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Positive Observations During German Election

Sun Sep 18, 2005 3:35 am

Hey all,

today I had some stuff to do in FRA downtown. I left my car close to the Old Opera - somehow I was too busy and fixed within the week that I did not realize that the Chancellor was supposed to speak there around 5 pm. So when I returned, I heard his voice through the speakers and just went on the place. And let me just mention one thing, why I finally decided that I will vote FOR the present coalition. I should mention that I was not sure whether to vote at all and join the Theater. Another reason: The audience was rather composed of "average" people (let me use this expression without value), and not wannabe-elitists entrepreneurs...  Wink

Unlike in other countries, there was NO NEED for any increased security. Free access to the place (my car was about 10 yards away only, no control). Free movement. Free view. No controls ("kein Filzen")! It is great!

When I was working in the Reichstagsgebaeude (the German Parliament) when I was Student in Berlin, the same.. you can touch the Parliament. Chances are big that you meet lawmakers walking around "just like everyone else". No security hysteria, and no real hazard! That is how I want it to be.

Thanks, Mr. Schroeder that you deciced not to enter Iraq and "kpt Germany secure". Germans should realize that if Stoiber had won, there would probably be as big trouble as in the UK. For me a reason to vote for the coalition. It will be narrow, but now I am somehow convinced that we will get the "Traffic light coalition" (better than a big one, and the CDU/FDP might fail). It will be exciting, and may all Germans who should win and carry the consequences if the conservatives decide to help Bush to "search for Weapons of Mass Destruction" in Iran, Syria or so.. I am happy that thus far security hazards are marginal. Thanks to teh Chancellor for that!
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RE: Positive Observations During German Election

Sun Sep 18, 2005 3:57 am

Quoting Mrniji (Thread starter):
Positive Observations During German Election

POsitive Observations about Germany:
Beer.
Women.
BMW
And unlike the US, Germany is a world superpower but that didn´t make them feel they were better than the rest of the world.

German footbal is good also, off course, not that good as we here.

and off course.

Heide klun

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RE: Positive Observations During German Election

Sun Sep 18, 2005 4:08 am

Well, I won't disagree with your political assessment, but the security situation is not just a question of hysteria. US presidents have been the target of assassination attempts too often to just ignore the standing threat... It hasn't just started with Iraq.

I guess it has something to do with the almost imperial position of the US president. I've always thought it was a mistake to abolish the very sensible separation between head of state and head of government. It's certainly part of the situation, as well as the american obsession with violence and guns.

Let's just hope we can keep it more "civilian" over here...
 
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RE: Positive Observations During German Election

Sun Sep 18, 2005 4:16 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 2):
It's certainly part of the situation, as well as the american obsession with violence and guns.

Let's just hope we can keep it more "civilian" over here

And then there's that little skirmish called World War I that some would argue was sparked by the assassination of the Archduke of Austria.  Smile
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RE: Positive Observations During German Election

Sun Sep 18, 2005 4:16 am

Quoting Erikwilliam (Reply 1):
And unlike the US, Germany is a world superpower but that didn´t make them feel they were better than the rest of the world.

You do realize that last time Germany attempted to play "superpower" its attitude to the world would even let George Bush pale by comparison, don't you...?

Quoting Erikwilliam (Reply 1):
Nose from India, do you live in Germany??I tough you lived in Britain

I thought "all" the indians in Britain are actually pakistani...? Big grin
 
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RE: Positive Observations During German Election

Sun Sep 18, 2005 4:20 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 3):
And then there's that little skirmish called World War I that some would argue was sparked by the assassination of the Archduke of Austria.

He wasn't a chancellor of the Federal Republic of Germany, so our federal security doesn't worry about serbian anarchists too much at this time...
 
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RE: Positive Observations During German Election

Sun Sep 18, 2005 4:23 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 4):
You do realize that last time Germany attempted to play "superpower" its attitude to the world would even let George Bush pale by comparison, don't you...?

yeap, that really sucked. But still, Germany has a major role in the world. Even here, lot´s of germans.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 4):
I thought "all" the indians in Britain are actually pakistani...?

And here´s a tough on Cashemir fight.
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RE: Positive Observations During German Election

Sun Sep 18, 2005 4:37 am

My politics are left-of-centre, not Christian-Democrat, but to give her her due, Angela Merkel does seem to have grown in confidence and seems more charismatic and as a personality is giving the media geile Gerhard Schröder a run for his money.

Our Jan-Peter Balkenende will surely be the first to congratulate her.

But I hope Frau Merkel isn't a new Margaret Thatcher?

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RE: Positive Observations During German Election

Sun Sep 18, 2005 4:46 am

Quoting RobertNL070 (Reply 7):
Angela Merkel does seem to have grown in confidence and seems more charismatic and as a personality is giving the media geile Gerhard Schröder a run for his money.

She's indeed exceeding the rather low expectations people have... If she should win it will still be despite her lacking personal appeal relative to Schröder.

Quoting RobertNL070 (Reply 7):
But I hope Frau Merkel isn't a new Margaret Thatcher?

No, not by a long shot. In german political terms she's still a conservative, but within the CDU she's relatively left of their center. She's still dead set to increase the gap between the low and high income brackets according to her statements so far.
 
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RE: Positive Observations During German Election

Sun Sep 18, 2005 4:52 am

Thanks Klaus - that's a weight off my mind.

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RE: Positive Observations During German Election

Sun Sep 18, 2005 5:09 am

I can't imagine her to "handbag" her political opponents in Maggie's style anyway... Big grin
 
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RE: Positive Observations During German Election

Sun Sep 18, 2005 7:56 am

From an American perspective, I perfer that Merkel does win. George W. Bush has screwed up our image abroad, and as also put strain on our relations with Germany and Schroeder. A Merkel win, I think, would wipe off the slate, so to speak, and give us a fresh start.
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RE: Positive Observations During German Election

Sun Sep 18, 2005 8:04 am

Quoting QuestAir (Reply 11):
A Merkel win, I think, would wipe off the slate, so to speak, and give us a fresh start.

Not to mention she'll suck up to GWB quicker than you can say "WMD".
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RE: Positive Observations During German Election

Sun Sep 18, 2005 8:04 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 4):
You do realize that last time Germany attempted to play "superpower" its attitude to the world would even let George Bush pale by comparison, don't you...?

Pale is an understatement!  Smile
 
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RE: Positive Observations During German Election

Sun Sep 18, 2005 9:20 am

Quoting QuestAir (Reply 11):
From an American perspective, I perfer that Merkel does win. George W. Bush has screwed up our image abroad, and as also put strain on our relations with Germany and Schroeder. A Merkel win, I think, would wipe off the slate, so to speak, and give us a fresh start.

I think this carnival float pretty much sums up the populations's view on Merkel's stance in the Iraq discussion:



Bush's screwups cannot be "fixed" on this side of the Atlantic, don't get any illusions about that! Bush is resented because of what he did and how he did it, not because of anything Schröder said. If anything, Schröder followed popular opinion in the matter, he didn't create it.
 
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RE: Positive Observations During German Election

Sun Sep 18, 2005 10:40 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 2):
Let's just hope we can keep it more "civilian" over here...

I think you mean "civil" as civilian means a non-uniformed or government service entity or person.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 14):
Bush is resented because of what he did and how he did it, not because of anything Schröder said. If anything, Schröder followed popular opinion in the matter, he didn't create it.

Those that resent President Bush did so prior to the Iraq war. Chancellor Schroeder certainly played it up during his previous campaign as a means to deflect criticism and attention....that certainly helped mold public opinion.

It's amazing how a thread about German elections manages to spend more time talking about US politicians and leaders.
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RE: Positive Observations During German Election

Sun Sep 18, 2005 10:42 am

Quoting DL021 (Reply 15):
It's amazing how a thread about German elections manages to spend more time talking about US politicians and leaders.

I am wondering about the same, Ian!

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RE: Positive Observations During German Election

Sun Sep 18, 2005 10:45 am

Who is now ahead in the polling?
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RE: Positive Observations During German Election

Sun Sep 18, 2005 11:20 am

Quoting DL021 (Reply 15):
I think you mean "civil" as civilian means a non-uniformed or government service entity or person.

Several dictionaries I checked agree that both forms mean the same thing in this context.

Quoting DL021 (Reply 15):
Those that resent President Bush did so prior to the Iraq war.

His earlier aggressive obstruction in practically all international matters had already soured public opinion, but prior to the Iraq campaign 9-11 had put most of those feelings into the background. When he used the terror attacks to attempt a very transparent justification of the Iraq invasion he lost what little face he still had.

It had nothing to do with some mythical "anti-americanism" that inexplicably arose without any reason at all.  Yeah sure

Quoting DL021 (Reply 15):
Chancellor Schroeder certainly played it up during his previous campaign as a means to deflect criticism and attention....that certainly helped mold public opinion.

He only channelled an already existent public sentiment. Contrary to the USA, our public media had always reported the situation realistically, without the strange (and false) propaganda that dominated the US media at the time (and for which many have had to apologize in the mean time).

The blatant discrepancy between known evidence and official propaganda by the Bush administration was public knowledge, and that most people felt betrayed and resentful can't be a surprise.

Your incorrect assumption seems to be that the german population had been as oblivious to the evidence as you have been (many americans not even wanting to know).

Quoting DL021 (Reply 15):
It's amazing how a thread about German elections manages to spend more time talking about US politicians and leaders.

Merkel's complete failure of judgment in the Iraq matter does in fact play a role in people's voting decision. It's not a dominant factor, but it is a factor. And with the previous unrealistic statement about a presumed resolution of the transatlantic reservations a correction was needed.

Quoting DL021 (Reply 17):
Who is now ahead in the polling?

Schröder is significantly ahead of Merkel, but the CDU is significantly ahead of the SPD... But with that many people still undecided, it's not over yet...
 
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RE: Positive Observations During German Election

Sun Sep 18, 2005 11:31 am

what time does the polls open? i know some people are curious as to when the polls open like me... even though i dont live in Germany... they close when i wake up  Smile

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RE: Positive Observations During German Election

Sun Sep 18, 2005 11:34 am

They're open between 08:00-18:00 CET.
 
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RE: Positive Observations During German Election

Sun Sep 18, 2005 4:11 pm

Right...finished, Thank God. Went running this morning and came across the school, did my duty, still believe I picked it right this time (a first for me in the 1st vote, as usual in my second vote  Wink)...now let's see.

Somehow I believe it won't be as close as many believe, the days of Mr. Schroeder are probably over, no matter what happens today (meaning there's no constellation imaginable AND realistic that he'll keep on being Chancellor, except the red-red-green one, and even then I somehow doubt he'll actually do this to himself).
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RE: Positive Observations During German Election

Sun Sep 18, 2005 8:49 pm

What a lovely day! Sun is shining.. my daily routine had begun (getting started) - I repaired my bike... now I will meet some old friends - all a little "alternative" (in a VERY WIDE sense) , we will have a wonderful ride in the mountains here, in this lovely climate, a picnick, do some sports, and on the way back, we will cast our vote.. two of them will vote void (one will vote for Kohl, the other for Die Partei - who does not run in Hessen), the rest will probably represent the entire spectra (seriously, everyone from Linkspartei to CDU).. that's how I like it to be! The consensus to disagree should not stop a successful tenure as chancellor, whosoever wins.. quite frankly, I think Andreas might be right with his estimate, that Merkel will win clearer than anticipated - but EVERYTHING can happen.. predicting around 60 million voters behavior is very, very difficult

Quoting Klaus (Reply 2):
but the security situation is not just a question of hysteria. US presidents have been the target of assassination attempts too often to just ignore the standing threat... It hasn't just started with Iraq.



You are right here.. but how does it look in UK (OK, again different), but Spain during Aznar? Italy? Luckily we are not in that situation

Quoting Erikwilliam (Reply 6):
why not a cool guy like niji?!?!

I would be more than happy to come sometime!  

Quoting Erikwilliam (Reply 6):
Cashemir fight.
Do you want the land???Why, piece of dry mountains with nothing on it.

Believe me.. it is gorgeous up there.. but I am neutral and will remain so

Quoting DL021 (Reply 15):
It's amazing how a thread about German elections manages to spend more time talking about US politicians and leaders.

Ian, due to the Iraq war and Germany's role this issue has somehow "domesticated" here.. the US-German relations was one important issue, and I think it is not bad it is so. There is a lot behind this topic that affects almost every single person in the world...

[Edited 2005-09-18 13:51:25]
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RE: Positive Observations During German Election

Sun Sep 18, 2005 9:35 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 18):
Quoting DL021 (Reply 15):
I think you mean "civil" as civilian means a non-uniformed or government service entity or person.

Several dictionaries I checked agree that both forms mean the same thing in this context.

OK...well a lifetime of actual English as a first language usage tells me that civil has two meanings.....the context in which you appeared to use the term "Civilian" was as follows

Quoting DL021 (Reply 15):
Let's just hope we can keep it more "civilian" over here...

In that context I believe that "civil" is the word you want for proper colloquial English. "Civil" in that regard means to be polite and agreeable. "Civilian" in that spot of the sentence did not really fit. Do what you want, but I was simply trying to be helpful. I have pointed out in the past that when I make a grammar correction to my European friends it's with the knowledge that most of them speak better English than I do their language, and it's in the spirit of being helpful.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 18):
It had nothing to do with some mythical "anti-americanism" that inexplicably arose without any reason at all.

Oh, please stop being disengenuous....there has been a serious anti-American undertone in certain aspects of European society (especially the left) for a very long time. To deny that is to give lie to the rest of what you say. Acknowledge it and justify it if you want, but don't tell me the moon is made of green cheese and expect me to take everything else you say seriously.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 18):
Quoting DL021 (Reply 17):
Who is now ahead in the polling?

Schröder is significantly ahead of Merkel, but the CDU is significantly ahead of the SPD... But with that many people still undecided, it's not over yet...

Significantly ahead? Why does the world press disagree with that by calling the election close? How far are you from reality?
Here's a couple of sources for that.
http://english.bna.bh/?ID=35826
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=1136647
http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_1772505,00.html
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,1564,607872,00.html

Quoting Mrniji (Reply 22):
What a lovely day! Sun is shining.. my daily routine had begun (getting started) - I repaired my bike... now I will meet some old friends - all a little "alternative" (in a VERY WIDE sense) , we will have a wonderful ride in the mountains here, in this lovely climate, a picnick, do some sports, and on the way back, we will cast our vote..

Sounds like a great day.

Quoting Mrniji (Reply 22):
Ian, due to the Iraq war and Germany's role this issue has somehow "domesticated" here.. the US-German relations was one important issue, and I think it is not bad it is so. There is a lot behind this topic that affects almost every single person in the world...

Subin....(if I'm correct in my spelling of that, please correct me otherwise) I appreciate that fact. However I'd think that the US would be a less important factor in German elections since the domestic issues that more directly affect the daily lives of Germans are more pressing. I've read that unemployment in some areas is running at 15%, and the cost of social security is constantly rising so those would appear to be more important. Is discussing the US simply a means to avoid dealing with those more complicated issues for many Germans?
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RE: Positive Observations During German Election

Sun Sep 18, 2005 10:32 pm

Quoting DL021 (Reply 23):
How far are you from reality?

Not an inch. Schröder is ahead of Merkel - personally. If the election was between Schröder and Merkel instead of SPD vs. CDU/CSU, it would be a cakewalk for Schröder. It's his party/the coalition which is about to lose the election.
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RE: Positive Observations During German Election

Sun Sep 18, 2005 10:56 pm

Quoting Aloges (Reply 24):
Not an inch. Schröder is ahead of Merkel - personally. If the election was between Schröder and Merkel instead of SPD vs. CDU/CSU, it would be a cakewalk for Schröder. It's his party/the coalition which is about to lose the election.

True, but as we are so lucky to have a parliamentary system, personal preferences are not that important as programs, thats why the last TV Duels between Schröder and Merkel and Schröder and Stoiber had only little impact on the results, even though I agree that the loss of the CDU 2002 was mostly due to Stoiber being unpopular.

About the elections, in 2 hours we will know more. I think it will be close...

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RE: Positive Observations During German Election

Mon Sep 19, 2005 12:32 am

Quoting Aloges (Reply 24):
Not an inch. Schröder is ahead of Merkel - personally. If the election was between Schröder and Merkel instead of SPD vs. CDU/CSU, it would be a cakewalk for Schröder. It's his party/the coalition which is about to lose the election.

Yeah, I can agree there, but my point was more about Klaus' desire to mold belief by discussing personal appeal in a process that seems to be more about party than anything else. People aren't voting as much for the person as they are for their local representative and personal feelings on the direction of the country. It's not like a Presidential election where personality can play a much larger role. Am I incorrect in this conclusion? BTW...it's easier to discuss things with people like you and Niji as you guys don't preach as does Klaus with bold and italics to make it easy on the rest of us can follow his "elevated" lines of thinking. I might disagree but at least it's more agreeable.

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 25):
True, but as we are so lucky to have a parliamentary system, personal preferences are not that important as programs, thats why the last TV Duels between Schröder and Merkel and Schröder and Stoiber had only little impact on the results, even though I agree that the loss of the CDU 2002 was mostly due to Stoiber being unpopular.

OK...that reinforces my point.



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RE: Positive Observations During German Election

Tue Sep 20, 2005 7:25 pm

Quoting DL021 (Reply 23):
Is discussing the US simply a means to avoid dealing with those more complicated issues for many Germans?

Ian, yes you spelled my name correctly! And sorry for the late reply.. I was busy meeting old friends I have not met for AGES.

Well, I might have done an overstatement before. The issue about US relations was ONE among MANY issues that were discussed. I have the disadvantage that I only returned to Germany the 9 September,m because I was working in India and only observed the campaign daily in several newspapers. However, I had the impression that there was a good debate going on. Democracy works well in Germany (this is my opinion), because the Press landscape is very favorable. I witnessed many issues to be discussed, with the ability of Mrs Merkel to loose an easy victory.. So, just to give a disclaimer: the US was not the prime issue, foreign policy was marginal, in my eyes (though Mr Schroeder wanted to score with being the Peace chancellor, and he did). The "Schroeder effect" rescued the SPD from a big defeat. But this is all only my opinion, wait till other Germans post their views to have a more comprehensive view
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RE: Positive Observations During German Election

Tue Sep 20, 2005 7:42 pm

Quoting DL021 (Reply 26):
Yeah, I can agree there, but my point was more about Klaus' desire to mold belief by discussing personal appeal in a process that seems to be more about party than anything else.

No, you misread that, as you can check for yourself.

I was simply pointing out what the surveyed situation was: Schröder being ahead personally and still the CDU/CSU/FDP parties being ahead at the same time.
 
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RE: Positive Observations During German Election

Tue Sep 20, 2005 8:01 pm

True, the USA was almost a non-issue, although CDU/CSU and FDP (pro economy Liberals - the assumed junior partner of a conservative government) pulled US-American ties back on the agenda a couple of times, saying that Germany needs both: close ties to other EU member countries as well as to the USA.
However Minister Fischer (Greens) wasn't the one who messed up bilateral relationship. Schroeder was, as well as President Bush and Mrs. Rice.

Iraq was discussed more frequently than relations between Germany and the USA.

Quoting Mrniji (Thread starter):
Unlike in other countries, there was NO NEED for any increased security. Free access to the place (my car was about 10 yards away only, no control). Free movement. Free view. No controls ("kein Filzen")! It is great!

When I was working in the Reichstagsgebaeude (the German Parliament) when I was Student in Berlin, the same.. you can touch the Parliament. Chances are big that you meet lawmakers walking around "just like everyone else". No security hysteria, and no real hazard! That is how I want it to be.

True. The US American and British embassies reside behind cordoned off roads, but you can stray around Bundestag, Reichstag Building, Chancellory and Ministries. You can visit the Reichstag Building every day from 8:00 am to 10:00 pm, Ministries and Chancellory have an Open House Day at least once a year. It's somewhat bizarre, and I'm very much hoping that we'll never regret the decision not to hide the governmental district behind walls and fences.

But I have to second Klaus: Too many assasination attempts and the leading role the US President has do make severe security measures neccessary.
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RE: Positive Observations During German Election

Tue Sep 20, 2005 8:14 pm

I almost forgot:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 23):
In that context I believe that "civil" is the word you want for proper colloquial English. "Civil" in that regard means to be polite and agreeable. "Civilian" in that spot of the sentence did not really fit. Do what you want, but I was simply trying to be helpful. I have pointed out in the past that when I make a grammar correction to my European friends it's with the knowledge that most of them speak better English than I do their language, and it's in the spirit of being helpful.

No, you got it wrong there. Civilian was exactly the meaning I was going for - as a contrast to the quasi-militarized zone that follows the american president in the form of all his security layers wherever he goes.

Quoting DL021 (Reply 23):
Oh, please stop being disengenuous....there has been a serious anti-American undertone in certain aspects of European society (especially the left) for a very long time.

As a result of Bush's treatment of the world in general and the Iraq issue in particular. And you conveniently overlook the fact that any anti-american undertone is normally drowned out by an even more pronounced pro-american undertone in much broader parts of the german population.

You would have to actually consider the connection to US foreign policy in order to acknowledge that - but simple stereotypes simply fall short of reality yet again.
 
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RE: Positive Observations During German Election

Wed Sep 21, 2005 12:09 am

When I watch German news (in English), I don't see the US (or the war in Iraq) as being a big issue at all. Is this the opinion of German voters too? And while Merkel was in favor of the war in Iraq, has she stated outright that she would have committed troops to that effort?

I saw the economy and the Turkish EU entry as being the big ticket issues.

As an aside:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 4):
I thought "all" the indians in Britain are actually pakistani...?

Actually, a majority of those from the subcontinent are from India. With over 80 weekly direct services between the UK and India (not counting those 5 daily EK flights !) growing to over 140 in the next year who do you think fills those planes?
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RE: Positive Observations During German Election

Wed Sep 21, 2005 12:16 am

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 31):
When I watch German news (in English), I don't see the US (or the war in Iraq) as being a big issue at all.

Iraq played a - albeit small - role. It was credited to the chancellor to show Bush that he has nuts (with 90 % ++ Germans against that war, including many, many conservative voters)

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 31):
And while Merkel was in favor of the war in Iraq, has she stated outright that she would have committed troops to that effort?

She never quoted explicitely, because any suspicion that she would send troops would have meant her defeat. But for sure you can say that the first thing she would have done after winning is to suck the cock of Bush Jr. within the big saloon of the White House, in presense of camera teams of allover the world
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RE: Positive Observations During German Election

Wed Sep 21, 2005 12:19 am

Quoting Mrniji (Thread starter):
Thanks, Mr. Schroeder that you deciced not to enter Iraq and "kpt Germany secure".

We are not secure but we are safer than other countries. Be fair to others and you can expect fairness from others too.

Quoting Aloges (Reply 12):
Not to mention she'll suck up to GWB quicker than you can say "WMD".

Right, Aloges. And this is one of the points Angela is not that popular as Gerhard. Also German public didn't believe Angela when she said Germany wouldn't participate if some sh*t happens in Iran.

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 16):
Quoting DL021 (Reply 15):
It's amazing how a thread about German elections manages to spend more time talking about US politicians and leaders.

I am wondering about the same, Ian!

An election also has something to do with international politics and remember how Gerhard won election in 2002: Oder catastrophy and Iraq war monger.
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RE: Positive Observations During German Election

Wed Sep 21, 2005 12:37 am

Quoting Mrniji (Reply 32):
She never quoted explicitely, because any suspicion that she would send troops would have meant her defeat. But for sure you can say that the first thing she would have done after winning is to suck the cock of Bush Jr. within the big saloon of the White House, in presense of camera teams of allover the world

ROFL !  Smile

Well, looks like Dubya will have to wait a bit for that bj.
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RE: Positive Observations During German Election

Wed Sep 21, 2005 12:45 am

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 34):
Well, looks like Dubya will have to wait a bit for that bj

He will never get it. He will probably premature ejaculate in excitement of a change from Mrs. Bush and anticipation of her visit and won't be able to get it up at all, considering that he has a wife who is almost as ugly as Mrs Merkel
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RE: Positive Observations During German Election

Wed Sep 21, 2005 1:18 am

Concerning security. It's true its not that tight than it's in other countries. But last time I visited the Bundestag my Rucksack was X-rayed and I had to go through a metal detector. And last time I visited the "Kanzleramt" (somewhat like our White House) I wasn't even allowed to use the toilet without a companion from the BGA (!) although I went through a metal detector before I entered the Kanzleramt.

What are the security meassure if you want to visit the Congress or the House of Parliament? Just as a comparison.

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 29):
You can visit the Reichstag Building every day from 8:00 am to 10:00 pm,

Yes, but you can only visit special public areas, like the dome which are completly seperated from the rest of the building. In order to see the other Areas you need an invitation. And of course they run your personal data through a backround-check to see whether you're a good citizen.

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