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19 People Die In New York Lake

Mon Oct 03, 2005 7:07 am

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RE: 19 People Die In New York Lake

Mon Oct 03, 2005 7:08 am

Ah, you beat me by seconds.



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RE: 19 People Die In New York Lake

Mon Oct 03, 2005 7:17 am

I'm doing homework right now but have the news on at the same time. It is said that over 40 people were on this tour and that they were mainly elderly. As the boat sank, witnesses stated that they saw passengers "clinging" to the sides of the boat and that no life vests were present. These are all inital reports so don't quote me on all of it.

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RE: 19 People Die In New York Lake

Mon Oct 03, 2005 7:31 am

I took a similar tour of Lake George back in 1973. Hard to imagine that ther'd be any risk at all. Sad.

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RE: 19 People Die In New York Lake

Mon Oct 03, 2005 7:40 am

Worst thing you can say on a boat full of senior citizens: "If you'll all look off to your left..."

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RE: 19 People Die In New York Lake

Mon Oct 03, 2005 7:41 am

No life vests? I see lawsuits coming......
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RE: 19 People Die In New York Lake

Mon Oct 03, 2005 8:02 am

News report say that the ship involved is the one pictured in the link below.

http://www.lakegeorgeshoreline.com/boats_ethanallen.html

We have been to Lake George several times and have seen the ship in question on the lake many times. We have been on other ships there but not from this company.

A sad day for all, and may the survivors get well soon and RIP to those who perished.

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RE: 19 People Die In New York Lake

Mon Oct 03, 2005 8:24 am

21 killed.

CTV.ca News Staff

At least 21 Canadian seniors are believed to be dead following a tour boat accident on a lake in upstate New York.

The boat was carrying a tour group from Canada, said Warren County Sheriff Larry Cleveland in a press conference.
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RE: 19 People Die In New York Lake

Mon Oct 03, 2005 8:39 am

I have been camping on the "islands" of Lake George nearly all my life. Regardless of whatever the Coast guard says there are many times that the conditions on the lake would make the Ethan Allen overloaded.

Lake George is a long narrow glacial lake. It is over two hundred feet deep in places. The lake is basically sited in a North South direction. There are mountains close up to either shore. The lake features Various rock out croppings, small island formations, woods and cold clear water.

Most times the lake can be reasonably tranquil but caution must be taken in storms and wind. Even during tines of seemingly benign weather conditions the lake can become dangerous. The reason why is that the mountains funnel the wind down in to the lake. These severe gusts can seemingly come out of nowhere.

Additionally due to the narrowness of the lake it tends to get a bit choppy (whitecaps in the middle of the lake) on weekends when there is a lot of boat traffic.

There are plenty of pictures in the ranger station on Glen Island of boats coming to an unfortunate end on Lake George.

As for life jackets, there is no law saying an adult has to wear one. They only need to have one for all onboard. I would guess that the boat overturned so quickly that no one had a chance to put one on.

A shame these people died. Doubly so because Lake George is such a beautiful place.
 
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RE: 19 People Die In New York Lake

Mon Oct 03, 2005 8:44 am

Not wearing lifevests while in a boat, but having them laying around or stowed "just in case"... Isn't that like not wearing seat belts while in a car?

"Oh no! The car is skidding toward that truck! Hurry! Put on your seat belt!" Does that make sense?

Wisconsin requires that a lifevest be worn or within arm's reach of each person riding in a boat that size. The law is enforced 100% and the police don't accept any excuses. The fine is a few hundred dollars for EACH person in violation.

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RE: 19 People Die In New York Lake

Mon Oct 03, 2005 11:11 am

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 9):
Wisconsin requires that a lifevest be worn or within arm's reach of each person riding in a boat that size. The law is enforced 100% and the police don't accept any excuses.

Commercial vessels or pleasure craft also?
 
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RE: 19 People Die In New York Lake

Mon Oct 03, 2005 11:16 am

My first wife is buried in Glens Falls (RIP). Have been out on Lake George many times. . . . really one of the most beautiful spots in all of New England. It's a shame this happened . . . sympathies to everyone . . .
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RE: 19 People Die In New York Lake

Mon Oct 03, 2005 12:12 pm

It appears that many of those on board were from the "down river" suburbs of Detroit.

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/5048254/detail.html
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RE: 19 People Die In New York Lake

Mon Oct 03, 2005 12:26 pm

What a darn shame!!! My heart goes out to all that have lost loved ones.

I just watched the 11pm news report on the accident and many of the people who helped said there was no sign of "life vests" either on the people or floating nearby the boat??

I can't believe that the people in charge of this type of tour would be so ignorant and not provide some type life vests for the passengers.

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RE: 19 People Die In New York Lake

Mon Oct 03, 2005 12:42 pm

Quoting SYRGuy (Reply 5):
No life vests? I see lawsuits coming......

Maybe, then again we sue when the tour doesn't give everything in the brochure.

Quoting Vaporlock (Reply 13):
many of the people who helped said there was no sign of "life vests" either on the people or floating nearby the boat??

An 'eye witness report' I saw said thre were pleny of life vests, they were just in the water with no one using them. I have two problem with this. A) Yes they should have been worn, but B) I think it's entirely possible that the life vests could have further complicated the rescue/survival. From what I heard the boat flipped almost immediately. This likely mean you had a bunch of people looking up at the floor comming down on them fast. A life jacket doesn't help when the boat is pushing you under water.
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RE: 19 People Die In New York Lake

Mon Oct 03, 2005 1:00 pm

Very sad indeed. A friend of mine drowned there about a year and a half ago after his canoe capsized, and it's always bad to hear about this kind of stuff. RIP to all those who died.  Sad

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RE: 19 People Die In New York Lake

Mon Oct 03, 2005 1:55 pm

Quoting Thumper3181 (Reply 8):
Lake George is a long narrow glacial lake.

I've been there many times, but what glacier feeds it? I didn't think there were any glaciers in North America east of the Rockies (and south of the Arctic).

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 11):
Have been out on Lake George many times. . . . really one of the most beautiful spots in all of New England.

Didn't think upstate New York was considered New England.

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RE: 19 People Die In New York Lake

Mon Oct 03, 2005 2:01 pm

Quoting Arrow (Reply 16):
Quoting Thumper3181 (Reply 8):
Lake George is a long narrow glacial lake.

I've been there many times, but what glacier feeds it? I didn't think there were any glaciers in North America east of the Rockies (and south of the Arctic).

I think Arrow means that the lake was scooped out by a glacier, so it's a "glacial lake" -- *not* glacier-fed. You are correct in that there are no glaciers in the area.

I've been to Lake George. It's been the site of many boat accidents, but not any more than would be expected for a lake of its size with the characteristics listed above. Very sad indeed.  Sad
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RE: 19 People Die In New York Lake

Mon Oct 03, 2005 2:15 pm

Quoting Arrow (Reply 16):
Didn't think upstate New York was considered New England.

East of the Hudson and the lakes can be.

Condolences for those who lost their lives today, and to you ANC, I did not know about your wife.  Sad It is a beautiful spot, indeed.
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RE: 19 People Die In New York Lake

Mon Oct 03, 2005 2:53 pm

Quoting Arrow (Reply 16):
I've been there many times, but what glacier feeds it?

None. Either Lake Champlian feeds it or it is the other way around I forget. The lake was originally formed by a glacier. In fact if you go out to the islands you can see the cuts on the boulders created when the glacier scooped out the earth.

I once read that Long Island was formed from the sediment of that glacier. Not sure how accurate that is but sounds plausible.
 
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RE: 19 People Die In New York Lake

Mon Oct 03, 2005 11:31 pm

Quoting Redngold (Reply 17):
I've been there many times, but what glacier feeds it? I didn't think there were any glaciers in North America east of the Rockies (and south of the Arctic).

It's a glaciar lake in the sense that the geological formation where it sits was formed by the thick ice sheets that covered the region 10,000 years ago. The same can be said of most of Canada's and Scandiavia's big northern lakes.
 
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RE: 19 People Die In New York Lake

Mon Oct 03, 2005 11:38 pm

Quoting AM744 (Reply 20):
It's a glaciar lake in the sense that the geological formation where it sits was formed by the thick ice sheets that covered the region 10,000 years ago. The same can be said of most of Canada's and Scandiavia's big northern lakes.

As a matter of fact, all of the Great Lakes (Michigan, Huron, Erie, Ontario, Superior), are said to be glacier lakes.
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RE: 19 People Die In New York Lake

Tue Oct 04, 2005 12:06 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 18):
Quoting Arrow (Reply 16):
Didn't think upstate New York was considered New England.

East of the Hudson and the lakes can be.

Nope, only 6 states (Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, & Rhode Island) are considered part of the New England region. As a New England native (Massachusetts), one of the first geography lessons I learned in school (back in the early '70s) are the 6 states that make up New England. Any part of New York state, would not be considered part of New England.

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 14):
An 'eye witness report' I saw said thre were plenty of life vests, they were just in the water with no one using them.
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From what I heard the boat flipped almost immediately.

I heard a similar report on the morning news.
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RE: 19 People Die In New York Lake

Tue Oct 04, 2005 1:19 am

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 4):
Worst thing you can say on a boat full of senior citizens: "If you'll all look off to your left..."

ROFL!

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RE: 19 People Die In New York Lake

Tue Oct 04, 2005 2:51 am

Quoting Thumper3181 (Reply 19):
I once read that Long Island was formed from the sediment of that glacier. Not sure how accurate that is but sounds plausible.

Very accurate, Long Island is in fact a "terminal moraine" from the last glacier, i.e. the glacier just stopped right wher LI is and all the crud and outwash from when it melted made Long Island.
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RE: 19 People Die In New York Lake

Tue Oct 04, 2005 5:03 am

I wonder if it was a glass bottom boat. Imagine the sight of lifevests floating a few feet above you. I think it would be like window shopping in the red light district of Amsterdam... So close and yet so far.

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RE: 19 People Die In New York Lake

Tue Oct 04, 2005 5:08 am

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RE: 19 People Die In New York Lake

Tue Oct 04, 2005 5:10 am

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RE: 19 People Die In New York Lake

Tue Oct 04, 2005 6:58 am

Ok - so its glacial in the sense that it was carved out by a glacier. I guess most Canadian and northern US lakes fit that definition. But to me a glacial lake is something like Lake Louise -- directly fed by a melting glacier. That's what gives it that spectacular turquoise colour -- the suspended glacial silt.
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