TedTAce
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More Argument For A National ID

Sat Sep 17, 2005 11:16 pm

First and foremost, I am opposed to anything be FORCED on anyone.

That being said, I'm wondering WHY Americans are afraid of a national ID system?

LEST we forget that A) ALL of us carry a Social Security card and B) a lot of the members of this forum (I expect) carry a passport.

The reason I bring this up is Katrina and all the problems people are having identifying themselves. I would THINK that given a national name/address/SSN/thumbprint/picture DB, it would be VERY easy for FEMA to match up people to who they say they are and easily re-issue an ID that they could use to get a job. Heaven forbid that such a system be used to keep Illegal Aliens from working in this country.. I just don't get it.. (I know what else is new)
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RE: More Argument For A National ID

Sat Sep 17, 2005 11:29 pm

Stupid question... does an (optional) ID currently exist in the US? Or is the only form of identification the driver's license? How does a person without a driver's license identify itself as of today?

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RE: More Argument For A National ID

Sat Sep 17, 2005 11:41 pm

Any official government document with your picture is considered ID in the USA. (birth certificate, passport, drvers license, etc)
 
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RE: More Argument For A National ID

Sat Sep 17, 2005 11:47 pm

http://www.mass.gov/rmv/license/13bMAID.htm

States can issue IDs for those who don't have a driver's licence. Also a passport is universally accepted as ID for those who don't have a licence.

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RE: More Argument For A National ID

Sat Sep 17, 2005 11:53 pm

>> Any official government document with your picture is considered ID in the USA. (birth certificate, passport, drvers license, etc)

Birth certificates don't have pictures, but can be used with another photo ID as verification sometimes.

>> Stupid question... does an (optional) ID currently exist in the US? Or is the only form of identification the driver's license? How does a person without a driver's license identify itself as of today?

Yes, but it's at the state level, not federal level. Most (if not all) offer non-driver's liscense ID cards. They look exactly like a DL except they have "Identification" written in bold letters. For example:

http://www.dmv.org/tx-texas/id-cards.php

>> That being said, I'm wondering WHY Americans are afraid of a national ID system?

It really doesn't bother me, I simply don't want to have to carry *another* card and another *number*. If a national ID was something like a Social Security card with a photo-ID, I'm cool.
 
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RE: More Argument For A National ID

Sat Sep 17, 2005 11:57 pm

Mananging a national ID card and database program in the USA would be a monstorous undertaking. It could conflict with our Constitution as to Federalism (powers and duties of the states vs. the Federal government) as well as serious constitutionally protected personal privacy issues. On the other hand, it would make it easier to id people whom lose their info (as from Hurricane Katrina), keep better track of criminals, reduce ID theft, but at a high cost of loss of privacy and possible abuse.
The state agencies that handle motor vehicle registration and drivers licensing also issue non-drivers picture id's, to provide id needs like to fly, enter secured building, residency proof, and so on. Because of the obtaining of drivers licenses with fradulent documents and information by the 9/11 hijackers, nationally eventually and already in some states there are strict programs of proof of idenity to obtain a drivers license or non-drivers ID. This includes requiring original stamped sealed birth certificates, or if a naturaized citizen, your citizenship papers among other documents. This is flawed too as we now see with the evacuees of Hurricane Katrina whom didn't bring those documents with them.
I think only the USA and the UK are among the only countries without a national ID card scheme. While it should be considered in both countries, (as to the UK, then you wouldn't need a passport to go to other EC countries!), there are issues as noted above that hold back our politicans from doing so.
 
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RE: More Argument For A National ID

Sun Sep 18, 2005 12:08 am

Quoting TedTAce (Thread starter):
LEST we forget that A) ALL of us carry a Social Security card and B) a lot of the members of this forum (I expect) carry a passport.

We carry neither of those around with us on a regular basis. At least I don't. But why go through the trouble of making a whole new ID system when the current state ID's work just fine? As long as states keep updating their ID's like NJ did to the super-secure ones, I think we are fine. And just stop giving ID's to illegals, but that is a whole different issue.

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