provide a secure place for his family, which he has the right to do, not look like a leech on Texas society, by paying property taxes directly, etc., while he works on bringing New Orleans back. I don't know if that's his intention or not, but I do know from personal experience that residency issues aren't something to merely toss away.
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Nagin Moves To Dallas

Wed Sep 14, 2005 2:19 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 36):
Quoting MidnightMike (Reply 35):
Mayor Giuliani has demonstrated leadership for NYC, while the Mayor of New Orleans has been found wanting.

Not at all. Mayor Nagin did the best he could with nothing, Rudi had the complete resources of the federal government at his disposal within hours or even minutes. There is a huge difference there



Quoting N1120A (Reply 36):
Quoting MidnightMike (Reply 35):
Mayor Nagin was not in New Orleans when the Hurricane hit and is not staying to support the people during the cleanup.....

The mayor was in New Orleans the entire time the federal government wasn't and still after

There was no reason for the Federal Government to be in New Orleans, the State National Guard did not arrive on the scene until Thursday, follow the chain-of-command:
Mayor
Governor
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Quoting N1120A (Reply 36):
Quoting MidnightMike (Reply 35):
Mayor Nagin, could have moved to another part of Lousiana, this way he can be close to New Orleans....

Dallas is itself close enough to be in New Orleans within an hour by plane. In Dallas, he has a stable, large city to have his family, along with state of the art communications and healthcare

So much for leadership, how can you demonstrate leadership, when the Mayor himself moves away.
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Nagin Moves To Dallas

Wed Sep 14, 2005 2:22 am

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 4):
Then he can throw a  hissyfit  over the Wright Amendment?

Ummm... Even as it stands now, DAL-MSY is within the bounds of the Wright Amendment...
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Nagin Moves To Dallas

Wed Sep 14, 2005 2:37 am

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 45):
The big Dick moved his voter registration from TX to WY in 2000 so he could be VP. (a Pres & Vice Pres may not be registered in the same state).

To be fair he was from Wyoming and had been their Representative to Congress (Wyoming only has one congressman).
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