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Yakking On The Cell While Driving.....

Wed Sep 21, 2005 9:43 am

...and now our kids are doing it. It's become a trend in the safety stats.....

From the NTSB today...:

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NTSB PRESS RELEASE
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National Transportation Safety Board
Washington, DC 20594

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: September 20, 2005
SB-05-28

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NTSB ADDS TO MOST WANTED LIST CELL PHONE PROHIBITION RECOMMENDATION FOR TEENS LEARNING TO DRIVE; REMOVES UNDERAGE DRINKING AND TEEN NIGHTTIME DRIVING RESTRICTION

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Washington, DC - In an effort to reduce highway crashes --
the leading cause of death among 15- to 20- year-olds -- the
National Transportation Safety Board today urged States to
prohibit inexperienced teenaged drivers from using wireless
communications devices while they are learning to drive.

"An average of more than 120 young people die every
week in vehicle crashes in this country. It's a tragedy
that repeats itself in every city and community and it has
to stop," said Acting NTSB Chairman Mark V. Rosenker. "We
must do everything we can to reduce these needless deaths
and we strongly believe that banning wireless communications
devices for teenagers learning to drive will help
significantly."

At a public meeting today the NTSB added restricting
wireless communications devices for young learners on its
"Most Wanted List" of transportation safety improvements.

The recommendation, H-03-8, has been added to the
Promote Youth Highway Safety area of the list. Currently 11
States and the District of Columbia have laws related to
wireless communication devices and young drivers, but only
eight States have laws prohibiting their use by learners in
both the permit and intermediate stages.

The Board also removed two recommendations, calling
for comprehensive underage drinking and driving or "Age 21"
laws, and nighttime driving restrictions for young novice
drivers, from the list. Focused advocacy efforts have
resulted in more than 80 percent of the States implementing
the two recommendations that are part of the Board's Promote
Youth Highway Safety issue area.
The Most Wanted list's six issue areas and the
recommendations are summarized below.
Improve Child Occupant Protection

Between 1995 and 2004 more than 3,800 child automobile
occupants were killed in traffic crashes. About 86% of the
children killed, aged 4 though 8, were unrestrained or
improperly restrained in adult-sized seat belts.

Safety Recommendation H-96-14 calls for States to
require mandatory use of child restraint systems for
children up to 8 years old. Thirty-three States and the
District of Columbia require the use of booster seats
although only 11 and the District of Columbia require use
through age seven as the Board recommended.

Primary Seat Belt Enforcement

Primary enforcement of seat belt laws is the single
most important measure that States can take to reduce the
death toll from highway crashes. Almost 31,700 people died
in automobile crashes in 2004, 55 percent of those killed
were unrestrained. Lap/shoulder belts, when used, reduce the
risk of fatal injury to front seat passengers by 45 percent.
Further when adults buckle up 86 percent of children are
buckled up but when adults do not buckle up, the percentage
of restrained children drops to 50.

Safety Recommendation H-97-2 asks States to enact
legislation allowing law enforcement to cite people for not
wearing seat belts even when no other violation is evident.
The recommendation also calls for seat belt violations to
include driver's license penalty points and appropriate
fines. Twenty-two States and the District of Columbia have
enacted primary enforcement laws. Only the District of
Columbia, New York, and the U.S. Virgin Islands assess
penalty points for seat belt violations.

Promote Youth Highway Safety

Motor vehicle crashes remain the leading cause of
death for young drivers, 15 to 20 years old. From 1995-2004
about 64,000 young people died in traffic crashes - more
than 122 each week.

The Board's recommendations in this area have focused
on improving several factors noted in crashes involving
young drivers. While young drivers do only 20 percent of
their driving at night, over half of the crash fatalities
occur during nighttime hours. The risk of a crash involving
a young driver increases with each additional teen passenger
in the vehicle and, in 2004, 24 percent of the fatally
injured drivers aged 15-20 were legally impaired by alcohol.

Safety Recommendation H-93-1 asked States to enact
drinking age (age 21) laws that prohibit persons under age
21 from attempting to purchase, purchasing, publicly
possessing, or consuming alcoholic beverages as well as
prohibit the sale of alcoholic beverages to persons under
age 21. Currently all 50 States and the District of Columbia
now prohibit the alcohol sale, public possession of alcohol,
and the use of fraudulent or false identification to
purchase alcohol. Forty-six States prohibit under age
purchase and 42 states prohibit under age attempt to
purchase.

Safety Recommendation H-93-9 called for States to
restrict nighttime driving privileges for young drivers,
especially between the hours of midnight and 5 a.m. Forty- three States plus the District of Columbia and Guam have
nighttime driving restrictions generally starting around 11
p.m. to midnight.

Safety Recommendations H-93-1 and H-93-9 were changed
to a Closed-Acceptable Action status because of the majority
of States have taken the recommended action and removed from
the Most Wanted List.

Safety Recommendation H-02-30 asks States to restrict
the number of passengers under age 20 for young drivers with
provisional licenses for at least six months. Thirty-three
States and the District of Columbia have passenger
restriction laws for young drivers. In 20 States the
restriction is in place for at least 6 months.

Safety Recommendation H-02-32 calls for a three-stage
graduated licensing system for young drivers including
passenger restrictions during the provisional stage. Thirty- nine States and the District of Columbia have adopted
comprehensive systems including all of the elements
recommended by the Board. Eleven States have enacted partial
systems.

Eliminate Hard Core Drinking Driving

In 2004 there were 16,694 alcohol-related traffic
crash fatalities and 54 percent of those fatalities involved
hard core drinking drivers. A hard core drinking driver is a
repeat offender with a prior driving-while-intoxicated
arrest within the past 10 years, or an offender with a blood
alcohol content of 0.15 percent or greater.

Safety Recommendation H-00-26 encourages States to
establish a comprehensive program, containing 11 elements,
designed to prevent hard core drinkers from driving. Since
the Board issued the recommendation in 2000, at least 22
States and the District of Columbia have adopted one or more
elements of the model program but only 5 States have
developed programs sufficient to close the recommendation
for the State.

School Bus/Grade Crossing Safety

Although school bus grade crossing accidents are
infrequent, the results are disastrous when they do occur.
Passive grade crossings are especially dangerous because
there are no lights or audible warning systems to indicate
when a train is approaching. Requiring bus drivers to "stop,
look, and listen" before entering a grade crossing helps
ensure the safety of all children on a school bus.

Safety Recommendation H-01-38 proposes that States
implement a program to install stop signs at crossings,
enhance bus driver training, and require noise-reducing
switches. Six States have installed stop signs at crossings.
Thirty-two States have enhanced driver training, and 12
States now require noise-reducing switches (to mute the
radio, heater and air conditioner) on newly purchased school
buses.

Enhance Recreational Boating Safety

Last year more than 600 people were killed in
recreational boating accidents and most of those, 72
percent, died from drowning. The Coast Guard reports that
about 89% of the drowning victims were not wearing personal
flotation devices (PFDs). This issue area has two
recommendations.

Safety Recommendation M-93-1 asks for mandatory use of
PFDs for children demonstration of operator knowledge of
safe boating rules and skills, and operator licensing. Since
the Board's recommendations were issued 31 States, the
District of Columbia, and Puerto Rico now have mandatory
education. Thirty-one States and the District of Columbia
have both PFD requirements and mandatory education.

Safety Recommendation M-98-101 calls for States to
require rental businesses to provide safety instruction and
training to all persons who operate rented personal
watercraft. Currently 31 States, the District of Columbia,
and three territories require safety instruction at PWC
rental operations.

Acting Chairman Rosenker said, "Clearly, the Board's
advocacy efforts have been extremely successful. There have
been 238 safety improvements in the States since these
recommendations were issued. Each one contributed to a
reduction in accidents, injuries and fatalities in their
respective States. I ask all the States to work with us to
make transportation safety a priority for all our citizens."

Maps and tables providing State-by-State details for
each of the recommendations be found on the Board's website
http://www.ntsb.gov/Recs/mostwanted/index.htm.


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NTSB Press Contacts: (202) 314-6100

Improved Child Occupant Protection -- Paul Schlamm
Primary Seat Belt Laws - Terry Williams
Hard Core Drinking Driving -- Lauren Peduzzi
School Buses at Grade Crossings -- Lauren Peduzzi
Youth Highway Safety -- Keith Holloway
Recreational Boating Safety -- Keith Holloway













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TedTAce
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RE: Yakking On The Cell While Driving.....

Wed Sep 21, 2005 9:51 am

Quoting SATL382G (Thread starter):
An average of more than 120 young people die every
week in vehicle crashes in this country

If 100% of those deaths were cell phone related I say good riddence!! It was bad enough when people were JUST going slow in the left hand lane, but since cell phone popularity; things have gotten 100% worse.

Florida Just passed a law that BASICALLY says you can shoot anyone anywhere if you think your saftey is being compromised. I think it's time for me to go shopping for a gun. Any suggestions?
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RE: Yakking On The Cell While Driving.....

Wed Sep 21, 2005 9:59 am

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 1):
Florida Just passed a law that BASICALLY says you can shoot anyone anywhere if you think your saftey is being compromised.

That isn't far from the way things are anywhere else. Florida just has one of the softest conceal and carry laws.

Enough hijacking the topic Ted, or we might have to bust out the red flags and crickets.


Personally, I say get the cell phones off the road. If you have to talk in the car pull over and stop endangering the rest of us with your inattention. I do as little as humanly possible (other than driving) when driving. More people need to get into this habit.. There also needs to be a law about the assholes who read and drive.. I honk at them just out of principle.
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RE: Yakking On The Cell While Driving.....

Wed Sep 21, 2005 10:04 am

Geez......all I can say is about f*cking time. Every single day I get behind some swerving idiot, usually some middle-aged soccer mom who's driving the largest SUV on the market with the skills of a lab rat, yacking away on the phone missing turnoffs, stop lights, stop signs, yield signs, crossing cows, etc.

This has got to be a subject that I am definitely passionate about, as I dread every minute on the roads. Surprisingly, and very disturbingly, its getting more dangerous to drive during afternoon and evening commutes than it is after the bars let out. Unreal.

So, aside from my ranting.........I am very much in support of preventing those with even LESS experience and skills than the soccer moms from yacking away.

Also, and as soon as I can find the link I'll post it, there was a study recently that showed how ineffective the 'hands-free' units are from distracting drivers, as they are just as likely to become retarded as those driving with the phone to their ear. The bad part is that those using these hands-free things have this feeling as though they're still in control and focused, even though their mental alertness has been compared to that of a driver over the legal drinking limit.
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RE: Yakking On The Cell While Driving.....

Wed Sep 21, 2005 10:11 am

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 3):
even though their mental alertness has been compared to that of a driver over the legal drinking limit.

Let's be fair: most people who choose to drive and talk have an IQ of ABOUT 60 to begin with so comparing them to a drunk is insulting to alcoholics...  Big grin Sorry Kirkie!!
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RE: Yakking On The Cell While Driving.....

Wed Sep 21, 2005 10:15 am

How can ANYBODY drive a 3-4000pound vehicle 60 mph or more and not give it 100 per cent total effort? Don't they realize they are in a potential coffin on wheels? Nothing gets me more annoyed than seeing that!!!
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RE: Yakking On The Cell While Driving.....

Wed Sep 21, 2005 10:17 am

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RE: Yakking On The Cell While Driving.....

Wed Sep 21, 2005 10:26 am

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 2):
Personally, I say get the cell phones off the road. If you have to talk in the car pull over and stop endangering the rest of us with your inattention.

 checkmark  100% Agreed.

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 2):
I do as little as humanly possible (other than driving) when driving.

I used to be one of the the world's worst drivers, but I eventually saw the errors of my ways. Now I consider myself one of the best drivers in Texas. Then again, I'm not really sure that's actually saying very much.  Big grin
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RE: Yakking On The Cell While Driving.....

Wed Sep 21, 2005 10:28 am

Quoting SATX (Reply 7):
Now I consider myself one of the best drivers in Texas. Then again, I'm not really sure that's actually saying very much.

In this town, no, it isn't saying much.. When did yield signs lose all meaning?
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RE: Yakking On The Cell While Driving.....

Wed Sep 21, 2005 10:45 am

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 4):
Let's be fair: most people who choose to drive and talk have an IQ of ABOUT 60 to begin with so comparing them to a drunk is insulting to alcoholics...

Self-insulting, so yes, I must apologize.  bigthumbsup 

Quoting 747srule (Reply 5):
How can ANYBODY drive a 3-4000pound vehicle 60 mph or more and not give it 100 per cent total effort? Don't they realize they are in a potential coffin on wheels?

Easy......at 3-4,000 lbs., they're no longer the coffin.....they're the cryptkeeper.

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 8):
When did yield signs lose all meaning?

When the stop signs did.  crazy 
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RE: Yakking On The Cell While Driving.....

Wed Sep 21, 2005 11:27 am

Did anyone see that TV commercial for an insurance(?) company of a lady doing everything from talking on a cellphone to reading the newspaper while on the highway only to cut across two lanes because she was about to miss her exit?

That was pretty funny.
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RE: Yakking On The Cell While Driving.....

Wed Sep 21, 2005 11:30 am

Of course cell phones can be a hazard...but sometimes i wonder if they're any worse than people talking to passengers, turning around to yell at the kids, looking at their 'in-car computer', eating and drinking, putting on make-up, READING!! I mean..we can only go so far.
 
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RE: Yakking On The Cell While Driving.....

Wed Sep 21, 2005 11:35 am

Quoting Basas (Reply 11):
people talking to passengers, turning around to yell at the kids, looking at their 'in-car computer', eating and drinking, putting on make-up, READING

For some reason or another we made it through almost 100 years of that with the ODD incident. Cellphones dropped everyone's IQ and driving ability by more then a third.
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RE: Yakking On The Cell While Driving.....

Wed Sep 21, 2005 3:55 pm

In the Middle East it's actually compulsory to be using a mobile phone while driving your big-ass 4x4 at 80MPH.  crazy 
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RE: Yakking On The Cell While Driving.....

Wed Sep 21, 2005 9:09 pm

By the way, one more foot note....

IMHO it should be that if it's proven that you kill someone while talking on the cellphone.. you get the Death Penalty... preferably Utah Style....
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RE: Yakking On The Cell While Driving.....

Wed Sep 21, 2005 9:15 pm

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 3):
Geez......all I can say is about f*cking time. Every single day I get behind some swerving idiot, usually some middle-aged soccer mom who's driving the largest SUV on the market with the skills of a lab rat, yacking away on the phone missing turnoffs, stop lights, stop signs, yield signs, crossing cows, etc.

Interesting to see there is absolutely no difference between the US and UK then. Its exactly the same group which cause so much carnage and fear on the roads when i drive to work every day too.

But hey if they don't use the cell phone when driving, when else are they going to book that all important hair dressers appointment or manicure once they've dropped the kids off.....
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RE: Yakking On The Cell While Driving.....

Wed Sep 21, 2005 10:04 pm

It's illegal to talk on a hand-held cell phone while driving here in Oz, on the other hand texting while driving is much worse - there was a case here a while back where someone was convicted for hitting & killing someone while sending a text.
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RE: Yakking On The Cell While Driving.....

Wed Sep 21, 2005 10:11 pm

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned that the cell phone industry is actively lobbying AGAINST regulation of driving while on the phone.

I wonder if their lawyers know what happened to Big Tobacco?
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RE: Yakking On The Cell While Driving.....

Wed Sep 21, 2005 10:11 pm

for all the reasons above said, it´s against the law to drive and talk on the cell phone in Brasil. Heavy heavy fines.
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RE: Yakking On The Cell While Driving.....

Wed Sep 21, 2005 10:23 pm

I try not to talk on the phone while driving, but just add that to the long list of things I try not to do but do anyway.

The other day I was talking on the phone and I managed to make a left turn, shift, and take a bite out of an Egg McMuffin all at the same time. I couldn't help but feel a little proud of myself.
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RE: Yakking On The Cell While Driving.....

Wed Sep 21, 2005 11:17 pm

Quoting MKEdude (Reply 19):
I couldn't help but feel a little proud of myself.

you have low concepts of your self right?
 rotfl   rotfl 
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RE: Yakking On The Cell While Driving.....

Wed Sep 21, 2005 11:27 pm

In Germany:
60.- Euro fine if caught using a cellphone while driving.

In Italy:
Up to 500.- Euro fine on the spot if caught (one of the few things Italian traffic cops are really serious about).

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RE: Yakking On The Cell While Driving.....

Wed Sep 21, 2005 11:30 pm

Quoting MKEdude (Reply 19):
The other day I was talking on the phone and I managed to make a left turn, shift, and take a bite out of an Egg McMuffin all at the same time. I couldn't help but feel a little proud of myself.

Sad... but that is somewhat talented...
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RE: Yakking On The Cell While Driving.....

Thu Sep 22, 2005 3:15 am

Quoting Erikwilliam (Reply 20):
you have low concepts of your self right?

Hey you gotta go with your talents, whatever they are.
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RE: Yakking On The Cell While Driving.....

Thu Sep 22, 2005 3:47 am

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 22):
Sad... but that is somewhat talented...

 rotfl   rotfl 
my thinking also...

Quoting MKEdude (Reply 23):
Hey you gotta go with your talents, whatever they are.

priceless man, priceless Big grin
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RE: Yakking On The Cell While Driving.....

Thu Sep 22, 2005 1:18 pm

People who talk on cell phones while driving deserve to run into a pole!!!! I am so tired of these "brainless people"!!!! banghead  Most of whom in the neighbourhood I live in can't drive anyhow!!!  box 

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RE: Yakking On The Cell While Driving.....

Fri Sep 23, 2005 5:25 am

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 13):
In the Middle East it's actually compulsory to be using a mobile phone while driving your big-ass 4x4 at 80MPH.

Same here, even though it's now illegal, it's still very common. Smoking whilst driving is also a "must" - looks extra cool, plus changing gear as no-one here likes automatics, and steering with one's knee.


Road fatalities per 100,000 population
Portugal 21
Greece 20.2
Spain 14.6
France 14.4
Belgium 13.7
Luxembourg 13.5
Austria 13.4
Italy 11
Ireland 11
Denmark 9.7
Germany 9.5
Netherlands 6.9
Sweden 6.6
United Kingdom 5.9

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RE: Yakking On The Cell While Driving.....

Fri Sep 23, 2005 5:58 am

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 4):
Let's be fair: most people who choose to drive and talk have an IQ of ABOUT 60 to begin with

Well said TedTAce

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 21):
60.- Euro fine if caught using a cellphone while driving

Netherlands €140,00/$170,00 fine

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RE: Yakking On The Cell While Driving.....

Fri Sep 23, 2005 6:29 am

Cellphones of ALL types should be outright banned from use in moving vehicles. Here in New Jersey, although hand-held ones have been outlawed for over a year, there's no apparent enforcement and I'm always seeing people yakking away on them. Such a "Lady Chatterly" cut me off on the road not too long ago, I barely avoided her big Mercedes. If this happens again, at the next light, I'll get out, go over to the car, reach in and grab the phone to turn over to the local PD, along with her plate number. If the lady or her hubby makes a stink about me. I'll relate the circumstances and say I was merely acting in the interest of public safety.

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