United737522
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Joining The Army?

Thu Sep 29, 2005 2:04 pm

Hi all,

I am at the point where I have been really looking into college and what I want to do in life. I really want to be an airline pilot. I have been looking into the ways to achieve that. There is of course, the civilian route. I see this as really expensive, and I am not sure that I could build up the time needed to get me hired anywhere within the industry. Then there is the military route. Not only is it free, but I hear airlines prefer people from the military.

So here is my predicament.

-I could go to college, a place such as Embry Riddle or Metro State here in Colorado, both of which offer flight programs. I am not sure of the cost, but I am sure it is not cheap.

-I had an army recruiter approach me at school, he was just talking to me about what I wanted to do. He brought up that the army had an area in aviation. Really surprised me. He told me that I could become a warrant officer and fly helicopters and said it would be great for a future pilot career at the airlines. I could be reserve or active duty. There is also Air Force, Coast Guard, Marines, etc.

Here is the thing, I want to do what it takes to become an airline pilot. I need to know what I should do. Can anyone give me advice? Any is appreciated.

Best Regards,
Ryan Richter
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RE: Joining The Army?

Thu Sep 29, 2005 2:30 pm

The guy's telling porkies. If you really want to be an airline pilot via the military then join the air force or navy and fly something big with 4 engines.

Conversion to airliner from rotary is not something airlines are interested in providing thereby defeating your whole plan.
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RE: Joining The Army?

Thu Sep 29, 2005 2:41 pm

Quoting United737522 (Thread starter):
-I could go to college, a place such as Embry Riddle or Metro State here in Colorado, both of which offer flight programs. I am not sure of the cost, but I am sure it is not cheap.

There are others, what I found in my search is that UND is the cheapest compared to ERAU, Metro, and Kansas State Salina.

Quoting United737522 (Thread starter):
-I had an army recruiter approach me at school, he was just talking to me about what I wanted to do. He brought up that the army had an area in aviation. Really surprised me. He told me that I could become a warrant officer and fly helicopters and said it would be great for a future pilot career at the airlines. I could be reserve or active duty. There is also Air Force, Coast Guard, Marines, etc.

Ryan, don't give the recruiters that come to Ponderosa any of your time. They will preach to you all day long about how good the travel benefits and you get to go to exotic places and such and such and how you'll be put right into a flight program... It's all bullshit. One day in Auto shop senior year they were really hamming in up about "oh I went to italy and rome and france and all over europe" so I asked them what it was like to have their legs blown off by machine gun fire...ended their thunder righ there. They aren't out to make you happy ryan they just want to boost their recruitment numbers.
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RE: Joining The Army?

Thu Sep 29, 2005 3:14 pm

Quoting Pacificjourney (Reply 1):
Conversion to airliner from rotary is not something airlines are interested in

PJ is actually right here.. Sometimes you can luck out and it happens, but not often..

However, to fly with the AF or Navy you need to be an officer, and that means college.
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RE: Joining The Army?

Thu Sep 29, 2005 4:08 pm

I have a friend that is in the U.S. Air Force Reserves. He is using that to pay for his college tuition and flight courses. Good Luck and keep at it.

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RE: Joining The Army?

Thu Sep 29, 2005 4:16 pm

Ryan,

If you want to join the armed forces think carefully.

You might very well end up in a war with people trying very hard to kill you and you doing all you can to kill them.

You might consider the civilian route to get your airline job.
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RE: Joining The Army?

Thu Sep 29, 2005 4:46 pm

Quoting United737522 (Thread starter):
He told me that I could become a warrant officer and fly helicopters and said it would be great for a future pilot career at the airlines.

I nearly fell of my bed when I read this. Please tell me you didn't believe him. I don't remember any U.S airlines flying helicopters do you? I remember my local Marine recruiters in high school, I hear Marines Recruits tell even more BS than other branches. He was telling me how Marines have aviation. I asked him don't I have to go through the navy to learn to be a Marine pilot,(I already knew the answer) He said no you don't. That's when I bid him good day and left. I don't think he was trying to lie it was just that he was so ignorant in the field of Miliatary aviation and he was trying to sound like he knew what he was talking about.

Don't go to the military so you can train to be an airline pilot. That's already the wrong mindset. Next thing you know you will be up there in the middle of the night on a bombing mission with fighters trying to blow you out of the sky. I guarentee you that todays military pilots aren't there because they want to go to the airlines.
 
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RE: Joining The Army?

Thu Sep 29, 2005 6:04 pm

Ryan,

My only advice is to post this topic in the Tech/Ops forum (perhaps with a title that would gain the notice of current airline pilots). I know some of them over there have had military experience, and their experience might help you.

That's all. Good luck.

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RE: Joining The Army?

Fri Sep 30, 2005 6:48 am

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 6):
I guarentee you that todays military pilots aren't there because they want to go to the airlines.

Oh, you'll be suprised in the squadrons here where I work. Not all fighter pilot go directly into the airline pre-9/11, but most do and this is directly with the major airline, not regional airlines.

Military route is the best way to go for an airline pilot's career. Training is free, it's competitive, and it's GUARENTEED if you have a slot. Think Air Force or Navy if you want to fly. How many naval aviators do you know that's been shot down during OIF? Very few.

Kevin

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RE: Joining The Army?

Fri Sep 30, 2005 7:22 am

Mr. Ritcher,

Like you I wanted to be an airline pilot. The plan was to get my ratings at an FBO, instruct, then get into the regonial airlines, ect. I started flight lessons in the late 90s at a local FBO becoming Multi-engine commerical rated. Then my flight instructor delivered me pizza and I realized how brutal of a career path that would be for me and decided it wasn't what I wanted. I then joined the Army through the Warrant Officer Flight Training program and have been flying helicopters ever since.

- Most regional airlines only count rotor wing time as 1/2 and then only up to 500 hours, not really competitive if that's all you have going for you.

- If you do go active duty, the GI bill can pay for 60% of your flight training beyond the private rating.

- If you go Guard or Reserve you will recieve money for your education but I'm not familiar with the specifics.

Quoting Stall (Reply 5):
If you want to join the armed forces think carefully.

You might very well end up in a war with people trying very hard to kill you and you doing all you can to kill them.

Yes, this is something you should think about carefully. When I signed up the world was a different place. Times have changed and flying a helicopter in hostile territory is a very real possibility.

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 6):
Don't go to the military so you can train to be an airline pilot. That's already the wrong mindset. Next thing you know you will be up there in the middle of the night on a bombing mission with fighters trying to blow you out of the sky. I guarentee you that todays military pilots aren't there because they want to go to the airlines.

Absolutely. After flying the Apache, I have no desire to trade that in for a B737. Flying in Iraq was like being in the Wild West, and will be the most memorable expirence of my life. I would be bored stiff as an airline pilot, unlike the military you always work with different people, only fly from point A to B, and not to mention the innitial pay cut it would be for me.

Anyway I hope this helps,
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RE: Joining The Army?

Fri Sep 30, 2005 7:37 am

Go for the USAF. You will be in touch with flyers regadless of what role you serve. If you do not get to fly for them, then you will have to finish your obligation, finance the private pilot portion in civilian life, out-of-pocket, and then use the G.I.Bill to go to flight school. That is a government- backed, student loan program.
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RE: Joining The Army?

Fri Sep 30, 2005 8:30 am

Go to a school where you can get loans and use the money for the training. Go to college and a get a degree in something other than an aviation Support yourself with that degree while you are building flight time part time, most of the UND, ERAU , etc. graduates are broke with boat load of loans unless they have rich mom/dad/wife/hubby covering for themselves.

Don't listen to ERAU recruiters about how you can get your first job in less than the conventional routes. Don't believe in Delta Academy when all they gurantee is an interview , not a job.

Go to a local FBO. Make connections. If you can work there as a line guy to get employee rates on the aircraft.

Of course, none of these options are as bad as joining Army and getting killed or being wounded in war. You cannot get a first class medical if you are dead or have one leg left.

Good luck..
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RE: Joining The Army?

Fri Sep 30, 2005 8:44 am

Quoting Pacificjourney (Reply 1):
If you really want to be an airline pilot via the military then join the air force or navy and fly something big with 4 engines.

PacificJourney is absolutely correct. Wanna fly big jets, the Army is not the place. If flying big planes is your sole ambition, and nothing else will suffice, then check out the Air Force.

You'll have to get a college education first, because enlisted folks don't do the flying . . .

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 2):
They will preach to you all day long about how good the travel benefits and you get to go to exotic places and such and such and how you'll be put right into a flight program... It's all bullshit.

No it's not all bullshit. For the record I visted 67 foreign countries in my 24 years. . . . and most of them were during my off duty time. Easier to get to some place like say, Poland because you're living in Germany. Easier to get to some place like say, Hong Kong because you're living in South Korea.

Quoting Stall (Reply 5):
If you want to join the armed forces think carefully.

You might very well end up in a war with people trying very hard to kill you and you doing all you can to kill them

He's got a point. It is the military afterall . . . not a college education benefits program.
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RE: Joining The Army?

Fri Sep 30, 2005 11:00 am

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 2):
and you get to go to exotic places

Like Iraq.

If you want to do a Service, and fly, and convert it into airline flying someday, choose the Air Force or the Navy.
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RE: Joining The Army?

Fri Sep 30, 2005 11:45 am

Quoting United737522 (Thread starter):
Here is the thing, I want to do what it takes to become an airline pilot. I need to know what I should do. Can anyone give me advice? Any is appreciated

First off, don't believe everything you hear, find out for yourself. Recruiters have a quota to meet and may not have your best interests in mind. Many of the people who will post/have posted in this thread simply have no idea of what they are talking about.

If the Army is of interest to you, keep in mind that Army aviators also fly fixed wing. Gulfstreams, Lears, Dash-7s, KingAirs, SD330s, & Swearingen Metros are all in the current inventory and Warrant Officers fly them. Also at least one of the big jet pilots on this board flew Helos in the Army, maybe he'll chime in.

Going to the Navy or Air Force doesn't necessarily guarantee you'll fly fast jets. You could end up in turboprops, helos, drones, or (soon) tilt-rotors. They have additional duties as well, you could end up being a F-16 pilot serving a tour as a combat controller with an Army ground combat unit.

Another thing, aviation isn't all airline flying. Don't be like an inner city kid who sets his sights on being an NBA star without considering the alternatives.

If you like the idea of military flying but being shot at does not appeal to you, you might want to consider the Coast Guard. They fly Gulfstreams, Dassault Falcons, C-130s, Jayhawks, and Dauphins. I believe they require a degree like the Navy and Air Force.

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RE: Joining The Army?

Fri Sep 30, 2005 11:48 am

Don't join the military just to be able to fly fast jets.

Join because you want to serve....join if you feel it's your duty to give back to your country for all that freedom you've been enjoying.

Don't do it if you aren't committed to making the sacrifices necessary.

If you just want to go to school on the government dime then perhaps you should look into financial aid at ERAU.
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RE: Joining The Army?

Fri Sep 30, 2005 11:48 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 13):
Like Iraq.

One of my 67 foerign countries visited  biggrin 

Quoting SATL382G (Reply 14):
If you like the idea of military flying but being shot at does not appeal to you, you might want to consider the Coast Guard.

I wouldn't be so quick to short sheet the USCG here . . . ever seen them work in the Caribbean or Gulf of Mexico on Counterdrug Operations . . . they take plenty of incoming fire . . . .
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RE: Joining The Army?

Fri Sep 30, 2005 11:51 am

Quoting DL021 (Reply 15):
Don't join the military just to be able to fly fast jets.

Join because you want to serve....join if you feel it's your duty to give back to your country for all that freedom you've been enjoying.

With all respect, Ian, he can join for any reason he wants to. If he wants to fly jets, learing to do so in the Navy/Air Force is a smart way to go.

Not everyone gets teary-eyed when The Colors are presented. I'd bet a large number of our troops are in not due to patriotism, but economic necessity, or to try and learn a skill.
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RE: Joining The Army?

Fri Sep 30, 2005 12:05 pm

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 17):
With all respect, Ian, he can join for any reason he wants to. If he wants to fly jets, learing to do so in the Navy/Air Force is a smart way to go.

Going into the military with your intended sole purpose being to fly aircraft is a sure way to make yourself and everyone around you miserable and unhappy. Pilots like this will spit on the people working for them on their aircraft. Air Force pilots will get entire tours in non-flying jobs, nobody wants to have anything to do with a spoiled brat "I just wanna fly" pilot in a job like that.
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RE: Joining The Army?

Fri Sep 30, 2005 12:10 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 16):
I wouldn't be so quick to short sheet the USCG here . . . ever seen them work in the Caribbean or Gulf of Mexico on Counterdrug Operations . . . they take plenty of incoming fire . .

Taking accurate fire in a CG C-130 or Dassault is, ah, unlikely. The CG helos doing intercepts, I believe, are special units with their own ROE and heavy weapons.
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RE: Joining The Army?

Fri Sep 30, 2005 12:15 pm

Quoting SATL382G (Reply 18):
Going into the military with your intended sole purpose being to fly aircraft is a sure way to make yourself and everyone around you miserable and unhappy. Pilots like this will spit on the people working for them on their aircraft. Air Force pilots will get entire tours in non-flying jobs, nobody wants to have anything to do with a spoiled brat "I just wanna fly" pilot in a job like that.

Your opinion. If he wants to join to fly, he still has to follow all rules, regulations and standards of a given service, put in a certain amount of time, and, if called upon, serve in combat.

And it's amazing you can tell that ANYONE who does this will spit on people. I find that remarkable.
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RE: Joining The Army?

Fri Sep 30, 2005 12:18 pm

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 17):
I'd bet a large number of our troops are in not due to patriotism, but economic necessity, or to try and learn a skill.

Damn you sound like Superfly, or PacificJourney! Did you dip into the wrong Koolaid Jug this morning?

Why don't you take a poll (silly) and ask them why they're in uniform.

Quoting SATL382G (Reply 19):
Taking accurate fire in a CG C-130 or Dassault is, ah, unlikely.

I agree, but you don't chase down "cigarette boats" making a run from the Dominican Republic to Puerto Rico with a Herky Pig do you? The CG units doing the intercepts are not always special units, but are obviously in receipt of special training . . . more and more of that training since 9/11 increased their roll.

Quoting SATL382G (Reply 18):
nobody wants to have anything to do with a spoiled brat "I just wanna fly" pilot in a job like that.

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RE: Joining The Army?

Fri Sep 30, 2005 12:21 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 21):
Damn you sound like Superfly, or PacificJourney! Did you dip into the wrong Koolaid Jug this morning?

Why don't you take a poll (silly) and ask them why they're in uniform.

Did I say all of them, ANCFlyer? I don't think I did. I said many do it for ot her reasons than patriotism. I think that's a very fair statement.
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RE: Joining The Army?

Fri Sep 30, 2005 12:23 pm

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 20):
And it's amazing you can tell that ANYONE who does this will spit on people. I find that remarkable.

It comes from having dealt with such people for many years. Something it seems you have no experience with whatsoever yet have no problem commenting on. Of course this is Non-av so I guess I should expect that.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 21):
The CG units doing the intercepts are not always special units

The ones expecting to receive and return fire are......
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RE: Joining The Army?

Fri Sep 30, 2005 12:23 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 12):

No it's not all bullshit. For the record I visted 67 foreign countries in my 24 years. . . . and most of them were during my off duty time. Easier to get to some place like say, Poland because you're living in Germany. Easier to get to some place like say, Hong Kong because you're living in South Korea.

Easier to get to hell when you're already in Purgatory I guess.
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RE: Joining The Army?

Fri Sep 30, 2005 12:44 pm

Quoting SATL382G (Reply 23):
Something it seems you have no experience with whatsoever yet have no problem commenting on.

Actually, spent the last 12 years of my time - immediately after Desert Storm - running around the Caribbean, South America and a few other interesting places working the issue . . . ever been to the DIOC at Punta Salinas? Quite an interesting place. How about Panama before we pulled outta there? How about Curacao after we put the FOB there? Or Manta?
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Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 24):
Easier to get to hell when you're already in Purgatory I guess

I don't know, I always thought Switzerland, Italy, Spain, hell, most all of Europe were really awesome when I traveled through there . . . nothing like I ever imagined hell would feel like  sarcastic 
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RE: Joining The Army?

Fri Sep 30, 2005 12:47 pm

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 17):
If he wants to fly jets, learing to do so in the Navy/Air Force is a smart way to go.

If he wants to fly jets in the USN of USAF, he better consider one of the service academies or an engineering degree from a very good school in combination with ROTC and exceptional grades. A friend of mine has a son who graduated from the Air Force Academy two years ago, and I talked with him about flight school. He said 95%+ of the slots were filled by fellow Academy grads.
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RE: Joining The Army?

Fri Sep 30, 2005 1:14 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 25):
I don't know, I always thought Switzerland, Italy, Spain, hell, most all of Europe were really awesome when I traveled through there . . . nothing like I ever imagined hell would feel like

This is what I hate about military recuiters. They only advertise the good parts of being in the military, the travel "perks" if you will. Sure, you get to go to some very nice places and they'll be very quick to go into the details, but when asked about battle, they are always very vague. "Of course there are the occaisional hostile forces" should better be described as "You could be put in a situation where its you against 100 other people who want nothing more than your head on a spike." Military recruiters are only looking to boost their numbers, they don't care about what they're doing. Also, I've heard stories of big promises from the recruiters that never materialize; the military having a nice habit for putting college grads in the kitchen.
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RE: Joining The Army?

Fri Sep 30, 2005 1:26 pm

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 27):
This is what I hate about military recuiters. They only advertise the good parts of being in the military, the travel "perks" if you will. Sure, you get to go to some very nice places and they'll be very quick to go into the details, but when asked about battle, they are always very vague. "Of course there are the occaisional hostile forces" should better be described as "You could be put in a situation where its you against 100 other people who want nothing more than your head on a spike." Military recruiters are only looking to boost their numbers, they don't care about what they're doing. Also, I've heard stories of big promises from the recruiters that never materialize; the military having a nice habit for putting college grads in the kitchen.

No agrument, mostly.

I took issue with your commentary that places we could go were all bullshit. That's simply not true. You are the anti-thesis of what you're bitching about my friend.

You gotta admit, getting stationed in Curacao or Aruba or Equador or Hawaii or Guam or hell, even Alaska is rather "exotic" . . . .
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RE: Joining The Army?

Fri Sep 30, 2005 1:35 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 28):
I took issue with your commentary that places we could go were all bullshit. That's simply not true. You are the anti-thesis of what you're bitching about my friend.

I believe we're talking around each other here, I was calling bullshit on the tactics the recruiters use in that they use the travel benefits line to entice new recruits. While I'm sure there are plenty of fun places to visit, the Alaskan salmon run (I swear one day I'll get up there with the flyrod), Plus if you're stationed in Germany then the Alps, Amsterdam, Paris, Rome, are all short plane rides away. That's the part they tell you about. What they don't tell you about is that Iraq is also a short plane ride away and if you're at Rammstein you won't have enough space for skis.
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RE: Joining The Army?

Fri Sep 30, 2005 1:43 pm

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 29):
I believe we're talking around each other here

More or less . . . Every sales person uses BS . . . but I did get to travel to some pretty cool places . . . and usually at a discount . . . and I didn't get shot at in all of them . . . a few bar fights in my younger (dumber) day.  expressionless 

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 29):
Alaskan salmon run (I swear one day I'll get up there with the flyrod),

Beer's on me!  biggrin 

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 29):
What they don't tell you about is that Iraq is also a short plane ride away

I guess I rather take that as granted since we're not talking about the Cub Scouts or the Brownies here . . . it is the military . . . but perhaps the kids today aren't as smart as I give them credit for being . . . .
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RE: Joining The Army?

Fri Sep 30, 2005 2:28 pm

Hey all,

Thanks for your replies.

I talked with the recruiter today. Army is not the way to go. I will look into CG and also Air National Guard.

It has come up that I may want to join just for the flight training. This is not true. I love this country and would do anything for it if ever need be.
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RE: Joining The Army?

Fri Sep 30, 2005 3:21 pm

Quoting SATL382G (Reply 18):
Going into the military with your intended sole purpose being to fly aircraft is a sure way to make yourself and everyone around you miserable and unhappy. Pilots like this will spit on the people working for them on their aircraft. Air Force pilots will get entire tours in non-flying jobs, nobody wants to have anything to do with a spoiled brat "I just wanna fly" pilot in a job like that.

To be truthful I don't think I would have joined the Army if I couldn't fly. And I believe this to be the norm among military aviators. However I don't think this is any different than a soldier who joined to be specifically Infantry or any other MOS. You can critisize them for that but regardless they are still serving. While I wouldn't call myself extreamly patriotic when I joined, I and everyone else in the service took an oath to uphold the Constitution and to defend our country. Part of the soldierization process involves instilling a sense of duty and honor which develops into a devotion to our country. It has worked on me and countless others who have joined for reasons other than solely patriotism.
Their are plenty of egotistical pilots out there whose arogance does piss off everyone around them but I think that has little to do with the reasons they joined and hardly a trait only common to pilots. As far as the few aviators who 'spit' on their crew chiefs, I couldn't disagree with them more, crew chiefs are the true force behind military aviation, after all its their aircraft. And any pilot worth his wings will bring his chiefs breakfast for those early morning flights.
As for the exotic places, I've been sweating my balls off ever since i joined. Having gone from Oklahoma, to Alabama, to Texas, to Iraq, and then back to Texas I've been praying that Fort Richardson, Alaska gets an Apache battalion.

Quoting United737522 (Reply 31):
I talked with the recruiter today. Army is not the way to go. I will look into CG and also Air National Guard.

It has come up that I may want to join just for the flight training. This is not true. I love this country and would do anything for it if ever need be.

You diffinately wouldn't be in the minority if you think this way. However its important you do what you think is best for you.
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RE: Joining The Army?

Sat Oct 01, 2005 2:38 pm

Quoting AGM114L (Reply 32):
I've been praying that Fort Richardson, Alaska gets an Apache battalion.

They've got plenty of training area and ranges up here. But it's light grunt and now Stryker Bridge units . . .

How does an Apache do at -40F? Not an unusual temperature for Black Rapids training area near Fairbanks . . .
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RE: Joining The Army?

Sat Oct 01, 2005 3:06 pm

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 17):
Quoting DL021 (Reply 15):
Don't join the military just to be able to fly fast jets.

Join because you want to serve....join if you feel it's your duty to give back to your country for all that freedom you've been enjoying.

With all respect, Ian, he can join for any reason he wants to. If he wants to fly jets, learing to do so in the Navy/Air Force is a smart way to go.

Not everyone gets teary-eyed when The Colors are presented. I'd bet a large number of our troops are in not due to patriotism, but economic necessity, or to try and learn a skill.

Yes, he can join for any reason he wants, but he was asking for advice and I offered my opinion and advice based on experience and judgement built on several years as a serviceman... it was not an order.

My point is that a person who joins needs to enlist with the understanding that they will at some point be asked to do something selfless and dangerous, and that failure on their part will cause the injury or death of their fellow servicemembers. They are going to be subject to the discipline and fortunes of military life, and they should not join simply to learn to fly. It's not just a job. It's a serious business, and dilettantes are not welcome.

Don't have to get teary eyed, just can't be undecided when it comes time to go to work.
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RE: Joining The Army?

Sat Oct 01, 2005 3:09 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 30):
I guess I rather take that as granted since we're not talking about the Cub Scouts or the Brownies here . . . it is the military . . . but perhaps the kids today aren't as smart as I give them credit for being . . . .

 checkmark  You should see some of the people that ran through my high school. A kid told a security guard he was gonna kill her (After she broke up a fight in which he was involved) so she bitch-slapped him, all of a sudden half the school thinks this kid is a god and the security guard needed to be fired/sued/shot. Needless to say, the kid never came back and the Security guard is still around.
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RE: Joining The Army?

Sat Oct 01, 2005 6:34 pm

As has been said before, if you want to fly for the airlines someday, the Army is not the way for you to go.

From what I've heard, the airlines are becoming decreasingly interested in fighter pilots as well, since they are used to being independent and tend to not react well to CRM situations. So try to fly some of the larger transports, which means go for the Air Force.

As with any decision that involves a long-term commitment and potential physical risk to you, take the time to review your options, and the pros and cons of those options, very carefully before you sign up. There's no rule that you have to go through the military to be an airline pilot - the only advantage from my point of view is that your training is all paid for (admittedly, this is a very big advantage). The tactics that recruiters use are generally very misleading, and there's a lot about life in the military that they're not going to tell you about. I'd encourage you to talk to some of the members here who have served in the military - you'll get a much more honest picture from them.

There are a number of good civilian flight schools out there (both university-associated and stand-alone), and if you can come up with a good financial plan, they are a very attractive option.

But if you really want to go for the military, more power to you. Just do your homework so that you don't end up being surprised once you get in, because you could end up being unhappy for a long time.

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RE: Joining The Army?

Mon Oct 03, 2005 6:30 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 33):
They've got plenty of training area and ranges up here. But it's light grunt and now Stryker Bridge units . . .

There's a rumor about adding 64's to a Stryker Brigade's MTOW but again who knows with Stryker guys.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 33):
How does an Apache do at -40F? Not an unusual temperature for Black Rapids training area near Fairbanks . .

Can't say from expierence, but quite well. After all it was designed to bust tanks in Siberia. As for its pilots and crewchiefs that's a different story.
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RE: Joining The Army?

Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:51 am

Quoting AGM114L (Reply 37):
After all it was designed to bust tanks in Siberia.

Dude, it was designed to bust tanks in Europe.

Quoting AGM114L (Reply 37):
There's a rumor about adding 64's to a Stryker Brigade's MTOW but again who knows with Stryker guys.

They're moving toward having independent units that can be attached to the deployed brigades. It's still somewhat up in the air, but you can go to the Army website to check on the latest updates for redeployment of assets.
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