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New Orleans Mayor Was Warned Of Dire Katrina!

Thu Sep 15, 2005 9:41 pm

According to the Boston Globe, this clown has been ripping on everyone but himself, but it turns out that he WAS warned about how bad Katrina was going to be by none other than U.S. National Hurricane Center DIRECTOR Max Mayfield.

Now I've read here that he has purchased a home in Dallas and sent his kids to school there...

this man should be prosecuted!!!


"The atmosphere in New Orleans, at city hall, and the police department, was relaxed. No one was really concerned about Hurricane Katrina, despite dire warnings from the U.S. National Hurricane Center, including a direct call to Mayor C. Ray Nagin’s home by Max Mayfield, the center’s director, which was logged in an official timeline of events “compiled by the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration, which oversees the National Hurricane Center.”

According to a riveting account of events by the Boston Globe, there was no sense of alarm, as officials in the city felt that they had been through enough storms in the past and that this one would be no different.

There were 1600 members of the police available, and a total of four skiffs for rescue operations. The overall feeling, according to Jasmine Haralson, chief of staff for a New Orleans city councilman, Jay Batt, was one of little worry. There was “a closed-door briefing at City Hall on the Saturday before the storm hit. Nagin was there, as were Police Superintendent Eddie Compass, the city's department heads, and several City Council members. But the atmosphere was calm, routine.“ "

“Late on Aug. 27, less than 36 hours before Hurricane Katrina crashed into the Gulf Coast, New Orleans Mayor C. Ray Nagin's home phone rang. It was Max Mayfield, director of the National Hurricane Center in Florida. Katrina was a ''worst-case" pattern, Mayfield warned. A mandatory evacuation of New Orleans was necessary. As history shows, “Thousands of residents were streaming north by then, alarmed by the increasingly dire predictions on the Weather Channel and on the local news. But it was not until 11 a.m. on Sunday, Aug. 28, almost 12 hours after Mayfield's call, that Nagin ordered the evacuation.”

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TedTAce
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Was Warned Of Dire Katrina!

Thu Sep 15, 2005 10:36 pm

Blah blah blah....

Convict POTUS for re-allocating the levee funds too then you can hang Mayor  hissyfit  as high as you want to.
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Was Warned Of Dire Katrina!

Thu Sep 15, 2005 10:43 pm

From an article in today's Chicago Tribune:

"What Jones and at least 10,000 other storm victims didn't know was that the Superdome, while designated by local officials as a shelter of last resort, was never meant to hold storm refugees for long.

According to news reports, neither the state of Louisiana nor the city of New Orleans had planned to stock the facility with water or food. The Federal Emergency Management Agency had hastily offloaded 90,000 liters of water and 43,776 military meals, or MREs, at the sports facility, an inadequate supply for the swelling mass of evacuees."
 
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Was Warned Of Dire Katrina!

Thu Sep 15, 2005 10:45 pm

Ted,

Before you make the jail bed for W, you might want to read the following article from NBC News based on their investigative report.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9342186/

Some of the excerpts:

"The unveiling of the Mardi Gras Fountain was celebrated this year in typical New Orleans style. The cost of $2.4 million was paid by the Orleans Levee Board, the state agency whose main job is to protect the levees surrounding New Orleans — the same levees that failed after Katrina hit."

"In fact, NBC News has uncovered a pattern of what critics call questionable spending practices by the Levee Board — a board which, at one point, was accused by a state inspector general of "a long-standing and continuing disregard of the public interest."

"Beyond the fountain, there's the $15 million spent on two overpasses that helped gamblers get to Bally's riverboat casino. Critics tried and failed to put some of that money into flood protection.

"There was also $45,000 for private investigators to dig up dirt on radio host and board critic Robert Namer."

"Namer sued and the board then spent another $45,000 to settle."


My favorite is this quote from the President of the Board:

Huey says, "As far as the overall flood protection system, it's intact, it's there today, it worked. In 239 miles of levees, 152 floodgates, and canals throughout this entire city, there was only two areas."

If this was success, I can't imagine what this guys considers failure.

It seems that there was plenty of money that was available to them. How they spent it is another story all together.
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Was Warned Of Dire Katrina!

Thu Sep 15, 2005 10:54 pm

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 1):
Convict POTUS for re-allocating the levee funds too then you can hang Mayor as high as you want to

Nice to see the emoticon has stuck . . .  biggrin 

TedT - we don't want to go thru all of this all over again . . . the guy has the leadership qualities of a scrub brush. He let his citizens down wholly.

He does NOT stand alone but the he was the quarterback at kick off and all he's done is get sacked on every play.
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Was Warned Of Dire Katrina!

Thu Sep 15, 2005 11:04 pm

Ted- Once again, you stand factually corrected. And of the projects presently on the slate for the Orleans Levee Board, only TWO actually have to deal with direct repair, maintenance or construction of levees themselves.

http://www.orleanslevee.com/Bids%20a...%20Proposals%20-%20Engineering.htm

Facts are funny things. But nice try with the bait post...you need to try harder dude.  Smile


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Former NOLA Mayor (and Federal indictee) Marc Morial was on the news this AM (why? couldn't tell you since he is also to blame and is as guilty of corruption there as anyone ever was), and even he--although it might have been a CYA move--stated that Nagin fouled up the works.

He said when Georges hit, the Superdome and Convention Center were last refuges and both were stocked and ready, ith medical and relief workers on duty.

Nagin is done- the guy isn't qualified to be dogcatcher in Gary, Indiana.
 
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Was Warned Of Dire Katrina!

Thu Sep 15, 2005 11:13 pm

Did anyone catch Nagin on Larry King last night?

There was one statement of complete irony from Nagin that blew me away.

King asked him his thoughts when he heard about find those 34 dead in the nursing home.
Nagin's reply was (sorry, this is not vebatim) something like, I can't believe they would do that. Those people were in their care and they were responsible for getting them to safety.
I looked at the TV and went, Ah-Duh! Isn't that the MAYOR"S responsibility to his citizens as well?

No racial intent here, but if that's not the pot calling the kettle black!

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RE: New Orleans Mayor Was Warned Of Dire Katrina!

Fri Sep 16, 2005 2:12 am

Ted, your sudden silence when confronted with facts on this issue is deafening. It's easy to take pot shots based on opinions. Why don't you engage and address the facts that have been posted on this issue in response to your post? Be a man.

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RE: New Orleans Mayor Was Warned Of Dire Katrina!

Fri Sep 16, 2005 2:21 am

Quoting Pope (Reply 3):
you might want to read the following article

I also read somewhere about the Levee Board buying or leasing a private jet. Anyone else hear this?

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 4):
the guy has the leadership qualities of a scrub brush.

Your giving him too much credit me-thinks. Big grin  Big grin

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RE: New Orleans Mayor Was Warned Of Dire Katrina!

Fri Sep 16, 2005 2:32 am

Quoting Pope (Reply 7):
Ted, your sudden silence when confronted with facts on this issue is deafening. It's easy to take pot shots based on opinions. Why don't you engage and address the facts that have been posted on this issue in response to your post? Be a man.

Pope- he can't argue something based on fact if he is unarmed with them or a means of debating said facts.

Too bad- I was looking forward to this argument for the fifteenth time. Not.
 
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Was Warned Of Dire Katrina!

Fri Sep 16, 2005 3:12 am

I just poured a glass of MIlk, and Ted's name was on the back of the carton right under "MISSING - Have you seen this person?"
 
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Was Warned Of Dire Katrina!

Fri Sep 16, 2005 3:22 am

"What Jones and at least 10,000 other storm victims didn't know was that the Superdome, while designated by local officials as a shelter of last resort, was never meant to hold storm refugees for long."

All the news reports before the storm predicted that the superdome would lose power, there would be no drinking water, the toilets would not work, the playing field would be flooded, and the whole building surrounded by flood water. It was well known beforehand that people entering the dome were doomed.

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RE: New Orleans Mayor Was Warned Of Dire Katrina!

Fri Sep 16, 2005 3:55 am

Quoting Pope (Reply 3):
"The unveiling of the Mardi Gras Fountain was celebrated this year in typical New Orleans style. The cost of $2.4 million was paid by the Orleans Levee Board, the state agency whose main job is to protect the levees surrounding New Orleans — the same levees that failed after Katrina hit."

"In fact, NBC News has uncovered a pattern of what critics call questionable spending practices by the Levee Board — a board which, at one point, was accused by a state inspector general of "a long-standing and continuing disregard of the public interest."

"Beyond the fountain, there's the $15 million spent on two overpasses that helped gamblers get to Bally's riverboat casino. Critics tried and failed to put some of that money into flood protection.

Oops!

I said it before, yes the Federal Government blew this big time, but when the waters recede and people start asking questions, the local government will be absolutely crucified.
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Was Warned Of Dire Katrina!

Fri Sep 16, 2005 3:57 am

Quoting 777DadandJr (Reply 6):
Those people were in their care and they were responsible for getting them to safety.
I looked at the TV and went, Ah-Duh! Isn't that the MAYOR"S responsibility to his citizens as well?

So, if your house catches on fire and you run for the hills and leave junior behind, that's the Mayor's responsibility, right?

Quoting Slider (Reply 5):
And of the projects presently on the slate for the Orleans Levee Board, only TWO actually have to deal with direct repair, maintenance or construction of levees themselves.

The history of the board is as follows...

An amendment to the 1921 Constitution was made by Act 292 of 1928: It empowered the Orleans Levee Board "to perform certain works of reclamation, construction, and improvement" and authorized the Board to sell, lease, or dispose of land not dedicated to public use."

I'm looking over these projects (all listed below) and not one of these seems out of ordinary for day in and day out operations for reclamation, construction, and improvement required of lands to a public district.

Improvements could include building a new fountain for "cosmetic" reasons or doing construction projects to enhance the attraction of businesses to the area. These improvement projects are aimed at spurring people to the area, economic growth and development, which in turn, especially if designed as a Tax Increment Financing district, means generated tax revenue goes right back to the Levee district.

This type of business is atypical of any public entity. Attend a couple of your own city council meetings.

Seabrook Bridge Fender System Improvements
South Shore Harbor Marine Fuel Facility
Repair of Flood Gate W-30
New Orleans Lakefront Airport Wedell Hangar Lead Abatement and Coating Improvements Shaw-Coastal, Inc.
Lakeshore Drive Improvements Plaza
New Orleans Lakefront Airport Fuel Farm Clean Tanks and Mechanical Improvements
Mississippi River Flood Gates Rehabilitation
New Orleans Lakefront Airport Taxiway Alpha Drainage Improvements
Orleans Marina Asphalt East Roadway
New Basin Canal Mariana Improvements
Orleans Marina Repaint Steel Walkways Upper Structure

Quoting LON-CHI (Reply 2):
"What Jones and at least 10,000 other storm victims didn't know was that the Superdome, while designated by local officials as a shelter of last resort, was never meant to hold storm refugees for long.

According to news reports, neither the state of Louisiana nor the city of New Orleans had planned to stock the facility with water or food.

Food and water was scarce because the Super Dome was "out of season" for the purpose of which it was built. A lot of times, last ditch efforts, in any given situation, do not come with luxuries, but just a mere means of having shelter.
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Was Warned Of Dire Katrina!

Fri Sep 16, 2005 4:00 am

Quoting STLGph (Reply 13):
Food and water was scarce because the Super Dome was "out of season" for the purpose of which it was built.

Great plan  Yeah sure.
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Was Warned Of Dire Katrina!

Fri Sep 16, 2005 4:06 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 14):
Great plan .

It's typical of any U.S. city. Emergency response is not proactive, it's reactive.
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Was Warned Of Dire Katrina!

Fri Sep 16, 2005 4:19 am

Quoting KROC (Reply 10):
just poured a glass of MIlk, and Ted's name was on the back of the carton right under "MISSING - Have you seen this person?"

That was funny & cold!!!  Smile Great comment, I need to remember that one....
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Was Warned Of Dire Katrina!

Fri Sep 16, 2005 4:21 am

Quoting STLGph (Reply 13):
So, if your house catches on fire and you run for the hills and leave junior behind, that's the Mayor's responsibility, right?

No. I wouldn't leave Jr behind. He's my responsibility.
As to Nagin, he is the mayor and he had a plan, and he didn't follow it. That was my point.

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RE: New Orleans Mayor Was Warned Of Dire Katrina!

Fri Sep 16, 2005 4:28 am

Quoting 777DadandJr (Reply 17):
No. I wouldn't leave Jr behind. He's my responsibility.
As to Nagin, he is the mayor and he had a plan, and he didn't follow it. That was my point.

What was the plan, Russ?
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Was Warned Of Dire Katrina!

Fri Sep 16, 2005 4:44 am

Quoting STLGph (Reply 18):
What was the plan, Russ?

Here is just one example taken directly from the State of Louisiana Hurricane Evacuation and Sheltering Plan.

"Assist persons with mobility limitations to find last resort
refuge. Mobilize all transportation resources and request
assistance from the state as needed."

Yet 1200 New Orleans School busses became submarines because the Mayor didn't use them.

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RE: New Orleans Mayor Was Warned Of Dire Katrina!

Fri Sep 16, 2005 4:45 am

Quoting Pope (Reply 7):
Be a man

Squeak.

Quoting KROC (Reply 10):
I just poured a glass of MIlk, and Ted's name was on the back of the carton right under "MISSING - Have you seen this person?"

Right next to the picture of your wife Big grin

You guys Think this board is corrupt, you should see DCAD. The City of Miami, makes these guys look like winners. I know that's deflecting, but you HAVE to admit there's enough blame for EVERYONE on this. Considering FEMA is still doing a marginal job at best I think we ought to wait and see what a full independent review on this in a year's time brings.
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Was Warned Of Dire Katrina!

Fri Sep 16, 2005 4:51 am

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 20):
Quoting Pope (Reply 7):
Be a man

Squeak.

Quoting KROC (Reply 10):
I just poured a glass of MIlk, and Ted's name was on the back of the carton right under "MISSING - Have you seen this person?"

Right next to the picture of your wife

You guys Think this board is corrupt, you should see DCAD. The City of Miami, makes these guys look like winners. I know that's deflecting, but you HAVE to admit there's enough blame for EVERYONE on this. Considering FEMA is still doing a marginal job at best I think we ought to wait and see what a full independent review on this in a year's time brings.

There you go...everything but the white flag! Well done!

I too believe that a full review of this will tell us all what we didn't know when the first set of assumptions were being made by all of us armchair generals.
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Was Warned Of Dire Katrina!

Fri Sep 16, 2005 5:40 am

Quoting DL021 (Reply 21):
I too believe that a full review of this will tell us all what we didn't know when the first set of assumptions were being made by all of us armchair generals.

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RE: New Orleans Mayor Was Warned Of Dire Katrina!

Fri Sep 16, 2005 6:49 am

Quoting 777DadandJr (Reply 19):
Yet 1200 New Orleans School busses became submarines because the Mayor didn't use them.

You can't start a bus without a key.

Did you check to see if he called the school district to see if their use was possible? If the drivers were around. If those who had the keys available hadn't packed up and left dodge themselves?

I bet you haven't.
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Was Warned Of Dire Katrina!

Fri Sep 16, 2005 7:01 am

Quoting STLGph (Reply 23):
I bet you haven't.

No, I haven't as I'm sure, you haven't either.

If transportation was part of the emergency plan, then the keys should have been available.

Quoting STLGph (Reply 15):
It's typical of any U.S. city. Emergency response is not proactive, it's reactive.

You said it yourself. If the response is not proactive, then it failed, and the person responsible, in part is Nagin.

Russ
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Was Warned Of Dire Katrina!

Fri Sep 16, 2005 7:22 am

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 20):
Right next to the picture of your wife



Ted, barely hanging onto life given the pummeling he took on this thread arose from the dead like Lazarus and landed a devastating blow to KROC who was himself moving in for the kill.

Ted, my hat's off to you. You've taken it like a man and taught us all a lesson.

Bravo!
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Was Warned Of Dire Katrina!

Fri Sep 16, 2005 7:37 am

Quoting Pope (Reply 3):
"The unveiling of the Mardi Gras Fountain was celebrated this year in typical New Orleans style. The cost of $2.4 million was paid by the Orleans Levee Board, the state agency whose main job is to protect the levees surrounding New Orleans — the same levees that failed after Katrina hit."

"In fact, NBC News has uncovered a pattern of what critics call questionable spending practices by the Levee Board — a board which, at one point, was accused by a state inspector general of "a long-standing and continuing disregard of the public interest."

I caught this last night. F-ing unbelievable. Anyone know how much connection to or influence on, the Mayor has with this Levee Board?
 
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Was Warned Of Dire Katrina!

Fri Sep 16, 2005 8:09 am

Quoting STLGph (Reply 18):
What was the plan, Russ?

Is that a rhetorical question STL, or do I need to send you a link?

Quoting DL021 (Reply 21):
I too believe that a full review of this will tell us all what we didn't know when the first set of assumptions were being made by all of us armchair generals.

I would agree, Ian . . . and Amrchair General I may be, but I can read plain Non-Vulcan English . . . and I know, armchair general or otherwise, when somethings screwed into the ground.
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Was Warned Of Dire Katrina!

Fri Sep 16, 2005 8:12 am

Quoting STLGph (Reply 23):
If the drivers were around. If those who had the keys available hadn't packed up and left dodge themselves?

Drivers, you mean divers!



The buses were parked in selected spots, even if the drivers left town, I doubt they had the keys in their pocket..



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RE: New Orleans Mayor Was Warned Of Dire Katrina!

Fri Sep 16, 2005 8:16 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 27):
I would agree, Ian . . . and Amrchair General I may be, but I can read plain Non-Vulcan English . . . and I know, armchair general or otherwise, when somethings screwed into the ground

Yeah...but in the absence of the details of what happened beyond the hysterical press....tell me what we don't have that we should.

Oh, and tell me what is the mother of all screwups? You know the answer....
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Was Warned Of Dire Katrina!

Fri Sep 16, 2005 8:18 am

Quoting DL021 (Reply 29):

Oh, and tell me what is the mother of all screwups? You know the answer....

Roger . . .Understood . . .

But ya know - that picture of over 250 school busses . . . well, my friend that speaks volumes . . .

I do however agree - as much as I have hammered mayor  hissyfit  and Governor  cry  this last 10-14 days, we'll have to see how it plays out.
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Was Warned Of Dire Katrina!

Fri Sep 16, 2005 8:21 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 30):
But ya know - that picture of over 250 school busses . . . well, my friend that speaks volumes

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RE: New Orleans Mayor Was Warned Of Dire Katrina!

Fri Sep 16, 2005 11:47 am

Quoting 777DadandJr (Reply 24):
No, I haven't as I'm sure, you haven't either.

If transportation was part of the emergency plan, then the keys should have been available.

No, I don't have to because I know how government entities work. Getting a school bus is not as easy as snapping your finger or saying you're the mayor and this needs to be done. Mayors don't have magical powers and cannot get things done that easy. School bus useage is under jurisdiction of a the school district. Because of child safety laws, keys are under safe keeping of a school district and are not going to be at the disposal of whomever wants them. Again, to run a bus you need keys. To get the keys, you need the school district cooperation and involvement. If the transportation managers for the district, have all fled for the hills, then you're stuck with the buses under water.

Quoting 777DadandJr (Reply 24):
You said it yourself. If the response is not proactive, then it failed, and the person responsible, in part is Nagin.

No. Emergency Disaster immediate response plans are up to county governments. anything beyond immediate is up to state. yes, Orleans does have the city-government interweaving government, but the head of the county (council president) is the one who would oversee this.
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Was Warned Of Dire Katrina!

Fri Sep 16, 2005 11:59 am

Quoting STLGph (Reply 32):
Orleans does have the city-government interweaving government, but the head of the county (council president) is the one who would oversee this.

One More Time . . . the head of Orleans Parish is the Mayor of New Orleans . . . there is no Parish President. There is no City Manager STl . . . the burden falls directly, squarely and solidly on  hissyfit s shoulders.

Period.
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Was Warned Of Dire Katrina!

Fri Sep 16, 2005 12:36 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 33):
One More Time . . . the head of Orleans Parish is the Mayor of New Orleans . . . there is no Parish President. There is no City Manager STl . . . the burden falls directly, squarely and solidly on s shoulders.

Period.

Incorrect.

Orleans Parish Council
1300 Perdido Street, 2nd Floor West
New Orleans, LA 70112
Phone: (504) 565-6400
Fax: (504) 565-7655
Official Website
Area Information & Web Links


President ....................................... Mr. Oliver M. Thomas
Vice President .................................. Ms. Renee Gill Pratt
Council Clerk .................................. Ms. Peggy Crutchfield
Parish Attorney .................................... Ms. Sherry Landry
Mayor-New Orleans ...................................... Mr. Ray Nagin
Parish Manager .............................. Mr. Charles L. Rice, Jr.
Public Works Director............................. Mr. John H. Shires
Director of Finance ................................ Mr. Reginald Zeno

Members

At Large .......................................... Mr. Eddie L. Sapir
1300 Perdido Street, Room 2W40, New Orleans, LA 70112At Large ........................................ Mr. Oliver M. Thomas
1300 Perdido Street, Room 2W50, New Orleans, LA 70112District A ....................................... Mr. John "Jay" Batt
1300 Perdido Street, Room 2W80, New Orleans, LA 70112District B ...................................... Ms. Renee Gill Pratt
1300 Perdido Street, Room 2W10, New Orleans, LA 70112District C ........................... Ms. Jacquelyn Brechtel Clarkson
1300 Perdido Street, Room 2W70, New Orleans, LA 70112District D ...................................... Mr. Marlin N. Gusman
1300 Perdido Street, Room 2W20, New Orleans, LA 70112District E ................................. Ms. Cynthia Willard-Lewis
1300 Perdido Street, Room 2W60, New Orleans, LA 70112
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Was Warned Of Dire Katrina!

Fri Sep 16, 2005 12:52 pm

Quoting STLGph (Reply 34):
President ....................................... Mr. Oliver M. Thomas
Vice President .................................. Ms. Renee Gill Pratt
Council Clerk .................................. Ms. Peggy Crutchfield
Parish Attorney .................................... Ms. Sherry Landry
Mayor-New Orleans ...................................... Mr. Ray Nagin
Parish Manager .............................. Mr. Charles L. Rice, Jr.
Public Works Director............................. Mr. John H. Shires
Director of Finance ................................ Mr. Reginald Zeno

I sit corrected . . . my bad . . . thanks for the info . . .now I have other targets for my e-mail barrage . . . they are just as guilty as Nagin . . . malfeasance in office, incompetent fools . . . just as guilty.

My commentary however still stands.

Example: Given a similar circumstance . . .and it was Mayor ANCFlyer . . . to be fair I'll use an Emoticon . . .  box  . . . for lack of one with a Glock handy  biggrin  . . .

IF I read the weather channel, and I got a call from the HEAD of the National Hurrican Center and I had a modicum of common sense . . . and a plan, as NOLA did, and the city government declared they were NOT behind me . . . I'd do it anyway . . .

That's called courage . . . that's called gut . . . I'm no politician (guess you'd never figure that out huh), and I'm not going to sit around letting the gawddamn chairwarmers try to come to a concensus or a committee vote on something when there is a shit storm bearing down on my city.

At the most, I'll never be re-elected and likely get voted out within days of the disaster . . .at the least, I'll never get another thing done in council . . .

But I'll have saved lives and property and that's what separates me from the assholes in political office . . . .

I've lived my life that way, and I've had no complaints . . . the key here is to be factually or morally right . . . to hell with concensus . . .

Nagin is guilty of Malfeasance and so is the Parish council . . .
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Was Warned Of Dire Katrina!

Fri Sep 16, 2005 1:08 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 35):
I sit corrected . . . my bad . . . thanks for the info . . .now I have other targets for my e-mail barrage . . . they are just as guilty as Nagin . . . malfeasance in office, incompetent fools . . . just as guilty.

no worries. but i'm sure a few of those positions will be posted on Monster.com in a few days. you should apply.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 35):
At the most, I'll never be re-elected and likely get voted out within days of the disaster . . .at the least, I'll never get another thing done in council . . .

yeah, you saw the article I showed you where they were voting the Mayor special pre-emptive non-Council approval necessary measures.

perfect timing!
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Was Warned Of Dire Katrina!

Fri Sep 16, 2005 1:21 pm

Quoting STLGph (Reply 36):
you should apply

Too much heat and humidity, and too may bugs . . . that's why I didn't like Panama, South Korea, Equador and Colombia . . .

Quoting STLGph (Reply 36):
yeah, you saw the article I showed you where they were voting the Mayor special pre-emptive non-Council approval necessary measures.

I did, special meeting in an airport conference room . . . only five council members present if I remember correctly . . .

Nagin is done after this . . . if the truth comes out . . . we shall see.

This does bring to light another concept . . . what of the Parish Council? I've seen nothing of them on TV? I've read nothing of them in the papers? Where are they? What are they doing? How are they helping Nagin - if at all - repair their city?
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Was Warned Of Dire Katrina!

Fri Sep 16, 2005 1:39 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 37):
This does bring to light another concept . . . what of the Parish Council? I've seen nothing of them on TV? I've read nothing of them in the papers? Where are they? What are they doing? How are they helping Nagin - if at all - repair their city?

they're hiding and probably not at all having one bit of complaint that they've been forgotten about.

oh, if only i was a network correspondent...let me tell you.....
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Was Warned Of Dire Katrina!

Fri Sep 16, 2005 11:46 pm

Quoting STLGph (Reply 23):
. If those who had the keys available hadn't packed up and left dodge themselves?

The cognizant school district would have a set of keys, even if the drivers had already left town. As I understand, these buses were part of the evac plan for the city. If this is the case, where in these plans was the section about keys and drivers. Another black eye for the mayor.

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RE: New Orleans Mayor Was Warned Of Dire Katrina!

Fri Sep 16, 2005 11:55 pm

Quoting ORFflyer (Reply 39):
If this is the case, where in these plans was the section about keys and drivers.

Not there . . . nothing regarding logistics, communications or recall of essential personnel . . . however, the State's Plan shouldn't necessarily include these . . . the local plans should.

And even if half of their bus drivers decided to leave - rather than voluntarily remain and put themselves in danger - there are still a couple hundred busses that could have been used . . .

No excuse.
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Was Warned Of Dire Katrina!

Fri Sep 16, 2005 11:59 pm

Quoting ORFflyer (Reply 39):
As I understand, these buses were part of the evac plan for the city. If this is the case, where in these plans was the section about keys and drivers. Another black eye for the mayor.

Thank You!  bouncy 

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RE: New Orleans Mayor Was Warned Of Dire Katrina!

Sat Sep 17, 2005 12:01 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 40):
Not there . . . nothing regarding logistics, communications or recall of essential personnel . . . however, the State's Plan shouldn't necessarily include these . . . the local plans should.

And even if half of their bus drivers decided to leave - rather than voluntarily remain and put themselves in danger - there are still a couple hundred busses that could have been used . . .

No excuse.

Agree completely. That's why I think it was a black-eye for the mayor WRT the local plans. All they needed were the keyes.... plenty of drivers could have been found.

Chip
 
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RE: New Orleans Mayor Was Warned Of Dire Katrina!

Sat Sep 17, 2005 12:26 am

Quoting ORFflyer (Reply 42):
Agree completely. That's why I think it was a black-eye for the mayor WRT the local plans. All they needed were the keyes.... plenty of drivers could have been found.

Hell I've been blasting Mayor  hissyfit  from day one . . . he and Governor  cry  are "fair weather politicians" with no gut when the going gets tough. Someone will surely try to feed me the crap about Nagin hanging out in the Hilton all through the storm, yadda, yadda, yadda . . . well, all he did there was have  hissyfit  and point fingers, instead of getting out there putting a boot in someones ass . . . now along comes LTG Honore', THAT is an example of what Nagin needed to do.

By the by, if anyone has a link to a New Orleans or Orleans Parish Emergency Plan, I'd like to have it . . . I already bled red ink all over the State's plan, I'd appreciate the opportunity to do the same to this one.
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